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2012-10-23 09:33:26 AM
On the one hand, they suck and shouldn't be expecting a whole lot of repeat customers.

On the other hand, who f*cking cares if they didn't provide last season's prices with the new season's prices in the email? You look at the prices for the stuff and you decide whether you want to buy them that year. If you had season tickets the previous year, then you should already know how much that cost. If you didn't have season tickets the previous year, what does it matter what people paid last year?

It's the Mariners and it's baseball - you can get tickets for the cheap seats and then move up. And if the ushers won't let you move up, then you can feel free to never go back to games. It's not like you're missing anything.
 
2012-10-23 10:11:10 AM

IAmRight: On the one hand, they suck and shouldn't be expecting a whole lot of repeat customers.

On the other hand, who f*cking cares if they didn't provide last season's prices with the new season's prices in the email? You look at the prices for the stuff and you decide whether you want to buy them that year. If you had season tickets the previous year, then you should already know how much that cost. If you didn't have season tickets the previous year, what does it matter what people paid last year?

It's the Mariners and it's baseball - you can get tickets for the cheap seats and then move up. And if the ushers won't let you move up, then you can feel free to never go back to games. It's not like you're missing anything.


"Moving up" as you so charmingly call it will get you kicked out of Safeco or any local stadium. No local culture of it, not since the Kingdome anyway. Most people consider it rude or will report drunks trying to sit in empty seats that belong to people they know too.

The culture's about a 180 from how you remember, apparently, east coast stadiums from 20 yrs ago when you could buy a cheap seat then find yourself behind home plate by the 6th or 7th inning.

That absolutely won't work here, they check tickets throughout the games, also the ushers have a pretty good idea by the 3rd or 5th week who the regular seatholders are..
 
2012-10-23 10:25:53 AM

Generation_D: "Moving up" as you so charmingly call it will get you kicked out of Safeco or any local stadium. No local culture of it, not since the Kingdome anyway. Most people consider it rude or will report drunks trying to sit in empty seats that belong to people they know too.


Yeah, I don't really go to professional games anymore. Dipsh*ts like that are why (well, then moving to the middle of NY where the nearest pro teams are in Buffalo, three hours away). Many minor league sports I've been to, they encourage you to move down, because that way you actually seem to fill up at least PART of the stadium and make it look like people want to be there.

/only ever went to games in the Kingdome
//went to one Seahawks game at CenturyLink, but that was preseason. Did move from the furthest row in the top deck to the second row from the front by the end of the game...but again, preseason (and seats further away are better in football anyway)
///only went because I got free tickets and was going to be in Seattle anyway for the college football game the next day
 
2012-10-23 11:22:16 AM
We make it to one Safeco game a year since it opened. Was at Felix Hernandez' first home game in 2005 against the Royals. Watched from behind home plate as he struck out 11 in 8 innings.
 
2012-10-23 12:22:58 PM

Generation_D: We make it to one Safeco game a year since it opened. Was at Felix Hernandez' first home game in 2005 against the Royals. Watched from behind home plate as he struck out 11 in 8 innings.


I went to two games in the Kingdome. They won 19-2 and 13-2 over the Rangers and I got to see Randy Johnson pitch, as well as eight different Mariners hit HRs. AND everyone in the family got a free duffel bag and umbrella (different giveaway each night) I don't think I could ever top that.
 
2012-10-23 01:17:53 PM
Nice job howard and chuck. last place three years in a row. Declining attendance nine out of ten. glad we have you guys to teach the fans the tried and true 'i'll give you something to complain about' style of management.

/looking forward to another year of turning down at least a dozen requests to use tickets for free
 
2012-10-23 01:24:45 PM
I really am getting sick and tired of how this team is run. It'd be really awesome if we had an owner that gave a flying crap about either baseball or Seattle...or knew a damned thing about either one.
 
2012-10-23 01:29:19 PM

JohnBigBootay: Nice job howard and chuck. last place three years in a row. Declining attendance nine out of ten. glad we have you guys to teach the fans the tried and true 'i'll give you something to complain about' style of management.

/looking forward to another year of turning down at least a dozen requests to use tickets for free


You shouldn't have to worry about being in last place 4 years in a row. My Astros will take care of that next season. It's going to be a rough few years.
 
2012-10-23 01:57:28 PM

seumasokelly: I really am getting sick and tired of how this team is run. It'd be really awesome if we had an owner that gave a flying crap about either baseball or Seattle...or knew a damned thing about either one.


For the life of me I cannot understand how the hell chuck armstrong and howard lincoln have such a stranglehold on their jobs. A decade plus of utter futility and I've yet to hear even a rumor of those guys being on the hot seat. one would have thought that the utter incompetence of the bavasi era would have at least gotten a rumor of a replacement at the top. I guess these guys just have a job for life. Must be a nice feeling knowing you can suck for a solid decade with no fear of losing your job. It was one thing when they were drawing fans - at least then you could claim it was cubs style 'who cares if the park is full' success. But now they suck AND attendance is in an ever-increasing spiral down. I'm sure raising ticket prices will help with that.
 
2012-10-23 02:03:02 PM

JohnBigBootay: seumasokelly: I really am getting sick and tired of how this team is run. It'd be really awesome if we had an owner that gave a flying crap about either baseball or Seattle...or knew a damned thing about either one.

For the life of me I cannot understand how the hell chuck armstrong and howard lincoln have such a stranglehold on their jobs. A decade plus of utter futility and I've yet to hear even a rumor of those guys being on the hot seat. one would have thought that the utter incompetence of the bavasi era would have at least gotten a rumor of a replacement at the top. I guess these guys just have a job for life. Must be a nice feeling knowing you can suck for a solid decade with no fear of losing your job. It was one thing when they were drawing fans - at least then you could claim it was cubs style 'who cares if the park is full' success. But now they suck AND attendance is in an ever-increasing spiral down. I'm sure raising ticket prices will help with that.


It's because the ownership doesn give a flying f*ck about baseball, just the bottom line. As long as they make money on tickets, merch, food sales, etc. they don't care about the product on the field or whether anyone in the front office knows anything about baseball. That's how we end up with a team that can't f*cking hit a baseball and one star player. They'll keep Hernandez around as long as they can since he's the only thing selling tickets and merch, but they won't spend any money to get good players around him. As soon as it's time for Seager or Ackley to negotiate (provided they play well from here out) they'll be gone as long as Felix is here - traded for more prospects in hopes that a winning season will fall into the team's lap before those guys get expensive too.
 
2012-10-23 02:21:22 PM

seumasokelly: It's because the ownership doesn give a flying f*ck about baseball, just the bottom line


That's where it gets strange to me. Because attendance has been going down for many years - this club once cracked three million a year, now they aren't scaring two million and having been to a few games it's obviously inflated. I suppose the explanation is their net profit must have remained relatively static - as attendance goes down, so does payroll. Great - now appearing at safeco field, your kansas city royals.
 
2012-10-23 02:22:31 PM
~facepalm~

Alright, that's it. I am SICK of supporting this team. The ownership and its staff have pretty much shown that they don't give a shiat for fans. Let me see if I understand... Your team sucks and has for years now (one fluke season a couple of years ago being an exception). Your farm system blew until the last few years, and even that's debatable until Ackley, Seager, et al fully develop (or don't). The team was so inept offensively that one of the great pitchers in franchise history barely got to .500 last year. Your personnel moves either blow up spectacularly (Figgins, Sexson), result in moronic trades (Erik Bedard, anyone?) or are schizophrenic (youth movement! No! Free agency! No!). Finally, you put a team on the field last season that was boring, couldn't hit its way out of a wet paper sack and was pretty much biatch slapped by even the mediocre teams. Attendance plummets.

Why? BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T WANT TO PAY TO SEE CONSISTENT LOSING FOR YEARS ON END!

Brilliant solution? Jack up ticket prices in spite of plummeting attendance. So, screw it. I have been a loyal fan since the team started, but NO MORE. If anything, they should have dropped prices, but they just want to keep making more money off of an inferior product. Yeah, I know it's a business, but why should we bankroll this crap? If it really was a business, they would have failed before now. So, screw it. Personally, I will say that the Mariners will never see a dime of mine until they actually figure their crap out and stop gouging fans!
 
2012-10-23 02:47:55 PM

JohnBigBootay: seumasokelly: I really am getting sick and tired of how this team is run. It'd be really awesome if we had an owner that gave a flying crap about either baseball or Seattle...or knew a damned thing about either one.

For the life of me I cannot understand how the hell chuck armstrong and howard lincoln have such a stranglehold on their jobs.


It's because their boss is a japanese dude who has never been to Seattle, never seen a baseball game, and only owns the team because he also owns another Seattle icon, Nintendo.

They can tell this guy whatever they want and not only does he not know if it's bullshiat, he doesn't care if it's bullshiat.

Between this and their opposition to the new arena, I would be shocked if the Mariners didn't end up setting some kind of record for lack of attendance this year.
 
2012-10-23 02:51:45 PM

Rent Party: Between this and their opposition to the new arena, I would be shocked if the Mariners didn't end up setting some kind of record for lack of attendance this year.


They'll just invite griffey jr out to come take a dump on second base. that'll get 40k in the seats on a week night.
 
2012-10-23 02:52:48 PM

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: Between this and their opposition to the new arena, I would be shocked if the Mariners didn't end up setting some kind of record for lack of attendance this year.

They'll just invite griffey jr out to come take a dump on second base. that'll get 40k in the seats on a week night.


Griffey probably still hits better than Smoak.
 
2012-10-23 03:00:31 PM

Rent Party: JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: Between this and their opposition to the new arena, I would be shocked if the Mariners didn't end up setting some kind of record for lack of attendance this year.

They'll just invite griffey jr out to come take a dump on second base. that'll get 40k in the seats on a week night.

Griffey probably still hits better than Smoak.


He'd at least hit a consistent .220 instead of trying to keep his avg afloat by hitting .450 for a 4-game stretch between 2 weeks of 1 for 42 hitting.
 
2012-10-23 03:14:23 PM
Rent Party:

Between this and their opposition to the new arena, I would be shocked if the Mariners didn't end up setting some kind of record for lack of attendance this year.

Year Attendance

2000 - 2,262,557

2001 - 2,346,071

2002 - 2,207,891

2003 - 2,191,745

2004 - 2,340,422

2005 - 2,360,452

2006 - 2,458,741

2007 - 2,527,968

2008 - 2,464,986

2009 - 2,305,178

2010 - 2,289,427

2011 - 2,333,812
 
2012-10-23 03:21:45 PM

farbekrieg: Rent Party:

Between this and their opposition to the new arena, I would be shocked if the Mariners didn't end up setting some kind of record for lack of attendance this year.

Year Attendance

2000 - 2,262,557

2001 - 2,346,071

2002 - 2,207,891

2003 - 2,191,745

2004 - 2,340,422

2005 - 2,360,452

2006 - 2,458,741

2007 - 2,527,968

2008 - 2,464,986

2009 - 2,305,178

2010 - 2,289,427

2011 - 2,333,812


Not sure where you got those numbers but they don't look like they match baseball reference.

http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/SEA/attend.shtml

The M's haven't cracked 2 mil for a while now.
 
2012-10-23 03:28:20 PM
JohnBigBootay:The M's haven't cracked 2 mil for a while now.

ok your source is more credible than mine, but its the first one that showed up

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/mariatte.shtml

and damn i miss that auto set to preview before posting
 
2012-10-23 03:39:40 PM
well fark me with this, preview showed fine, posting claims too many end of bolds and removing the extras... thanks a lot :D.

That said did you see how many fans the rockies drew this year?

2.6m which considering their season is insane, or the cubs 2.9m

Which is why the braves fans are maligned getting 2.4m

Houston drew only 1.6m this year, but last year with basically the same record had 2m


what the hell is up with baseball fans?
 
2012-10-23 03:42:21 PM

farbekrieg: JohnBigBootay:The M's haven't cracked 2 mil for a while now.

ok your source is more credible than mine, but its the first one that showed up

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/mariatte.shtml

and damn i miss that auto set to preview before posting


Yeah, I just looked at the first thing I thought of. Interesting to note that the note at baseball ref says that's 'paid' attendance. I can assure you based on the tickets I'm offered there are a shiat load of no shows for weekday M's games. particularly late in the season after they have been firmly eliminated, which is, unfortunately, an annual event. Also interesting, 5 years in a row of declining payroll. They hit 78 mil last year and now Ichiro is gone. Perhaps the KC reference was apt. Seattle had about the same attendance this year and looks to be tracking quite nicely to match their payroll next year. Welcome to Kansas City baseball fans!
 
2012-10-23 03:56:19 PM
its as bad as all, considering the royals payroll this year was 61m vs the Ms 78m vs say the braves 86m. Let alone last years total for the royals of 35.7m
 
2012-10-23 03:56:41 PM
As a diehard mariners fan (I don't know why either) I welcome this thread bashing that garbage team and their garbage owners.

This team is doomed and might be one of those teams that goes 100 years between championships. Oh wait you actually have to win one before that can be said.

This is a team that 2 out of the last 3 years has been one of the worst hitting teams of all time.

I know people think that because the Astros will be joining our division it will equal more wins for Seattle but I'm not so sure about that. With the luck this team has the Astros will sweep the mariners over the season.

The fans paid for safeco field then the mariners instantly started coasting and excluding the 2001 season (which started in the kingdome) everything has gone downhill ever since. They got their house and have been squeezing the fans dry ever since.

Every mariner fan knows the team won't make any big moves in the offseason and the biggest move which they will hype up big time is they are moving the walls in a few feet.
 
2012-10-23 03:57:07 PM

JohnBigBootay: farbekrieg: JohnBigBootay:The M's haven't cracked 2 mil for a while now.

ok your source is more credible than mine, but its the first one that showed up

http://www.baseball-almanac.com/teams/mariatte.shtml

and damn i miss that auto set to preview before posting

Yeah, I just looked at the first thing I thought of. Interesting to note that the note at baseball ref says that's 'paid' attendance. I can assure you based on the tickets I'm offered there are a shiat load of no shows for weekday M's games. particularly late in the season after they have been firmly eliminated, which is, unfortunately, an annual event. Also interesting, 5 years in a row of declining payroll. They hit 78 mil last year and now Ichiro is gone. Perhaps the KC reference was apt. Seattle had about the same attendance this year and looks to be tracking quite nicely to match their payroll next year. Welcome to Kansas City baseball fans!


I think they are still on the hook for something like 80% of RallyKiller-san's salary, though.

Perhaps the Yanks will send A-Rod back in return.
 
2012-10-23 03:58:47 PM

Farkenhostile: As a diehard mariners fan (I don't know why either) I welcome this thread bashing that garbage team and their garbage owners.

This team is doomed and might be one of those teams that goes 100 years between championships. Oh wait you actually have to win one before that can be said.

This is a team that 2 out of the last 3 years has been one of the worst hitting teams of all time.

I know people think that because the Astros will be joining our division it will equal more wins for Seattle but I'm not so sure about that. With the luck this team has the Astros will sweep the mariners over the season.

The fans paid for safeco field then the mariners instantly started coasting and excluding the 2001 season (which started in the kingdome) everything has gone downhill ever since. They got their house and have been squeezing the fans dry ever since.

Every mariner fan knows the team won't make any big moves in the offseason and the biggest move which they will hype up big time is they are moving the walls in a few feet.



No wai man! They've got a billion kids in Tacoma that are gonna rawk the house or something!!!!

Come see a bunch of rookies! YAAYAYAAA!

/ Feh.
// Please God, send me the NHL.
 
2012-10-23 04:20:35 PM

Rent Party: Come see a bunch of rookies! YAAYAYAAA!


I'd actually be fine with rookies vs the old seattle tried and true 'just have a couple recognizeable fan favorites in the lineup and the suckers will show even if those guys stink now' method. Rookies, occasionally at least, get better. Aging superstars rarely do. What scares me with the fence moving horseshiat is they'll break the bank on some B- slugger who once upon a time hit 30 home runs. Instead of building a real team.
 
2012-10-23 04:29:57 PM

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: Come see a bunch of rookies! YAAYAYAAA!

I'd actually be fine with rookies vs the old seattle tried and true 'just have a couple recognizeable fan favorites in the lineup and the suckers will show even if those guys stink now' method. Rookies, occasionally at least, get better. Aging superstars rarely do. What scares me with the fence moving horseshiat is they'll break the bank on some B- slugger who once upon a time hit 30 home runs. Instead of building a real team.


Indeed. Seems guys that could actually make contact with the ball did pretty well in that field not too long (holy shiat, a decade!) ago.

Frankly, I blame Wedge. Some parks you play small ball in. Some parks you swing for the fences. He clearly doesn't know the difference.
 
2012-10-23 04:33:22 PM

DoblerMeyer: JohnBigBootay: Nice job howard and chuck. last place three years in a row. Declining attendance nine out of ten. glad we have you guys to teach the fans the tried and true 'i'll give you something to complain about' style of management.

/looking forward to another year of turning down at least a dozen requests to use tickets for free

You shouldn't have to worry about being in last place 4 years in a row. My Astros will take care of that next season. It's going to be a rough few years.


man, cleaning that cellar out just to make it comfortable, it seems


/also a disAstros fan
 
2012-10-23 04:43:41 PM

JohnBigBootay: What scares me with the fence moving horseshiat is they'll break the bank on some B- slugger who once upon a time hit 30 home runs. Instead of building a real team.


I was going to make a joke about you guys being reunited with A-Rod, but the Yankees are probably still kind of mad about that whole Pineda thing. So I'll just wait for the Mariners to hand a $50 mil/4 year contract to Carlos Lee.
 
2012-10-23 04:56:47 PM
I think the fans would burn down safeco field if the mariners traded for arod now, so it wouldn't surprise me to see the mariners take him off the yankees hands while somehow making it so the mariners eat the contract and the Yankees owe nothing and get a top 5 prospect.

That's how we roll in Seattle.
 
2012-10-23 05:06:28 PM

Rent Party: Indeed. Seems guys that could actually make contact with the ball did pretty well in that field not too long (holy shiat, a decade!) ago.


Cagey B: I was going to make a joke about you guys being reunited with A-Rod, but the Yankees are probably still kind of mad about that whole Pineda thing. So I'll just wait for the Mariners to hand a $50 mil/4 year contract to Carlos Lee.


I really don't get the fence thing. Am I crazy or do both teams not experience the exact same spatial dimensions during the game? So the M's will score a few more runs next year - presumably. Will they not in turn give up more owing to this move?
 
2012-10-23 05:16:01 PM
Fister for Furbush was a retarded trade by a retarded general manager.

Doug Fister is killing it in Detroit.
 
2012-10-23 05:16:33 PM

JohnBigBootay: Rent Party: Indeed. Seems guys that could actually make contact with the ball did pretty well in that field not too long (holy shiat, a decade!) ago.

Cagey B: I was going to make a joke about you guys being reunited with A-Rod, but the Yankees are probably still kind of mad about that whole Pineda thing. So I'll just wait for the Mariners to hand a $50 mil/4 year contract to Carlos Lee.

I really don't get the fence thing. Am I crazy or do both teams not experience the exact same spatial dimensions during the game? So the M's will score a few more runs next year - presumably. Will they not in turn give up more owing to this move?


Conventional wisdom would say yes. The real issue is the quality of the entertainment product. Casual fans get sick of going to & watching 2-1 and 1-0 games. And the Mariners are nothing without casual fans.
 
2012-10-23 05:18:52 PM

mc_madness: Fister for Furbush was a retarded trade by a retarded general manager.

Doug Fister is killing it in Detroit.


Exactly. Trade anyone with value before they get expensive.
 
2012-10-23 06:55:57 PM
OOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain
 
2012-10-23 07:08:52 PM

mikaloyd: OOOOOOklahoma where the wind comes sweeping down the plain


Showtunes ain't gonna get you a baseball team.
 
2012-10-23 08:23:37 PM
I've always thought that if a team is losing by a substantial amount, at the end of the 7th, concessions should be discounted.
 
2012-10-23 09:30:28 PM
Alot of derp in this thread,
 
2012-10-23 10:55:06 PM
Sup goose, msfann here. Long time no see
 
2012-10-24 08:12:08 AM
The article didn't say... how much are the cheap seats for a Mariners game?
 
2012-10-24 08:59:56 AM
I think the M's have some good talent in the system and have drafted well over the past few years. Give them some time.
 
2012-10-24 01:00:28 PM

lunchinlewis: I think the M's have some good talent in the system and have drafted well over the past few years. Give them some time.


Fark that. They've been in the cellar for almost a solid decade and they've been singing the "We're loaded in AAA" song the entire time.

They aren't going to get any better. They're just going to keep fielding AAA players on a major league field.
 
2012-10-24 01:44:53 PM

Rent Party: lunchinlewis: I think the M's have some good talent in the system and have drafted well over the past few years. Give them some time.

Fark that. They've been in the cellar for almost a solid decade and they've been singing the "We're loaded in AAA" song the entire time.

They aren't going to get any better. They're just going to keep fielding AAA players on a major league field.


That worked out pretty well for Oakland this year.
 
2012-10-24 03:01:03 PM
If I want to see a AAA team, I'll head down to Tacoma.

Does the 358 head down to Tacoma?
 
2012-10-24 03:37:50 PM

meanmutton: That worked out pretty well for Oakland this year.


Oakland isn't working off a five year hangover from the aftermath of incompetent management hiring a dude because his dad used to know a lot about baseball.
 
2012-10-24 03:40:47 PM

JohnBigBootay: meanmutton: That worked out pretty well for Oakland this year.

Oakland isn't working off a five year hangover from the aftermath of incompetent management hiring a dude because his dad used to know a lot about baseball.


Heh, from his wiki...

Bavasi was fired on June 16, 2008. Many consider Bavasi to be one of the worst general managers in baseball history.
 
2012-10-24 10:29:03 PM
So, a franchise that can't do shiat, and won't do shiat, is moving in the fences and raising ticket prices?

What. The. Fark.

You want to put butts in seats? Get rid of the clowns in the front office. Get rid of the dancing groundskeepers. Get rid of the cute hydros on the jumbotron. Stop treating your fans like farking children. They want to see a competitive team, not the shiat I just listed. There's a reason it looks like Fenway when Boston comes to town.

BECAUSE YOU HAVE NO GODDAMN FANS.

And stop opposing the new Sonics arena, douchebags. Stop being greedy whores and start being good stewards to your community. It'll take years if not decades, but people will come back.

/It would help if your owner had ever seen a farking game played by the team he owns, or if he even lived on the same continent
 
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