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(Slate)   Does the U.S. Military still use bayonets? Of course, bayonets are useful for keeping prisoners under control and for "poking an enemy to see whether he is dead"   (slate.com) divider line 261
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2012-10-23 09:13:38 AM
At Thanksgiving dinner my dad still tells us all to "fix bayonets." So yeah they're good for something.
 
2012-10-23 09:14:01 AM
Well that settles it. It's now clear that Obama lost the debate and will lose the election.
Let's wrap this up folks, we're finished here.
 
2012-10-23 09:16:10 AM
Is it against the Geneva Convention to fatally "poke" a bunch of unarmed combatants playing dead?
 
2012-10-23 09:16:20 AM
"Fewer" is still more than "none".
 
2012-10-23 09:29:08 AM
Is this really a talking point? That's just sad. So long America, we hardly knew ya.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 09:31:49 AM

notmtwain: Is it against the Geneva Convention to fatally "poke" a bunch of unarmed combatants playing dead?


Fatally, yes, although if are playing dead it would be kind of difficult to claim that you intended to kill them.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 09:34:08 AM

sammyk: Is this really a talking point? That's just sad. So long America, we hardly knew ya.


It seems to be becoming one. It's kind of sad, because the point what we have a smaller military because we rely on a fewer number of more effective high tech weapons instead of mass quantities of simple ones is a good point.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:22 AM
I see the "liberal media" is running with this "BONGFARTO SEZ THERES NO BAY-O-NETS ANYMORE" thing.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:41 AM
A) the point he was making is that what constituted appropriate military technology 100 years ago often doesn't constitute appropriate military technology today
B) he said "fewer" bayonets, not "no bayonets." so, yes, the marines still train with them. but he was right both semantically and in the broader sense of his point.
C) arguing this only highlights what an "oh, snap" moment it was and keeps it in the news cycle. a smart person would move on. but then nobody ever accused republicans of being smart.
 
2012-10-23 09:51:42 AM
A friend of mine was a British soldier in the Falklands war. The fog was so thick during one battle that they decided on a bayonet charge.
He still has PTSD/screaming nightmares about it to this very day.
 
2012-10-23 10:12:52 AM
Please double down on this, Cons.

Also, can we turn one of these threads into a military pony thread?? please.

thinklikeahorse.org
 
2012-10-23 10:32:47 AM

what_now: Also, can we turn one of these threads into a military pony thread??


graphics8.nytimes.com

"Never was so much owed by so many to such an absolutely spanking horse ballerina. Godspeed through President Fart Teleprompter's eventing, Rafalca. May cross-canter carry you through your renvers true"
 
2012-10-23 10:55:51 AM
How about dressage horses with frickin' bayonets attached to their heads?
 
2012-10-23 11:12:24 AM

sammyk: Is this really a talking point? That's just sad. So long America, we hardly knew ya.


From outside the echo chamber, the trivial crap that attracts the Eye of Sauron that passes for civics and political discourse in the States is largely incomprehensible.
 
2012-10-23 11:12:32 AM

James!: "Fewer" is still more than "none".


This.

/Exactly, this.
 
2012-10-23 11:13:29 AM

sigdiamond2000: I see the "liberal media" is running with this "BONGFARTO SEZ THERES NO BAY-O-NETS ANYMORE" thing.


Wait, do you honestly think that Slate doesn't count as "liberal media"?
 
2012-10-23 11:14:14 AM
I've never gotten a bayonet outside of basic training, even when I deployed to Kosovo, nor did anyone else in my scout troop. It's pretty safe to say that while some military personnel might get them mostly out of custom, realistically there is no way there are that many bayonets out there compared to WWI.
 
2012-10-23 11:14:37 AM
I have one of these and they're pretty much my main line of defense in a zombie invasion:

farm3.staticflickr.com
 
2012-10-23 11:16:12 AM

oldfarthenry: A friend of mine was a British soldier in the Falklands war. The fog was so thick during one battle that they decided on a bayonet charge.
He still has PTSD/screaming nightmares about it to this very day.


It's a persuasive argument for keeping them, really. Despite the nasty aspect of being the guy shaking quivering intestines off his gun barrel, it's better than being the guy on the ground who formerly possessed said sausage casings.


Bayonet charges were devised to indicate you should really give up or face a gutting. They are in the same class as using a trebuchet to fling corpses over walls.
 
2012-10-23 11:17:00 AM
I"ve been out for a while, but I was in the boot part of the Army and we had messes 'o bayonets. We DID do bayonet drills from time to time, but we ended up using them mostly as utility knives. For which they are very well suited.
 
2012-10-23 11:17:07 AM
First paragraph

Does the U.S. military still use bayonets much?
Yes.


end of the article....
While the use of the bayonet is rare, the use of horses is even rarer. The military still maintains the historic 1st Cavalry Division out of Ft. Hood, Texas, and the division's horse detachment still sometimes mounts up for the occasional charge-but these charges tend to take place only as part of parades, historical ceremonies, and fairs.

WTF?!?


All Marines learn to use bayonets during their basic martial arts training. Some of this training takes place on the Bayonet Assault Course, upon which Marines are unleashed to bayonet everything in sight. Learning proficiency in basic bayoneting techniques is part of qualifying for a tan belt, which is required of every recruit.

It was plastic you dolt! 88-94' Never saw one again.
 
2012-10-23 11:17:33 AM

Dynascape: I have one of these and they're pretty much my main line of defense in a zombie invasion:

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 300x200]


You're not going to survive too long then.
 
2012-10-23 11:17:53 AM
I remember hearing that an Argentinian unit that had held out for days against British attacks (in the Falklands), until the British Commander had finally had enough and contacted them with the ultimatum ~ "You either surrender now or I will order the Battalion to fix bayonets and charge the hill" (knowing the numbers were very much against them, the hold outs did the sensible thing.)
 
2012-10-23 11:18:07 AM
So.... Bayonets is a talking point.

Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder and that Iran doesn't have any ocean access isn't.

But remember, the liberal media is out to get Republicans.
 
2012-10-23 11:18:52 AM
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2012-10-23 11:19:42 AM

PsyLord: Dynascape: I have one of these and they're pretty much my main line of defense in a zombie invasion:

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 300x200]

You're not going to survive too long then.


Its a good main weapon.

Plus that spike bayonet is a lot more wicked than pictures make you believe. Its also insanely sharp.

Ah, I want to go home and smell it. Cosmoline is one of my favorite smells ever.
 
2012-10-23 11:19:51 AM
I wish he would have said, "If we needed to sink the Bismarck today, we'd send a Tomahawk missile to do the job - we wouldn't need a flotilla of battleships, destroyers and scout planes for the job."

But that might have ticked off the Germans a bit.
 
2012-10-23 11:20:05 AM
farm9.staticflickr.com

"Cold hard steel"
"They don't like it up 'em"
"Don't Panic!"
"Fuzzy Wuzzies"
etc etc
 
2012-10-23 11:20:07 AM

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Looks just like the ones from 1916
 
2012-10-23 11:21:10 AM

FlashHarry: A) the point he was making is that what constituted appropriate military technology 100 years ago often doesn't constitute appropriate military technology today
B) he said "fewer" bayonets, not "no bayonets." so, yes, the marines still train with them. but he was right both semantically and in the broader sense of his point.
C) arguing this only highlights what an "oh, snap" moment it was and keeps it in the news cycle. a smart person would move on. but then nobody ever accused republicans of being smart.


Yeah, I don't know why the GOP is keeping this alive, but they sure are trying their best. Seems counterproductive to me.

But then again, a significant part of the country thinks the GOP is good for them, so....
 
2012-10-23 11:21:16 AM

Satanic_Hamster: Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder


They do, his name is Steve, and he's always drinking milk straight from the container. What a dick. But at least he's on time with the rent and chips in for the movie channels, even though he's never home.
 
2012-10-23 11:21:25 AM

Satanic_Hamster: So.... Bayonets is a talking point.

Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder and that Iran doesn't have any ocean access isn't.

But remember, the liberal media is out to get Republicans.


We, U.S. Americans, should have more maps. Like in the Iraqs, and such as...

sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net
 
2012-10-23 11:21:36 AM
America once more rallies the mind-numbing power of the derp brigade.
 
2012-10-23 11:21:38 AM
yep, but it was never about bayonets. It was about the navy. Who brought up bayonets and horses?
 
2012-10-23 11:21:53 AM

JusticeandIndependence: It was plastic you dolt! 88-94' Never saw one again.


Yup. But '03-'07.

There are probably more training "bayonets" than there are actual bayonets. I do recall seeing them on armory inventory, though, even though no one ever used them.

/never learned to affix one to a rifle/remove one from a rifle or anything like that.
 
2012-10-23 11:22:41 AM

vpb: notmtwain: Is it against the Geneva Convention to fatally "poke" a bunch of unarmed combatants playing dead?

Fatally, yes, although if are playing dead it would be kind of difficult to claim that you intended to kill them.


Plus they could have been spys.
 
2012-10-23 11:23:01 AM

sammyk: Is this really a talking point? That's just sad. So long America, we hardly knew ya.


Tweeted by none other than Sean Hannity during the debate, so it's official derp
 
2012-10-23 11:23:12 AM

EZ Writer: Satanic_Hamster: So.... Bayonets is a talking point.

Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder and that Iran doesn't have any ocean access isn't.

But remember, the liberal media is out to get Republicans.

We, U.S. Americans, should have more maps. Like in the Iraqs, and such as...

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x661]


To be fair, though... He was talking about the Med. Still...

/I know... "Fair" is not a requirement.
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2012-10-23 11:23:18 AM

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OK now that is cool. Completely pointless but cool nonetheless. Hell my wife who knows nothing about weapons asked me once about the gears of war lancer, "Couldn't they just carry more bullets instead the weight of the chainsaw and fuel?"
 
2012-10-23 11:23:57 AM
In North Korea, they used to (up until a decade or so ago, maybe to the present day) use prisoners and kidnapped Japanese and South Koreans for bayonet practice. They would tie them to stakes and have the soldiers have a go at them. Any soldier refusing would, well, become a prisoner and goto 10.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:32 AM

I_Am_Weasel: How about dressage horses with frickin' bayonets attached to their heads?


As a former soldier, I believe that would be badass. So long as we can make it look like a Frazetta painting.
 
2012-10-23 11:24:55 AM
Random cool history about Bayonets:

"Significantly, the front sight of the M38 was positioned in such a way that the Model 91/30's cruciform bayonet could not be mounted to the muzzle even if a soldier obtained one. This decision had disastrous consequences for the rear area troops when the Wehrmacht blitzkrieg overran them. Thousands of Red Army soldiers died on Mauser 98K bayonets.

The slaughter of the rear area troops led directly to the development of the Model M44 Mosin."
 
2012-10-23 11:25:54 AM

calm like a bomb: sigdiamond2000: I see the "liberal media" is running with this "BONGFARTO SEZ THERES NO BAY-O-NETS ANYMORE" thing.

I'm surprised you need this, since Rmoney was the one who got raped last night, but here you go:

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I'm pretty sure that your sarcasm detector needs to be calibrated.
 
2012-10-23 11:25:58 AM

EZ Writer: Satanic_Hamster: So.... Bayonets is a talking point.

Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder and that Iran doesn't have any ocean access isn't.

But remember, the liberal media is out to get Republicans.

We, U.S. Americans, should have more maps. Like in the Iraqs, and such as...

[sphotos-b.xx.fbcdn.net image 850x661]


Mediterranean Sea, ever heard of it?

Those areas of The Iraq and Gobbles, such as, wouldn't be to tough to get through, for Iranians that have maps.
 
2012-10-23 11:26:06 AM

Rev. Skarekroe: Well that settles it. It's now clear that Obama lost the debate and will lose the election.
Let's wrap this up folks, we're finished here.


You forgot the riot threats. Now we really do have a use for those bayonets.

/look it was a silly point on Obama's part...last I heard that 70% of the Earth's surface was covered in water and those carriers he talked about still need support ships...LOTS of support ships...the last thing we need is a smaller navy
//Obama looked like a person desperate to make Romney look bad and he simply didn't do it
///Obama's people had to immediately go into spin control mode when he stated categorically that sequestration wouldn't happen and the military's budget wouldn't be getting slashed too deep...fact is Obama can't guarantee jack shiat on that issue and he knows it and blaming Congress is lame..fact is bayonets and horses may be all that our military can afford under Obama in the coming years
 
2012-10-23 11:26:12 AM
An article in Slate about military affairs? To paraphrase Patton's quote about Time magazine, they know as much about war as they do about fornication.

However, this issue has been addressed previously:

www.strayhorn.net
 
2012-10-23 11:26:44 AM

Dynascape: PsyLord: Dynascape: I have one of these and they're pretty much my main line of defense in a zombie invasion:

[farm3.staticflickr.com image 300x200]

You're not going to survive too long then.

Its a good main weapon.

Plus that spike bayonet is a lot more wicked than pictures make you believe. Its also insanely sharp.

Ah, I want to go home and smell it. Cosmoline is one of my favorite smells ever.


Oh, I have no doubt that it is sharp. It's just that against zombies, the only effective area is the head. So that means that you will be thrusting at one zombie after another with that thing, hoping to hit their orbital cavity and the brain. Looks like after a few dozen thrusts, you might get tired out due to the weight of that thing. Plus the length of the rifle makes maneuvering the item a bit difficult in close quarter or if there is a crowd of zombies.
 
2012-10-23 11:27:12 AM

Satanic_Hamster: So.... Bayonets is a talking point.

Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder and that Iran doesn't have any ocean access isn't.

But remember, the liberal media is out to get Republicans.


I like to think its more a case of we know Romney is almost as big of a dick as the previous president, so lets focus on the more fun things.

The educated peeps on this planet have looked at a map or two, most Republicans would probably burn an atlas as science, iberal propaganda or the devil's work.
 
2012-10-23 11:28:05 AM

Satanic_Hamster: So.... Bayonets is a talking point.

Romney thinking that Iran and Syria share a boarder and that Iran doesn't have any ocean access isn't.

But remember, the liberal media is out to get Republicans.


Some guy pays rent in Iran and Syria?
 
2012-10-23 11:28:31 AM
I used my bayonet to probe for mines. They didn't work well, so I switched to my other large knife, which worked better.

/mine clearing is a weird job
 
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