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(Daily Mail)   The woman who sparked a debate on beauty after Facebook picture in her underwear. Warning: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 152
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2012-10-23 09:00:32 AM
11 votes:

Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!


Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.
2012-10-23 09:06:57 AM
9 votes:
Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.
2012-10-23 09:11:26 AM
8 votes:

serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.


It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.
2012-10-23 12:02:01 PM
7 votes:
To the people making the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument, you need to just stop. You sound like a creationist that doesn't understand either the law or how/where it is actually applicable to physical systems. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is NOT directly applicable to an active organism that is governed by complex biochemical processes, especially when the goal is something as highly SPECIFIC as health and adipose tissue reduction.

Fat tissue is not subject to the whims and desires of the consciousness of the person whose body it is in, nor is it a passive storage point for excess energy. It is innervated, active tissue that can demand more Calories at the expense of the organism as a whole. There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.

A similar condition can and does happen to people through a combination of genetics and a diet that has screwed up hormone signaling, sometimes permanently. If someone has the unfortunate double whammy of poor genetics and an unhealthy upbringing (raised on processed/junk food and poor education) then they are in for a grueling time when it comes to healthy weight loss, through no fault of their own.

Giving horrible advice, such as starving yourself, which is what you are doing when you are hungry but not eating, is terrible and counter-productive. Bodybuilders and athletes with weight classes (weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) often undergo purposeful calorie deficits for very short periods of time, even these extremely dedicated athletes with iron wills find the task near impossible, and certainly cannot maintain it for any length of time required to lose significant amounts of weight. Bodybuilders especially often end up causing themselves physical and psychological damage.

Obesity is America is a large-scale, public health issue and it is fueled by cheap corn and companies feeding highly processed non-food to the population, which in turn screws up their metabolism making them sick and causing their bodies to store more fat than they otherwise would. The only real solution involves the entire society, but each of us can do our part by eating real, healthy, unprocessed food.

/running long slow distances (e.g. marathons) isn't really that good for you and also isn't a good exercise for losing fat
// "Input < Output" is bad and incorrect advice
2012-10-23 09:40:25 AM
5 votes:
Holy crap you people suck this morning.

She's happy, who cares.

I went through puberty the same year I joined cross country. I ran 500 miles that year (not including whatever I ran for track in the spring). I stopped drinking pop and eating fast food, mainly because running on an upset stomach sucked.

And I gained weight, not all of it muscle. Puberty is a biatch, hormones all a crazy. Thankfully, I didn't have anyone *personally* tormenting me, other than myself wondering why the f--k I wasn't skinner than other girls on the team I could outrun... then eventually slapped myself awake and realized that if eating healthy, not drinking unnecessary calories, and being absurdly active got me to that weight, then so be it.

Eventually things settled down, but holy crap.

In summation: f--k you, f--k you, you're cool girl, f--k you, I'm out.
2012-10-23 09:27:12 AM
5 votes:
Sure, she's fine. But once a woman gets to a certain point, I no longer find her physically attractive. If we had been in a relationship, and she started off thinner, and gained weight to where she is now, I would lose all interest in sex. If I met her now, I would never be interested in a romantic relationship. I can no more change this than a gay man can make himself straight, so I refuse to feel bad about it. I think chubby chasers are lucky; it's got to be easier to get what you want, when what you want is what most guys don't.
2012-10-23 09:11:26 AM
5 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices.


You are born fat, actually.
2012-10-23 09:07:45 AM
5 votes:
Attention whores come in all shapes and sizes...
2012-10-23 01:49:54 PM
4 votes:
The problem with "calories in - calories out" is that the "2nd law of thermodynamics" brings about all the wrong analogies. Second, I don't know if anyone who uses the term "starvation mode" has a clue what that means, or even if it has basis in reality -- the human metabolism is still being actively researched; a lot of what we put in authoritative texts 20, 30, 50 years ago have been blown up. All that said, the human body burns energy more like a household than some simple energy-load system. Imagine a house being run by a single generator that's periodically re-fueled. If you turn on all the lights, HVAC, oven, vacuum cleaner, what have you, you will burn a lot of energy, sure. But you're not the only person in the house. Others will compete for the same energy, to the point where even if the generator's running out of fuel, that bratty sister will insist on running her 2kW hair dryer while you get hypothermia because there's no juice left to run the heaters. The human body has a LOT of systems, the energy management system isn't perfect, and you have direct control over very few of them. The skeletal muscles, frontal lobe and. . . that's about it, really. And if all else fails, the body will hit you with lethargy to rob you of both, which makes doing things like exercising or working for a paycheck very difficult.

So if you DO want to lose weight, you have to focus on what you can control. Yes, that means eating less food, but here's where your "calories in - calories out" fundies go full derp. This is BIOCHEMISTRY you're oversimplifying here. If "a calorie is a calorie", why can't we metabolize cellulose? There's a lot of energy in that. Why is methanol toxic while glucose is not? If you're willing to admit that there's a difference between glucose and methanol, then you need to STFU about "a calorie is a calorie". We're only just now un-doing about forty years' worth of outdated science and public policy by finally understanding the biological mechanisms of the various compounds we utilize for energy and thus refer to as "calories". FYI, there are some energy sources that provide calories that aren't counted by the government's rules, and others that don't provide energy that are. We are counting calories based on science that's at least forty years out-of-date. Actually, the very notion of counting calories is arguably outdated.

OK, so, the reason why obesity is on the rise is because we've gotten too good at refining and processing foods. Then the "calorie is a calorie" derpheads took over the food industry and convinced the world that there's no difference between, say, a hydrogenated vegetable oil and a naturally saturated fatty acid, and if it affects you negatively it's your fault. This is stupid. The latter is a compound evolution has dealt with for tens of millions of years; the former may look similar but results in a completely different set of by-products, and it's those by-products your body uses as signals to interpret as "enough" or "MOAR". But to top it off, they have the gall to claim a synthetic your body goes "WTF" over is healthier than compounds your body evolved to digest. Also, your body is adapted to various combinations of compounds found in nature. In some cases, the effect is tied to one chemical while the biofeedback signal is tied to another. Glucose is benign, but the body never expects it to be separated from fiber and water. There isn't a whole lot of point to eating fiber just for the sake of eating fiber. What fiber does is aid in water absorption and attenuate sugar absorption. Your body deals better with the trifecta than the individual compounds. Fiber without water is bad (it can cause intestinal problems), sugar without fiber is bad (causes hyperglycemia), and water without sugar is. . . well, not bad, but not a very efficient way to hydrate. The food industry has gotten to the point where people are paying money to buy these ingredients separately when just eating a damned carrot gets you all three at once.
2012-10-23 12:59:30 PM
4 votes:

machoprogrammer: peachfish: People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Sorry, you follow the laws of thermodynamics like everyone else in the universe. 20 floors a day isn't exactly a lot when it comes to calorie burning or cardio (maybe if you are sprinting all 20 floors consecutively, then it might). I guarantee you that your diet is the cause of it -- either you are eating too much or too little (and thus, starvation mode). Weigh your food (always go by weight, not volume), figure out your TDEE, and eat 500 calories less than it.

WinoRhino: I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.

I am guessing you are eating too much then. You follow the laws of thermodynamics just like everything else in our universe. Running actually doesn't burn that many calories (130 calories per mile). So if you ran 10 miles, that is 1300 calories, or roughly 2 big macs.


But wait, according to "the laws of thermodynamics" the idea of "starvation mode" doesn't exist. You can't say it's "calories in versus calories out" and then start adding exceptions, unless you acknowledge it's a lot more complicated.
Incidentally, I eat about 1600 calories a day (keep in mind I'm also nursing a baby).
Likely the big difference for me is that I once weighed 70 lbs more than I do now. My metabolism has been permanently altered and to lose more weight I would likely need to drop my calories even lower. Tell me how long you would last or how good you would feel on say, 1400 calories a day plus exercise and (in my case) lactating? And we wonder why people "fail" at diets.
My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.
2012-10-23 10:38:43 AM
4 votes:
Are her tits smaller than her gut? Then she's fat. The end.
2012-10-23 10:28:18 AM
4 votes:

Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.


People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.
2012-10-23 09:52:15 AM
4 votes:
She's cute and a little heavy, and that beats skinny and ugly (or stupid) any day of the week.
2012-10-23 09:29:57 AM
4 votes:
If your size is none of my business then why is your naked picture on the front page of the paper lardass?
2012-10-23 09:20:31 AM
4 votes:
For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.
2012-10-23 09:19:08 AM
4 votes:

dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.


Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like her who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the

dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.


Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like her who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like you who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the girl she mentions who bullied her when she was 12 and told her to kill herself and she would never be pretty? No, it must be her brain's fault!
2012-10-23 09:16:45 AM
4 votes:

serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly


This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.
2012-10-23 09:14:53 AM
4 votes:
Aw, too bad she didn't get the massive fat tits to go along with the rest of her fatness.

I always pity the fat girls this happens to.
2012-10-23 08:13:02 PM
3 votes:

L.D. Ablo: peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.


I don't doubt that I would lose weight if I simply stopped eating, but that's called anorexia and is more likely to kill me than being fat is. I don't know a single "average" size person who has to starve or fast frequently to maintain their size, so why should *I* live that way just to make someone else feel more comfortable? Why should anyone?
Eat good food, a reasonable amount of it, get some exercise, mostly for the cardiac benefits, and be whatever size you happen to be while doing it. 100 people could all eat the same diet and get the same exercise and all will be a different size. We don't all need to conform to one standard.
I'm a happily married (to a 6ft tall 160lb man) woman with two kids, a masters degree and a professional career (which includes currently pursuing a bariatric counseling certification). If someone doesn't like the way I look, it's really more their problem than mine.
2012-10-23 12:39:42 PM
3 votes:

FarkinHostile: astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.



Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Actually, it does in a way. Did you know that, if you weighed 300 lbs and lost half of that so that you weighed 150 lbs, you would always have to eat less than someone who always weighed 150 lbs in order to maintain the same weight?
Everyone likes to think it is as simple as cutting a couple hundred calories a day and taking a 30 minute walk and, voila, you will be skinny. It isn't, and there's a shiat-ton of research that demonstrates that.
2012-10-23 11:08:46 AM
3 votes:

Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.


Dude, if you don't care, you don't care. You don't have to make excuses. The theme of the thread isn't that you need to justify your bad habits as part of your identity, it's that trying to justify quantitatively bad habits is more annoying than simply having them.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, that's bad. Now get over it." = fine. You're a normal dude with some bad behaviors. We've all got ours, they make life less of a waste of time.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, but it's big bones/an inalienable part of my character/because of society/because because because" = Jesus, stop whinging, you irredeemable wanker.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, and I'm PROUD. It is YOU, society, whose definition of 'healthy' is wrong. Science? Statistics? What are those." = please remove yourself from the gene pool at your earliest convenience, preferably before spawning.

I mean, I drink more than the optimum one a day (fun fact: less than one a day, also bad for you) and I only barely quit smoking. But I don't go around shouting my smoker's pride from the rooftops and telling kids that smoking being bad for you is an evil conspiracy fiction fabricate by THE MAN to keep the proud smoking race, who are the true paragons of health and attractiveness, down. Additionally, I willingly pay the price for my own dumbshiat teenager decision-making in the form of insurance premiums that balance against my increased health risks.
2012-10-23 09:55:48 AM
3 votes:
Attention whore is fat. news at 11.
2012-10-23 09:50:10 AM
3 votes:

vermicious k'nid: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

Are your runner friends women that are (probably) 40lbs overweight like this girl? Remember, muscle weighs more than fat, so if they're going strictly by the numbers then they are always going to be "overweight" if they're muscular.


They're similar in build, if not chubbier. And they're constantly active. Myself, despite regularly running 5K's, weight training, and eating well, have found it impossible to lose any substantial weight postpartum. Not looking for advice, I've done everything. It just ain't happening. Even so, blood pressure's low, cholesterol levels are "excellent," and am pretty impressively strong. Sometimes it's better to stop beating your head against a wall trying to have the culturally approved body type and just accept what you've got.
2012-10-23 09:42:44 AM
3 votes:

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


Gay isn't a choice; fat is.
2012-10-23 09:36:36 AM
3 votes:
Just wondering. Is there any kind of example of fat men showing off their de-clothed selves to smash the tyranny of fashion's expectations of what men should look like? Or is every out-of-shape guy supposed to take solace in Kevin James's rise to fame despite being unfunny and out-of-shape?
2012-10-23 09:24:45 AM
3 votes:
As a former fat person I have no respect for fatties. Lose some farking weight you fat coont no one wants to see that shiat.. except maybe other fat ugly people.
2012-10-23 09:20:28 AM
3 votes:
It's all fun and games celebrating obesity until you try to defend your country with the marshmallow brigade.
2012-10-23 09:14:42 AM
3 votes:

karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.


It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.
2012-10-23 09:14:02 AM
3 votes:

WTFDYW: You sound hungry and moronic moranic


/obligatory response

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


Because you can change your sexual preference through diet and exercise, so it's exactly the same thing.
2012-10-23 09:02:31 AM
3 votes:
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.
2012-10-23 08:03:22 AM
3 votes:
WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT



Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.
2012-10-23 10:18:09 PM
2 votes:

dragonchild: Beta Tested: Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them.

Um, leptin is the satiety hormone. The rats were obese because they couldn't make leptin. Second, leptin is not a simple hormone. It interacts with other hormones like insulin and melatonin. You can't track the effects of the body by following just one hormone.


However, a study of 51 humans, 30 morbidly obese (>40 BMI) and 31 healthy (
Both groups of subjects had blood sampled again 3, 6, 9, and 12 months after the surgeries. They found that the obese subjects showed a drastic decrease in Leptin levels as early as 3 months after their bodies were placed into a forced starvation state of restricted calories. Levels continued to decrease in subjects for the 12 months and the 12 month showed a 8:1-12:1 ratio of Leptin/sLR levels.

The conclusion of the study has determined that in humans, unlike rats, can exhibit a genetic resistance to Leptin in the same way that they show resistance to insulin. They concluded that the correlation between insulin resistance and Leptin resistance was very strong in obese individuals. This is also linked to recent genetic discoveries of the adipose gene and how insulin and other metabolic hormones react to certain genetic types.

In 2001 the discovery of the "Adipose Gene" also known as WDTC1 or ADP, found that obesity can be directly linked to how active or more specifically, how inactive, that gene is. They discovered that when they treated specimens with higher ADP proteins, they ate as much or more than normal specimens, however they were leaner, had diabetes resistant fat cells, and were better able to control insulin and blood-sugar metabolism. Conversely, those who were manipulated to have lower ADP activity ate the same as normal subjects but were obese, less healthy, and easily susceptible to diabetes... These experiments were performed on various animal subjects from flies, to worms, to mice, to bovine. Using a tetratricopeptide antibody protein derived from e coli to deliver the adp on a cellular level.

So, this calorie in / calorie out isn't quite so simple... It's a matter of calorie efficiency, and directly linked to a person's genetic make up. Yes, it can be overcome, an obese person could enter into a starvation state where hormone levels and production are drastically altered, and they may have a better caloric efficiency during that state, but because of the activity of specific genes is directly tied to that efficiency, the moment they are no longer in that state of starvation, they will suffer the same effects of inefficiency.

It's not always how many calories you take in, it's how your body will use them that matters. There are fat people outside of the US that are ultimately very healthy individuals and capable, and do, perform a large amount of activity, yet they remain fat because they are simply not starving. The problem in America lies with our activity levels, and other dietary factors that contribute to the dulling of adp activity...
2012-10-23 09:52:57 PM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?

In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.


So if I'm an average sized person, I'm allowed to eat what I want when I'm hungry, but if I'm fat you really think I will be a happy dieter eating my 1200 calories of steamed broccoli and boiled chicken forever? Because in order to maintain weight loss, the change you make has to be something you're willing to do for the rest of your life. This is why "diets" fail for 98% of people. If you don't find a way of eating that you are comfortable maintaining forever, you will simply regain anything you lose.
2012-10-23 01:13:32 PM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

This

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

And this.

Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.


Shut up you cock.

At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.
2012-10-23 11:17:24 AM
2 votes:

dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.


THIS!
2012-10-23 11:12:28 AM
2 votes:
i48.tinypic.com

Plus sized eye bleach.
2012-10-23 10:51:31 AM
2 votes:
The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?
2012-10-23 10:36:10 AM
2 votes:

FarkinHostile: astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).

Thermodynamics come into play with movement and exercise: lifting 100 pounds through one foot requires 0.0324 calories (your body will burn more than that because it's not 100% efficient). So it's possible to FORCE your body to run a caloric deficit, but only by eating very lightly.

My personal experience: I could run a 500 cal/day deficit (leading to 1lb/week fat loss) by eating 1700 (counted) cal/day (so my body could only pull my energy expenditure down to 2200ish cal/day). (I of course gained all 50-odd pounds back after stopping calorie counting).
2012-10-23 10:28:51 AM
2 votes:
cdn10.realitynation.com

Approves.


That being said, yeah, OK, it's great that you have self-confidence, but being a fat, unhealthy person is NOTHING to be proud of.(Yes, and being a skinny unhealthy person also not good, okay?)

If you just get louder and "sassier", it doesn't change the fact that you are still fat and should take care of yourself. You've just given up and are now rationalizing
2012-10-23 10:26:45 AM
2 votes:
More power to you cupcake. She's not hurting anyone but herself and whomever she happens to pass out on. And for all the morons crying about social cost - I'll chain smoke a pack of cigarettes and drink a couple doubles just for you tonight and when I do stroke out I'll got to ER and get them to write it off on your tax dime. Thanks! You'll get an ulcer worrying about what the other 12 billion people on the planet might be doing to offend you. Does hand wringing count as exercise? Maybe climbing up and down off that high horse does. Maybe some anti bacterial lotion to get the stench of the unacceptable off of your pristine souls.

i174.photobucket.com
2012-10-23 10:16:09 AM
2 votes:
America's obesity epidemic isn't just the result of people driving their cars a block to buy 104oz sodas, its also the inevitable result of a government that subsidizes the fattiest, crappiest food available, and corn; lots and lots of corn. Solving the problem will take a lot more than just making fun of fat chicks, we need to elect leaders who aren't beholden to the companies that produce this junk, so they stop getting subsidized, so the cheapest food available isn't 2000 calories a serving.
2012-10-23 10:10:59 AM
2 votes:
Why is this news? There are fat girls posting pictures of themselves on the internet all the time.
Oh because she's standing up to some oppressive regime that finds excessive body fat unattractive? Boo hoo.

I'm sure she is a great person underneath all that blubber... but has she tried diet and exercise? There is a reason its unattractive.. its unhealthy.
2012-10-23 09:58:21 AM
2 votes:
She's fat, dim-witted, and an attention whore.

WHAT'S NOT TO LOVE???
2012-10-23 09:56:26 AM
2 votes:

vermicious k'nid: Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


FilmBELOH20: doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts?


See theincidentaleconomist.com for actual numbers on this (post titled "blame du jour"). They do detailed analysis of what makes US health care more expensive than everywhere else, and prevalence of all conditions (not just porkitude) accounts for just a tiny bit of that. (We're spending 2-3 TIMES as much per person, after all).

Worrying about fatties' contribution to collective health care expenses is like worrying about PBS's contribution to the Federal budget. It's something, but tiny in the grand scheme of things. To take the example above, type II diabetes is cheap as hell to treat (Target will hook you up with a month's worth of metformin for $4, before insurance).
2012-10-23 09:54:47 AM
2 votes:
i.imgur.com

These are my teeth. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about them, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my teeth, ARE NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

/Why won't anyone kiss me?
2012-10-23 09:53:22 AM
2 votes:

machoprogrammer: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

This

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

And this.

Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.



I hate sugar. Never drink soda. Never eat candy. Love vegetables. Excessive regularly and vigorously. Yet I'm still fat. I grew up on a farm and worked heavy manual labor from sunrise to sunset yet was still fat in high school.

I've spent my entire life feeling that I am less of a person because of my weight.

Even at my lightest I was never slim. The inability to reach my goal weight drove me to give up on taking care of myself for a long time. I'm finally getting myself healthy again. It took becoming hypertensive to do so. In order to motivate myself, I have to understand that goal weight is not important. It's about health. My BP is finally back down to where it should be and that what is important. Not some jackasses opinion. I'll never be thin and I'm OK with that.

F you sir. For some of us, it's not easy. Offer encouragement, not criticism.

/20 lbs down and counting...
2012-10-23 09:52:11 AM
2 votes:
She's markedly overweight. If she wants to be that weight, fine. But she's carrying too much fat and too little muscle to do so in a healthy fashion. And all of the self-confidence and self-esteem in the world won't change that fact. Is it her business if she wants to be like that? Sure. But let's not pretend that it's normal, healthy, or that most people aren't attracted to that look. And it's not simply because people don't like fat; it's also because the overwhelming majority of people who look like she does look that way because they take in too many calories and they exercise too little and that lifestyle says a great deal about the mind within the body. It says she doesn't care about her health. It says she lacks self-control. And it says she over-weights the short term pleasure of eating and not exercising versus the long term health and appearance benefits of a reasonable caloric intake and exercise. And she will be less healthy and likely die younger as a result.

In simplest terms, it's not just that people don't want to be with a fatass, it's that they don't want to be with someone who exhibits all the signs of someone who is, internally, the kind of person whose behaviors generate that type of body.
2012-10-23 09:52:11 AM
2 votes:
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.
2012-10-23 09:41:48 AM
2 votes:

johncb76006: Those stretch marks are just so sexy.


In her habitual state of runaway gluttony, she has eaten so much food that her gut is expanding to the point that her skin must make special adaptations to keep her internal organs inside her body. Just the thought of that, combined with the pure aesthetic characteristic of dark and jagged blemishes running down her midsection, makes her unattractive to me. There must be something wrong with me.
2012-10-23 09:40:23 AM
2 votes:
Yeah, look, there's having a positive body image even though you're "fat" because you're just a bit rounder than the average model or a bit into overweight but still healthy. This is having a positive outlook, and both mentally and socially it is in fact a good thing.

There is also having a positive body image even though you're fat, no quotes, because you're in a weight category for your height so definitively and unarguably unhealthy that my insurance premiums went up just looking at your picture. This is being delusional, and it is mentally a mild derangement and socially an entirely merited reason for ridicule, because your inability to take basic care of yourself is a financial drain on the pool of money the rest of us use to get medical care for conditions we couldn't easily avoid with a completely trivial amount of effort.

Basically, no, you should have a negative body image because your body is literally, medically speaking a bad body, because you've cared for it poorly. You should feel bad, perhaps that shame will motivate you to start bloody well taking care of yourself.
2012-10-23 09:39:15 AM
2 votes:
Two separate issues in play here.

1) I admire her spunk and ability to stand up to those who mocked her and caused her pain. She is in the right and they are in the wrong. Seriously. Good for her.

2) She's fat. She shouldn't just accept it, she should be trying to fix it, dare I say, cure it. Its a farking illness, not a lifestyle. Wouldn't it be nice to go on a run? go dancing? walk up stairs without feeling as if you want to die? be able to put on socks without grunting? not have back pain, neck pain, and sore feet?

This isn't an aesthetic valuation, its health and quality of life.

Eat less. Work/play more. Keep that spunky attitude.
2012-10-23 09:37:01 AM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.


Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.
2012-10-23 09:34:31 AM
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip


I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.
2012-10-23 09:30:40 AM
2 votes:

StoPPeRmobile: Mid_mo_mad_man: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be

Always has to be concessions with you fat people.

/Is being fat a protected class yet?

Nice assuming there buddy. Your half right. At my biggest I was 369 pounds now I'm at 200 in roughly two years. Get the fark off your high horse and let people be.
2012-10-23 09:30:02 AM
2 votes:

Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.


a) It's sad to me that people can look at that picture and NOT see someone that is obviously unhealthy. Our standards have fallen and now we think that THAT is healthy? I'm not saying that she's going to die of a heart attack tomorrow, but the fact is she isn't in good shape.

b) I know plenty of women that are built "broad" and are healthy. This girl is not built broad. She is short and fat.
2012-10-23 09:28:40 AM
2 votes:
This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

Maybe if you don't want people commenting on the choices you make about your body you shouldn't actively parade it in front of tens of thousands of strangers.

And, no, it's not okay to celebrate being a fat-ass. It's one thing to point out that people shouldn't be stupidly obsessed with being thin, but you're not not just chubby, you're obese, and that's unhealthy. It's no better than people being proud to be ignorant. People view your body negatively because your body is a negative aspect of yourself because you keep it in an unhealthy state. You also seem to have a terrible personality and a persecution complex. Did people bully you over them too or did they develop separately?

You're just the whole package, aintcha?
2012-10-23 09:25:53 AM
2 votes:
Am bisexual and tend to be much more judgemental of females sexually by appearance than males. That being said, I think she's stunning. I'd personally like more curve definition if I'm objectifying her (not thinner, just waist definition), but she's extremely beautiful. I sure wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
2012-10-23 09:24:43 AM
2 votes:

Burr: Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.


Yeah she does.

Burr: I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.


So do I. They tend to have some muscle, she appears to be made of jello.
2012-10-23 09:24:24 AM
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be


Always has to be concessions with you fat people.

/Is being fat a protected class yet?
2012-10-23 09:23:35 AM
2 votes:

karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.


Well seriously. It's amazing how many social issues are covered by the "don't be a dick" rule.
2012-10-23 09:22:29 AM
2 votes:
A little thick is fine. It's when the rolls' rolls have rolls that it's a REAL problem.
2012-10-23 09:21:28 AM
2 votes:
Looks like a lot of people in this thread have a thing for stretch marks, yuck.
2012-10-23 09:20:47 AM
2 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip


yeah, but you don't lose your hand.
2012-10-23 09:19:36 AM
2 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


This

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.


And this.

Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.
2012-10-23 09:17:50 AM
2 votes:

vermicious k'nid: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be
2012-10-23 09:15:43 AM
2 votes:
In comparison, she's not really that fat. And she's got a cute face. Definitely not a land whale by far. Land whales...the thought. *shudders*
2012-10-23 09:12:52 AM
2 votes:

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


No, no it doesn't.
2012-10-23 09:11:25 AM
2 votes:

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


Apples are different than oranges.
2012-10-23 09:10:56 AM
2 votes:

notmtwain: WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT


Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.


you sound fat.
2012-10-23 09:10:06 AM
2 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.


...sounds familiar...
2012-10-23 09:08:44 AM
2 votes:

serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.


Paging studman69, studman69 to thread 7396184...

/fark you. Takes all kinds to make up the world
//Not everyone finds a bag of antlers attractive.
2012-10-23 10:02:10 PM
1 votes:

peachfish: machoprogrammer: peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?

In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.

So if I'm an average sized person, I'm allowed to eat what I want when I'm hungry, but if I'm fat you really think I will be a happy dieter eating my 1200 calories of steamed broccoli and boiled chicken forever? Because in order to maintain weight loss, the change you make has to be something you're willing to do for the rest of your life. This is why "diets" fail for 98% of people. If you don't find a way of eating that you are comfortable maintaining forever, you will simply regain anything you lose.


I would also say to you, your suggestions of "eat less, exercise more, eat less calorie dense food" that you put forth as though somehow you think an overweight person has simply never heard of these concepts before just makes you look as though you equate fatness with stupidity. Maybe there's a person or two left in the world that might be amazed and stunned to discover that they can eat more broccoli than French fries for the same calories, but I wager those people are few and far between. You also clearly display your bias when you suggest that I simply need to get my calories from veggies instead of cake and French fries. How do you know what I eat?? You don't! You only THINK you do because I say I'm overweight.
2012-10-23 08:00:49 PM
1 votes:

L.D. Ablo: peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.


Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?
2012-10-23 06:53:32 PM
1 votes:
I know a lot of people will intentionally mistake this for the whining of the "privileged".....

....but to be honest, men are fat-shamed just as much as women, just in slightly different ways, and don't even get to be as fat as the average woman (even giving women a few pounds for "female body type") before being harshly judged. It just doesn't get any play in the press, because men don't expect to be automatically respected and free from crtiticism and congratulated by everyone for being a proud fatass.

I have been told that my 20-pound beer gut on a 6'3" frame was "gross", and was too much for me to be sexy, by women who were no prizes at all. One 80+ lbs overweight, and another low-self-esteem, alcoholic tattooed skank with 2 kids, loose flab, and droopy pockmarked skin. A man who is 30-50 pounds overweight is considered much too fat by most women, and generally won't even be seen as potential date material, yet nobody is supposed to criticize a woman who is almost obese and certainly unhealthy.

I have no harsh words for this woman. I hope she's happy, and that people treat her well. But I wish that for everyone else, too- and not living in shame doesn't imply people need to be "proud" about their fat rolls to be happy.
2012-10-23 03:58:05 PM
1 votes:
1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-10-23 03:28:32 PM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Umm, no. That isn't "extreme". That is called "eating right and exercise". And anyone can lose weight.


Well, yes. That's why I said it was probably step 1. That generally indicates that there are, gasp...more steps.

/Dude, really, that was spectacularly stupid.
2012-10-23 03:27:23 PM
1 votes:

liam76: PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. SomeA very tiny percentage of people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

FTFY.



But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Maybe for the same reason you care if I care?

Maybe because I am bored at work and I don't really "care" but I do find it amusing to mock someone who is crying about the attention her body gets when she is standing behind a picture of her body in a swimsuit on facebook, and garnering more attention.


Actually, I care because people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight. It's one thing to have a rational discussion. America does not have a rational discussion. It has irrational hatred.

This woman has had to deal with that hatred her entire life, and is now standing up to it. What part of that, exactly, are you mocking? Or do you think fat people don't have the right to say that they deserve as much respect as anyone else?
2012-10-23 03:24:24 PM
1 votes:
I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.
2012-10-23 03:13:07 PM
1 votes:
i48.tinypic.com

We have a perfectly nice thread going on big breasts, and everyone is posting in the fat girl thread.

Fark, I am disappoint.

Click on the pic and enjoy life a little.
2012-10-23 03:05:19 PM
1 votes:
I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ..gasp...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look around you! Talk to any man or woman over 40 and ask about tolerance for having a spare tire. For men it is practically expected while women get hounded.


They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

My husband is fat. My previous boyfriend had a sculpted body but the emotional level of a 16 yr old.


Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."

They are real... Real ass wipes.


She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!
The terms are:
Calories in - food you eat
Calories burned - energy burned in exercise or body maintenance
Calories stored - energy stored as fat
Calories out - calories exiting your body in your poop

Calories burned for a single activity is highly variable not just person to person, but for the same person under different circumstances. That is why people have to vary their work out routines. A person who has dieted will burn significantly fewer calories doing the same work out than they did before the diet.

Calories out is probably the most important term in the whole equation. Different people have different efficiency levels, with highly efficient people putting more energy away as fat than less efficient people. This also is highly variable, both person to person and for the same person under different circumstances. Unless you know your efficiency level is higher than the fatty you are criticizing STFU!


Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.

Being fat is not a choice. It is a metabolic condition that you have to deal with.


I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

Walking pace is ~3 miles/hour. A walked marathon (which only a small proportion of Farkers would be able to do) would take 8.7 hours. A 5 hour marathon is nearly twice that speed.


Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw.
One of my character flaws is I can beam an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want.


FTFY
Your body chemistry is not a character flaw.


She's at least 18, and even though I can't say for sure I can reasonably infer that she hasn't been doing much about her weight. Partly because she ends her rant with the statement "who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was."

You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.


This!
I'm amazed at the number of people here who think they know exactly what this girl eats and what her exercise regimen is just by looking at her picture. Just because it would take powering down Big Macs and cheesecake to make them fat they assume she has the exact same genetics that they do even though it is obvious that she doesn't.


Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.


I was the exact same way growing up. I was a bag of antlers (5'8" and 120 lbs) I couldn't understand how people could be fat when being skinny was so easy. I drank ensure between meals to try to put some weight on. I gained 5 lbs after doing that for 2 months. I celebrated by stopping (ensure tastes like ass) and lost those 5 lbs in 2 days. Then I hit 31 and changed my birth control. Those 2 changes (chemical and metabolic) resulted in me gaining 40 lbs in 2 weeks, and continuing to gain about 1 lb a year. Now it is as difficult to take weight off as it was to put weight on. You "Calorie in - calorie out" people can STFU and EABOD because I know the weight issue from both sides and I know you are wrong.
2012-10-23 01:52:28 PM
1 votes:

liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.


Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?
2012-10-23 01:45:38 PM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Overfiend: Shut up you cock.

At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.


You sound fat.

Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.


Poor baby...

Is that the reason you are a tool?
2012-10-23 01:36:46 PM
1 votes:
Those fat people that do marathons and stuff are still eating too much. get over it. They have not adjusted their calorie intake to account for their higher efficiency. When you are in great shape you don't burn as many calories with your amazing exercise regimen.

See it all the time. really fat person gets exercising and eating better, drops some weight, then stalls. Eventually they up their exercise too much and injure themselves (knees usually, or back). When what they needed to do was leave the exercise where it was and tighten up the food intake again. Look, without steroids you just aren't going to get any more muscle at your age. You don't *need* all that protein. You just need to start making your meals smaller. What *was* dieting for you two months ago is no longer dieting.


as for this girl, the signs are bad. She can't be more than 25 and she has the body of a woman in her mid forties. Her tits are small, which means her natural waist size is quite a bit smaller than this size.
She could get to her healthy size in a year if she did it right. One year for about 25 lbs. Entirely manageable for someone with a plan. That's less than a pound a week. She can't try something to improve her entire life with just one year of effort ?
2012-10-23 12:53:26 PM
1 votes:

Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties

You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men

False, I've been with two fatties, they were both terrible lays.

In my experience plus size gals try harder Btw you called them fatties but still gave them the pipe? That's an a-hole move

Is it? We were both drunk, they weren't expecting anything more than getting laid. what's the big deal?


Respect the pu$&y no matter the source. The lady folk talk
2012-10-23 12:50:50 PM
1 votes:
Almost invariably, whenever some story like this breaks, scores of women - both thin and fat - decry the fact that women are judged on their appearance, and declare "women of ALL sizes are beautiful" etc, ad nauseum.

They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

It's one kind of hypocrisy coming from thin women, who (and this is perfectly acceptable) date and fark men similarly physically fit, yet it's another one entirely when these same plus-sized women haven't and won't, themselves, date a plus size man.

Offsetting penalties, replay the down.
2012-10-23 12:39:28 PM
1 votes:

The Only Jeff: (Citation Needed)

There are Zucker rats, but they were specifically bred and genetically mutated to be super fat... I don't think they starve to death before using fat reserves for energy, though, and if they do, there's no way that is natural since from an evolutionary standpoint, it'd be certain death for a species.

Right. I know they exist, but a quick Google search didn't reveal that their bodies would kill them before letting them be skinny.


I was slightly mis-remembering, but my point still stands, I read it in "Good Calories, Bad Calories". Basically Zucker rats lose fat as they starve to death but less than normal rats, and they still die pretty fat when compared to normal rats. There were some other interesting things I had forgotten about as well, for example:

"What's more, as Greenwood reported, these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50 percent less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30 percent less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat."

Go to Good-Calories-Bad-Calories-Gary-Taubes and search "Zucker Rats", bunch of good stuff.

The point is, and my point still stands, is that healthily losing weight is not "eat less", but much more complex than that, and you might do more harm than good by just "eating less".
2012-10-23 12:23:13 PM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: The Only Jeff: Beta Tested: There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.

(Citation Needed)

There are Zucker rats, but they were specifically bred and genetically mutated to be super fat... I don't think they starve to death before using fat reserves for energy, though, and if they do, there's no way that is natural since from an evolutionary standpoint, it'd be certain death for a species.


Right. I know they exist, but a quick Google search didn't reveal that their bodies would kill them before letting them be skinny.
2012-10-23 12:17:39 PM
1 votes:
Fat people are ugly because it's unhealthy.
Isn't it a little unhealthy to vehemently berate women on the Internet just because they don't arouse you?
2012-10-23 12:00:18 PM
1 votes:
I eat one grape and I feel bloated all day. I wish I could pack down the food like some of these fatties with BMIs in the high teens, but my mother wasn't crossbred with a mud wallowing pig. The most food you need to eat a day is a thin slice of whole grain bread and a little bit of dew that you can get by licking the grass. No wonder you people are so disgusting.
2012-10-23 11:47:53 AM
1 votes:

ChuDogg: Dinner might be the worst as you may end up on stocking up on calories before sleeping, offsetting any gains during the day. If you need a good meal focus on lunch, or maybe a "lunner" at like 2-3 pm.


Meal timing doesn't actually matter. If you eat a meal at 3 pm or eat that same meal at 10 pm right before bed, it doesn't make a difference. Your body doesn't handle it any differently.

theoutlaw: Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.


The thing is, starvation mode is not that easy to get to. You have to be eating at a pretty big deficient (>500 calories at the bare minimum, for the vast majority of people, especially overweight people, it is a lot larger than that) for several weeks before it sets in. And if you exercise while in starvation mode, you certainly won't gain weight. An overweight going from 2000 to 1500 won't go into starvation mode for a long, long, long time because they already have fat stored up. If you are 500 cal below maintenance and not stick-thin already, you won't get into starvation mode. The problem is that people try to lose weight by going into huge deficits, i.e. 3000 calorie maintenance and eating 500 calories a day, which does lead to "starvation mode", thinking it will go faster if they do.

There is no reason you cannot lose weight. Stop making excuses.
2012-10-23 11:33:07 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds


So. Fat and can't take a hint.

Incidentally, why do those "stretch marks" look like hand prints?
2012-10-23 11:19:03 AM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties

You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men


False, I've been with two fatties, they were both terrible lays.
2012-10-23 11:18:20 AM
1 votes:
As long as she's pretty... really - curvy and cute beats skinny and skanky any day
2012-10-23 11:00:09 AM
1 votes:

FarkinHostile: liam76:
I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".


No, it is not more complicated than calories in vs calories out on the most fundamental level. Does what you eat have an impact? Yes. Does how much/what kind of exercise have an impact? Sure. But when it comes down to it, if you intake 2000 calories a day and burn 3000, you WILL lose weight, period.

It is that simple. This isn't rocket surgery, folks.


It is that simple, but there is some nuance to it in as much as the types of foods and types of exercise you eat/do influence your ability to regulate the former and optimize the other. In other words, you are correct, but its misleading and not all that helpful for people who are trying to be healthy.

IF you eat low calorie foods that are high in fiber and protein, (or even just nutritionally balanced) over the course of your day, you are more likely to be able to keep your intake on target. If you eat a single hardees thickburger in the morning and blow your entire caloric intake in one sitting, you will probably fail.

IF you go to sleep at a normal time and don't stay up to watch TV, play games, surf the porn, you are less likely to munch, more likely to exercise and your overall mood will be better than had you stayed up late.

IF your workout routine has some interval cardio in it, you will maintain an elevated heart rate for considerably longer than a static cardio workout (and thus burn more calories)

IF your workout includes some resistance training, you will add muscle which will allow your latent mass to burn more calories throughout the day.

The point is that there are ways to make your body burn more calories and also ways to make you need/want to eat less. That matters.
2012-10-23 10:58:52 AM
1 votes:
Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.

csg time

I'm still a normal weight and have never been overweight, and I'm getting used to my new, different body. Can't be 'thin' anymore, but I lift weights and I'm strong and I'm happy. I suddenly gained around 30lb age 17, without a change in diet or exercise (I've always been a dancer). My mother always fed me very healthily and encouraged exercise because she is herself obese- she eats well, very little processed food, small portions, she's never lost the bulk, but that's a story for another day. I didn't think I'd ever be like her, and I hope I won't ever be, because I'm trying to stress exercise as part of my life and she never has. However, something happened to me that was not me suddenly stuffing 30lbs of burgers and cake into my mouth at age 17. That something was puberty, genetics, metabolism. I didn't become a glutton. I have never been a glutton.

/ tl;dr gaining weight doesn't mean you've decided to eat crap, calorie argument is way more complicated than farktrolls claim
// also, I got hella stretchmarks when I was 11. It's called puberty and it causes you to gain fat in areas like your breasts, bottom and hips. I was underweight at age 11, but I was growing tits.
2012-10-23 10:57:25 AM
1 votes:
So, how long before I get cheers and accolades after I post a pic of my balding spot with a feisty diatribe on my FB?
2012-10-23 10:57:02 AM
1 votes:

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight.


That's me. See above post. My best times were a 10 miler at an 8:54 / mile pace, a 20 miler at a 9:24 / mile overall pace, and the Boston Marathon at slightly over a 10:00 / mile pace (4:28:21). So while somewhat slow by distance runner standards, I'm nowhere near walking speed.

Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. [snip] My personal experience: I could run a 500 cal/day deficit (leading to 1lb/week fat loss) by eating 1700 (counted) cal/day (so my body could only pull my energy expenditure down to 2200ish cal/day). (I of course gained all 50-odd pounds back after stopping calorie counting).


I was using MyFitnessPal.com to do the same for a while. It worked, but only after I made some adjustments with regard to the calories burned during exercise. I would go for a 30 mile bike ride and average 17 mph. If you add that into MyFittnessPal's exercise tracker it credits you with 2200 calories burned. But this only judges by weight and age, and not by base levels of fitness and efficiency. I wore a heart rate monitor and used that to calculate calories burned and several different sources put the amount around 1500 calories for me specifically instead. On top of that, you have to deduct 10% to account for net vs gross calories, which means I should only be credited with a 1350 calorie burn. That's almost 900 calories difference in the end.

What happened with my plateau at 200 pounds was that I could no longer cut calories and run the distances I wanted. I would get into 5 miles of a 10 mile run and bonk. So I could eat enough to fuel the runs, but my weight would only be maintained and not reduced. Or I could eat less, run less, and maybe lose more weight. But why? I was happier being 200 and running any distance I wanted.
2012-10-23 10:54:48 AM
1 votes:

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: That's overweight?


Yea, quite obviously so. Possibly obese. Definitely beyond healthy, which is really the important point.

You shouldn't be proud of your flaws, and you should be ashamed of your flaws that you could fix but choose not to or choose to make worse. Not only is it absurd to be proud that you're damaging your health, but it diminishes the fact that some people actually do suffer from flaws outside their reasonable control. I'm out of shape because I don't exercise properly. I don't pretend it's okay because some people have actual degenerative diseases that prevent them from being fit and tone, and I certainly am not proud of my laziness or looking for other people to tell me it's okay that I'm lazy.

Being proud that you can't put down the Häagen-Dazs and greasy bucket of fried chicken is just laughably stupid.
2012-10-23 10:50:39 AM
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).

Sort of, but if you are eating at a deficit and not losing weight, you are either eating too much or too little. Eating too little (>500 cal deficit) results in farked up metabolism and "starvation mode", while eating too much obviously is bad, too. Roughly speaking, eat bodyweight x 10 calories per day (for sedentary person) and you'll lose weight.


No matter what you're eating, if you're not losing weight, you're not running a calorie deficit.

The point everyone misses in these arguments is that calorie burn is HIGHLY variable from person to person, situation to situation. (I burned 2200 cal/day at 275lb, for example). All of the estimates out there for calories burned are broad rules of thumb, nothing more.

All of the apparent examples of people eating less than they burn, while not losing weight, are due to over-estimation of the burn rate. Nobody's creating energy out of nothing, chances are they're just overestimating their output. Of course there's plenty of underestimation of input out there too; I know as well as anyone that any food you eat standing over the sink does not add to your calorie intake :-).
2012-10-23 10:50:34 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Already mentioned, but that is indeed absolutely incorrect.

I consistently stay about 10-15 lbs underweight, never had kids and I have faded, but noticeable stretch marks on my hips. The hip/butt area grew a bit more than one would expect for a skinny white girl.

Stretch marks on the belly? Ok, maybe I see your point.

This girl is still very cute, but anyone saying she's not overweight is absolutely delusional. It's cool if some of you guys find that body type attractive, but let's call it what it is. That's a big girl.
2012-10-23 10:42:06 AM
1 votes:

ambercricket: IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...

No, it doesn't. Obesity is a serious health problem that can, and should, be treated with diet and exercise. Whether you accept it or not, obesity dramatically increases the risk of a variety of deadly medical problems such as diabetes and heart disease. These diseases will shorten your lifespan. That's a simple fact whether you think it's socially acceptable to be fat or not.


The guy that came up with "Hacker's Diet", that I followed for a couple years, cites this: look around for old people, for fat people, and for old fat people. Note the numerical disparity.

That diet is very simple: count calories, weigh in daily, smooth out water etc. weight fluctuations with a moving average, adjust calorie targets to maintain desired loss rate.

It works well (it pretty much has to). It's also impossible to stick to long-term. (I lost 50 lb from it over 1.5ish years, gained it all back after stopping the counting).
2012-10-23 10:38:01 AM
1 votes:

peachfish: People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.


Sorry, you follow the laws of thermodynamics like everyone else in the universe. 20 floors a day isn't exactly a lot when it comes to calorie burning or cardio (maybe if you are sprinting all 20 floors consecutively, then it might). I guarantee you that your diet is the cause of it -- either you are eating too much or too little (and thus, starvation mode). Weigh your food (always go by weight, not volume), figure out your TDEE, and eat 500 calories less than it.

WinoRhino: I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.


I am guessing you are eating too much then. You follow the laws of thermodynamics just like everything else in our universe. Running actually doesn't burn that many calories (130 calories per mile). So if you ran 10 miles, that is 1300 calories, or roughly 2 big macs.
2012-10-23 10:32:59 AM
1 votes:

FilmBELOH20: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.


Well, that's always the classic excuse that people use to stick their nose where it doesn't belong, isn't it? Again, conflating personal choice with moral righteousness. I guess, judging by your statement, add to that an air of entitlement.

Just because something affects you, what makes you think you're absolutely entitled to have a say in the matter? I'm not saying you necessarily don't, but you seem to be saying that you necessarily do. How far do you take that? Are you entitled to have a say in everything that everybody does that even remotely affects you?

To more directly answer your question, I'd say that in the case of a hypothetical universal health care, your taxes should go to help those people because they're people, with the same fragile nature and weaknesses that you have. Just because their weaknesses may be different from yours, does not mean that you don't have any. Would you prefer we all judge each other to the point that nobody helps anybody because all of us deserve the worst as a result of our vices?
2012-10-23 10:26:38 AM
1 votes:
I hate this shiat. You are NOT hot because you say so, and every body is not beautiful.
2012-10-23 10:26:31 AM
1 votes:
She's overweight. She doesn't look very good. Sorry.

But no one cares. No one told her she couldn't be proud of herself, or take self pics like a high school girl. Go nuts, take all the pics you want. Everyone is somebody's fetish, right?

I just don't understand who this defiant act is directed toward.
2012-10-23 10:24:44 AM
1 votes:

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.




Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.
2012-10-23 10:22:58 AM
1 votes:

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.


So your friends violate the laws of thermodynamics? You should tell a scientist so they can study them and we can fix our oil dependency.

Odds are they are eating more than they tell you.
2012-10-23 10:22:41 AM
1 votes:

Litig8r: You're the jerk... jerk: Have you ever been to a marathon? I can count on one hand the number of overweight people I have seen finish with reasonable time. You can't use the exceptions as your basis that being overweight is perfectly fine and do not end up as a burden on society.

I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.


I think anything under 4 hours is respectable. Sub 3 hours and you've qualified for Boston in any age and gender group.
2012-10-23 10:21:48 AM
1 votes:

Oafmeel: When he tried the same act on me, I told him with a straight face that (a) weight and physical form aren't character flaws,


Oh, yes they most certainly are.

Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw. It is disrespectful to your own self to allow your body to become unhealthy/grotesque. You body is a gift, you only have one, so to let yourself become fat/obese/unhealthy is a character flaw. Frankly, I see really obese people as mentally ill.

Granted, its not like we all don't have character flaws, but being fat is an obvious one and says something about the person, namely they don't have self control and don't care enough about the most precious possession a person can have to put the fork down and take care of themselves properly. This effects other aspect of their life, including personal relationships with others.

One of my character flaws is I can be an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want. Fatties? No so much.
2012-10-23 10:20:39 AM
1 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: America's obesity epidemic isn't just the result of people driving their cars a block to buy 104oz sodas, its also the inevitable result of a government that subsidizes the fattiest, crappiest food available, and corn; lots and lots of corn. Solving the problem will take a lot more than just making fun of fat chicks, we need to elect leaders who aren't beholden to the companies that produce this junk, so they stop getting subsidized, so the cheapest food available isn't 2000 calories a serving.


Shhhh...you're making too much sense. Everyone's having too much fun being judgmental.
2012-10-23 10:20:25 AM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Paging studman69, studman69 to thread 7396184...

/fark you. Takes all kinds to make up the world
//Not everyone finds a bag of antlers attractive.


She's obese. There's a lot of room between her and a "bag of antlers". Many beautiful, not too skinny girls in between those two extremes.

And her diatribe about it being "her business" and not anyone else's was contradicted by her once she started posting pics of herself in underwear in public places. By doing that, and adding a diatribe meant to be read by everyone, she herself made her obesity other peoples business. Attention whores come in all sizes.
2012-10-23 10:16:56 AM
1 votes:

astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."


I'm going to go full on ITG here, but marathons are considered short distances in my social circle.
There's plenty of overweight ultrarunners, myself included. I'm honest with myself that it's because of my diet, and because losing weight isn't a huge priority. Like your friends, losing weight isn't my goal and it is also hard to lose weight while still maintaining a training schedule, since you need to be mostly calorie neutral during your long runs or you'll bonk.

Thing is, your friends are probably comfortable with their weights. If they are, that's great for them.
This isn't the blog post of somebody who's comfortable with her weight. This is the bog post of somebody who wants to be comfortable with her weight, because she sees that as an easier way out than working hard.
2012-10-23 10:14:22 AM
1 votes:
I'm not going to pat someone on the back and celebrate them for smoking a pack a day so why would I do the same with someone who's obese? Sure, mocking people for being fat is cruel and not actually helpful, but just because the mockers are fools and assholes doesn't mean you're totally okay.
2012-10-23 10:05:54 AM
1 votes:
She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.
2012-10-23 10:03:34 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.


Yes, clearly those tiny changes fix everything for every body. God knows no fat person has EVER tried that before. They're all too lazy and totally lacking in self control.
2012-10-23 10:03:18 AM
1 votes:

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Um, wrong. I have seen many adolescents who got striae via a particulary fast growth spurt.
2012-10-23 10:01:38 AM
1 votes:

mostlygray: I hate sugar. Never drink soda. Never eat candy. Love vegetables. Excessive regularly and vigorously.


Well, the excessive vegetables can still make you fat. Sure, it's better than excessive candy, but the basic principles are the same.
Or, if you just mean you "love" the vegatables regularly, excessively, and vigorously, well talk about TMI.

mostlygray: F you sir. For some of us, it's not easy. Offer encouragement, not criticism.

/20 lbs down and counting...


In all seriousness, good for you. People who actually give a crap about their body get the encouragement you're looking for. People who give up and resort to acceptance and writing whiny blog posts get criticism.
2012-10-23 10:00:00 AM
1 votes:

mostlygray:
F you sir. For some of us, it's not easy. Offer encouragement, not criticism.


Well, if you want encouragement, lab-style experiments on humans have shown that someone severely overweight can run a crash diet of nothing but vitamins (the thing your body can't get from burning fat) and water for up to a couple weeks without actual ill effect until you start actually running out of body fat to burn.

It was also discovered that literally every single test subject, despite the extremely good results, found this ridiculously unpleasant.

So consider that there's always a theoretically less pleasant alternative to calorie counting, exercise, and self control. That may keep your whinging to a minimum, at least.
2012-10-23 09:59:41 AM
1 votes:

WinoRhino: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

You equate being overweight with being unhealthy. It's not always true.


True. I am glad this girl is comfortable and hope she is healthy.
2012-10-23 09:57:20 AM
1 votes:

vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


You equate being overweight with being unhealthy. It's not always true.
2012-10-23 09:56:57 AM
1 votes:
It didn't say anything about her having kids but those marks on her tummy say otherwise. I wouldn't date her because it would be physically impossible to handle her being on top. She would crush me like a grape.
2012-10-23 09:55:29 AM
1 votes:

astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.


It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.
2012-10-23 09:55:14 AM
1 votes:
Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."
2012-10-23 09:55:02 AM
1 votes:
She's cute. if you don't like the way a person looks, stfu and leave the liking to the rest of us.
2012-10-23 09:54:49 AM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: vermicious k'nid: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be


And not dip into other peoples' Medicare contributions? Why should the fit subsidize the unfit? Darwin, farker.

I attended a conference on medical care and read a related HMO CEO report recently, and senior healthcare providers admit that they really can't see how the current health system can go on much longer. The overweight in America are government-subsidized, to put it bluntly. When that subsidization dries up, the fatties will literally be left at hospital curbsides unless they are wealthy. What can't go on, won't go on.
2012-10-23 09:50:20 AM
1 votes:
Oh wow, I was there for this. Cool.

I'm gonna re-post this from another forum I went trolling on because her pic was what inspired it and the backlash was epic, "And for all the idiots that go "HURR HURR FATTIE", I'd love to see their pictures. Chance are me and my fat arse are dating, have dated and/or slept with faaararrr sexier and more successful than you. If you ain't some fox whose tail I'm chasin', I don't give a rat's butt what you think about my tattooed thunder-thighs. Nine times out of ten the guys who pull the "you sound fat" line are the most boring looking socially inept dime-a-dozen Joe Shmoes on the planet and I don't think they realize how freakin' funnny and sad that is. Anyone can go to the gym for two weeks and have those abs and toned arms that look great in photos with disproportionately skinny legs and a boring backside, but honey come back to me when you can deadlift 450lbs and back up that 'better than you' attitude with some wide shoulders, thick muscles and a full body that gives you the right. In the meantime? That big-bodied boy is exactly who I'M going home to. All 200lbs of me."
2012-10-23 09:50:01 AM
1 votes:

Oafmeel: (a) weight and physical form aren't character flaws


No but often they are a sign of them.


astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails


She is well beyond pudgy. And unless you increase what you eat a lot whiel training for a marathon, you will lose weight.
2012-10-23 09:47:46 AM
1 votes:

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Holy crap you people suck this morning.

She's happy, who cares.


(1) She's intentionally posting the photo in places whose entire purpose is public comments (FB, for instance). We didn't randomly start mocking her, she brought it up.

(2) People in her health insurance pool probably care, since they're subsidizing her unhealthy habits.

//Waiting for the "but what about people who smoke/skydive/rock-climb" people to out themselves as couch potatoes (since anyone who does skydive or rock-climb knows that you actually have to buy separate insurance for either, they're not typically covered by standard health insurance pools.
2012-10-23 09:43:10 AM
1 votes:
encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com
2012-10-23 09:42:59 AM
1 votes:
I can understand liking your body but this generation of all shapes and sizes are ok has a byproduct ofto dangerous obesity.
2012-10-23 09:41:17 AM
1 votes:

Kit Fister: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Paging studman69, studman69 to thread 7396184...

/fark you. Takes all kinds to make up the world
//Not everyone finds a bag of antlers attractive.


I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.
2012-10-23 09:41:07 AM
1 votes:
And in the second picture she is "layering" her clothing. A common way to dress in order to disguise the fat. So which is it, proud or still a bit ashamed? We know the
answer to that. No one wants to be fat.
2012-10-23 09:40:46 AM
1 votes:
Most people I know who were overweight got fed up with being made fun of and lost all their weight. So, letting it be won't modify your lifestyle/diet, but being made fun of can have a positive effect on your health. It gives you that motivation to lose the weight, and keep it off. That being said, I don't find her attractive. I start at the face, and I just don't think shes good looking.
2012-10-23 09:40:26 AM
1 votes:
Curves are nice on a girl. But the waist is supposed to curve in, not out.
2012-10-23 09:38:44 AM
1 votes:
i49.tinypic.com
2012-10-23 09:38:14 AM
1 votes:

blahpers: People die because they have this outlook.


People without this outlook die as well.
2012-10-23 09:32:33 AM
1 votes:

serial_crusher: Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.


It's a modern pastime to lower standards so that we all feel good about ourselves.

Yummy, warm fuzzies, to everyone. Now doesn't that just feel good?

This girl obviously was fatter; notice the stretch marks.

However, she is designed to be "big boned" (that's not your big bone, wanky internet losers). She has a bigger frame and is always going to be a bigger girl.

This has zero bearing on most people, who are fat because they spend too much time at their jobs and televisions/internets and not enough time, you know, walking around and experiencing actual life.
2012-10-23 09:29:13 AM
1 votes:

Lady Indica: Am bisexual and tend to be much more judgemental of females sexually by appearance than males


Ah, no. You don't.
2012-10-23 09:28:56 AM
1 votes:
Ive noticed a lot of people that have a problem with fat people are smokers who are angry because they cant blow smoke into peoples faces while they are eating anymore.
2012-10-23 09:27:10 AM
1 votes:

karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.


OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.
2012-10-23 09:24:06 AM
1 votes:
I'm figuring we're 5-10 years away from the end of obesity. Not through education or exercise, but through dietary changes as companies find ways to make cheap foods that are good for you and actually taste good. Very few fat people choose food that is bad for them when they have a good for them alternative that costs and tastes the same. The problem up until now has been taste and mouth feel.
2012-10-23 09:20:52 AM
1 votes:

vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.
2012-10-23 09:20:45 AM
1 votes:

karmachameleon: The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else.


Well put. There are enough women of your preference to fap to on the internet. Kindly leave the rest alone.
2012-10-23 09:13:51 AM
1 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip
2012-10-23 09:13:13 AM
1 votes:

notmtwain: WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT


Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.


This is my disapproving comment, DEAL WITH IT.
2012-10-23 09:12:55 AM
1 votes:

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


You sound like exactly the kind of stupid farking smug-faced asshole I just described above.
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 09:11:40 AM
1 votes:
Young enough to be my daughter....no comment.
2012-10-23 09:10:05 AM
1 votes:
I like self confident women. Nothing worse than a women who is so ashamed of her body that she'll only fark with the lights off.
2012-10-23 09:10:00 AM
1 votes:
Where is meow said the dog? I would like this judged properly.
2012-10-23 08:01:46 AM
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i595.photobucket.com
Heeeeeeeeey...hungry lady.
Op op op op oppan om-nom style!
2012-10-23 07:58:25 AM
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Millions of super skinny white guys and white-girl-seeking black guys would be perfectly happy with her.
2012-10-23 07:22:31 AM
1 votes:
Cushing's?
 
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