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(Daily Mail)   The woman who sparked a debate on beauty after Facebook picture in her underwear. Warning: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 439
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2012-10-23 07:22:31 AM
Cushing's?
 
2012-10-23 07:29:21 AM
I've lost about 30lbs since last Christmas, but I don't think I've ever "celebrated" myself, before or after.

/I'd still take her home from the bar
 
2012-10-23 07:31:51 AM
She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!
 
2012-10-23 07:39:38 AM
You go Stella!
 
2012-10-23 07:58:25 AM
Millions of super skinny white guys and white-girl-seeking black guys would be perfectly happy with her.
 
2012-10-23 08:01:46 AM
i595.photobucket.com
Heeeeeeeeey...hungry lady.
Op op op op oppan om-nom style!
 
2012-10-23 08:03:22 AM
WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT



Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.
 
2012-10-23 08:17:52 AM
I'd Friend then Poke her.

Dare I say: I'd even give her the Boonshaft.
 
2012-10-23 08:46:12 AM
She's cute. I'd hit it.
 
2012-10-23 09:00:32 AM

Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!


Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.
 
2012-10-23 09:02:31 AM
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.
 
2012-10-23 09:06:57 AM
Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.
 
2012-10-23 09:07:45 AM
Attention whores come in all shapes and sizes...
 
2012-10-23 09:08:00 AM
I would feed her my Missouri white snake.
 
2012-10-23 09:08:21 AM

Doctor Funkenstein: [i595.photobucket.com image 253x199]
Heeeeeeeeey...hungry lady.
Op op op op oppan om-nom style!


Cmon man
I was expecting a story about a chubby girl wailing on one of your friends.

/disappoint
//still funny
 
2012-10-23 09:08:44 AM

serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.


Paging studman69, studman69 to thread 7396184...

/fark you. Takes all kinds to make up the world
//Not everyone finds a bag of antlers attractive.
 
2012-10-23 09:08:45 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


You sound hungry and moronic moranic
 
2012-10-23 09:09:13 AM
I'd hit it and never call it again.
 
2012-10-23 09:10:00 AM
Where is meow said the dog? I would like this judged properly.
 
2012-10-23 09:10:05 AM
I like self confident women. Nothing worse than a women who is so ashamed of her body that she'll only fark with the lights off.
 
2012-10-23 09:10:05 AM
She looks like tons of fun.
 
2012-10-23 09:10:06 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.


...sounds familiar...
 
2012-10-23 09:10:19 AM
OK face.

I've hit much worse.

Still a little too much girl, though.
 
2012-10-23 09:10:56 AM

notmtwain: WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT


Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.


you sound fat.
 
2012-10-23 09:11:18 AM
She don't care what people say about her weight, it makes her SASSY!
 
2012-10-23 09:11:25 AM

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


Apples are different than oranges.
 
2012-10-23 09:11:26 AM

Sleeping Monkey: You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices.


You are born fat, actually.
 
2012-10-23 09:11:26 AM

serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.


It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2012-10-23 09:11:40 AM
Young enough to be my daughter....no comment.
 
2012-10-23 09:11:53 AM
She's a pretty one.
 
2012-10-23 09:11:54 AM

Sleeping Monkey: You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices.


I must admit that while she wasn't quite born fat, my 3 month old daughter now looks like she could do advertising for Michelin, and she's normal according to all the growth chart thingamies.
 
2012-10-23 09:12:38 AM

babysealclubber: She looks like tons of fun.


www.vinyl45s.com

Approves.
 
2012-10-23 09:12:52 AM

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


No, no it doesn't.
 
2012-10-23 09:12:55 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


You sound like exactly the kind of stupid farking smug-faced asshole I just described above.
 
2012-10-23 09:13:13 AM

notmtwain: WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT


Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.


This is my disapproving comment, DEAL WITH IT.
 
2012-10-23 09:13:20 AM
Life can be tough when you're born big-boned.
 
2012-10-23 09:13:51 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip
 
2012-10-23 09:14:02 AM

WTFDYW: You sound hungry and moronic moranic


/obligatory response

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


Because you can change your sexual preference through diet and exercise, so it's exactly the same thing.
 
2012-10-23 09:14:42 AM

karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.


It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.
 
2012-10-23 09:14:53 AM
Aw, too bad she didn't get the massive fat tits to go along with the rest of her fatness.

I always pity the fat girls this happens to.
 
2012-10-23 09:15:37 AM
I'm not impressed. Anyone can be fat. What's really tough is being a pretty white girl.
 
2012-10-23 09:15:43 AM
In comparison, she's not really that fat. And she's got a cute face. Definitely not a land whale by far. Land whales...the thought. *shudders*
 
2012-10-23 09:16:45 AM

serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly


This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.
 
2012-10-23 09:17:50 AM

vermicious k'nid: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be
 
2012-10-23 09:19:08 AM

dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.


Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like her who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the

dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.


Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like her who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like you who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the girl she mentions who bullied her when she was 12 and told her to kill herself and she would never be pretty? No, it must be her brain's fault!
 
2012-10-23 09:19:36 AM

Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.


This

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.


And this.

Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.
 
2012-10-23 09:19:38 AM
fatbook.com
 
2012-10-23 09:20:08 AM

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-23 09:20:28 AM
It's all fun and games celebrating obesity until you try to defend your country with the marshmallow brigade.
 
2012-10-23 09:20:31 AM
For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.
 
2012-10-23 09:20:39 AM

Rincewind53: dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.

Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like her who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.

Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing. Might it be the complete assholes like her who tell her she's a bad person because she's fat, like the Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of h ...


Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing
 
2012-10-23 09:20:45 AM

karmachameleon: The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else.


Well put. There are enough women of your preference to fap to on the internet. Kindly leave the rest alone.
 
2012-10-23 09:20:47 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip


yeah, but you don't lose your hand.
 
2012-10-23 09:20:52 AM

vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.
 
2012-10-23 09:21:28 AM
Looks like a lot of people in this thread have a thing for stretch marks, yuck.
 
2012-10-23 09:21:56 AM
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-23 09:22:29 AM
A little thick is fine. It's when the rolls' rolls have rolls that it's a REAL problem.
 
2012-10-23 09:22:45 AM

babysealclubber: Gee, I wonder what might be the cause of her self-loathing


Premature ejacuposting happens to everyone! *cries, runs away*
 
2012-10-23 09:23:35 AM

karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.


Well seriously. It's amazing how many social issues are covered by the "don't be a dick" rule.
 
2012-10-23 09:23:48 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be


It's OK to feel she's entitled to do whatever she wants and still find her far more unattractive than she considers herself?
 
2012-10-23 09:24:06 AM
I'm figuring we're 5-10 years away from the end of obesity. Not through education or exercise, but through dietary changes as companies find ways to make cheap foods that are good for you and actually taste good. Very few fat people choose food that is bad for them when they have a good for them alternative that costs and tastes the same. The problem up until now has been taste and mouth feel.
 
2012-10-23 09:24:24 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be


Always has to be concessions with you fat people.

/Is being fat a protected class yet?
 
2012-10-23 09:24:43 AM

Burr: Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.


Yeah she does.

Burr: I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.


So do I. They tend to have some muscle, she appears to be made of jello.
 
2012-10-23 09:24:45 AM
As a former fat person I have no respect for fatties. Lose some farking weight you fat coont no one wants to see that shiat.. except maybe other fat ugly people.
 
2012-10-23 09:25:06 AM
i171.photobucket.com

She said farking three times.
 
2012-10-23 09:25:23 AM

thecpt: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

yeah, but you don't lose your hand.


I've never had that problem. Thou I have thought my White Chocolate Thunder might split a twig gal into
 
2012-10-23 09:25:50 AM
The stretchmarks aren't terribly attractive, but then there's no reason she should give a crap whether I find her attractive.
 
2012-10-23 09:25:53 AM
Am bisexual and tend to be much more judgemental of females sexually by appearance than males. That being said, I think she's stunning. I'd personally like more curve definition if I'm objectifying her (not thinner, just waist definition), but she's extremely beautiful. I sure wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crackers.
 
2012-10-23 09:27:10 AM

karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.


OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.
 
2012-10-23 09:27:12 AM
Sure, she's fine. But once a woman gets to a certain point, I no longer find her physically attractive. If we had been in a relationship, and she started off thinner, and gained weight to where she is now, I would lose all interest in sex. If I met her now, I would never be interested in a romantic relationship. I can no more change this than a gay man can make himself straight, so I refuse to feel bad about it. I think chubby chasers are lucky; it's got to be easier to get what you want, when what you want is what most guys don't.
 
2012-10-23 09:27:17 AM

flucto: Cushing's?


For the pushings?
 
2012-10-23 09:28:40 AM
This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

Maybe if you don't want people commenting on the choices you make about your body you shouldn't actively parade it in front of tens of thousands of strangers.

And, no, it's not okay to celebrate being a fat-ass. It's one thing to point out that people shouldn't be stupidly obsessed with being thin, but you're not not just chubby, you're obese, and that's unhealthy. It's no better than people being proud to be ignorant. People view your body negatively because your body is a negative aspect of yourself because you keep it in an unhealthy state. You also seem to have a terrible personality and a persecution complex. Did people bully you over them too or did they develop separately?

You're just the whole package, aintcha?
 
2012-10-23 09:28:56 AM
Ive noticed a lot of people that have a problem with fat people are smokers who are angry because they cant blow smoke into peoples faces while they are eating anymore.
 
2012-10-23 09:29:13 AM

Lady Indica: Am bisexual and tend to be much more judgemental of females sexually by appearance than males


Ah, no. You don't.
 
2012-10-23 09:29:18 AM
Those stretch marks are just so sexy.
 
2012-10-23 09:29:57 AM
If your size is none of my business then why is your naked picture on the front page of the paper lardass?
 
2012-10-23 09:30:00 AM

Lady Indica: Am bisexual and tend to be much more judgemental of females sexually by appearance than males.


OK, now, this is important: In the case of men, do you have no standards, or low standards?

/if it's no standards I got a shot
 
2012-10-23 09:30:02 AM

Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.


a) It's sad to me that people can look at that picture and NOT see someone that is obviously unhealthy. Our standards have fallen and now we think that THAT is healthy? I'm not saying that she's going to die of a heart attack tomorrow, but the fact is she isn't in good shape.

b) I know plenty of women that are built "broad" and are healthy. This girl is not built broad. She is short and fat.
 
2012-10-23 09:30:17 AM
A+: I'd wrinkle the sheets with her again.
 
2012-10-23 09:30:37 AM
defend the lard-asses, condemn the smokers!
Cause the fatties with their high blood pressure, heart disease and type 2 diabetes put no strain on the health care system. Nope, none at all.
 
2012-10-23 09:30:40 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Mid_mo_mad_man: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be

Always has to be concessions with you fat people.

/Is being fat a protected class yet?

Nice assuming there buddy. Your half right. At my biggest I was 369 pounds now I'm at 200 in roughly two years. Get the fark off your high horse and let people be.
 
2012-10-23 09:31:08 AM

Toy_Cop: As a former fat person I have no respect for fatties. Lose some farking weight you fat coont no one wants to see that shiat.. except maybe other fat ugly people.


Likewise, I've been in the high BMI zone a couple times and always recognized it as a lifestyle consequence. One day you you wake up and decide 'all right then' and make the changes necessary to get back to your recommended healthy size. You also recognize that it takes time and slow, measured steps to make it last. Unless you plan on dying shortly, BE YOUR PERFECT SELF NOW is about the dumbest method possible no matter how many magazines it sells.
 
2012-10-23 09:31:19 AM

dragonchild: If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better.


People die because they have this outlook.
 
2012-10-23 09:32:33 AM

serial_crusher: Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.


It's a modern pastime to lower standards so that we all feel good about ourselves.

Yummy, warm fuzzies, to everyone. Now doesn't that just feel good?

This girl obviously was fatter; notice the stretch marks.

However, she is designed to be "big boned" (that's not your big bone, wanky internet losers). She has a bigger frame and is always going to be a bigger girl.

This has zero bearing on most people, who are fat because they spend too much time at their jobs and televisions/internets and not enough time, you know, walking around and experiencing actual life.
 
2012-10-23 09:33:34 AM
i1245.photobucket.com approves.
...and so do I.

CSB time:
ex GF has a father who is super critical of her weight. When he tried the same act on me, I told him with a straight face that (a) weight and physical form aren't character flaws, and (b) and if he really thought so, he could eat a bag of dicks for all I cared. We got along just fine after that. Sometimes, you just need to put someone in their place & get on with your own life.
/CSB
 
2012-10-23 09:33:50 AM
She's cute. Yeah she's chub, but she's obviously confident and that's am attractive quality.

I would take her out for a lovely dinner and wish her good night in a respectful manner.
 
2012-10-23 09:34:31 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip


I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.
 
2012-10-23 09:36:36 AM
Just wondering. Is there any kind of example of fat men showing off their de-clothed selves to smash the tyranny of fashion's expectations of what men should look like? Or is every out-of-shape guy supposed to take solace in Kevin James's rise to fame despite being unfunny and out-of-shape?
 
2012-10-23 09:36:56 AM
This woman is awesome and people need to give her props. I saw her at a pie eating contest and she destoryed everyone. Thank god the world of competitive eating actually respects people for their talent and not the way they look. Shame on everyone for worshiping health and fitness. Do yourself a favor and go eat a tub of movie theater popcorn and stop being so self righteous.
 
2012-10-23 09:37:01 AM

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.


Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.
 
2012-10-23 09:37:03 AM

fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.


Maybe in your case, but I'm a human tripod
 
2012-10-23 09:37:20 AM
"Stella Boonshoft"? hmm.

Derrick Boomshaft.
Reggie Pooncleft.
Victor Goonloft.
 
2012-10-23 09:38:14 AM

blahpers: People die because they have this outlook.


People without this outlook die as well.
 
2012-10-23 09:38:44 AM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-23 09:38:55 AM

This text is now purple: Sleeping Monkey: You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices.

You are born fat, actually.


Babies are lazy slobs, always laying around, doing nothing but eating and sleeping.
 
2012-10-23 09:39:15 AM
Two separate issues in play here.

1) I admire her spunk and ability to stand up to those who mocked her and caused her pain. She is in the right and they are in the wrong. Seriously. Good for her.

2) She's fat. She shouldn't just accept it, she should be trying to fix it, dare I say, cure it. Its a farking illness, not a lifestyle. Wouldn't it be nice to go on a run? go dancing? walk up stairs without feeling as if you want to die? be able to put on socks without grunting? not have back pain, neck pain, and sore feet?

This isn't an aesthetic valuation, its health and quality of life.

Eat less. Work/play more. Keep that spunky attitude.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:23 AM
Yeah, look, there's having a positive body image even though you're "fat" because you're just a bit rounder than the average model or a bit into overweight but still healthy. This is having a positive outlook, and both mentally and socially it is in fact a good thing.

There is also having a positive body image even though you're fat, no quotes, because you're in a weight category for your height so definitively and unarguably unhealthy that my insurance premiums went up just looking at your picture. This is being delusional, and it is mentally a mild derangement and socially an entirely merited reason for ridicule, because your inability to take basic care of yourself is a financial drain on the pool of money the rest of us use to get medical care for conditions we couldn't easily avoid with a completely trivial amount of effort.

Basically, no, you should have a negative body image because your body is literally, medically speaking a bad body, because you've cared for it poorly. You should feel bad, perhaps that shame will motivate you to start bloody well taking care of yourself.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:25 AM
Holy crap you people suck this morning.

She's happy, who cares.

I went through puberty the same year I joined cross country. I ran 500 miles that year (not including whatever I ran for track in the spring). I stopped drinking pop and eating fast food, mainly because running on an upset stomach sucked.

And I gained weight, not all of it muscle. Puberty is a biatch, hormones all a crazy. Thankfully, I didn't have anyone *personally* tormenting me, other than myself wondering why the f--k I wasn't skinner than other girls on the team I could outrun... then eventually slapped myself awake and realized that if eating healthy, not drinking unnecessary calories, and being absurdly active got me to that weight, then so be it.

Eventually things settled down, but holy crap.

In summation: f--k you, f--k you, you're cool girl, f--k you, I'm out.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:26 AM
Curves are nice on a girl. But the waist is supposed to curve in, not out.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:46 AM
Most people I know who were overweight got fed up with being made fun of and lost all their weight. So, letting it be won't modify your lifestyle/diet, but being made fun of can have a positive effect on your health. It gives you that motivation to lose the weight, and keep it off. That being said, I don't find her attractive. I start at the face, and I just don't think shes good looking.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:47 AM
i86.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 09:40:57 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.

Maybe in your case, but I'm a human tripod


It does suck when you accidently hit an organ or something (thats what I assumes happens at least). Its awkward, but I can't imagine its more awkward than when you cant tell whats lumpy mattress and what isn't
 
2012-10-23 09:41:07 AM
And in the second picture she is "layering" her clothing. A common way to dress in order to disguise the fat. So which is it, proud or still a bit ashamed? We know the
answer to that. No one wants to be fat.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:17 AM

Kit Fister: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Paging studman69, studman69 to thread 7396184...

/fark you. Takes all kinds to make up the world
//Not everyone finds a bag of antlers attractive.


I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:32 AM

astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.


Are your runner friends women that are (probably) 40lbs overweight like this girl? Remember, muscle weighs more than fat, so if they're going strictly by the numbers then they are always going to be "overweight" if they're muscular.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:48 AM

johncb76006: Those stretch marks are just so sexy.


In her habitual state of runaway gluttony, she has eaten so much food that her gut is expanding to the point that her skin must make special adaptations to keep her internal organs inside her body. Just the thought of that, combined with the pure aesthetic characteristic of dark and jagged blemishes running down her midsection, makes her unattractive to me. There must be something wrong with me.
 
2012-10-23 09:41:52 AM
It's some sort of land-cow!
 
2012-10-23 09:42:44 AM

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


Gay isn't a choice; fat is.
 
2012-10-23 09:42:59 AM
I can understand liking your body but this generation of all shapes and sizes are ok has a byproduct ofto dangerous obesity.
 
2012-10-23 09:43:10 AM
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2012-10-23 09:43:48 AM

notmtwain: WARNING: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves. Well I'm not going to stand for that. This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
If my big belly and fat arms and stretch marks and thick thighs offend you, then that's okay. I'm not going to hide my body and my being to benefit your delicate sensitivities.
This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)
This picture is for the boy at the party who told me I looked like a beached whale.
This picture is for Emily from middle school, who bullied me incessantly, made mocking videos about me, sent me nasty emails, and called me "lard". She made me feel like I didn't deserve to exist. Just because I happened to be bigger than her. I was 12. And she continued to bully me via social media into high school.
MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin. Who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was.
I'm so over that.
THIS IS MY BODY, DEAL WITH IT


Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-23 09:44:29 AM

thecpt: Mid_mo_mad_man: fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.

Maybe in your case, but I'm a human tripod

It does suck when you accidently hit an organ or something (thats what I assumes happens at least). Its awkward, but I can't imagine its more awkward than when you cant tell whats lumpy mattress and what isn't


Actually I never had that problem. Thou I had them say it was hitting the back of throat
 
2012-10-23 09:44:49 AM

This text is now purple: Sleeping Monkey: You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices.

You are born fat, actually.


If your parents are fat.
 
2012-10-23 09:45:37 AM
BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties
 
2012-10-23 09:45:46 AM

Gary Coleman's kidneys: And in the second picture she is "layering" her clothing. A common way to dress in order to disguise the fat. So which is it, proud or still a bit ashamed? We know the
answer to that. No one wants to be fat.


It's autumn, about 90% of the women in the city are dressed like that.
 
2012-10-23 09:45:46 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Holy crap you people suck this morning.

She's happy, who cares.

I went through puberty the same year I joined cross country. I ran 500 miles that year (not including whatever I ran for track in the spring). I stopped drinking pop and eating fast food, mainly because running on an upset stomach sucked.

And I gained weight, not all of it muscle. Puberty is a biatch, hormones all a crazy. Thankfully, I didn't have anyone *personally* tormenting me, other than myself wondering why the f--k I wasn't skinner than other girls on the team I could outrun... then eventually slapped myself awake and realized that if eating healthy, not drinking unnecessary calories, and being absurdly active got me to that weight, then so be it.

Eventually things settled down, but holy crap.

In summation: f--k you, f--k you, you're cool girl, f--k you, I'm out.


Thank you.
 
2012-10-23 09:47:10 AM
You know, I wouldn't have minded the photo if it wasn't for the comment that went with it. Seems hate breeds hate.
 
2012-10-23 09:47:46 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: Holy crap you people suck this morning.

She's happy, who cares.


(1) She's intentionally posting the photo in places whose entire purpose is public comments (FB, for instance). We didn't randomly start mocking her, she brought it up.

(2) People in her health insurance pool probably care, since they're subsidizing her unhealthy habits.

//Waiting for the "but what about people who smoke/skydive/rock-climb" people to out themselves as couch potatoes (since anyone who does skydive or rock-climb knows that you actually have to buy separate insurance for either, they're not typically covered by standard health insurance pools.
 
2012-10-23 09:48:04 AM

kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties


You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men
 
2012-10-23 09:49:38 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Actually I never had that problem. Thou I had them say it was hitting the back of throat


That doesn't seem physically possible

t1.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-23 09:50:01 AM

Oafmeel: (a) weight and physical form aren't character flaws


No but often they are a sign of them.


astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails


She is well beyond pudgy. And unless you increase what you eat a lot whiel training for a marathon, you will lose weight.
 
2012-10-23 09:50:07 AM
Give her a break guys she has a glandular disease that causes her to be fat, so she actually has a valid excuse. Plus her disease causes her to hardly menstruate, and almost never ovulate, and be infertile. So plenty of chubby chasing barebacking fun. One of the few who has a valid excuse. Though her spike in hormone levels might be the cause of the real problem, the attention whoring.


As another poster said the real sexism is from fat chicks for men they are looking to date. Read any dating site and most fat womens descriptions are these "Gorgeous outgoing blond who is a tad bit on the fluffy side, there is just more of me to laugh and I am not changing this hips for nothing! Looking for tall, dark, handsome, full head of hair, large shoulders, chiseled torso, someone who can throw this big gal around. Sorry, not interested in guys who do not take care of themselves, or have baldspots."

/wife is hot and not too thin or too fat, they only people who say she is skinny are fat chicks. Wife isn't an AW with her good looks.
 
2012-10-23 09:50:10 AM

vermicious k'nid: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

Are your runner friends women that are (probably) 40lbs overweight like this girl? Remember, muscle weighs more than fat, so if they're going strictly by the numbers then they are always going to be "overweight" if they're muscular.


They're similar in build, if not chubbier. And they're constantly active. Myself, despite regularly running 5K's, weight training, and eating well, have found it impossible to lose any substantial weight postpartum. Not looking for advice, I've done everything. It just ain't happening. Even so, blood pressure's low, cholesterol levels are "excellent," and am pretty impressively strong. Sometimes it's better to stop beating your head against a wall trying to have the culturally approved body type and just accept what you've got.
 
2012-10-23 09:50:20 AM
Oh wow, I was there for this. Cool.

I'm gonna re-post this from another forum I went trolling on because her pic was what inspired it and the backlash was epic, "And for all the idiots that go "HURR HURR FATTIE", I'd love to see their pictures. Chance are me and my fat arse are dating, have dated and/or slept with faaararrr sexier and more successful than you. If you ain't some fox whose tail I'm chasin', I don't give a rat's butt what you think about my tattooed thunder-thighs. Nine times out of ten the guys who pull the "you sound fat" line are the most boring looking socially inept dime-a-dozen Joe Shmoes on the planet and I don't think they realize how freakin' funnny and sad that is. Anyone can go to the gym for two weeks and have those abs and toned arms that look great in photos with disproportionately skinny legs and a boring backside, but honey come back to me when you can deadlift 450lbs and back up that 'better than you' attitude with some wide shoulders, thick muscles and a full body that gives you the right. In the meantime? That big-bodied boy is exactly who I'M going home to. All 200lbs of me."
 
2012-10-23 09:51:50 AM

thecpt: Mid_mo_mad_man: Actually I never had that problem. Thou I had them say it was hitting the back of throat

That doesn't seem physically possible

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Go talk to your bow legged sisters
 
2012-10-23 09:52:05 AM
Nice stretch marks!
 
2012-10-23 09:52:11 AM
This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.
 
2012-10-23 09:52:11 AM
She's markedly overweight. If she wants to be that weight, fine. But she's carrying too much fat and too little muscle to do so in a healthy fashion. And all of the self-confidence and self-esteem in the world won't change that fact. Is it her business if she wants to be like that? Sure. But let's not pretend that it's normal, healthy, or that most people aren't attracted to that look. And it's not simply because people don't like fat; it's also because the overwhelming majority of people who look like she does look that way because they take in too many calories and they exercise too little and that lifestyle says a great deal about the mind within the body. It says she doesn't care about her health. It says she lacks self-control. And it says she over-weights the short term pleasure of eating and not exercising versus the long term health and appearance benefits of a reasonable caloric intake and exercise. And she will be less healthy and likely die younger as a result.

In simplest terms, it's not just that people don't want to be with a fatass, it's that they don't want to be with someone who exhibits all the signs of someone who is, internally, the kind of person whose behaviors generate that type of body.
 
2012-10-23 09:52:15 AM
She's cute and a little heavy, and that beats skinny and ugly (or stupid) any day of the week.
 
2012-10-23 09:52:36 AM
Fark needs it own fatty tag or fatty hate tag. Everyday now there is an article in which all the farkers congregate in the comments and hate on any woman who is less than model standard.
 
2012-10-23 09:53:06 AM

vermicious k'nid: She don't care what people say about her weight, it makes her SASSY!


whatsadolltodo.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-23 09:53:22 AM

machoprogrammer: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

This

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

And this.

Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.



I hate sugar. Never drink soda. Never eat candy. Love vegetables. Excessive regularly and vigorously. Yet I'm still fat. I grew up on a farm and worked heavy manual labor from sunrise to sunset yet was still fat in high school.

I've spent my entire life feeling that I am less of a person because of my weight.

Even at my lightest I was never slim. The inability to reach my goal weight drove me to give up on taking care of myself for a long time. I'm finally getting myself healthy again. It took becoming hypertensive to do so. In order to motivate myself, I have to understand that goal weight is not important. It's about health. My BP is finally back down to where it should be and that what is important. Not some jackasses opinion. I'll never be thin and I'm OK with that.

F you sir. For some of us, it's not easy. Offer encouragement, not criticism.

/20 lbs down and counting...
 
2012-10-23 09:54:47 AM
i.imgur.com

These are my teeth. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about them, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my teeth, ARE NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

/Why won't anyone kiss me?
 
2012-10-23 09:54:49 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: vermicious k'nid: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Or maybe everybody should mind their own business and let people be


And not dip into other peoples' Medicare contributions? Why should the fit subsidize the unfit? Darwin, farker.

I attended a conference on medical care and read a related HMO CEO report recently, and senior healthcare providers admit that they really can't see how the current health system can go on much longer. The overweight in America are government-subsidized, to put it bluntly. When that subsidization dries up, the fatties will literally be left at hospital curbsides unless they are wealthy. What can't go on, won't go on.
 
2012-10-23 09:55:02 AM
She's cute. if you don't like the way a person looks, stfu and leave the liking to the rest of us.
 
2012-10-23 09:55:14 AM
Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."
 
2012-10-23 09:55:29 AM

astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.


It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.
 
2012-10-23 09:55:48 AM
Attention whore is fat. news at 11.
 
2012-10-23 09:55:56 AM

FilmBELOH20: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.


Counterpoint, you live in the U.S.. You have never paid one penny in taxes towards universal healthcare. It's none of your farking business.
 
2012-10-23 09:55:59 AM
What's funny is that most of these "my size is none of your business" thin-privilege women also would deride most of you weirdos as "chubby chasers" and "bbw lovers", and insist you stop commenting on amd fetishizing their looks.
 
2012-10-23 09:56:26 AM

vermicious k'nid: Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


FilmBELOH20: doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts?


See theincidentaleconomist.com for actual numbers on this (post titled "blame du jour"). They do detailed analysis of what makes US health care more expensive than everywhere else, and prevalence of all conditions (not just porkitude) accounts for just a tiny bit of that. (We're spending 2-3 TIMES as much per person, after all).

Worrying about fatties' contribution to collective health care expenses is like worrying about PBS's contribution to the Federal budget. It's something, but tiny in the grand scheme of things. To take the example above, type II diabetes is cheap as hell to treat (Target will hook you up with a month's worth of metformin for $4, before insurance).
 
2012-10-23 09:56:51 AM

Jim_Callahan: StreetlightInTheGhetto: Holy crap you people suck this morning.

She's happy, who cares.

(1) She's intentionally posting the photo in places whose entire purpose is public comments (FB, for instance). We didn't randomly start mocking her, she brought it up.

(2) People in her health insurance pool probably care, since they're subsidizing her unhealthy habits.

//Waiting for the "but what about people who smoke/skydive/rock-climb" people to out themselves as couch potatoes (since anyone who does skydive or rock-climb knows that you actually have to buy separate insurance for either, they're not typically covered by standard health insurance pools.


(1)

The image came to be posted after Stella, a NYU student, spotted Brandon on the street in Manhattan and asked if she could take a picture of him.

In return, he asked to take a picture of her - and later posted the picture of her in a bikini which appears on her blog.


(2)

And I'd like my health insurer to adjust rates for smokers, people who eat microwave popcorn or anyone who has (unless it's just kernels in a brown paper bag maybe with a bit of oil, then you get a bonus discount because you're not a total idiot), anyone who eats at a fast food restaurant more than once a week, inactive people (skinny or not, since slightly overweight but active people are healthier than skinny inactive people), anyone who lives near a coal power plant, anyone who has attended a rave or a Phish concert in the past, bikers who commute while inhaling exhaust, anyone who honestly liked that Friday song because your stupidity means you're more likely to get in an accident that I have to subsidize...
 
2012-10-23 09:56:56 AM

Molavian: Aw, too bad she didn't get the massive fat tits to go along with the rest of her fatness.

I always pity the fat girls this happens to.


This.
 
2012-10-23 09:56:57 AM
It didn't say anything about her having kids but those marks on her tummy say otherwise. I wouldn't date her because it would be physically impossible to handle her being on top. She would crush me like a grape.
 
2012-10-23 09:57:11 AM
So she's proudly proclaiming that fat chicks can be attention whores, too!

// I want my wife to lose 20 lbs by next week, otherwise I think she needs to take a drug to make it happen.
 
2012-10-23 09:57:20 AM

vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


You equate being overweight with being unhealthy. It's not always true.
 
2012-10-23 09:58:21 AM
She's fat, dim-witted, and an attention whore.

WHAT'S NOT TO LOVE???
 
2012-10-23 09:59:05 AM

Sleeping Monkey:
Because you can change your sexual preference through diet and exercise, so it's exactly the same thing.


I've seen formerly straight men decide to eat a lot of c*ck and then came out as gay, so I'm gonna say yes.

/Well, haven't seen it personally, but...
 
2012-10-23 09:59:23 AM
I bet she takes big poops.



/got nothing else
 
2012-10-23 09:59:41 AM

WinoRhino: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

You equate being overweight with being unhealthy. It's not always true.


True. I am glad this girl is comfortable and hope she is healthy.
 
2012-10-23 09:59:58 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: thecpt: Mid_mo_mad_man: Actually I never had that problem. Thou I had them say it was hitting the back of throat

That doesn't seem physically possible

[t1.gstatic.com image 299x168]

Go talk to your bow legged sisters


damnit, we were having fun and then you had to bring my non-existent bow-legged sisters into this. Go hold a camera you tripod jackass.

/still just for teh lulz, I don't like name calling
 
2012-10-23 10:00:00 AM

mostlygray:
F you sir. For some of us, it's not easy. Offer encouragement, not criticism.


Well, if you want encouragement, lab-style experiments on humans have shown that someone severely overweight can run a crash diet of nothing but vitamins (the thing your body can't get from burning fat) and water for up to a couple weeks without actual ill effect until you start actually running out of body fat to burn.

It was also discovered that literally every single test subject, despite the extremely good results, found this ridiculously unpleasant.

So consider that there's always a theoretically less pleasant alternative to calorie counting, exercise, and self control. That may keep your whinging to a minimum, at least.
 
2012-10-23 10:00:51 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Just want to counter that and say myself, average/thin at 5'3" and 120lbs, got them on my ass when I went from little girl to, "are you legal yet, cause god damn that ass don't quit".

I blame it on my African American genes. But none the less, lots of people do get stretch marks simply from growth spurts.
 
2012-10-23 10:01:38 AM

mostlygray: I hate sugar. Never drink soda. Never eat candy. Love vegetables. Excessive regularly and vigorously.


Well, the excessive vegetables can still make you fat. Sure, it's better than excessive candy, but the basic principles are the same.
Or, if you just mean you "love" the vegatables regularly, excessively, and vigorously, well talk about TMI.

mostlygray: F you sir. For some of us, it's not easy. Offer encouragement, not criticism.

/20 lbs down and counting...


In all seriousness, good for you. People who actually give a crap about their body get the encouragement you're looking for. People who give up and resort to acceptance and writing whiny blog posts get criticism.
 
2012-10-23 10:02:03 AM

Sleeping Monkey: It's all fun and games celebrating obesity until you try to defend your country with the marshmallow brigade.


upload.wikimedia.org

To die is to be a counterfeit, for he is but the counterfeit of
a man who hath not the life of a man; but to counterfeit dying,
when a man thereby liveth, is to be no counterfeit, but the true
and perfect image of life indeed. The better part of valor is
discretion, in the which better part I have sav'd my life.
Henry The Fourth, Part 1 Act 5, scene 4, 115-121
 
2012-10-23 10:02:16 AM

machoprogrammer: Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.


Likewise, anyone can be monogamous, anyone can remain a virgin until marriage, anyone can learn quantum mechanics, anyone can speak foreign languages, and anyone can build a house. Glad we cleared that up.

I'm glad staying thin is easy for you (seriously). Some of the things on this list are easy for me, but losing weight is not among them, unfortunately.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:18 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Um, wrong. I have seen many adolescents who got striae via a particulary fast growth spurt.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:26 AM

babysealclubber: IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...

Apples are different than oranges.



Some people think cucumbers taste better when pickled.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:34 AM

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.


Yes, clearly those tiny changes fix everything for every body. God knows no fat person has EVER tried that before. They're all too lazy and totally lacking in self control.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:40 AM

thecpt: Mid_mo_mad_man: thecpt: Mid_mo_mad_man: Actually I never had that problem. Thou I had them say it was hitting the back of throat

That doesn't seem physically possible

[t1.gstatic.com image 299x168]

Go talk to your bow legged sisters

damnit, we were having fun and then you had to bring my non-existent bow-legged sisters into this. Go hold a camera you tripod jackass.

/still just for teh lulz, I don't like name calling


When they get their first taste of my white chocolate thunder. They always want more. Ask ya mom
 
2012-10-23 10:03:53 AM

serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.


Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."
 
2012-10-23 10:05:37 AM

astoreth: Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS.


My god, can't they do ANYTHING in moderation?


/I kid.
 
2012-10-23 10:05:54 AM
She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.
 
2012-10-23 10:05:58 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And I'd like my health insurer to adjust rates for smokers, people who eat microwave popcorn or anyone who has (unless it's just kernels in a brown paper bag maybe with a bit of oil, then you get a bonus discount because you're not a total idiot), anyone who eats at a fast food restaurant more than once a week, inactive people (skinny or not, since slightly overweight but active people are healthier than skinny inactive people), anyone who lives near a coal power plant, anyone who has attended a rave or a Phish concert in the past, bikers who commute while inhaling exhaust, anyone who honestly liked that Friday song because your stupidity means you're more likely to get in an accident that I have to subsidize...


Smokers already pay a higher rate.

Microwave popcorn and fast food are covered by charging overweight people more, which actually some insurers have started doing.

Bikers are statistically a lower risk for most things health insurance covers, so that would be dumb.

People that actually caught something at that rave have a pre-existing condition that's not covered.

People that liked the Friday song are all on dependent insurance anyhow because they're 12 and that's required by law (at least in the US) so not much you can do about it.

So... given that all of your concerns are either stupid, legally impossible, already in effect, or put into effect by raising premiums on fatties, I guess I can count your vote as in favor of the fattie tax, then?
 
2012-10-23 10:06:15 AM
she has a pretty face and curves, and it seems like a bad ass personality - count me in (don't tell my wife though)

I'd give her 51 shades of gray if you know what I mean
 
2012-10-23 10:06:21 AM

Prevailing Wind: Wouldn't it be nice to go on a run? go dancing? walk up stairs without feeling as if you want to die? be able to put on socks without grunting? not have back pain, neck pain, and sore feet?


Not all people who look fat are so out of shape they can't participate in normal activity without causing themselves discomfort.
 
2012-10-23 10:07:48 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: I'm figuring we're 5-10 years away from the end of obesity. Not through education or exercise, but through dietary changes as companies find ways to make cheap foods that are good for you and actually taste good. Very few fat people choose food that is bad for them when they have a good for them alternative that costs and tastes the same. The problem up until now has been taste and mouth feel.


So what about the schoolkids getting free fruits and veggies and still throwing them away? People have been programmed to like the shiat, with the help of natural craving for sugar and salt.
 
2012-10-23 10:08:03 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


I have them. Not as dark, and not on my belly, but I have stretch marks on my hips and inner thighs and lower back, which I didn't even know could get fat. When I went through puberty I was chubby, but the stretch marks around my hips and lower back are all because of a growth spurt and my hips going from a girl's hips to a woman's hips. In the past 16 years they've certainly faded to almost nothing, but they're there. My partner has stretch marks on his ass and he's only 140# with hardly an ounce of fat on him.
 
2012-10-23 10:08:21 AM

blahpers: If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better.

People die because they have this outlook.


LOLWUT. Aside from age, accident or disease, people die because they give up. By throwing all that self-loathing out the window (publicly, anyway) and declaring victory, this chick just shortened her maximum lifespan by a good 20-30 years. There's a very tiny number of workaholics who die because they went too far past the fine line between tough and crazy, but it's news when it happens.

The mind is hard-wired to crave improvement. When you improve you experience all sorts of gooshey-hormone rushes. When you stagnate, you experience boredom and depression. Five'll get you ten despite this public display of denial, she's still crying herself to sleep at night. No one here is saying she needs to be a supermodel, but is anyone seriously claiming (assuming her goal is to be thin) that's the very best she can do? I'd be genuinely happy if she's able to turn that vicious cycle around, but her publicity stunt is overwhelming evidence there's no hope of that. Her brain will still know that she's not had some meaningful epiphany; she's just given up.

I'm sure there are assholes out there who love nothing more than making people feel bad, but when people reach this state, the assholes are indistinguishable from those who are genuinely trying to help. Her "none of your ******* business" is a clear statement she's just shut out all feedback, good and bad. Where do you think she goes from here?
 
2012-10-23 10:09:01 AM

SilentStrider: She's cute. I'd hit it.


Her tits are the only parts of her that are too small.
 
2012-10-23 10:10:39 AM
I'd graciously hit that...afterwards, we'd go to Friendly's and have big ol' sundaes.
 
2012-10-23 10:10:48 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Actually, it's not at all uncommon. I don't know if most get them or not, but a lot of people do, especially during puberty. As a healthy young male playing and reffing soccer (meant running for 16+ hours a week, up to 8 hours on Saturdays), I went through a growth spurt so bad I ended up with stretch marks on the inside of my upper arms and the sides of my upper torso, just from muscle gain w/o strength training. I believe it's more common on legs though as they grow, but can happen anywhere. These can fade on their own (mine faded 5-8 years later), but not necessarily.

Now go away, the adults are talking.

Oh, and you sound lonely.

/Almost made a completely reasoned post, but hopefully I brought it back to thread standards there at the end
 
2012-10-23 10:10:59 AM
Why is this news? There are fat girls posting pictures of themselves on the internet all the time.
Oh because she's standing up to some oppressive regime that finds excessive body fat unattractive? Boo hoo.

I'm sure she is a great person underneath all that blubber... but has she tried diet and exercise? There is a reason its unattractive.. its unhealthy.
 
2012-10-23 10:11:07 AM

pivazena: abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

I have them. Not as dark, and not on my belly, but I have stretch marks on my hips and inner thighs and lower back, which I didn't even know could get fat. When I went through puberty I was chubby, but the stretch marks around my hips and lower back are all because of a growth spurt and my hips going from a girl's hips to a woman's hips. In the past 16 years they've certainly faded to almost nothing, but they're there. My partner has stretch marks on his ass and he's only 140# with hardly an ounce of fat on him.


I've had them since I was 13 and I've never even been chubby. They're on my shoulders and inner thighs from puberty/weight training. I feel for people who have them cause there is no stopping or getting rid of them.
 
2012-10-23 10:11:20 AM
Those stretch marks are just so sexy.

I thought they were claw marks. I assumed some guy got his head stuck.
 
2012-10-23 10:11:36 AM

FilmBELOH20: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.


Why? Do employers choose applicants on the basis of how good-looking they are, or whether they might dip into their corporate health care?
 
2012-10-23 10:12:47 AM
Well, I can't lie. I was hoping someone would have stepped up with some pictures of what sexy, chubby women look like (or at least, some epic asses) by now.

Little disappoint...
 
2012-10-23 10:13:43 AM
What's going on in this thread?

OH LOOK! A fatty bashing thread! It's easy to tell who has the small pricks...

Hint:
Size perspective is directly correlated to the object's backdrop...

Smart people, help the dumb people...
 
2012-10-23 10:13:53 AM

vonapathy: Just want to counter that and say myself, average/thin at 5'3" and 120lbs, got them on my ass when I went from little girl to, "are you legal yet, cause god damn that ass don't quit".

I blame it on my African American genes. But none the less, lots of people do get stretch marks simply from growth spurts


You don't normally have "belly" growth spurts.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:22 AM
I'm not going to pat someone on the back and celebrate them for smoking a pack a day so why would I do the same with someone who's obese? Sure, mocking people for being fat is cruel and not actually helpful, but just because the mockers are fools and assholes doesn't mean you're totally okay.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:54 AM

CeroX: What's going on in this thread?

OH LOOK! A fatty bashing thread! It's easy to tell who has the small pricks...

Hint:
Size perspective is directly correlated to the object's backdrop...

Smart people, help the dumb people...


oh, snap.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:09 AM
America's obesity epidemic isn't just the result of people driving their cars a block to buy 104oz sodas, its also the inevitable result of a government that subsidizes the fattiest, crappiest food available, and corn; lots and lots of corn. Solving the problem will take a lot more than just making fun of fat chicks, we need to elect leaders who aren't beholden to the companies that produce this junk, so they stop getting subsidized, so the cheapest food available isn't 2000 calories a serving.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:22 AM

astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."


Have you ever been to a marathon? I can count on one hand the number of overweight people I have seen finish with reasonable time. You can't use the exceptions as your basis that being overweight is perfectly fine and do not end up as a burden on society.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:41 AM

log_jammin: I've lost about 30lbs since last Christmas, but I don't think I've ever "celebrated" myself, before or after.

/I'd still take her home from the bar


really? I'm not necessarily happy with my body but I "celebrate" myself every day. Sometimes twice.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:47 AM

odinsposse: I'm not going to pat someone on the back and celebrate them for smoking a pack a day so why would I do the same with someone who's obese?


But, what if they smoke that pack all at once? Sure, maybe not a pat on the back (likely coughing fits to follow), but a bit of applause would seem appropriate.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:56 AM

astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."


I'm going to go full on ITG here, but marathons are considered short distances in my social circle.
There's plenty of overweight ultrarunners, myself included. I'm honest with myself that it's because of my diet, and because losing weight isn't a huge priority. Like your friends, losing weight isn't my goal and it is also hard to lose weight while still maintaining a training schedule, since you need to be mostly calorie neutral during your long runs or you'll bonk.

Thing is, your friends are probably comfortable with their weights. If they are, that's great for them.
This isn't the blog post of somebody who's comfortable with her weight. This is the bog post of somebody who wants to be comfortable with her weight, because she sees that as an easier way out than working hard.
 
2012-10-23 10:17:54 AM

Trillian Astra: Prevailing Wind: Wouldn't it be nice to go on a run? go dancing? walk up stairs without feeling as if you want to die? be able to put on socks without grunting? not have back pain, neck pain, and sore feet?

Not all people who look fat are so out of shape they can't participate in normal activity without causing themselves discomfort.


Well, to parse your statement, you said "look fat". I understand your distinction there and lets go ahead and say that it IS a distinction. My line of inquiries are directed to those who ARE fat. If they are fat they will likely have some difficulty with all of those items. It will be a matter of degree depending upon their overall health, muscle to weight ratio, flexibility, age, and bmi, but to quote a great man, their condition is simply "not optimal."
 
2012-10-23 10:18:16 AM

fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.


And if they do, when the EMT guy shows up at the motel and cries, "My God!! How did this happen?!", you respond by dropping your trousers and waving your bloodied manhood in his face.



/thanks Seanbaby!
 
2012-10-23 10:19:00 AM

badscooter: [i.imgur.com image 293x172]

These are my teeth. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about them, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my teeth, ARE NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

/Why won't anyone kiss me?


userserve-ak.last.fm

Approves

/Ol' Shane did get his grill fixed
 
2012-10-23 10:19:41 AM

You're the jerk... jerk: Have you ever been to a marathon? I can count on one hand the number of overweight people I have seen finish with reasonable time. You can't use the exceptions as your basis that being overweight is perfectly fine and do not end up as a burden on society.


I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.
 
2012-10-23 10:20:25 AM

Kit Fister: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

Paging studman69, studman69 to thread 7396184...

/fark you. Takes all kinds to make up the world
//Not everyone finds a bag of antlers attractive.


She's obese. There's a lot of room between her and a "bag of antlers". Many beautiful, not too skinny girls in between those two extremes.

And her diatribe about it being "her business" and not anyone else's was contradicted by her once she started posting pics of herself in underwear in public places. By doing that, and adding a diatribe meant to be read by everyone, she herself made her obesity other peoples business. Attention whores come in all sizes.
 
2012-10-23 10:20:38 AM

Molavian: Aw, too bad she didn't get the massive fat tits to go along with the rest of her fatness.

I always pity the fat girls this happens to.


If she had a nice pair of D cups she wouldn't be proportioned too badly.

At least we know she lies on the sane side of the hot/crazy scale.

/mostly
 
2012-10-23 10:20:39 AM

Sleeping Monkey: America's obesity epidemic isn't just the result of people driving their cars a block to buy 104oz sodas, its also the inevitable result of a government that subsidizes the fattiest, crappiest food available, and corn; lots and lots of corn. Solving the problem will take a lot more than just making fun of fat chicks, we need to elect leaders who aren't beholden to the companies that produce this junk, so they stop getting subsidized, so the cheapest food available isn't 2000 calories a serving.


Shhhh...you're making too much sense. Everyone's having too much fun being judgmental.
 
2012-10-23 10:20:41 AM

The Decider: Those stretch marks are just so sexy.

I thought they were claw marks. I assumed some guy got his head stuck.


I think they are claw marks from the inside. Whatever she ate is trying to get out.


i.dailymail.co.uk
 
2012-10-23 10:21:48 AM

Oafmeel: When he tried the same act on me, I told him with a straight face that (a) weight and physical form aren't character flaws,


Oh, yes they most certainly are.

Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw. It is disrespectful to your own self to allow your body to become unhealthy/grotesque. You body is a gift, you only have one, so to let yourself become fat/obese/unhealthy is a character flaw. Frankly, I see really obese people as mentally ill.

Granted, its not like we all don't have character flaws, but being fat is an obvious one and says something about the person, namely they don't have self control and don't care enough about the most precious possession a person can have to put the fork down and take care of themselves properly. This effects other aspect of their life, including personal relationships with others.

One of my character flaws is I can be an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want. Fatties? No so much.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:04 AM
In other news, Subby thinks a bikini is underwear.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:41 AM

Litig8r: You're the jerk... jerk: Have you ever been to a marathon? I can count on one hand the number of overweight people I have seen finish with reasonable time. You can't use the exceptions as your basis that being overweight is perfectly fine and do not end up as a burden on society.

I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.


I think anything under 4 hours is respectable. Sub 3 hours and you've qualified for Boston in any age and gender group.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:58 AM

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.


So your friends violate the laws of thermodynamics? You should tell a scientist so they can study them and we can fix our oil dependency.

Odds are they are eating more than they tell you.
 
2012-10-23 10:23:03 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-23 10:23:09 AM

Sleeping Monkey: America's obesity epidemic isn't just the result of people driving their cars a block to buy 104oz sodas, its also the inevitable result of a government that subsidizes the fattiest, crappiest food available, and corn; lots and lots of corn. Solving the problem will take a lot more than just making fun of fat chicks, we need to elect leaders who aren't beholden to the companies that produce this junk, so they stop getting subsidized, so the cheapest food available isn't 2000 calories a serving.


All the cheapo farmers markets where I live in Florida take EBT, but you rarely see anyone there using it. Walmart while having a lot of instant quick food, does have plenty of inexpensive vegetables, be it frozen, canned, or fresh. Yet if you follow someone around the store they never seem to by them. They buy bags of prebattered chicken wings, eggos, steaks, and tv dinners. Which cost more than buying fresh food than cooking it themselves.

Rice, vegetables, lean meat, and olive oil is cheap and easy to cook with, and cook quickly with. Stir fry is easy takes
 
2012-10-23 10:24:20 AM
That's overweight?

Yeah, you go girl. Tell studman where he can stick his sharp knees.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:44 AM

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.




Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:31 AM
She's overweight. She doesn't look very good. Sorry.

But no one cares. No one told her she couldn't be proud of herself, or take self pics like a high school girl. Go nuts, take all the pics you want. Everyone is somebody's fetish, right?

I just don't understand who this defiant act is directed toward.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:38 AM
I hate this shiat. You are NOT hot because you say so, and every body is not beautiful.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:45 AM
More power to you cupcake. She's not hurting anyone but herself and whomever she happens to pass out on. And for all the morons crying about social cost - I'll chain smoke a pack of cigarettes and drink a couple doubles just for you tonight and when I do stroke out I'll got to ER and get them to write it off on your tax dime. Thanks! You'll get an ulcer worrying about what the other 12 billion people on the planet might be doing to offend you. Does hand wringing count as exercise? Maybe climbing up and down off that high horse does. Maybe some anti bacterial lotion to get the stench of the unacceptable off of your pristine souls.

i174.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 10:27:28 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: That's overweight?

Yeah, you go girl. Tell studman where he can stick his sharp knees.


What kind of glasses are you wearing that prevent you from seeing that, yes, this girl is overweight.

Sure, she's no Honey Boo Boo's mom, but she is inarguably overweight.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:18 AM

Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.


People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:51 AM
cdn10.realitynation.com

Approves.


That being said, yeah, OK, it's great that you have self-confidence, but being a fat, unhealthy person is NOTHING to be proud of.(Yes, and being a skinny unhealthy person also not good, okay?)

If you just get louder and "sassier", it doesn't change the fact that you are still fat and should take care of yourself. You've just given up and are now rationalizing
 
2012-10-23 10:29:09 AM

Mose: Litig8r: You're the jerk... jerk: Have you ever been to a marathon? I can count on one hand the number of overweight people I have seen finish with reasonable time. You can't use the exceptions as your basis that being overweight is perfectly fine and do not end up as a burden on society.

I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

I think anything under 4 hours is respectable. Sub 3 hours and you've qualified for Boston in any age and gender group.


List of celebrity marathon times. Oprah did it in four and a half. I am in between Bush and Ed Norton.
 
2012-10-23 10:29:28 AM

vermicious k'nid: Sure, she's no Honey Boo Boo's mom, but she is inarguably overweight.


That woman needs to be checked for a thyroid issue or Cushings because not even morbidly-obese-from-food-alone people have necks like that.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:40 AM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And I'd like my health insurer to adjust rates for smokers, people who eat microwave popcorn or anyone who has (unless it's just kernels in a brown paper bag maybe with a bit of oil, then you get a bonus discount because you're not a total idiot), anyone who eats at a fast food restaurant more than once a week, inactive people (skinny or not, since slightly overweight but active people are healthier than skinny inactive people), anyone who lives near a coal power plant, anyone who has attended a rave or a Phish concert in the past, bikers who commute while inhaling exhaust, anyone who honestly liked that Friday song because your stupidity means you're more likely to get in an accident that I have to subsidize...


THIS.

And now the inevitable story from the fat healthy guy who needs to be at the gym in 26 minutes:
I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.

Two nights ago there was a woman at the local Zinga self-serve fro-yo place with close to a full pound swirled into her feed bag with easily 3,000+ calories of add-ins squished on top. She was easily over 300 pounds. She joked about how the price was over $10 and she probably went a bit overboard. And yeah, even I was judging her.

So if this chick is healthy (eats okay, exercises, etc) but still has weight issues, good for her. I understand what it is like wanting to yell at people who make assessments based on appearances even when I am just as guilty.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:59 AM

astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."


I am skinny and can do a 5k fairly easy, even at 42 years old. Hell, I climbed to the top of a glacier and peaked down a live volcano last year. Do I consider them great feats, nooo.

And doing a marathon in 8 hours is nothing to brag about.
 
2012-10-23 10:31:38 AM
Everyone should be free to look how they choose, and feel how they choose.

I choose to eat well and exercise. Some people don't. Fine by me. If you're happy, more power to you.
 
2012-10-23 10:32:00 AM

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


No, it doesn't. Obesity is a serious health problem that can, and should, be treated with diet and exercise. Whether you accept it or not, obesity dramatically increases the risk of a variety of deadly medical problems such as diabetes and heart disease. These diseases will shorten your lifespan. That's a simple fact whether you think it's socially acceptable to be fat or not.
 
2012-10-23 10:32:59 AM

FilmBELOH20: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.


Well, that's always the classic excuse that people use to stick their nose where it doesn't belong, isn't it? Again, conflating personal choice with moral righteousness. I guess, judging by your statement, add to that an air of entitlement.

Just because something affects you, what makes you think you're absolutely entitled to have a say in the matter? I'm not saying you necessarily don't, but you seem to be saying that you necessarily do. How far do you take that? Are you entitled to have a say in everything that everybody does that even remotely affects you?

To more directly answer your question, I'd say that in the case of a hypothetical universal health care, your taxes should go to help those people because they're people, with the same fragile nature and weaknesses that you have. Just because their weaknesses may be different from yours, does not mean that you don't have any. Would you prefer we all judge each other to the point that nobody helps anybody because all of us deserve the worst as a result of our vices?
 
2012-10-23 10:33:21 AM

vermicious k'nid: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


Maybe society should just let it go back to being her burden. I didn't choose for it to be my burden, and it doesn't sound like she wants to be my burden either.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:02 AM
This is my body deal with it...cause lord knows how I hate to diet.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:14 AM
Caption from the 2nd picture: Proud: Stella Boonshoft posted the picture in response to everyone who has ever bulled her because of her size.

Hooo... uh... whoa... OK then.

Does anyone remember a time when we didn't parade about every little pathetic thing about our lives for the whole world to see? Seems to me I recall the only people who had dirt on me were people that knew me, in person.

Oh, and yes, she's cute, but drop the fatty act, honey. Women aren't allowed to be fat, only men are allowed to be fat. Women get to have multiple orgasms, men get to be fat. That's how it works.

/I keed
//Sort of
 
2012-10-23 10:36:10 AM

FarkinHostile: astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).

Thermodynamics come into play with movement and exercise: lifting 100 pounds through one foot requires 0.0324 calories (your body will burn more than that because it's not 100% efficient). So it's possible to FORCE your body to run a caloric deficit, but only by eating very lightly.

My personal experience: I could run a 500 cal/day deficit (leading to 1lb/week fat loss) by eating 1700 (counted) cal/day (so my body could only pull my energy expenditure down to 2200ish cal/day). (I of course gained all 50-odd pounds back after stopping calorie counting).
 
2012-10-23 10:37:32 AM

FarkinHostile:


Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Not really.

If you have two 2006 honda civics giving them equal amounts of the same type of gas doesn't they are going to be able to drive as far. Even if you are driving them in the same accelerating and braking profile things like how inflated the tires are, how smoothly the engine is running etc can all play a role. Our bodies are far more complex, as is the process by which we digest food.

I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".
 
2012-10-23 10:38:01 AM

peachfish: People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.


Sorry, you follow the laws of thermodynamics like everyone else in the universe. 20 floors a day isn't exactly a lot when it comes to calorie burning or cardio (maybe if you are sprinting all 20 floors consecutively, then it might). I guarantee you that your diet is the cause of it -- either you are eating too much or too little (and thus, starvation mode). Weigh your food (always go by weight, not volume), figure out your TDEE, and eat 500 calories less than it.

WinoRhino: I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.


I am guessing you are eating too much then. You follow the laws of thermodynamics just like everything else in our universe. Running actually doesn't burn that many calories (130 calories per mile). So if you ran 10 miles, that is 1300 calories, or roughly 2 big macs.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:43 AM
Are her tits smaller than her gut? Then she's fat. The end.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:09 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).


Sort of, but if you are eating at a deficit and not losing weight, you are either eating too much or too little. Eating too little (>500 cal deficit) results in farked up metabolism and "starvation mode", while eating too much obviously is bad, too. Roughly speaking, eat bodyweight x 10 calories per day (for sedentary person) and you'll lose weight.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:06 AM

ambercricket: IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...

No, it doesn't. Obesity is a serious health problem that can, and should, be treated with diet and exercise. Whether you accept it or not, obesity dramatically increases the risk of a variety of deadly medical problems such as diabetes and heart disease. These diseases will shorten your lifespan. That's a simple fact whether you think it's socially acceptable to be fat or not.


The guy that came up with "Hacker's Diet", that I followed for a couple years, cites this: look around for old people, for fat people, and for old fat people. Note the numerical disparity.

That diet is very simple: count calories, weigh in daily, smooth out water etc. weight fluctuations with a moving average, adjust calorie targets to maintain desired loss rate.

It works well (it pretty much has to). It's also impossible to stick to long-term. (I lost 50 lb from it over 1.5ish years, gained it all back after stopping the counting).
 
2012-10-23 10:43:33 AM

liam76:
I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".



No, it is not more complicated than calories in vs calories out on the most fundamental level. Does what you eat have an impact? Yes. Does how much/what kind of exercise have an impact? Sure. But when it comes down to it, if you intake 2000 calories a day and burn 3000, you WILL lose weight, period.

It is that simple. This isn't rocket surgery, folks.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:59 AM
Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

I've got a 107 pound 15-year-old daughter with stretch marks.
 
2012-10-23 10:47:08 AM

The Only Jeff: She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.


It doesn't help that there is loads of fitness malarky out there about eating 5 (or more) meals a day while dieting, or this idea that somehow your body goes into "starvation mode" and stops burning calories. I see people dieting and making themselves plush meals for lunch and dinner, with regular snacks in between. Granted its healthy food, but its still calories, and people convince themselves all this eating helps them lose weight just because its not cheese whiz and nachos. Truth is the average person can easily get by on eating twice a day, and the average dieter could probably cut that down to one.

Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.
 
2012-10-23 10:47:48 AM

peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.


Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:34 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Already mentioned, but that is indeed absolutely incorrect.

I consistently stay about 10-15 lbs underweight, never had kids and I have faded, but noticeable stretch marks on my hips. The hip/butt area grew a bit more than one would expect for a skinny white girl.

Stretch marks on the belly? Ok, maybe I see your point.

This girl is still very cute, but anyone saying she's not overweight is absolutely delusional. It's cool if some of you guys find that body type attractive, but let's call it what it is. That's a big girl.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:39 AM

machoprogrammer: Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).

Sort of, but if you are eating at a deficit and not losing weight, you are either eating too much or too little. Eating too little (>500 cal deficit) results in farked up metabolism and "starvation mode", while eating too much obviously is bad, too. Roughly speaking, eat bodyweight x 10 calories per day (for sedentary person) and you'll lose weight.


No matter what you're eating, if you're not losing weight, you're not running a calorie deficit.

The point everyone misses in these arguments is that calorie burn is HIGHLY variable from person to person, situation to situation. (I burned 2200 cal/day at 275lb, for example). All of the estimates out there for calories burned are broad rules of thumb, nothing more.

All of the apparent examples of people eating less than they burn, while not losing weight, are due to over-estimation of the burn rate. Nobody's creating energy out of nothing, chances are they're just overestimating their output. Of course there's plenty of underestimation of input out there too; I know as well as anyone that any food you eat standing over the sink does not add to your calorie intake :-).
 
2012-10-23 10:51:15 AM

serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."

I'm going to go full on ITG here, but marathons are considered short distances in my social circle.
There's plenty of overweight ultrarunners, myself included. I'm honest with myself that it's because of my diet, and because losing weight isn't a huge priority. Like your friends, losing weight isn't my goal and it is also hard to lose weight while still maintaining a training schedule, since you need to be mostly calorie neutral during your long runs or you'll bonk.

Thing is, your friends are probably comfortable with their weights. If they are, that's great for them.
This isn't the blog post of somebody who's comfortable with her weight. This is the bog post of somebody who ...


I'd be curious as to what serial_crusher's definition of overweight is, vs. astoreth's. Marathon distances and up are pretty hard on the joints if you're 10 lbs or more overweight.

And I know it's already been said, but a 5 hr 26.2 isn't running, it's shuffling.
 
2012-10-23 10:51:31 AM
The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?
 
2012-10-23 10:54:48 AM

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: That's overweight?


Yea, quite obviously so. Possibly obese. Definitely beyond healthy, which is really the important point.

You shouldn't be proud of your flaws, and you should be ashamed of your flaws that you could fix but choose not to or choose to make worse. Not only is it absurd to be proud that you're damaging your health, but it diminishes the fact that some people actually do suffer from flaws outside their reasonable control. I'm out of shape because I don't exercise properly. I don't pretend it's okay because some people have actual degenerative diseases that prevent them from being fit and tone, and I certainly am not proud of my laziness or looking for other people to tell me it's okay that I'm lazy.

Being proud that you can't put down the Häagen-Dazs and greasy bucket of fried chicken is just laughably stupid.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:51 AM

ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.


THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.
 
2012-10-23 10:57:02 AM

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight.


That's me. See above post. My best times were a 10 miler at an 8:54 / mile pace, a 20 miler at a 9:24 / mile overall pace, and the Boston Marathon at slightly over a 10:00 / mile pace (4:28:21). So while somewhat slow by distance runner standards, I'm nowhere near walking speed.

Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. [snip] My personal experience: I could run a 500 cal/day deficit (leading to 1lb/week fat loss) by eating 1700 (counted) cal/day (so my body could only pull my energy expenditure down to 2200ish cal/day). (I of course gained all 50-odd pounds back after stopping calorie counting).


I was using MyFitnessPal.com to do the same for a while. It worked, but only after I made some adjustments with regard to the calories burned during exercise. I would go for a 30 mile bike ride and average 17 mph. If you add that into MyFittnessPal's exercise tracker it credits you with 2200 calories burned. But this only judges by weight and age, and not by base levels of fitness and efficiency. I wore a heart rate monitor and used that to calculate calories burned and several different sources put the amount around 1500 calories for me specifically instead. On top of that, you have to deduct 10% to account for net vs gross calories, which means I should only be credited with a 1350 calorie burn. That's almost 900 calories difference in the end.

What happened with my plateau at 200 pounds was that I could no longer cut calories and run the distances I wanted. I would get into 5 miles of a 10 mile run and bonk. So I could eat enough to fuel the runs, but my weight would only be maintained and not reduced. Or I could eat less, run less, and maybe lose more weight. But why? I was happier being 200 and running any distance I wanted.
 
2012-10-23 10:57:25 AM
So, how long before I get cheers and accolades after I post a pic of my balding spot with a feisty diatribe on my FB?
 
2012-10-23 10:57:39 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

Maybe if you don't want people commenting on the choices you make about your body you shouldn't actively parade it in front of tens of thousands of strangers.

And, no, it's not okay to celebrate being a fat-ass. It's one thing to point out that people shouldn't be stupidly obsessed with being thin, but you're not not just chubby, you're obese, and that's unhealthy. It's no better than people being proud to be ignorant. People view your body negatively because your body is a negative aspect of yourself because you keep it in an unhealthy state. You also seem to have a terrible personality and a persecution complex. Did people bully you over them too or did they develop separately?

You're just the whole package, aintcha?


I'm a little farked up maybe, but I'm fat how, I mean fat like I'm a cow, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to farkin' amuse you? What do you mean fat, fat how? How am I fat?
 
2012-10-23 10:58:52 AM
Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.

csg time

I'm still a normal weight and have never been overweight, and I'm getting used to my new, different body. Can't be 'thin' anymore, but I lift weights and I'm strong and I'm happy. I suddenly gained around 30lb age 17, without a change in diet or exercise (I've always been a dancer). My mother always fed me very healthily and encouraged exercise because she is herself obese- she eats well, very little processed food, small portions, she's never lost the bulk, but that's a story for another day. I didn't think I'd ever be like her, and I hope I won't ever be, because I'm trying to stress exercise as part of my life and she never has. However, something happened to me that was not me suddenly stuffing 30lbs of burgers and cake into my mouth at age 17. That something was puberty, genetics, metabolism. I didn't become a glutton. I have never been a glutton.

/ tl;dr gaining weight doesn't mean you've decided to eat crap, calorie argument is way more complicated than farktrolls claim
// also, I got hella stretchmarks when I was 11. It's called puberty and it causes you to gain fat in areas like your breasts, bottom and hips. I was underweight at age 11, but I was growing tits.
 
2012-10-23 11:00:09 AM

FarkinHostile: liam76:
I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".


No, it is not more complicated than calories in vs calories out on the most fundamental level. Does what you eat have an impact? Yes. Does how much/what kind of exercise have an impact? Sure. But when it comes down to it, if you intake 2000 calories a day and burn 3000, you WILL lose weight, period.

It is that simple. This isn't rocket surgery, folks.


It is that simple, but there is some nuance to it in as much as the types of foods and types of exercise you eat/do influence your ability to regulate the former and optimize the other. In other words, you are correct, but its misleading and not all that helpful for people who are trying to be healthy.

IF you eat low calorie foods that are high in fiber and protein, (or even just nutritionally balanced) over the course of your day, you are more likely to be able to keep your intake on target. If you eat a single hardees thickburger in the morning and blow your entire caloric intake in one sitting, you will probably fail.

IF you go to sleep at a normal time and don't stay up to watch TV, play games, surf the porn, you are less likely to munch, more likely to exercise and your overall mood will be better than had you stayed up late.

IF your workout routine has some interval cardio in it, you will maintain an elevated heart rate for considerably longer than a static cardio workout (and thus burn more calories)

IF your workout includes some resistance training, you will add muscle which will allow your latent mass to burn more calories throughout the day.

The point is that there are ways to make your body burn more calories and also ways to make you need/want to eat less. That matters.
 
2012-10-23 11:01:05 AM

ZombiesYall: The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.


It does with some people. In a customer service setting I've had people make comments about everything from my skin (complimentary) to my weight and size (not so complimentary). I don't see why people do these things but it does happen, even if it doesn't happen to you.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:37 AM
I like how she states she would never be thin. But she can if she tries at it longer then a week. Takes time to ser the changes, hardly ever see them overnight.
 
2012-10-23 11:08:46 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.


Dude, if you don't care, you don't care. You don't have to make excuses. The theme of the thread isn't that you need to justify your bad habits as part of your identity, it's that trying to justify quantitatively bad habits is more annoying than simply having them.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, that's bad. Now get over it." = fine. You're a normal dude with some bad behaviors. We've all got ours, they make life less of a waste of time.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, but it's big bones/an inalienable part of my character/because of society/because because because" = Jesus, stop whinging, you irredeemable wanker.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, and I'm PROUD. It is YOU, society, whose definition of 'healthy' is wrong. Science? Statistics? What are those." = please remove yourself from the gene pool at your earliest convenience, preferably before spawning.

I mean, I drink more than the optimum one a day (fun fact: less than one a day, also bad for you) and I only barely quit smoking. But I don't go around shouting my smoker's pride from the rooftops and telling kids that smoking being bad for you is an evil conspiracy fiction fabricate by THE MAN to keep the proud smoking race, who are the true paragons of health and attractiveness, down. Additionally, I willingly pay the price for my own dumbshiat teenager decision-making in the form of insurance premiums that balance against my increased health risks.
 
2012-10-23 11:10:04 AM

WinoRhino: What happened with my plateau at 200 pounds was that I could no longer cut calories and run the distances I wanted. I would get into 5 miles of a 10 mile run and bonk. So I could eat enough to fuel the runs, but my weight would only be maintained and not reduced. Or I could eat less, run less, and maybe lose more weight. But why? I was happier being 200 and running any distance I wanted.


Probably your macros, actually. Or what you are eating.
 
2012-10-23 11:10:49 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Far be it for me to question someone with a GED in Anatomy and Physiology, but I've had them since I was 12. Massive growth spurt= inguinal stretch marks.

/guy
//not fat
 
2012-10-23 11:12:28 AM
i48.tinypic.com

Plus sized eye bleach.
 
2012-10-23 11:12:38 AM

ZombiesYall: The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?


It really depends on the kinds of situations you're in. Someone who is a lot bigger than the norm in a particular situation will often get a comment or two- she mentioned horseriding, if she was bigger than the other girls then people may have felt the need to comment on that. Some people think saying 'you're heavier than most' is as harmless as saying 'wow, you're short' or 'wow, you don't look strong/fit enough to be doing that'*.
Also, some people are just dicks who want to impose their morals on strangers. If you have an outward 'flaw', they call you on it. I hate smoking, but I know people who walk up to strangers smoking and berate them. I can't imagine doing that. It's so rude!

Also, I think you've misunderstood the article. Humans of New York wanted to take her picture, took it, and she mentioned her blog. He went on her blog, and reposted her own picture of herself in a bikini rather than the picture he'd taken of her clothed during the day.

/* yes I'm projecting because I get comments like this all the time from strangers...
 
2012-10-23 11:13:06 AM

sodomizer: serial_crusher: Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It's a modern pastime to lower standards so that we all feel good about ourselves.

Yummy, warm fuzzies, to everyone. Now doesn't that just feel good?

This girl obviously was fatter; notice the stretch marks.

However, she is designed to be "big boned" (that's not your big bone, wanky internet losers). She has a bigger frame and is always going to be a bigger girl.

This has zero bearing on most people, who are fat because they spend too much time at their jobs and televisions/internets and not enough time, you know, walking around and experiencing actual life.


FYI, stretch marks only happen when you gain weight. You don't get stretch marks when you lose weight. I don't really want to judge the girl because she has issues, but the stretch marks are like ripping seams on a pair of trousers and there's no way to fully mask the marks once they occur without having them cut out with surgery (which is really unfortunate).

It's too bad she doesn't tout that she's tried healthier forms of weight loss. It's good that she's trying to love/accept herself. As much as everyone wants to reduce the issue to cal in/cal out and exercise, psychological issues are a significant component of obesity/overweight epidemic.
 
2012-10-23 11:13:49 AM
My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".
 
2012-10-23 11:14:50 AM

MarkEC: My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".


She needs to have her dosage changed.
 
2012-10-23 11:16:02 AM

theoutlaw: Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.


No one's arguing they can lose weight instantly. Of course it takes work. But the girl from the article was fat since she was horse-back riding. Yes, it can take months or years to lose weight depending on the obesity, but this girl has had over a decade. It may be hard, but so is not drinking when you're an alcoholic. Both people can and should be judged for it when their actions negatively affect those around them.
 
2012-10-23 11:16:26 AM

mytdawg: Maybe climbing up and down off that high horse does.


Your sense of irony could use some exercise.
 
2012-10-23 11:17:24 AM

dragonchild: serial_crusher: What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly

This. Obviously she's not anorexic, so "extreme" is a matter of perspective, and hers is definitely limited. Mind you, she's really not all that bad, but her definition of "not hiding" is publicly displaying her body for shock value with a message of "mind your own business". The unwarranted self-contragulatory attitude and passive-aggressive attention whoring is a thousand times more repulsive than any stretch mark on her belly. I'd actually think she's pretty cute (I'd hit it if I was single and drunk) if not for the crazy.

Time to hit fatties with the clue bat, again: SELF-LOATHING DOES NOT COUNT AS EFFORT. If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better. Misery without effort is just wallowing.


THIS!
 
2012-10-23 11:18:07 AM

WinoRhino: What happened with my plateau at 200 pounds was that I could no longer cut calories and run the distances I wanted. I would get into 5 miles of a 10 mile run and bonk. So I could eat enough to fuel the runs, but my weight would only be maintained and not reduced.


Are you a midget or something? Because at the average height for a male human (1.8 m) that's overweight, but not to an extent that's really worrisome in health terms (it comes out to BMI 28, where the obesity 1 line for a normal, non-athletic person is at 30).

One of the downsides of cardio is that it does tend to tell your body to lock in at its current weight beyond a certain point, actually dropping a large amount frequently requires _not_ exercising and dropping your diet in a more dramatic fashion for a month or so, then going back to your routine at the lower weight. Or, in 1980s terms, running won't generally help you burn off the pounds, but it will help you keep them off.

//Biology, ew.
 
2012-10-23 11:18:20 AM
As long as she's pretty... really - curvy and cute beats skinny and skanky any day
 
2012-10-23 11:19:03 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties

You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men


False, I've been with two fatties, they were both terrible lays.
 
2012-10-23 11:19:18 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: MarkEC: My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".

She needs to have her dosage changed.


Endo says that her dosage is correct and won't change it just to help her gain weight.
 
2012-10-23 11:19:20 AM

Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.


True. It's good to be honest about. Its not just overweight people. The average daily grind is very dreary and boring. So we eat. We stock up on a big hour long lunch and gather around for a big dinner. Neither of which are really required to sustain working in an office cubicle all day. Some people get overweight from it and some don't. Which is why overweight people are often in disbelief and think there is nothing they can do. Truth is it is not unhealthy to eat just one meal a day, and is more than enough to prevent "starvation mode". Emprically the metabolic swing of going on a low cal diet versus a 5-meal a day diet is only a few hundred calories, while consuming likely over a thousand calories more.

Everyone should try fasting or minifasts every once inawhile just to give themselves a reality check. Or just not give a shiat, nothing wrong with that either (as long as we're not AWing our lack of shiats given)
 
2012-10-23 11:22:57 AM

MarkEC: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: MarkEC: My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".

She needs to have her dosage changed.

Endo says that her dosage is correct and won't change it just to help her gain weight.


Is she also having problems with insomnia, or just getting a full nights sleep?
 
2012-10-23 11:23:37 AM

ChuDogg: Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.

True. It's good to be honest about. Its not just overweight people. The average daily grind is very dreary and boring. So we eat. We stock up on a big hour long lunch and gather around for a big dinner. Neither of which are really required to sustain working in an office cubicle all day. Some people get overweight from it and some don't. Which is why overweight people are often in disbelief and think there is nothing they can do. Truth is it is not unhealthy to eat just one meal a day, and is more than enough to prevent "starvation mode". Emprically the metabolic swing of going on a low cal diet versus a 5-meal a day diet is only a few hundred calories, while consuming likely over a thousand calories more.

Everyone should try fasting or minifasts every once inawhile just to give themselves a reality check. Or just not give a shiat, nothing wrong with that either (as long as we're not AWing our lack of shiats given)


I've been keeping myself to 300 calories in the morning, no more than 500 at lunch, and I tend to ignore dinner calorie counts. I've also cut soda out, and I don't drink liquor M-Th. I'm curious to see how this diet goes.

I've also taken up running via Couch 2 5K. I'm on week 4 now.
 
2012-10-23 11:23:41 AM

The Only Jeff: theoutlaw: Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.

No one's arguing they can lose weight instantly. Of course it takes work. But the girl from the article was fat since she was horse-back riding. Yes, it can take months or years to lose weight depending on the obesity, but this girl has had over a decade. It may be hard, but so is not drinking when you're an alcoholic. Both people can and should be judged for it when their actions negatively affect those around them.


Sorry, but though I agree with you on specifics (i.e. that losing weight takes time and work but it's doable), I disagree with you in this way: It's ludicrous to argue that a NINE YEAR OLD could have recognised she was 'obese' and started working out and should have made progress in 10 years. I'm not sure that this woman is nineteen (finding it hard to find her age) so she may have had 'more than a decade' but jeez. I'm sorry, but fat kids can't do a bunch about it. And even if they did, this woman has been a fat kid, then she's gone into puberty, then she's dealt with her metabolism slowing down as she matures into womanhood. Yes, some people are fat kids then turn into rakes (my fourteen year old brother is doing it right now) but puberty is such a bizarre beast that you can't begin to judge this woman's 'weight journey' before her body stopped hormoning the fark out, if it even has yet.
 
2012-10-23 11:26:57 AM

hobnail: I'd be curious as to what serial_crusher's definition of overweight is, vs. astoreth's. Marathon distances and up are pretty hard on the joints if you're 10 lbs or more overweight.

And I know it's already been said, but a 5 hr 26.2 isn't running, it's shuffling.


I'm 5'11, 205-210 lbs. Doctor says I should get it down to 190.
 
2012-10-23 11:27:32 AM

CarrieWhite: She's a pretty one.


but not ity bity..I'd still take her for a walk..if ya know what I mean..
 
2012-10-23 11:29:43 AM
I dig bigger gals, a tad more curvy perhaps but what the heck
personality can go a LONG way to making someone attractive.

We're all going to get ugly
hopefully we're gonna age
and let's hope we'll get someone to share those adventures with
that personality is gonna make all the difference in the world
 
2012-10-23 11:30:08 AM
Nothing is sadder than a fat girl with a fat ass and still no tits.
 
2012-10-23 11:33:06 AM

Girion47: ChuDogg: Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.

True. It's good to be honest about. Its not just overweight people. The average daily grind is very dreary and boring. So we eat. We stock up on a big hour long lunch and gather around for a big dinner. Neither of which are really required to sustain working in an office cubicle all day. Some people get overweight from it and some don't. Which is why overweight people are often in disbelief and think there is nothing they can do. Truth is it is not unhealthy to eat just one meal a day, and is more than enough to prevent "starvation mode". Emprically the metabolic swing of going on a low cal diet versus a 5-meal a day diet is only a few hundred calories, while consuming likely over a thousand calories more.

Everyone should try fasting or minifasts every once inawhile just to give themselves a reality check. Or just not give a shiat, nothing wrong with that either (as long as we're not AWing our lack of shiats given)

I've been keeping myself to 300 calories in the morning, no more than 500 at lunch, and I tend to ignore dinner calorie counts. I've also cut soda out, and I don't drink liquor M-Th. I'm curious to see how this ...


Dinner might be the worst as you may end up on stocking up on calories before sleeping, offsetting any gains during the day. If you need a good meal focus on lunch, or maybe a "lunner" at like 2-3 pm.
 
2012-10-23 11:33:07 AM
FTFA: This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds


So. Fat and can't take a hint.

Incidentally, why do those "stretch marks" look like hand prints?
 
2012-10-23 11:34:29 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: MarkEC: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: MarkEC: My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".

She needs to have her dosage changed.

Endo says that her dosage is correct and won't change it just to help her gain weight.

Is she also having problems with insomnia, or just getting a full nights sleep?


She gets 8 or 9 hours a night. No signs of too much thyroid hormone.
 
2012-10-23 11:35:02 AM

theoutlaw: It's ludicrous to argue that a NINE YEAR OLD could have recognised she was 'obese' ...


This is what childhood teasing was designed for
 
2012-10-23 11:35:52 AM

BolshyGreatYarblocks: fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.

And if they do, when the EMT guy shows up at the motel and cries, "My God!! How did this happen?!", you respond by dropping your trousers and waving your bloodied manhood in his face.



/thanks Seanbaby!


Mine requires a permit from the county sheriff
 
2012-10-23 11:36:39 AM

serial_crusher: hobnail: I'd be curious as to what serial_crusher's definition of overweight is, vs. astoreth's. Marathon distances and up are pretty hard on the joints if you're 10 lbs or more overweight.

And I know it's already been said, but a 5 hr 26.2 isn't running, it's shuffling.

I'm 5'11, 205-210 lbs. Doctor says I should get it down to 190.


sounds about right. I'm 5'10" 175 and I could stand to be below 165. I also have two kids, two jobs, and a taste for bourbon. So for now I'm content with maintaining decent conditioning and living with a little extra weight.
 
2012-10-23 11:38:16 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: BolshyGreatYarblocks: fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.

And if they do, when the EMT guy shows up at the motel and cries, "My God!! How did this happen?!", you respond by dropping your trousers and waving your bloodied manhood in his face.



/thanks Seanbaby!

Mine requires a permit from the county sheriff


Mine has a death sentence in 12 systems.
 
2012-10-23 11:39:58 AM

theoutlaw: Sorry, but though I agree with you on specifics (i.e. that losing weight takes time and work but it's doable), I disagree with you in this way: It's ludicrous to argue that a NINE YEAR OLD could have recognised she was 'obese' and started working out and should have made progress in 10 years. I'm not sure that this woman is nineteen (finding it hard to find her age) so she may have had 'more than a decade' but jeez. I'm sorry, but fat kids can't do a bunch about it. And even if they did, this woman has been a fat kid, then she's gone into puberty, then she's dealt with her metabolism slowing down as she matures into womanhood. Yes, some people are fat kids then turn into rakes (my fourteen year old brother is doing it right now) but puberty is such a bizarre beast that you can't begin to judge this woman's 'weight journey' before her body stopped hormoning the fark out, if ...


Self-control can be taught to a nine year old. I have sympathy for people who are healthy and then an accident or illness causes them to gain weight. That isn't their "fault." But you can only ride that excuse for so long. Regardless of how much she weighed as a child or what happened during puberty, she's in college now. She's at least 18, and even though I can't say for sure I can reasonably infer that she hasn't been doing much about her weight. Partly because she ends her rant with the statement "who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was." Like that justifies being that way. If you don't like being teased for being fat, lose the weight. If you don't like being excluded from the fancy parties, stop getting stumbling down drunk. If you don't like being kept away from your family functions, stop smoking. You cannot say that just because you've been making poor choices all your life that those choices are an indelible part of your being.
 
2012-10-23 11:44:11 AM

Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties

You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men

False, I've been with two fatties, they were both terrible lays.


In my experience plus size gals try harder Btw you called them fatties but still gave them the pipe? That's an a-hole move
 
2012-10-23 11:45:17 AM

orbister: FTFA: This picture is for the strange man at my nanny's church who told me my belly was too big when I was five.
This picture is for my horseback riding trainer telling me I was too fat when I was nine.
This picture is for the girl from summer camp who told me I'd be really pretty if I just lost a few pounds

So. Fat and can't take a hint.

Incidentally, why do those "stretch marks" look like hand prints?


See above somewhere.....something about a skinny guy getting stuck or a meal trying to get out. I laughed
 
2012-10-23 11:47:36 AM

Ball Zitch: Mid_mo_mad_man: BolshyGreatYarblocks: fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.

And if they do, when the EMT guy shows up at the motel and cries, "My God!! How did this happen?!", you respond by dropping your trousers and waving your bloodied manhood in his face.



/thanks Seanbaby!

Mine requires a permit from the county sheriff

Mine has a death sentence in 12 systems.


I once pulled a drowning man to safety with mine
 
2012-10-23 11:47:53 AM

ChuDogg: Dinner might be the worst as you may end up on stocking up on calories before sleeping, offsetting any gains during the day. If you need a good meal focus on lunch, or maybe a "lunner" at like 2-3 pm.


Meal timing doesn't actually matter. If you eat a meal at 3 pm or eat that same meal at 10 pm right before bed, it doesn't make a difference. Your body doesn't handle it any differently.

theoutlaw: Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.


The thing is, starvation mode is not that easy to get to. You have to be eating at a pretty big deficient (>500 calories at the bare minimum, for the vast majority of people, especially overweight people, it is a lot larger than that) for several weeks before it sets in. And if you exercise while in starvation mode, you certainly won't gain weight. An overweight going from 2000 to 1500 won't go into starvation mode for a long, long, long time because they already have fat stored up. If you are 500 cal below maintenance and not stick-thin already, you won't get into starvation mode. The problem is that people try to lose weight by going into huge deficits, i.e. 3000 calorie maintenance and eating 500 calories a day, which does lead to "starvation mode", thinking it will go faster if they do.

There is no reason you cannot lose weight. Stop making excuses.
 
2012-10-23 12:00:18 PM
I eat one grape and I feel bloated all day. I wish I could pack down the food like some of these fatties with BMIs in the high teens, but my mother wasn't crossbred with a mud wallowing pig. The most food you need to eat a day is a thin slice of whole grain bread and a little bit of dew that you can get by licking the grass. No wonder you people are so disgusting.
 
2012-10-23 12:02:01 PM
To the people making the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument, you need to just stop. You sound like a creationist that doesn't understand either the law or how/where it is actually applicable to physical systems. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is NOT directly applicable to an active organism that is governed by complex biochemical processes, especially when the goal is something as highly SPECIFIC as health and adipose tissue reduction.

Fat tissue is not subject to the whims and desires of the consciousness of the person whose body it is in, nor is it a passive storage point for excess energy. It is innervated, active tissue that can demand more Calories at the expense of the organism as a whole. There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.

A similar condition can and does happen to people through a combination of genetics and a diet that has screwed up hormone signaling, sometimes permanently. If someone has the unfortunate double whammy of poor genetics and an unhealthy upbringing (raised on processed/junk food and poor education) then they are in for a grueling time when it comes to healthy weight loss, through no fault of their own.

Giving horrible advice, such as starving yourself, which is what you are doing when you are hungry but not eating, is terrible and counter-productive. Bodybuilders and athletes with weight classes (weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) often undergo purposeful calorie deficits for very short periods of time, even these extremely dedicated athletes with iron wills find the task near impossible, and certainly cannot maintain it for any length of time required to lose significant amounts of weight. Bodybuilders especially often end up causing themselves physical and psychological damage.

Obesity is America is a large-scale, public health issue and it is fueled by cheap corn and companies feeding highly processed non-food to the population, which in turn screws up their metabolism making them sick and causing their bodies to store more fat than they otherwise would. The only real solution involves the entire society, but each of us can do our part by eating real, healthy, unprocessed food.

/running long slow distances (e.g. marathons) isn't really that good for you and also isn't a good exercise for losing fat
// "Input < Output" is bad and incorrect advice
 
2012-10-23 12:05:13 PM
Here's the major difference between fatties & smokers (to all you people talking

Oafmeel: [i1245.photobucket.com image 533x312] approves.
...and so do I.

CSB time:
ex GF has a father who is super critical of her weight. When he tried the same act on me, I told him with a straight face that (a) weight and physical form aren't character flaws, and (b) and if he really thought so, he could eat a bag of dicks for all I cared. We got along just fine after that. Sometimes, you just need to put someone in their place & get on with your own life.
/CSB


Yeah, problem is there aren't any fat chicks in that Sir-Mix-A-Lot video... just girls with big butts. This girl is overweight and probably getting close to obese. Being fat is not cool. This society of complacency and acceptance is what's turning us into fatties in the first place.
 
2012-10-23 12:06:35 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Ball Zitch: Mid_mo_mad_man: BolshyGreatYarblocks: fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.

And if they do, when the EMT guy shows up at the motel and cries, "My God!! How did this happen?!", you respond by dropping your trousers and waving your bloodied manhood in his face.



/thanks Seanbaby!

Mine requires a permit from the county sheriff

Mine has a death sentence in 12 systems.

I once pulled a drowning man to safety with mine


content8.flixster.com
 
2012-10-23 12:11:56 PM

Beta Tested: To the people making the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument, you need to just stop. You sound like a creationist that doesn't understand either the law or how/where it is actually applicable to physical systems. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is NOT directly applicable to an active organism that is governed by complex biochemical processes, especially when the goal is something as highly SPECIFIC as health and adipose tissue reduction.

Fat tissue is not subject to the whims and desires of the consciousness of the person whose body it is in, nor is it a passive storage point for excess energy. It is innervated, active tissue that can demand more Calories at the expense of the organism as a whole. There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.

A similar condition can and does happen to people through a combination of genetics and a diet that has screwed up hormone signaling, sometimes permanently. If someone has the unfortunate double whammy of poor genetics and an unhealthy upbringing (raised on processed/junk food and poor education) then they are in for a grueling time when it comes to healthy weight loss, through no fault of their own.

Giving horrible advice, such as starving yourself, which is what you are doing when you are hungry but not eating, is terrible and counter-productive. Bodybuilders and athletes with weight classes (weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) often undergo purposeful calorie deficits for very short periods of time, even these extremely dedicated athletes with iron wills find the task near impossible, and certainly cannot maintain it for any length of time required to lose significant amounts of weight. Bodybuilders especially often end up causing themselves physical and psychological damage.

Obesity is America is ...


No, the second law of thermodynamics does apply to obesity. If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight. The energy has to come from somewhere. If a person is eating at a deficit and truly not losing weight, they should see a physicist because our energy problems can be solved.

And I laughed about the weight classes athletes part. Typically they don't "go hungry" except for the day of weigh in; you know why? It would destroy their energy and strength for competition. They eat at a deficit, but not to the point where they go hungry. They work out a lot leading up to competition, which burns calories and fat, and then a few days before weigh ins they cut out sodium and carbs (to lose glycogen and retain less water) and dehydrate themselves what they need to in order to make weight. They only "starve" themselves the day of weigh in, and that is so that the weight of the food in their stomachs doesn't make them miss weight.

Agreed about long distance running, though.
 
2012-10-23 12:17:39 PM
Fat people are ugly because it's unhealthy.
Isn't it a little unhealthy to vehemently berate women on the Internet just because they don't arouse you?
 
2012-10-23 12:19:38 PM

Beta Tested: There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.


(Citation Needed)
 
2012-10-23 12:21:46 PM

The Only Jeff: Beta Tested: There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.

(Citation Needed)


There are Zucker rats, but they were specifically bred and genetically mutated to be super fat... I don't think they starve to death before using fat reserves for energy, though, and if they do, there's no way that is natural since from an evolutionary standpoint, it'd be certain death for a species.
 
2012-10-23 12:23:13 PM

machoprogrammer: The Only Jeff: Beta Tested: There is a strain of rats used in obesity research, called Zucker Rats, whose fat tissue is SO GREEDY that they will actually starve to death fat. Their bodies will consume their critical organ tissue (heart, liver, etc) before it will use those fat reserves for energy.

(Citation Needed)

There are Zucker rats, but they were specifically bred and genetically mutated to be super fat... I don't think they starve to death before using fat reserves for energy, though, and if they do, there's no way that is natural since from an evolutionary standpoint, it'd be certain death for a species.


Right. I know they exist, but a quick Google search didn't reveal that their bodies would kill them before letting them be skinny.
 
2012-10-23 12:26:38 PM
Attention whores gonna attention whore, stretch marks and all.

No woman, whatever she looks like, almost without exception, can or should ever be taken seriously when they moan and whine about "being judged" on their appearance when, no matter what they look like, there are men who will be willing to fark and/or date them.
 
2012-10-23 12:39:28 PM

The Only Jeff: (Citation Needed)

There are Zucker rats, but they were specifically bred and genetically mutated to be super fat... I don't think they starve to death before using fat reserves for energy, though, and if they do, there's no way that is natural since from an evolutionary standpoint, it'd be certain death for a species.

Right. I know they exist, but a quick Google search didn't reveal that their bodies would kill them before letting them be skinny.


I was slightly mis-remembering, but my point still stands, I read it in "Good Calories, Bad Calories". Basically Zucker rats lose fat as they starve to death but less than normal rats, and they still die pretty fat when compared to normal rats. There were some other interesting things I had forgotten about as well, for example:

"What's more, as Greenwood reported, these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50 percent less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30 percent less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat."

Go to Good-Calories-Bad-Calories-Gary-Taubes and search "Zucker Rats", bunch of good stuff.

The point is, and my point still stands, is that healthily losing weight is not "eat less", but much more complex than that, and you might do more harm than good by just "eating less".
 
2012-10-23 12:39:42 PM

FarkinHostile: astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.



Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Actually, it does in a way. Did you know that, if you weighed 300 lbs and lost half of that so that you weighed 150 lbs, you would always have to eat less than someone who always weighed 150 lbs in order to maintain the same weight?
Everyone likes to think it is as simple as cutting a couple hundred calories a day and taking a 30 minute walk and, voila, you will be skinny. It isn't, and there's a shiat-ton of research that demonstrates that.
 
2012-10-23 12:41:20 PM

steppenwolf: Fat people are ugly because it's unhealthy.
Isn't it a little unhealthy to vehemently berate women on the Internet just because they don't arouse you?


No actually studies have shown that berating fat attention whores on the internet is very good for you.

Fark alone has saved 100's of lives.

Pity that you are wasting yours, Shamu..... (Oh yeah, feel the burn! now I can skip my run tonight. I feel like a 100 dollars!)
 
2012-10-23 12:48:17 PM
fingers like Vienna sausages
 
2012-10-23 12:48:43 PM

Beta Tested: I was slightly mis-remembering, but my point still stands, I read it in "Good Calories, Bad Calories". Basically Zucker rats lose fat as they starve to death but less than normal rats, and they still die pretty fat when compared to normal rats. There were some other interesting things I had forgotten about as well, for example:

"What's more, as Greenwood reported, these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50 percent less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30 percent less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat."

Go to Good-Calories-Bad-Calories-Gary-Taubes and search "Zucker Rats", bunch of good stuff.

The point is, and my point still stands, is that healthily losing weight is not "eat less", but much more complex than that, and you might do more harm than good by just "eating less".


Healthy weight is attained by eating less and reasonable exercise. It may take years, but it is attainable. And skinniness isn't even necessarily the goal, not being obese like the woman from the article is.
 
2012-10-23 12:49:50 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties

You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men

False, I've been with two fatties, they were both terrible lays.

In my experience plus size gals try harder Btw you called them fatties but still gave them the pipe? That's an a-hole move


Is it? We were both drunk, they weren't expecting anything more than getting laid. what's the big deal?
 
2012-10-23 12:50:50 PM
Almost invariably, whenever some story like this breaks, scores of women - both thin and fat - decry the fact that women are judged on their appearance, and declare "women of ALL sizes are beautiful" etc, ad nauseum.

They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

It's one kind of hypocrisy coming from thin women, who (and this is perfectly acceptable) date and fark men similarly physically fit, yet it's another one entirely when these same plus-sized women haven't and won't, themselves, date a plus size man.

Offsetting penalties, replay the down.
 
2012-10-23 12:51:53 PM

ChuDogg: Girion47: ChuDogg: Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.

True. It's good to be honest about. Its not just overweight people. The average daily grind is very dreary and boring. So we eat. We stock up on a big hour long lunch and gather around for a big dinner. Neither of which are really required to sustain working in an office cubicle all day. Some people get overweight from it and some don't. Which is why overweight people are often in disbelief and think there is nothing they can do. Truth is it is not unhealthy to eat just one meal a day, and is more than enough to prevent "starvation mode". Emprically the metabolic swing of going on a low cal diet versus a 5-meal a day diet is only a few hundred calories, while consuming likely over a thousand calories more.

Everyone should try fasting or minifasts every once inawhile just to give themselves a reality check. Or just not give a shiat, nothing wrong with that either (as long as we're not AWing our lack of shiats given)

I've been keeping myself to 300 calories in the morning, no more than 500 at lunch, and I tend to ignore dinner calorie counts. I've also cut soda out, and I don't drink liquor M-Th. I'm curious to see ...


I'm not stocking up on Calories at dinner. It's below 1200 calories, whatever I eat. My aim each day is about 1700 calories. If I get up to 2100, it isn't a big deal. I'm running on MWF and drinking only water and a cup of black coffee at most.
 
2012-10-23 12:53:26 PM

Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: Girion47: Mid_mo_mad_man: kungfu jesus with a side of lime: BBW was created for a reason. Just fight the right partner and he will slap your thighs and ride the wave in. Not me however, I dont dig fatties

You haven't had good sex till your laid the loving on a heavyset gal. They try much harder to please their men

False, I've been with two fatties, they were both terrible lays.

In my experience plus size gals try harder Btw you called them fatties but still gave them the pipe? That's an a-hole move

Is it? We were both drunk, they weren't expecting anything more than getting laid. what's the big deal?


Respect the pu$&y no matter the source. The lady folk talk
 
2012-10-23 12:53:47 PM

Oh_Enough_Already: Almost invariably, whenever some story like this breaks, scores of women - both thin and fat - decry the fact that women are judged on their appearance, and declare "women of ALL sizes are beautiful" etc, ad nauseum.

They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

It's one kind of hypocrisy coming from thin women, who (and this is perfectly acceptable) date and fark men similarly physically fit, yet it's another one entirely when these same plus-sized women haven't and won't, themselves, date a plus size man.

Offsetting penalties, replay the down.


My wife dated a fat guy, and hated it. He was disgusting. I've hooked up with fat chicks and had a roommate that had a fetish for them, they were nasty as well.

Not sure why it's a bad thing to not enjoy human beings that look unnatural.
 
2012-10-23 12:56:45 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip


Why do people always pull that crap when you say you don't find fat girls attractive? Why do the chubby chasers start screaming about how if you don't like fatties you must be lusting after those models who look like heroin addicts and would fall through a crack in the floor. Why do they have to go to the other extreme? Well let me tell you chubby chasers something, I don't find the facebook girls body attractive, and I don't find Kate Moss body attractive either. Here's a little something more my style.
jumpingjaxfitness.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-23 12:58:06 PM

The Only Jeff: Healthy weight is attained by eating less and reasonable exercise. It may take years, but it is attainable. And skinniness isn't even necessarily the goal, not being obese like the woman from the article is.


Except this is wrong, healthy weight is achieved by eating the RIGHT foods, ones that don't mess up your hormone signaling. You can "eat less" and still gain weight, this is poor advice.

You CAN gain weight by force-feeding yourself healthy food, but that is as difficult as losing weight by starving yourself on the wrong foods. Organisms are amazingly homeostatic, they WANT to be their "correct weight", and will fight to stay that way... that is unless you interrupt, damage or destroy the mechanisms used to do this.
 
2012-10-23 12:59:13 PM
I'd hit it.
 
2012-10-23 12:59:30 PM

machoprogrammer: peachfish: People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Sorry, you follow the laws of thermodynamics like everyone else in the universe. 20 floors a day isn't exactly a lot when it comes to calorie burning or cardio (maybe if you are sprinting all 20 floors consecutively, then it might). I guarantee you that your diet is the cause of it -- either you are eating too much or too little (and thus, starvation mode). Weigh your food (always go by weight, not volume), figure out your TDEE, and eat 500 calories less than it.

WinoRhino: I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.

I am guessing you are eating too much then. You follow the laws of thermodynamics just like everything else in our universe. Running actually doesn't burn that many calories (130 calories per mile). So if you ran 10 miles, that is 1300 calories, or roughly 2 big macs.


But wait, according to "the laws of thermodynamics" the idea of "starvation mode" doesn't exist. You can't say it's "calories in versus calories out" and then start adding exceptions, unless you acknowledge it's a lot more complicated.
Incidentally, I eat about 1600 calories a day (keep in mind I'm also nursing a baby).
Likely the big difference for me is that I once weighed 70 lbs more than I do now. My metabolism has been permanently altered and to lose more weight I would likely need to drop my calories even lower. Tell me how long you would last or how good you would feel on say, 1400 calories a day plus exercise and (in my case) lactating? And we wonder why people "fail" at diets.
My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.
 
2012-10-23 01:03:56 PM
Those are some sexy stretchmarks.
 
2012-10-23 01:05:33 PM

Beta Tested: The Only Jeff: Healthy weight is attained by eating less and reasonable exercise. It may take years, but it is attainable. And skinniness isn't even necessarily the goal, not being obese like the woman from the article is.

Except this is wrong, healthy weight is achieved by eating the RIGHT foods, ones that don't mess up your hormone signaling. You can "eat less" and still gain weight, this is poor advice.

You CAN gain weight by force-feeding yourself healthy food, but that is as difficult as losing weight by starving yourself on the wrong foods. Organisms are amazingly homeostatic, they WANT to be their "correct weight", and will fight to stay that way... that is unless you interrupt, damage or destroy the mechanisms used to do this.


Eating less...of the wrong foods.
 
2012-10-23 01:08:20 PM
What idiot is calling her a hero? This shouldn't even be "news".

She is no better than any other idiot in a 2 piece trying to get as much attention as possible. Just another attention whore begging for her 15 minutes of fame.
 
2012-10-23 01:09:14 PM

Girion47: Oh_Enough_Already: Almost invariably, whenever some story like this breaks, scores of women - both thin and fat - decry the fact that women are judged on their appearance, and declare "women of ALL sizes are beautiful" etc, ad nauseum.

They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

It's one kind of hypocrisy coming from thin women, who (and this is perfectly acceptable) date and fark men similarly physically fit, yet it's another one entirely when these same plus-sized women haven't and won't, themselves, date a plus size man.

Offsetting penalties, replay the down.

My wife dated a fat guy, and hated it. He was disgusting. I've hooked up with fat chicks and had a roommate that had a fetish for them, they were nasty as well.

Not sure why it's a bad thing to not enjoy human beings that look unnatural.


It's not a bad thing.

I was just raising the hypocrisy of those women who argue that "all women are beautiful" yet don't hold themselves to the same standards (or lack of them) they demand or expect from men.

Then again, double standards are nothing new with that half of the population, really.
 
2012-10-23 01:13:32 PM

machoprogrammer: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

This

serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

And this.

Just think, if we can convince heart disease and diabetes that being fat is now normal, we will be in great shape! I have no sympathy for fat people, as anyone can lose weight. Calories in - Calories out. If that is negative, weight loss. Instead of fries, eat vegetables. Instead of soda, drink water. You will lose weight.


Shut up you cock.

At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.
 
2012-10-23 01:13:46 PM

peachfish: But wait, according to "the laws of thermodynamics" the idea of "starvation mode" doesn't exist. You can't say it's "calories in versus calories out" and then start adding exceptions, unless you acknowledge it's a lot more complicated.
Incidentally, I eat about 1600 calories a day (keep in mind I'm also nursing a baby).
Likely the big difference for me is that I once weighed 70 lbs more than I do now. My metabolism has been permanently altered and to lose more weight I would likely need to drop my calories even lower. Tell me how long you would last or how good you would feel on say, 1400 calories a day plus exercise and (in my case) lactating? And we wonder why people "fail" at diets.
My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.


No, it is calories in - calories out. However, in "starvation mode", calories out goes down. It is still calories in - calories out. I have no idea how lactation effects calories, as I am a single male.

If you are exercising and lactating (assuming lactating means more calories and you are truly exercising), you need more than 1400 calories. Assuming you are 140 lbs, that alone means a TDEE of roughly 1400.

The reason people "fail" at diets is not because of hormones or anything. It is because diets are temporary. You need to make lifestyle changes. People lose weight on a diet, then go back to eating like a pig then complain it didn't work. Well no shiat.
 
2012-10-23 01:18:18 PM

Overfiend: At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.


Rates of diabetes have increased markedly over the last 50 years in parallel with obesity. As of 2010 there are approximately 285 million people with the disease compared to around 30 million in 1985.

Ms. Fatty McSelfesteem can "deal" with paying for her own insulin shots.
 
2012-10-23 01:21:41 PM

halfof33: steppenwolf: Fat people are ugly because it's unhealthy.
Isn't it a little unhealthy to vehemently berate women on the Internet just because they don't arouse you?

No actually studies have shown that berating fat attention whores on the internet is very good for you.

Fark alone has saved 100's of lives.

Pity that you are wasting yours, Shamu..... (Oh yeah, feel the burn! now I can skip my run tonight. I feel like a 100 dollars!)


0/10

Those 100s of lives saved by Fark are easily offset by the number of kittens the Boobies tab has destroyed.
 
2012-10-23 01:24:03 PM
I guess the cake isn't a lie after all...


seeingbones.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-23 01:26:45 PM

The Only Jeff: Eating less...of the wrong foods.


As long as you make up the difference with the right foods, JUST eating less might cause more harm than good, once again I will quote the relevant part of Good Calories, Bad Calories.

"What's more, as Greenwood reported, these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50 percent less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30 percent less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat."
 
2012-10-23 01:27:06 PM

Overfiend: Shut up you cock.

At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.



You sound fat.

Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.
 
2012-10-23 01:27:57 PM
I blame the media for making 'anorexia' a bad word. Several studies have shown that starvation diets actually increase lifespan.

Obese people should just not eat.. at all. I guarantee they will lose weight.

The problem is everyone derives comfort from eating, they hate suffering through hunger pains and headaches. Sounds to me they just don't want it bad enough. And if thats the case, they can deal with the emotional pain of humiliation.

If we weren't so industrialized these fatties would have been eaten by tigers along time ago. Survival of the fittest is no more.
 
2012-10-23 01:30:10 PM
Fat is fat, skinny is skinny, but healthy is healthy.... Love what you like and always love yourself. If you don't love yourself in what ever state you are in, change it!!!! If you do, fark everyone else that has a problem with you and your 'weight'.
 
2012-10-23 01:32:30 PM

Beta Tested: Except this is wrong, healthy weight is achieved by eating the RIGHT foods, ones that don't mess up your hormone signaling.


On an out-of-town work contract where the only local restaurant was a Wendy's, even running around all day and taking the stairs to my 30th floor temp suite - including grocery shopping - didn't prevent me gaining 25 lbs in two months. Fast food is the devil. After that experience I avoid it whenever possible, ignore their published calorie counts, quartered my wheat intake for other grains and found outdoor activities I enjoyed. Who cares if it takes time to get healthier?
 
2012-10-23 01:33:21 PM

machoprogrammer: Overfiend: Shut up you cock.

At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.


You sound fat.

Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.


people saying shiat like that made me overweight. I always heard "too skinny" and "eat more" So I did. Now I'm 30 lbs over what I want to be.(165 is the goal) Being borderline obese(I'm 5'10") farking sucks, it's disgusting, there's nothing to be proud of. Being fat is gross, it's unhealthy, and it isn't acceptable.
 
2012-10-23 01:33:29 PM
I feel sympathy, but then I remember that I'm fat too, and don't find it the least bit unreasonable for people to ask me not to wear a Speedo on the beach.

/Maybe next summer, if I can keep the gym-going up.
 
2012-10-23 01:34:20 PM

Beta Tested: The Only Jeff: Eating less...of the wrong foods.

As long as you make up the difference with the right foods, JUST eating less might cause more harm than good, once again I will quote the relevant part of Good Calories, Bad Calories.

"What's more, as Greenwood reported, these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50 percent less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30 percent less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat."


You can definitely eat too much of "good" foods (ask any bodybuilder), and studies on humans (not genetically modified Zucker rats) have shown a macro is a macro and doesn't matter if it is "good" or "bad". In fact, there is a new diet that is called "If it fits your macros", where you eat whatever the fark you want as long as you get the right amount of carbs/fats/protein. And people get results on it.
 
2012-10-23 01:35:09 PM
To quote the comedian Katt Williams: "We [men] don't have no time to worry 'bout no shiat like stretch marks. They came from either one of two things. Either you was big and got small, or you was small and got big! Either way we farkin'!"
 
2012-10-23 01:36:46 PM
Those fat people that do marathons and stuff are still eating too much. get over it. They have not adjusted their calorie intake to account for their higher efficiency. When you are in great shape you don't burn as many calories with your amazing exercise regimen.

See it all the time. really fat person gets exercising and eating better, drops some weight, then stalls. Eventually they up their exercise too much and injure themselves (knees usually, or back). When what they needed to do was leave the exercise where it was and tighten up the food intake again. Look, without steroids you just aren't going to get any more muscle at your age. You don't *need* all that protein. You just need to start making your meals smaller. What *was* dieting for you two months ago is no longer dieting.


as for this girl, the signs are bad. She can't be more than 25 and she has the body of a woman in her mid forties. Her tits are small, which means her natural waist size is quite a bit smaller than this size.
She could get to her healthy size in a year if she did it right. One year for about 25 lbs. Entirely manageable for someone with a plan. That's less than a pound a week. She can't try something to improve her entire life with just one year of effort ?
 
2012-10-23 01:37:33 PM

machoprogrammer: No, it is calories in - calories out. However, in "starvation mode", calories out goes down. It is still calories in - calories out. I have no idea how lactation effects calories, as I am a single male."

If you are exercising and lactating (assuming lactating means more calories and you are truly exercising), you need more than 1400 calories. Assuming you are 140 lbs, that alone means a TDEE of roughly 1400.

The reason people "fail" at diets is not because of hormones or anything. It is because diets are temporary. You need to make lifestyle changes. People lose weight on a diet, then go back to eating like a pig then complain it didn't work. Well no shiat.


Did you just start ignoring my earlier posts? This isn't true, from my earlier link:

"They will consume the protein in their muscles and organs rather than surrender the fat in their adipose tissue. Indeed, when these fat mice are starved, they do not become lean mice; rather, as William Sheldon might have put it, they become emaciated versions of fat mice"

Weight (fat) gain is a symptom of metabolic disorder, being fat doesn't cause the health issues you see (like Type II diabetes), but accompanies them. As in nearly all diseases not all of the symptoms for the disease manifest in all cases and that has almost everything to do with hormone signaling. That is why some people can eat lots of crap and stay skinny, they can also still get metabolic syndrome and have Type II diabetes. Conversely some people can be quite fit and healthy but overweight (generally not VERY overweight though).

You can also get metabolic disorder (and the weight related issues) from non-consumption diseases, including brain tumors, genetic diseases and so on. It is NOT just Calories In/Calories Out.

/If I remember correctly, lactating women should consume at least an extra 400-500 calories. This, of course, varies.
 
2012-10-23 01:41:39 PM
i2.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 01:45:38 PM

machoprogrammer: Overfiend: Shut up you cock.

At least she can lose weight - you won't be able to lose being an ahole.


You sound fat.

Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.


Poor baby...

Is that the reason you are a tool?
 
2012-10-23 01:46:46 PM

Beta Tested: Did you just start ignoring my earlier posts? This isn't true, from my earlier link:

"They will consume the protein in their muscles and organs rather than surrender the fat in their adipose tissue. Indeed, when these fat mice are starved, they do not become lean mice; rather, as William Sheldon might have put it, they become emaciated versions of fat mice"

Weight (fat) gain is a symptom of metabolic disorder, being fat doesn't cause the health issues you see (like Type II diabetes), but accompanies them. As in nearly all diseases not all of the symptoms for the disease manifest in all cases and that has almost everything to do with hormone signaling. That is why some people can eat lots of crap and stay skinny, they can also still get metabolic syndrome and have Type II diabetes. Conversely some people can be quite fit and healthy but overweight (generally not VERY overweight though).

You can also get metabolic disorder (and the weight related issues) from non-consumption diseases, including brain tumors, genetic diseases and so on. It is NOT just Calories In/Calories Out.

/If I remember correctly, lactating women should consume at least an extra 400-500 calories. This, of course, varies.



Humans are not Zucker rats. Zucker rats were genetically modified.

Fat is 9 calories per gram. Calories are a measurement of energy. Body fat, also, contains 9 calories per gram (roughly, its a bit off because of water and such of course). You cannot add fat if you aren't eating calories. That would mean creating energy.

If it was truly hormones like you say, no one would be able to lose weight. Even the 1000 lb people confined to a bed can lose weight (and they do when they get admitted).

Stop trying to justify it. Anyone can lose weight.
 
2012-10-23 01:48:57 PM
remember losers, fat girls give it up easier than the skinny biatches.
 
2012-10-23 01:49:13 PM

Beta Tested: The Only Jeff: Eating less...of the wrong foods.

As long as you make up the difference with the right foods, JUST eating less might cause more harm than good, once again I will quote the relevant part of Good Calories, Bad Calories.

"What's more, as Greenwood reported, these semi-starved Zucker rats had 50 percent less muscle mass than genetically lean rats, and 30 percent less muscle mass than the Zucker rats that ate as much as they wanted. They, too, were sacrificing their muscles and organs to make fat."


Jesus Christ you're flailing. I already said in my original statement "and reasonable exercise." Obviously, when I say eat less, I don't mean eat less grains but more Twinkies. I shouldn't have to qualify everything I say, use some reading comprehension.
 
2012-10-23 01:49:54 PM
The problem with "calories in - calories out" is that the "2nd law of thermodynamics" brings about all the wrong analogies. Second, I don't know if anyone who uses the term "starvation mode" has a clue what that means, or even if it has basis in reality -- the human metabolism is still being actively researched; a lot of what we put in authoritative texts 20, 30, 50 years ago have been blown up. All that said, the human body burns energy more like a household than some simple energy-load system. Imagine a house being run by a single generator that's periodically re-fueled. If you turn on all the lights, HVAC, oven, vacuum cleaner, what have you, you will burn a lot of energy, sure. But you're not the only person in the house. Others will compete for the same energy, to the point where even if the generator's running out of fuel, that bratty sister will insist on running her 2kW hair dryer while you get hypothermia because there's no juice left to run the heaters. The human body has a LOT of systems, the energy management system isn't perfect, and you have direct control over very few of them. The skeletal muscles, frontal lobe and. . . that's about it, really. And if all else fails, the body will hit you with lethargy to rob you of both, which makes doing things like exercising or working for a paycheck very difficult.

So if you DO want to lose weight, you have to focus on what you can control. Yes, that means eating less food, but here's where your "calories in - calories out" fundies go full derp. This is BIOCHEMISTRY you're oversimplifying here. If "a calorie is a calorie", why can't we metabolize cellulose? There's a lot of energy in that. Why is methanol toxic while glucose is not? If you're willing to admit that there's a difference between glucose and methanol, then you need to STFU about "a calorie is a calorie". We're only just now un-doing about forty years' worth of outdated science and public policy by finally understanding the biological mechanisms of the various compounds we utilize for energy and thus refer to as "calories". FYI, there are some energy sources that provide calories that aren't counted by the government's rules, and others that don't provide energy that are. We are counting calories based on science that's at least forty years out-of-date. Actually, the very notion of counting calories is arguably outdated.

OK, so, the reason why obesity is on the rise is because we've gotten too good at refining and processing foods. Then the "calorie is a calorie" derpheads took over the food industry and convinced the world that there's no difference between, say, a hydrogenated vegetable oil and a naturally saturated fatty acid, and if it affects you negatively it's your fault. This is stupid. The latter is a compound evolution has dealt with for tens of millions of years; the former may look similar but results in a completely different set of by-products, and it's those by-products your body uses as signals to interpret as "enough" or "MOAR". But to top it off, they have the gall to claim a synthetic your body goes "WTF" over is healthier than compounds your body evolved to digest. Also, your body is adapted to various combinations of compounds found in nature. In some cases, the effect is tied to one chemical while the biofeedback signal is tied to another. Glucose is benign, but the body never expects it to be separated from fiber and water. There isn't a whole lot of point to eating fiber just for the sake of eating fiber. What fiber does is aid in water absorption and attenuate sugar absorption. Your body deals better with the trifecta than the individual compounds. Fiber without water is bad (it can cause intestinal problems), sugar without fiber is bad (causes hyperglycemia), and water without sugar is. . . well, not bad, but not a very efficient way to hydrate. The food industry has gotten to the point where people are paying money to buy these ingredients separately when just eating a damned carrot gets you all three at once.
 
2012-10-23 01:52:28 PM

liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.


Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?
 
2012-10-23 01:52:59 PM

theoutlaw: fat kids can't do a bunch about it


Their parents can, though. Whether a kid is fat or not is not a lottery.
 
2012-10-23 01:54:51 PM

machoprogrammer: You can definitely eat too much of "good" foods (ask any bodybuilder), and studies on humans (not genetically modified Zucker rats) have shown a macro is a macro and doesn't matter if it is "good" or "bad". In fact, there is a new diet that is called "If it fits your macros", where you eat whatever the fark you want as long as you get the right amount of carbs/fats/protein. And people get results on it.


People get results on all sorts of diets, some work better/faster than others, but the universal overriding factor in all of these diets is that people stop eating crappy food. Crappy food makes you sick, and being sick makes you fatter than you otherwise should be.

Did you ever ask yourself WHAT is different about the Zucker Rats? Do you just see "genetically modified" and for no reason dismiss everything else? They are genetically modified in such a way that they have a modified leptin receptor, "Leptin is a 16 kDa protein hormone that plays a key role in regulating energy intake and energy expenditure, including appetite/hunger and metabolism."

Furthermore, "It is one of the most important adipose derived hormones." Did you get all that? Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them. A small change to the gene that controls the receptor can make a rat very, very fat for no other reason. This knowledge and line of investigation is DIRECTLY relevant to humans who have leptin, leptin receptors, and fat cells. And they demonstrate, unarguably, that there is more to fat gain/loss than your simplistic and incorrect "Calories in/Calories out".

And I have done the get bigger by force feeding myself healthy food. It isn't easy, at all, and no person would do it without a specific goal in mind. You don't just naturally overeat on healthy food the way you do on junk food. And, as I said before it is as difficult, if not more difficult, than losing weight by starving yourself.
 
2012-10-23 01:56:36 PM

Beta Tested: To the people making the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument, you need to just stop. You sound like a creationist that doesn't understand either the law or how/where it is actually applicable to physical systems. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is NOT directly applicable to an active organism that is governed by complex biochemical processes, especially when the goal is something as highly SPECIFIC as health and adipose tissue reduction.


Spot on. It's the FIRST Law of Thermodynamics which matters here.
 
2012-10-23 01:59:07 PM

machoprogrammer: No, the second law of thermodynamics does apply to obesity. If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight.


That's not the second law. The second law says you can't turn the energy in food directly into mechanical work with 100% efficiency. The first law explains why fatties are fat while the second explains why they sweat when reaching for the burger.
 
2012-10-23 02:00:49 PM

Overfiend: Poor baby...

Is that the reason you are a tool?



Aww, is fatty sad? Would a slice of cheese cake make you feel better?


PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?


Umm, no. That isn't "extreme". That is called "eating right and exercise". And anyone can lose weight.


Beta Tested: People get results on all sorts of diets, some work better/faster than others, but the universal overriding factor in all of these diets is that people stop eating crappy food. Crappy food makes you sick, and being sick makes you fatter than you otherwise should be.

Did you ever ask yourself WHAT is different about the Zucker Rats? Do you just see "genetically modified" and for no reason dismiss everything else? They are genetically modified in such a way that they have a modified leptin receptor, "Leptin is a 16 kDa protein hormone that plays a key role in regulating energy intake and energy expenditure, including appetite/hunger and metabolism."

Furthermore, "It is one of the most important adipose derived hormones." Did you get all that? Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them. A small change to the gene that controls the receptor can make a rat very, very fat for no other reason. This knowledge and line of investigation is DIRECTLY relevant to humans who have leptin, leptin receptors, and fat cells. And they demonstrate, unarguably, that there is more to fat gain/loss than your simplistic and incorrect "Calories in/Calories out".

And I have done the get bigger by force feeding myself healthy food. It isn't easy, at all, and no person would do it without a specific goal in mind. You don't just naturally overeat on healthy food the way you do on junk food. And, as I said before it is as difficult, if not more difficult, than losing weight by starving yourself.



Right, but the body cannot make fat out of nothing. It has to have energy to store in the fat. I don't argue some people naturally get fatter than others; that is obvious. The best and easiest way to lose weight is to eat healthier and exercise; it is that easy. Instead of fries, eat carrots. Instead of soda, drink water. etc
 
2012-10-23 02:02:12 PM

dragonchild: The problem with "calories in - calories out" is that the "2nd law of thermodynamics" brings about all the wrong analogies. Second, I don't know if anyone who uses the term "starvation mode" has a clue what that means, or even if it has basis in reality...


THANK YOU.

Finally someone that knows what the heck they are talking about. The house metaphor is fantastic btw, and I am going to unashamedly steal it.
 
2012-10-23 02:07:31 PM

orbister: machoprogrammer: No, the second law of thermodynamics does apply to obesity. If you eat less calories than you burn, you will lose weight.

That's not the second law. The second law says you can't turn the energy in food directly into mechanical work with 100% efficiency. The first law explains why fatties are fat while the second explains why they sweat when reaching for the burger.


Oh, right. My bad :)
 
2012-10-23 02:11:13 PM

fireclown: Mid_mo_mad_man: Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

I am here to verify that skinny chicks do not break in half.


Not unless your mood music is "John Henry Was A Steel Drivin' Man"
 
2012-10-23 02:11:42 PM

theflatline: astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."

I am skinny and can do a 5k fairly easy, even at 42 years old. Hell, I climbed to the top of a glacier and peaked down a live volcano last year. Do I consider them great feats, nooo.

And doing a marathon in 8 hours is nothing to brag about.


Don't you have somewhere to be in about 20min?
 
2012-10-23 02:12:49 PM

notmtwain:
Even the lowest Farkers must give her respect. 

// I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that no one here will make fun of this woman. We've come too far.


Bless. That's the funniest thing I've read today. Just because Fark has gone all liberal doesn't change a thing, it's just self-righteous biatching now.
 
2012-10-23 02:16:42 PM

machoprogrammer: Right, but the body cannot make fat out of nothing. It has to have energy to store in the fat. I don't argue some people naturally get fatter than others; that is obvious. The best and easiest way to lose weight is to eat healthier and exercise; it is that easy. Instead of fries, eat carrots. Instead of soda, drink water. etc


IF YOU JUST STARVE YOURSELF your body will cannibalize ITS OWN LEAN TISSUE. What about this bad situation do you not understand? If you are fat there is a reason for it, that reason could be a brain tumor, it could be a genetic disorder, or one of several other things, but most likely you've screwed up your hormone receptors by eating crappy food.

To fix the problem, you take corrective action. Brain surgery if it is a tumor and if it is eating crappy food you EAT GOOD FOOD INSTEAD. You don't "just eat less" because that can make the problem worse.

But I see you've changed your incorrect "eat less" to the correct "eat healthier and exercise" and are pretending that is what you were saying all along. I feel like I am in a presidential debate...
 
2012-10-23 02:20:10 PM

dbaggins: Those fat people that do marathons and stuff are still eating too much. get over it. They have not adjusted their calorie intake to account for their higher efficiency. When you are in great shape you don't burn as many calories with your amazing exercise regimen.

See it all the time. really fat person gets exercising and eating better, drops some weight, then stalls. Eventually they up their exercise too much and injure themselves (knees usually, or back). When what they needed to do was leave the exercise where it was and tighten up the food intake again. Look, without steroids you just aren't going to get any more muscle at your age. You don't *need* all that protein. You just need to start making your meals smaller. What *was* dieting for you two months ago is no longer dieting.


as for this girl, the signs are bad. She can't be more than 25 and she has the body of a woman in her mid forties. Her tits are small, which means her natural waist size is quite a bit smaller than this size.
She could get to her healthy size in a year if she did it right. One year for about 25 lbs. Entirely manageable for someone with a plan. That's less than a pound a week. She can't try something to improve her entire life with just one year of effort ?



I didn't start losing weight until I was 24. You're right that portion control and better nutrition play a huge part of it. But increasing exercise if you're eating habits wane a bit isn't a bad thing; you just have to change what training you're doing. In fact mine has changed drastically since I lost a considerable amount of weight. I went from mainly cardio to mainly strength training. However, if it's holiday season or vacation I cut back on the strength training and go into more cardio.

Keep your body guessing! :^)
 
2012-10-23 02:20:12 PM

machoprogrammer: Overfiend: Poor baby...

Is that the reason you are a tool?


Aww, is fatty sad? Would a slice of cheese cake make you feel better?


PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Umm, no. That isn't "extreme". That is called "eating right and exercise". And anyone can lose weight.


Beta Tested: People get results on all sorts of diets, some work better/faster than others, but the universal overriding factor in all of these diets is that people stop eating crappy food. Crappy food makes you sick, and being sick makes you fatter than you otherwise should be.

Did you ever ask yourself WHAT is different about the Zucker Rats? Do you just see "genetically modified" and for no reason dismiss everything else? They are genetically modified in such a way that they have a modified leptin receptor, "Leptin is a 16 kDa protein hormone that plays a key role in regulating energy intake and energy expenditure, including appetite/hunger and metabolism."

Furthermore, "It is one of the most important adipose derived hormones." Did you get all that? Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them. A small change to the gene that controls the receptor can make a rat very, very fat for no other reason. This knowledge and line of investigation is DIRECTLY relevant to humans who have leptin, leptin receptors, and fat cells. And they demonstrate, unarguably, that there is more to fat gain/loss than your simplistic and incorrect "Calories in ...


Nah - not hungry.

But you may want to put some Preperation H on that douchebag mouth of yours. With all the stupid shiat you're saying you may get a rash.
 
2012-10-23 02:21:09 PM
Not bad, but she would be smoking hot if she lost about 15 lbs.
 
2012-10-23 02:22:38 PM

PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. SomeA very tiny percentage of people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.


FTFY.



But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Maybe for the same reason you care if I care?

Maybe because I am bored at work and I don't really "care" but I do find it amusing to mock someone who is crying about the attention her body gets when she is standing behind a picture of her body in a swimsuit on facebook, and garnering more attention.
 
2012-10-23 02:25:18 PM

Jim_Callahan: One of the downsides of cardio is that it does tend to tell your body to lock in at its current weight beyond a certain point, actually dropping a large amount frequently requires _not_ exercising and dropping your diet in a more dramatic fashion for a month or so, then going back to your routine at the lower weight.


Given my history, that makes a lot of sense. I had a torn calf muscle and had to lay off the running entirely for a month one time and to make sure I didn't put on any extra pounds I cut my diet dramatically. I didn't need the extra calories to fuel any runs, anyhow. I lost more weight during that period, I think, than I had otherwise. Maybe I spend this winter just cutting cals and laying off the workouts and then resume in the Spring.

machoprogrammer: Running actually doesn't burn that many calories (130 calories per mile). So if you ran 10 miles, that is 1300 calories


I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low!
 
2012-10-23 02:31:03 PM

WinoRhino: I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low!


Well, the faster you go the more you burn, but in general it is 130 per. Depends on body weight, too, but that is the average. There are calculators for it on the internets. The other thing about cardio is you get an "after burner" effect, which means your metabolism is increased for about 24 hours after. The longer you go, the more the after burner effect takes over. An hour of solid running creates something like 500 calories burned in the after burner effect. I forget the exact amount but it is quite a bit.
 
2012-10-23 02:34:23 PM

WinoRhino: I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low


Sprinting burns a few more calories, but not that much.

Weight and distance are the main drivers in running.

Sprint workouts are good for building muscle (which will burn more calories inthe long run by virtue of having more muscles, not through the actual workout).
 
2012-10-23 02:44:16 PM
I used to think I didn't mind chubby or "thick" chicks, but then my gf, who was overweight, lost 30 lbs. Holy shiat, I can't believe what I've been missing. Skinny chicks ftw
 
2012-10-23 02:46:00 PM

WinoRhino: I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low!


sadly, your timing is not a big factor for weight loss. In fact, shortening your time consistently will result in higher efficiency and less weight loss. Your wife is burning less. That is why treadmills and other cardio machines ask what your weight is. They are calibrated with actual lab studies that measure CO2 respiration (our most direct means of measuring calorie burn). What these machines don't have in them is the efficiency co-factor. They are calibrated for people in the early phase of exercise. Over time your treadmill will lie to you about how much you are burning.

but your pace is only a very small effect on caloric burn. ta da.

So, did you really want to learn anything today ?
 
2012-10-23 02:47:36 PM

liam76: WinoRhino: I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low

Sprinting burns a few more calories, but not that much.

Weight and distance are the main drivers in running.

Sprint workouts are good for building muscle (which will burn more calories inthe long run by virtue of having more muscles, not through the actual workout).


I think you're missing elevation gain, flat lander :)
 
2012-10-23 02:51:04 PM

karmachameleon: FilmBELOH20: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.

Well, that's always the classic excuse that people use to stick their nose where it doesn't belong, isn't it? Again, conflating personal choice with moral righteousness. I guess, judging by your statement, add to that an air of entitlement.

Just because something affects you, what makes you think you're absolutely entitled to have a say in the matter? I'm not saying you necessarily don't, but you seem to be saying t ...


"You're entitled for wanting to have a say in how ambuloceuti are cared for. That is not your business. They are not equally bad if not worse with "entitlement" though for wanting you to subsidize care for the TOTALLY elective condition that will make them incredibly costly until they die at 45."

Also all the stories here about being told by your doctors you're obese or whatever and need to lose weight when you're super fit? Bull crap. I'm 6'2'' 202. At that weight I am theoretically overweight and need to lose at least ten pounds to be on the border of healthy. I'm big and muscular though and you can see the vertical lines running up my abdomen where my obliques start (no six pack, I like to eat). The point is I'm 10-15 pounds "overweight" and no doctor I've ever seen has even THOUGHT to advise me that I need to shed some pounds. Yours don't either. If your doctor says you need to lose weight its because you're an obvious doughboy. Maybe you can run like the wind for now, but your flab-stores are probably also annihilating your joints.
 
2012-10-23 02:54:32 PM

The Decider: Those stretch marks are just so sexy.

I thought they were claw marks. I assumed some guy got his head stuck.


HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Thread.
Over.
 
2012-10-23 03:00:54 PM
Being fat - obese, morbidly obese - etc doesn't make you a bad person
However at the same time those people saying "nothing is wrong with you, you're fine!" are also wrong - being overweight is unhealthy
People who find scantily clad obese people unattractive are not bad people
People who find scantily clad obese people attractive are not automatically good people either.


As a formerly obese person i have this to say: You need to respect yourself more, get your disordered eating under control, and get out of the house.

/girl in TFA is not that overweight - was expecting much larger
//being twig farking skinny is also unhealthy and unattractive
 
2012-10-23 03:01:33 PM
While it's true that anyone who goes out of their way to harass her about her weight is an asshole, the fact still remains that she is not the ideal of beauty (according to the consensus of men) at that size. No amount of "normalizing" from women will change what men find to be attractive.

And frankly, I don't understand what all of the upset is about. No one tells women what they should be attracted to, so why would they care to tell men what to be attracted to. The whole thing is full of stupid on either side.
 
2012-10-23 03:03:29 PM
Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.
Until you got on your soapbox, stuck your bowl-full-of-jelly in our faces and made our business.
Google 'Streisand Effect', Toots.

This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

No.
No they don't, unless they are fat or have been pregnant.
You'd know this if you'd quit hanaging out with other fatties and/or teen moms.

She's a pretty girl, and that's great that she doesn't feel pressure to be a certain way.
But her weight is not normal. It's not healthy.
 
2012-10-23 03:04:59 PM

theoutlaw: ZombiesYall: The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?

It really depends on the kinds of situations you're in. Someone who is a lot bigger than the norm in a particular situation will often get a comment or two- she mentioned horseriding, if she was bigger than the other girls then people may have felt the need to comment on that. Some people think saying 'you're heavier than most' is as harmless as saying 'wow, you're short' or 'wow, you don't look strong/fit enough to be doing that'*.
Also, some people are just dicks who want to impose their morals on strangers. If you have an outward 'flaw', they call you on it. I hate smoking, but I know people who walk up to strangers smoking and berate them. I can't imagine doing that. It's so rude!

Also, I think you've misunderstood the article. Humans of New York wanted to take her picture, took it, and she mentioned her blog. He went on her blog, and reposted her own picture of herself in a bikini rather than the picture he'd taken of her clothed during the day.

/* yes I'm projecting because I get comments like this all the time from strangers...


Oh, yeah, I did misunderstand the article, or was genuinely confused by what I thought it was saying, and wanted clarification. Thank you.
 
2012-10-23 03:05:19 PM
I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ..gasp...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look around you! Talk to any man or woman over 40 and ask about tolerance for having a spare tire. For men it is practically expected while women get hounded.


They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

My husband is fat. My previous boyfriend had a sculpted body but the emotional level of a 16 yr old.


Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."

They are real... Real ass wipes.


She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!
The terms are:
Calories in - food you eat
Calories burned - energy burned in exercise or body maintenance
Calories stored - energy stored as fat
Calories out - calories exiting your body in your poop

Calories burned for a single activity is highly variable not just person to person, but for the same person under different circumstances. That is why people have to vary their work out routines. A person who has dieted will burn significantly fewer calories doing the same work out than they did before the diet.

Calories out is probably the most important term in the whole equation. Different people have different efficiency levels, with highly efficient people putting more energy away as fat than less efficient people. This also is highly variable, both person to person and for the same person under different circumstances. Unless you know your efficiency level is higher than the fatty you are criticizing STFU!


Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.

Being fat is not a choice. It is a metabolic condition that you have to deal with.


I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

Walking pace is ~3 miles/hour. A walked marathon (which only a small proportion of Farkers would be able to do) would take 8.7 hours. A 5 hour marathon is nearly twice that speed.


Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw.
One of my character flaws is I can beam an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want.


FTFY
Your body chemistry is not a character flaw.


She's at least 18, and even though I can't say for sure I can reasonably infer that she hasn't been doing much about her weight. Partly because she ends her rant with the statement "who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was."

You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.


This!
I'm amazed at the number of people here who think they know exactly what this girl eats and what her exercise regimen is just by looking at her picture. Just because it would take powering down Big Macs and cheesecake to make them fat they assume she has the exact same genetics that they do even though it is obvious that she doesn't.


Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.


I was the exact same way growing up. I was a bag of antlers (5'8" and 120 lbs) I couldn't understand how people could be fat when being skinny was so easy. I drank ensure between meals to try to put some weight on. I gained 5 lbs after doing that for 2 months. I celebrated by stopping (ensure tastes like ass) and lost those 5 lbs in 2 days. Then I hit 31 and changed my birth control. Those 2 changes (chemical and metabolic) resulted in me gaining 40 lbs in 2 weeks, and continuing to gain about 1 lb a year. Now it is as difficult to take weight off as it was to put weight on. You "Calorie in - calorie out" people can STFU and EABOD because I know the weight issue from both sides and I know you are wrong.
 
2012-10-23 03:12:08 PM

Sleeping Monkey: It's all fun and games celebrating obesity until you try to defend your country with the marshmallow brigade.


Didn't you hear? The Marshmallow brigade was merged with teh 101st Graham Crackers and Chocolate. Now they rain melty goodness from above. Victory thy name is S'mores!!!!

/came for the articles
//stayed for the attention whores
 
2012-10-23 03:12:50 PM

puppetmaster745: Not bad, but she would be smoking hot if she lost about 15 100 lbs.

 
2012-10-23 03:13:07 PM
i48.tinypic.com

We have a perfectly nice thread going on big breasts, and everyone is posting in the fat girl thread.

Fark, I am disappoint.

Click on the pic and enjoy life a little.
 
2012-10-23 03:14:23 PM

NotARocketScientist: .....


you don't know thermodynamics very well.. soooo shut your pie hole. you know just enough about it to think you're making an intelligent objection.

IIF Calories Consumed > Calories burned => Weight Gain
IIF Calories Consumed Weight Loss

For anything else to be true you must either create or destroy energy. When you're making the closed systems objection you're talking about entropy change, and that isn't involved here.
 
2012-10-23 03:17:58 PM

NotARocketScientist: You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


OH. She said she tried! Well then, discussion over! Let's just give her a gold star then, shall we?

Biology works against you, but it doesn't change the reality that fat is just stored energy. If you expend more energy than you consume, your body will pull it from stores. Yes, losing weight when you're fat is HARD, but it is not IMPOSSIBLE. Obesity is just one of the many growing (no pun intended) areas of life where the fact that it is difficult to deal with means no one should be expected to deal with it at all. This woman will get diabetes, she will have joint issues, and a whole host of other related illnesses. Anyone telling her she should be fine with her weight is telling her she should be fine with an early death. If that's your meaning, then that's fine, but let's not celebrate failure.
 
2012-10-23 03:24:24 PM
I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.
 
2012-10-23 03:27:23 PM

liam76: PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. SomeA very tiny percentage of people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

FTFY.



But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Maybe for the same reason you care if I care?

Maybe because I am bored at work and I don't really "care" but I do find it amusing to mock someone who is crying about the attention her body gets when she is standing behind a picture of her body in a swimsuit on facebook, and garnering more attention.


Actually, I care because people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight. It's one thing to have a rational discussion. America does not have a rational discussion. It has irrational hatred.

This woman has had to deal with that hatred her entire life, and is now standing up to it. What part of that, exactly, are you mocking? Or do you think fat people don't have the right to say that they deserve as much respect as anyone else?
 
2012-10-23 03:28:32 PM

machoprogrammer: PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Umm, no. That isn't "extreme". That is called "eating right and exercise". And anyone can lose weight.


Well, yes. That's why I said it was probably step 1. That generally indicates that there are, gasp...more steps.

/Dude, really, that was spectacularly stupid.
 
2012-10-23 03:29:06 PM

theflatline: I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.


Checking your profile: Dude, you married into a good looking family. High fives
 
2012-10-23 03:31:44 PM

dragonchild: I'm sure there are assholes out there who love nothing more than making people feel bad, but when people reach this state, the assholes are indistinguishable from those who are genuinely trying to help. Her "none of your ******* business" is a clear statement she's just shut out all feedback, good and bad. Where do you think she goes from here?


A happy life where she can worry about more important things?

As for LOLWUT, I refer you to anorexia nervosa.
 
2012-10-23 03:34:48 PM

theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.


Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?
 
2012-10-23 03:34:58 PM

theflatline: I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.


Doesn't matter. You're bald. You unfarkable shiatstain.

/kidding
 
2012-10-23 03:35:35 PM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: theflatline: I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.

Checking your profile: Dude, you married into a good looking family. High fives


Thanks, my mother in law is 4'10 has nine kids, she is still tiny because she is active. And of course she walks everywhere up and down the mountains, which does keep herself pretty fit, Colombians eat like pigs but are super active. I never saw many fat people there, so we all must have regular glands...
 
2012-10-23 03:36:42 PM

NotARocketScientist: QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!



It most certainly is an aspect of part of the first law, specifically the law of conservation of energy. This states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. In no way shape or form can you get around it. If you burn more calories than you take it, the energy has to come from somewhere, period. Fat is little more than stored energy. Burn more then you take in, and you will lose weight. You people seem to think comic book physics are real. It's pathetic seeing all the rationalization going on.

I'm actually perplexed as the the self image comment. Methinks you are projecting. Seeing as how you admit you are struggling with weight, and I have been just about the same weight for over 25 years, I think the only one seeking validation is yourself. I don't care if you are fat. I'm not, and thats because I don't make excuses or accept letting myself go to seed like so many.
 
2012-10-23 03:42:21 PM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


I got them during puberty, when I went from an A to a D over a summer. Then they got worse when I went on new meds and I went from D to DDD/F. They happen when the volume under the skin changes rapidly. Fat has nothing to do with it.
 
2012-10-23 03:43:52 PM

blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?


I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.
 
2012-10-23 03:44:17 PM

blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?


Does your argument extend to pedophiles? I'm sure they'd argue they were born that way. Someone with poor impulse control, whether it be expressed through overeating or through diddling kids, is harmful to themselves and to others. A legless guy is only harmful if someone drops him on you.
 
2012-10-23 03:46:10 PM

madanimalscientist: abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

I got them during puberty, when I went from an A to a D over a summer. Then they got worse when I went on new meds and I went from D to DDD/F. They happen when the volume under the skin changes rapidly. Fat has nothing to do with it.


It has everything to do with volume, but if the volume is fat, then fat will cause stretch marks. And last time I checkes boobs are primarly fat.
 
2012-10-23 03:58:05 PM
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2012-10-23 04:12:45 PM

theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?

I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.


So, you don't want to answer the question then?
 
2012-10-23 04:16:06 PM

Shatner's Bassoon: Attention whores come in all shapes and sizes...


THIS

If you're a big person, go get naked, post the pics on FB, enjoy yourself but really, you're no Rosa Parks.
 
2012-10-23 04:21:03 PM

blahpers: theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?

I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?


Read my Boobies in this thread, your answer is there.
 
2012-10-23 04:23:28 PM

The Only Jeff: Does your argument extend to pedophiles? I'm sure they'd argue they were born that way. Someone with poor impulse control, whether it be expressed through overeating or through diddling kids, is harmful to themselves and to others.


It would if (a) pedophilia was strictly a matter of biology coupled with impulse control and (b) we could actually do something about it beyond simply incarcerating them or otherwise minimizing the damage they do. I don't know enough about the subject to assess (a)--most people don't have to exert will power to avoid molesting children, I hope--but (b) pretty much screws us until we get to the point where we can remove pedophilia with a medical procedure--which, of course, opens us to a whole new bag of problems.

Point being, it's a damn shame that some people don't have the will power to control their body weight, but how does social shaming make the situation better? It could motivate the person to exert more will, but it could also simply crush what will they already have and make the problem worse.
 
2012-10-23 04:25:46 PM

theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?

I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

Read my Boobies in this thread, your answer is there.


Sorry, maybe the question wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about direct biological inclinations toward obesity; I was talking about an inability to exert the will power needed to control their body weight.
 
2012-10-23 04:29:14 PM

Optimus Composite: Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

Why do people always pull that crap when you say you don't find fat girls attractive? Why do the chubby chasers start screaming about how if you don't like fatties you must be lusting after those models who look like heroin addicts and would fall through a crack in the floor. Why do they have to go to the other extreme? Well let me tell you chubby chasers something, I don't find the facebook girls body attractive, and I don't find Kate Moss body attractive either. Here's a little something more my style.
[jumpingjaxfitness.files.wordpress.com image 395x493]


So you're into dudes, but haven't admitted it yet?
 
2012-10-23 04:38:40 PM

blahpers: The Only Jeff: Does your argument extend to pedophiles? I'm sure they'd argue they were born that way. Someone with poor impulse control, whether it be expressed through overeating or through diddling kids, is harmful to themselves and to others.

It would if (a) pedophilia was strictly a matter of biology coupled with impulse control and (b) we could actually do something about it beyond simply incarcerating them or otherwise minimizing the damage they do. I don't know enough about the subject to assess (a)--most people don't have to exert will power to avoid molesting children, I hope--but (b) pretty much screws us until we get to the point where we can remove pedophilia with a medical procedure--which, of course, opens us to a whole new bag of problems.

Point being, it's a damn shame that some people don't have the will power to control their body weight, but how does social shaming make the situation better? It could motivate the person to exert more will, but it could also simply crush what will they already have and make the problem worse.


I don't think this girl was being shamed; I don't think she was on anyone's radar until these pictures went up along with her "get farked" attitude. Usually if the obese person is like, "I'm fat, and I know I shouldn't be, but I acknowledge it's a poor choice I choose to live with," people leave them alone. When they say, "I'm fat and that's fine, you're wrong for thinking otherwise," is when they get attention.
 
2012-10-23 04:51:06 PM

NotARocketScientist: I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ..gasp...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look around you! Talk to any man or woman over 40 and ask about tolerance for having a spare tire. For men it is practically expected while women get hounded.


They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

My husband is fat. My previous boyfriend had a sculpted body but the emotional level of a 16 yr old.


Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."

They are real... Real ass wipes.


She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.

QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!
The terms are:
Calories in - food you eat
Calories burned - energy burned in exercise or body maintenance
Calories stored - energy stored as fat
Calories out - calories exiting your body in your poop

Calories burned for a single activity is highly variable not just person to person, but for the same person under different circumstances. That is why people have to vary their work out routines. A person who has dieted will burn significantly fewer calories doing the same work out than they did before the diet.

Calories out is probably the most important term in the whole equation. Different people have different efficiency levels, with highly efficient people putting more energy away as fat than less efficient people. This also is highly variable, both person to person and for the same person under different circumstances. Unless you know your efficiency level is higher than the fatty you are criticizing STFU!


Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.

Being fat is not a choice. It is a metabolic condition that you have to deal with.


I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

Walking pace is ~3 miles/hour. A walked marathon (which only a small proportion of Farkers would be able to do) would take 8.7 hours. A 5 hour marathon is nearly twice that speed.


Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw.
One of my character flaws is I can beam an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want.

FTFY
Your body chemistry is not a character flaw.


She's at least 18, and even though I can't say for sure I can reasonably infer that she hasn't been doing much about her weight. Partly because she ends her rant with the statement "who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was."

You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.


This!
I'm amazed at the number of people here who think they know exactly what this girl eats and what her exercise regimen is just by looking at her picture. Just because it would take powering down Big Macs and cheesecake to make them fat they assume she has the exact same genetics that they do even though it is obvious that she doesn't.


Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.

I was the exact same way growing up. I was a bag of antlers (5'8" and 120 lbs) I couldn't understand how people could be fat when being skinny was so easy. I drank ensure between meals to try to put some weight on. I gained 5 lbs after doing that for 2 months. I celebrated by stopping (ensure tastes like ass) and lost those 5 lbs in 2 days. Then I hit 31 and changed my birth control. Those 2 changes (chemical and metabolic) resulted in me gaining 40 lbs in 2 weeks, and continuing to gain about 1 lb a year. Now it is as difficult to take weight off as it was to put weight on. You "Calorie in - calorie out" people can STFU and EABOD because I know the weight issue from both sides and I know you are wrong.


Egg-sacktly! Well said.
 
2012-10-23 05:06:07 PM

Beta Tested: machoprogrammer: No, it is calories in - calories out. However, in "starvation mode", calories out goes down. It is still calories in - calories out. I have no idea how lactation effects calories, as I am a single male."

If you are exercising and lactating (assuming lactating means more calories and you are truly exercising), you need more than 1400 calories. Assuming you are 140 lbs, that alone means a TDEE of roughly 1400.

The reason people "fail" at diets is not because of hormones or anything. It is because diets are temporary. You need to make lifestyle changes. People lose weight on a diet, then go back to eating like a pig then complain it didn't work. Well no shiat.

Did you just start ignoring my earlier posts? This isn't true, from my earlier link:

"They will consume the protein in their muscles and organs rather than surrender the fat in their adipose tissue. Indeed, when these fat mice are starved, they do not become lean mice; rather, as William Sheldon might have put it, they become emaciated versions of fat mice"

Weight (fat) gain is a symptom of metabolic disorder, being fat doesn't cause the health issues you see (like Type II diabetes), but accompanies them. As in nearly all diseases not all of the symptoms for the disease manifest in all cases and that has almost everything to do with hormone signaling. That is why some people can eat lots of crap and stay skinny, they can also still get metabolic syndrome and have Type II diabetes. Conversely some people can be quite fit and healthy but overweight (generally not VERY overweight though).

You can also get metabolic disorder (and the weight related issues) from non-consumption diseases, including brain tumors, genetic diseases and so on. It is NOT just Calories In/Calories Out.

/If I remember correctly, lactating women should consume at least an extra 400-500 calories. This, of course, varies.


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That's what "they" say, but I know from experience that, if I increase my intake by even less than that, I gain weight (this isn't my first baby).
Breast milk is worth 20 calories per ounce. I'm making about 25-30 ounces a day, but there's no way I can offset that with increased intake. I just spend the first year after having a baby constantly hungry or I spend it gaining weight. Yet, at my weight, some asshat is going to look at me and think, "Gosh, she's really lazy and obviously eats too much because she has no willpower" while I'm going UP 20+ floors worth of stairs each day while they take the elevator. That is what pisses people like me off.
 
2012-10-23 05:13:31 PM
She's beautiful.

would hit it like Hulk sucker punching Thor.

Hard, and requiring only a second.
 
2012-10-23 05:23:04 PM

The Only Jeff: I don't think this girl was being shamed; I don't think she was on anyone's radar until these pictures went up along with her "get farked" attitude. Usually if the obese person is like, "I'm fat, and I know I shouldn't be, but I acknowledge it's a poor choice I choose to live with," people leave them alone. When they say, "I'm fat and that's fine, you're wrong for thinking otherwise," is when they get attention.


Eh, I was merely addressing the "it's totally will power" argument, not the subject of TFA in general.

Frankly, if she's okay with her body, I don't see why we should have a problem with it. "But increased socialized health care costs!" just doesn't hold much water with me.

I've got a bit of a muffin top going, but I just don't give enough of a sack to make ritual exercise a priority, and I write better code with a relatively steady sugar intake, so meh. If I lose a bit of life span, well, I would have spent that span exercising anyway, so what's the point?
 
2012-10-23 05:41:25 PM

blahpers: The Only Jeff: I don't think this girl was being shamed; I don't think she was on anyone's radar until these pictures went up along with her "get farked" attitude. Usually if the obese person is like, "I'm fat, and I know I shouldn't be, but I acknowledge it's a poor choice I choose to live with," people leave them alone. When they say, "I'm fat and that's fine, you're wrong for thinking otherwise," is when they get attention.

Eh, I was merely addressing the "it's totally will power" argument, not the subject of TFA in general.

Frankly, if she's okay with her body, I don't see why we should have a problem with it. "But increased socialized health care costs!" just doesn't hold much water with me.

I've got a bit of a muffin top going, but I just don't give enough of a sack to make ritual exercise a priority, and I write better code with a relatively steady sugar intake, so meh. If I lose a bit of life span, well, I would have spent that span exercising anyway, so what's the point?


It's totally will power. Otherwise you're saying there isn't free will. And saying people are the product of biology gets a little too eugenicsy.

I think the objection isn't that she is okay with it, is that she thinks her body is something positive. I'm not good at tennis, I've accepted that. I do enjoy it. But I'm not going to insist that wildly overswinging and dropping the ball is an equally valid way to play.
 
2012-10-23 05:45:05 PM

Beta Tested: Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them.


Um, leptin is the satiety hormone. The rats were obese because they couldn't make leptin. Second, leptin is not a simple hormone. It interacts with other hormones like insulin and melatonin. You can't track the effects of the body by following just one hormone.

blahpers: As for LOLWUT, I refer you to anorexia nervosa.


Anorexia isn't effort at self-improvement; it's mental sickness on the level of an addiction. An obese person who is otherwise mentally stable does not simply wok into anorexia. Anorexics tend to die for the same reason that obese attention whores like the girl in TFA do -- instead of admitting they have a serious problem, they become delusional, glorify their current state and declare victory. Anorexics are notoriously dishonest, and will casually lie to their loved ones to avoid confronting their habit. How is this in any way comparable to self-improvement?

To clarify, I'm not hating on her because she's "fat". As I said earlier, she's really not that bad. But instead of having any sort of goal, despite her screamingly obvious inferiority complex she's going to build this delusion that she's satisfied with the status quo. This isn't just going to wreck her health; she's basically declared she's going to ignore all advice, ever. The lack of any social feedback mechanisms is the instant recipe for a world-class asshole. Her attitude is a thousand times more repulsive than her looks.
 
2012-10-23 05:52:05 PM

NotARocketScientist: Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


I started getting a small belly when I hit 230 lbs at age 24 or so and that's when I started to develop vertical stretch marks around my belly button...they look like quotation marks and they are permanent no matter how skinny I get. The orientation of stretch marks are not diagnostic.

Either you can go out on a limb and say stretch marks are irrelevant to beauty and people should stop discussing them or you can consider Occam's razor and move on.
 
2012-10-23 05:59:31 PM
It's cool that so many dudes that can't get anything better than fat chicks actually try to convince everyone that the like, nay, prefer objectively obese and bestrechmarked women

lol
 
2012-10-23 06:26:27 PM

Beta Tested: To the people making the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument, you need to just stop. You sound like a creationist that doesn't understand either the law or how/where it is actually applicable to physical systems. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is NOT directly applicable to an active organism that is governed by complex biochemical processes, especially when the goal is something as highly SPECIFIC as health and adipose tissue reduction.

Fat tissue is not subject to the whims and desires of the consciousness of the person whose body it is in, nor is it a passive storage point for excess energy. It is innervated, active tissue that can demand more Calories at the expense of the organism as a whole.
...
Giving horrible advice, such as starving yourself, which is what you are doing when you are hungry but not eating, is terrible and counter-productive. Bodybuilders and athletes with weight classes (weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) often undergo purposeful calorie deficits for very short periods of time, even these extremely dedicated athletes with iron wills find the task near impossible, and certainly cannot maintain it for any length of time required to lose significant amounts of weight. Bodybuilders especially often end up causing themselves physical and psychological damage.

Obesity is America is a large-scale, public health issue and it is fueled by cheap corn and companies feeding highly processed non-food to the population, which in turn screws up their metabolism making them sick and causing their bodies to store more fat than they otherwise would. The only real solution involves the entire society, but each of us can do our part by eating real, healthy, unprocessed food.

/running long slow distances (e.g. marathons) isn't really that good for you and also isn't a good exercise for losing fat
// "Input


Wow, this whole post makes my brain hurt. Calories in versus calories out works for a lot of people. I've lost a lot of weight in my life and while my final weight loss required a healthy eating overhaul, every successful pound I lost was thanks to a diet, exercise or metabolically induced calorie deficit. The whole field of personal training relies on the concept of calorie deficits to surgically prescribe exercise and diet goals.

The problem is that we are constantly thwarted by human psychology. People overestimate how much they exercise and underestimate how much they eat. The body is rarely that complex. Sometimes there are plateaus and sometimes you encounter the dreaded "starvation mode" and sometimes digestion gets out of whack you are reminded that the body is not a neat equation. It can make amazing accommodations in its work and metabolism in order to maintain what it considers essential homeostasis. The issue is that the body cannot store new energy or new fat without ingestion of new calories, so if a person is monitoring their intake and expenditures religiously and that person does not become sick, there is no reason that person should ever become overweight. With persistence at the gym and honesty/precision in the kitchen, weight loss should be achievable, if slowly, for all otherwise healthy overweight people too.

I agree that junk food is terrible and a contributor to/enabler of a lot of society's problems. However, psychology ultimately plays a much bigger role.

And you are generally incorrect about running burning fat. Marathon running, especially if done slowly/at low intensity is probably best for burning fat stores and any available energy stores in the body. Cardio fuel preferences are carbs/glycogen first, followed by fat and muscle/protein as a last resort. A lean runner who doesn't feed themselves properly during a race may end up losing muscle, but it's entirely possible that slow, chubby runners are actually training their bodies to maintain and rely on large fat stores. I think you meant to suggest that super long duration cardio like marathons are not the best or most efficient way to lose fat in which case I would agree. They are ok for the heart, however. For that kind of cardio training, I prefer climbing a mountain.
 
2012-10-23 06:28:44 PM

HotWingConspiracy: Gary Coleman's kidneys: And in the second picture she is "layering" her clothing. A common way to dress in order to disguise the fat. So which is it, proud or still a bit ashamed? We know the
answer to that. No one wants to be fat.

It's autumn, about 90% of the women in the city are dressed like that.


Hmmm, good point.. that never crossed my mind, maybe because I have lived in south Florida all my life. People only layer for one reason here.
 
2012-10-23 06:34:03 PM

elysive: People overestimate how much they exercise and underestimate how much they eat. The body is rarely that complex.


The body is wicked complex. However, I will agree that half the failures are due to "cheating".
 
2012-10-23 06:40:32 PM

dragonchild: elysive: People overestimate how much they exercise and underestimate how much they eat. The body is rarely that complex.

The body is wicked complex. However, I will agree that half the failures are due to "cheating".


I agree that the body is complex overall, but most of the time the equations work...even when using a super simple equation. My weight times 10 as a target calorie count for the day is all I use. If I eat much more than that target calorie count for a week, I gain weight. If I maintain a deficit greater than 300 calories due to food intake/exercise, I generally keep the numbers on the scale moving down. This has been working for me for the last year. It's worked for clients for the last six months. I didn't bother with equations before that, but cutting down on calories and exercising has always worked for me.

I realize that is anecdotal, but I've taken classes on prescribing target calorie counts...very fricking boring classes...and I believe that the rule of thumb works works when people are honest and don't have metabolic disorders or illnesses hindering their progress. Sometimes you have to come up with a system to keep yourself honest because it's human nature to fudge the numbers.
 
2012-10-23 06:53:32 PM
I know a lot of people will intentionally mistake this for the whining of the "privileged".....

....but to be honest, men are fat-shamed just as much as women, just in slightly different ways, and don't even get to be as fat as the average woman (even giving women a few pounds for "female body type") before being harshly judged. It just doesn't get any play in the press, because men don't expect to be automatically respected and free from crtiticism and congratulated by everyone for being a proud fatass.

I have been told that my 20-pound beer gut on a 6'3" frame was "gross", and was too much for me to be sexy, by women who were no prizes at all. One 80+ lbs overweight, and another low-self-esteem, alcoholic tattooed skank with 2 kids, loose flab, and droopy pockmarked skin. A man who is 30-50 pounds overweight is considered much too fat by most women, and generally won't even be seen as potential date material, yet nobody is supposed to criticize a woman who is almost obese and certainly unhealthy.

I have no harsh words for this woman. I hope she's happy, and that people treat her well. But I wish that for everyone else, too- and not living in shame doesn't imply people need to be "proud" about their fat rolls to be happy.
 
2012-10-23 07:26:50 PM
She's overweight.
It's not an opinion, a judgement, or an overt insult- it's a statistic.

This isn't heroic.
 
2012-10-23 07:33:00 PM
"My size is none of your business". That is why you posted a provocative picture of yourself in your underwear for the public to see. Because it's none of our business. It wasn't like you were vying for cheap attention or anything. In fact posting an underwear picture tells me right away that you don't want it to be any of our business.

Yeah. Even fat coonts can be attention whores. It's not only for the skinny teen meth moms who take photos of themselves with their toddlers in the background.
 
2012-10-23 07:33:18 PM

PsiChick: Actually, I care because people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight. It's one thing to have a rational discussion. America does not have a rational discussion. It has irrational hatred.


So because some people will post a variant of "I hope you die" you want to challenge me for saying something that isn't even remotely related to that. That makes sense.


PsiChick: This woman has had to deal with that hatred her entire life, and is now standing up to it. What part of that, exactly, are you mocking?


First off I want to reiterate "that hatred" you are talking about has nothing to do with my comments. Pointing out I really doubt she has made a serious effort at healthy eating and a regular exercise program doesn't amount to "hatred". Even among a fatty whiteknight-er such as yourself.

Second, we don't know how much hatred she had to deal with.

To you posting a picture of how fat you are in a bathing suit in order to confront people who think it is unattractive and know it is unhealthy is sanding up to something? Because it looks like attention whoring to me.

Or do you think fat people don't have the right to say that they deserve as much respect as anyone else?

I gave her as much respect as I would to anyone who complained about a health problem they could probably fix and instead of fixing it drew attention to it and biatched about how people didn't like them for it.

As for deserving of respect? I respect people who fix their problems over people who expect the world to change fro them.

Mose: liam76: WinoRhino: I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low

Sprinting burns a few more calories, but not that much.

Weight and distance are the main drivers in running.

Sprint workouts are good for building muscle (which will burn more calories inthe long run by virtue of having more muscles, not through the actual workout).

I think you're missing elevation gain, flat lander :)


Good point.
 
2012-10-23 08:00:49 PM

L.D. Ablo: peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.


Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?
 
2012-10-23 08:04:28 PM
good on her

from some of the monstrosities I saw at disney world this summer I'd say she's petite
 
2012-10-23 08:13:02 PM

L.D. Ablo: peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.


I don't doubt that I would lose weight if I simply stopped eating, but that's called anorexia and is more likely to kill me than being fat is. I don't know a single "average" size person who has to starve or fast frequently to maintain their size, so why should *I* live that way just to make someone else feel more comfortable? Why should anyone?
Eat good food, a reasonable amount of it, get some exercise, mostly for the cardiac benefits, and be whatever size you happen to be while doing it. 100 people could all eat the same diet and get the same exercise and all will be a different size. We don't all need to conform to one standard.
I'm a happily married (to a 6ft tall 160lb man) woman with two kids, a masters degree and a professional career (which includes currently pursuing a bariatric counseling certification). If someone doesn't like the way I look, it's really more their problem than mine.
 
2012-10-23 08:31:10 PM
Man, I would jump on that and ride the waves like a waterbed. Those pillows sure look comfy, too!
 
2012-10-23 08:31:19 PM

peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?


In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.
 
2012-10-23 08:33:44 PM

dragonchild: If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better.


Smarted and QFT.
 
2012-10-23 08:35:06 PM
Obesity will definitely be cured by pharmaceuticals in less than 15 years. I wonder what will be the next ugly feature to discriminate others on.
 
2012-10-23 08:47:27 PM
Unless you are putting your poop in a calorimeter to see how much wasted nutrition is there, the "Calories in
 
2012-10-23 09:00:59 PM

Leopold Stotch: Unless you are putting your poop in a calorimeter to see how much wasted nutrition is there, the "Calories in


brb, waiting for you to finish typing
 
2012-10-23 09:01:00 PM

SanjiSasuke: dragonchild: If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better.

Smarted and QFT.


*shakes head sadly*
 
2012-10-23 09:36:34 PM

Leopold Stotch: Unless you are putting your poop in a calorimeter to see how much wasted nutrition is there, the "Calories in versus calories out" equation can't really be solved. And the efficiency of people's digestive systems varies widely.


WHOOPS!
 
2012-10-23 09:52:57 PM

machoprogrammer: peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?

In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.


So if I'm an average sized person, I'm allowed to eat what I want when I'm hungry, but if I'm fat you really think I will be a happy dieter eating my 1200 calories of steamed broccoli and boiled chicken forever? Because in order to maintain weight loss, the change you make has to be something you're willing to do for the rest of your life. This is why "diets" fail for 98% of people. If you don't find a way of eating that you are comfortable maintaining forever, you will simply regain anything you lose.
 
2012-10-23 10:02:10 PM

peachfish: machoprogrammer: peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?

In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.

So if I'm an average sized person, I'm allowed to eat what I want when I'm hungry, but if I'm fat you really think I will be a happy dieter eating my 1200 calories of steamed broccoli and boiled chicken forever? Because in order to maintain weight loss, the change you make has to be something you're willing to do for the rest of your life. This is why "diets" fail for 98% of people. If you don't find a way of eating that you are comfortable maintaining forever, you will simply regain anything you lose.


I would also say to you, your suggestions of "eat less, exercise more, eat less calorie dense food" that you put forth as though somehow you think an overweight person has simply never heard of these concepts before just makes you look as though you equate fatness with stupidity. Maybe there's a person or two left in the world that might be amazed and stunned to discover that they can eat more broccoli than French fries for the same calories, but I wager those people are few and far between. You also clearly display your bias when you suggest that I simply need to get my calories from veggies instead of cake and French fries. How do you know what I eat?? You don't! You only THINK you do because I say I'm overweight.
 
2012-10-23 10:18:09 PM

dragonchild: Beta Tested: Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them.

Um, leptin is the satiety hormone. The rats were obese because they couldn't make leptin. Second, leptin is not a simple hormone. It interacts with other hormones like insulin and melatonin. You can't track the effects of the body by following just one hormone.


However, a study of 51 humans, 30 morbidly obese (>40 BMI) and 31 healthy (
Both groups of subjects had blood sampled again 3, 6, 9, and 12 months after the surgeries. They found that the obese subjects showed a drastic decrease in Leptin levels as early as 3 months after their bodies were placed into a forced starvation state of restricted calories. Levels continued to decrease in subjects for the 12 months and the 12 month showed a 8:1-12:1 ratio of Leptin/sLR levels.

The conclusion of the study has determined that in humans, unlike rats, can exhibit a genetic resistance to Leptin in the same way that they show resistance to insulin. They concluded that the correlation between insulin resistance and Leptin resistance was very strong in obese individuals. This is also linked to recent genetic discoveries of the adipose gene and how insulin and other metabolic hormones react to certain genetic types.

In 2001 the discovery of the "Adipose Gene" also known as WDTC1 or ADP, found that obesity can be directly linked to how active or more specifically, how inactive, that gene is. They discovered that when they treated specimens with higher ADP proteins, they ate as much or more than normal specimens, however they were leaner, had diabetes resistant fat cells, and were better able to control insulin and blood-sugar metabolism. Conversely, those who were manipulated to have lower ADP activity ate the same as normal subjects but were obese, less healthy, and easily susceptible to diabetes... These experiments were performed on various animal subjects from flies, to worms, to mice, to bovine. Using a tetratricopeptide antibody protein derived from e coli to deliver the adp on a cellular level.

So, this calorie in / calorie out isn't quite so simple... It's a matter of calorie efficiency, and directly linked to a person's genetic make up. Yes, it can be overcome, an obese person could enter into a starvation state where hormone levels and production are drastically altered, and they may have a better caloric efficiency during that state, but because of the activity of specific genes is directly tied to that efficiency, the moment they are no longer in that state of starvation, they will suffer the same effects of inefficiency.

It's not always how many calories you take in, it's how your body will use them that matters. There are fat people outside of the US that are ultimately very healthy individuals and capable, and do, perform a large amount of activity, yet they remain fat because they are simply not starving. The problem in America lies with our activity levels, and other dietary factors that contribute to the dulling of adp activity...
 
2012-10-23 10:21:01 PM
What the hell happened to my post? why did fark eat my data??
 
2012-10-23 10:23:37 PM
Dear god... it took forever to write up that information...

Ok, in short, blood levels showed a 1:1-2:1 ratio of Leptin to sLR in normal subject, but a 25:1 ratio in the obese subjects... The obese were given a gastric restrictive surgery which forced them into caloric deprivation and their bodies entered a starvation state...

That sums up the crap ton of data i put in that fark ate
 
2012-10-23 10:34:48 PM
Just admit you like fat chicks cause it's all you can get.

/off to the gym
//gotta be there in 26 minutes
 
2012-10-23 11:11:24 PM

CeroX: Dear god... it took forever to write up that information...

Ok, in short, blood levels showed a 1:1-2:1 ratio of Leptin to sLR in normal subject, but a 25:1 ratio in the obese subjects... The obese were given a gastric restrictive surgery which forced them into caloric deprivation and their bodies entered a starvation state...

That sums up the crap ton of data i put in that fark ate


Damn. Don't suppose you could just post a link? Or was this from a print journal?
 
2012-10-23 11:27:22 PM
Gross.
 
2012-10-24 12:19:11 AM
the distance = calories burned argument is wrong and discounts how much more energy you need to burn to make tiny gains in time once over LT. Granted power out versus energy used is linear until LT
 
2012-10-24 01:50:09 AM

Uchiha_Cycliste: the distance = calories burned argument is wrong and discounts how much more energy you need to burn to make tiny gains in time once over LT. Granted power out versus energy used is linear until LT


How does that work? Particularly, why does it take more calories to go the same distance once one is over the lactate threshold? Does generating lact

/seriously, I have no idea
 
2012-10-24 02:08:24 AM

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


I have stretch marks on my back from a huge growth spurt. So it can happen. Not saying it was what happened in her case, but hormones can cause a lot of shiat.

/not a fatty
//gym rat
 
2012-10-24 02:41:43 AM

blahpers: Uchiha_Cycliste: the distance = calories burned argument is wrong and discounts how much more energy you need to burn to make tiny gains in time once over LT. Granted power out versus energy used is linear until LT

How does that work? Particularly, why does it take more calories to go the same distance once one is over the lactate threshold? Does generating lact

/seriously, I have no idea


So, imagine this, you chart out Power output versus Heart rate. What you get is a linear curve up until LT and an exponential curve afterwards. Let's say the curve initially gives you 15 watts/Beat (over rest). Then at around 300 watts and 185 bpm it takes more and more beats for a little more power. So you have to work much harder to go just a little faster. Then much, much, much harder to go just a little faster. In this range you are dumping tons of energy to make minor gains in covering distance.

Power output is approximately also calorie output (it's a pretty neat to see the correlation on a bike).

does that help?
 
2012-10-24 02:57:09 AM
Well, this topic ended up being quite depressing.

/is overweight
//trying to use my new job to turn a corner
///one day at a time, I guess...
 
2012-10-24 04:39:13 AM
So I sort of mislead you when I said exponential instead of asymptotic.

Here's a rough, rough GIMP sketch:
i451.photobucket.comhula-hooping

You'll notice that after LT your body has to work a lot harder to go just a little bit faster.
In this respect, you don't always burn the same energy for the same distance. If you keep the whole distance, whether riding, or running or hula-hooping, under LT and always stay aerobic there is a good chance you will always use the same amount of power to cover the distance. However, in trying to shave off a few seconds by going all out the entire time you have the potential to burn a lot more energy because your gains in speed and time are not linear with you increase in exertion.

Sorry for the confusion.
 
2012-10-24 06:59:12 AM

CeroX: They found that the obese subjects showed a drastic decrease in Leptin levels as early as 3 months after their bodies were placed into a forced starvation state of restricted calories. . . They concluded that the correlation between insulin resistance and Leptin resistance was very strong in obese individuals.


That is a HELLA flawed study, and conclusion. You don't determine resistance by just measuring the hormone level! Gah, no wonder the public sphere of nutritional science is such a mess.
 
2012-10-24 07:31:13 AM

peachfish: I would also say to you, your suggestions of "eat less, exercise more, eat less calorie dense food" that you put forth as though somehow you think an overweight person has simply never heard of these concepts before just makes you look as though you equate fatness with stupidity. Maybe there's a person or two left in the world that might be amazed and stunned to discover that they can eat more broccoli than French fries for the same calories, but I wager those people are few and far between. You also clearly display your bias when you suggest that I simply need to get my calories from veggies instead of cake and French fries. How do you know what I eat?? You don't! You only THINK you do because I say I'm overweight.


I wasn't saying that was what you eat (was just saying you don't have to go hungry to be at a caloric deficit). However, I guarantee you that you are eating more than what you think.

For a week, calculate the calories of everything you put in your mouth. Weigh it and calculate the calories.
 
2012-10-24 08:10:42 AM

peachfish: I would also say to you, your suggestions of "eat less, exercise more, eat less calorie dense food" that you put forth as though somehow you think an overweight person has simply never heard of these concepts before just makes you look as though you equate fatness with stupidity. Maybe there's a person or two left in the world that might be amazed and stunned to discover that they can eat more broccoli than French fries for the same calories, but I wager those people are few and far between. You also clearly display your bias when you suggest that I simply need to get my calories from veggies instead of cake and French fries. How do you know what I eat?? You don't! You only THINK you do because I say I'm overweight


How dare he give eating advice to someone who is admittedly overweight.
 
2012-10-24 11:11:48 AM

liam76: PsiChick: Actually, I care because people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight. It's one thing to have a rational discussion. America does not have a rational discussion. It has irrational hatred.

So because some people will post a variant of "I hope you die" you want to challenge me for saying something that isn't even remotely related to that. That makes sense.


PsiChick: This woman has had to deal with that hatred her entire life, and is now standing up to it. What part of that, exactly, are you mocking?

First off I want to reiterate "that hatred" you are talking about has nothing to do with my comments. Pointing out I really doubt she has made a serious effort at healthy eating and a regular exercise program doesn't amount to "hatred". Even among a fatty whiteknight-er such as yourself.

Second, we don't know how much hatred she had to deal with.

To you posting a picture of how fat you are in a bathing suit in order to confront people who think it is unattractive and know it is unhealthy is sanding up to something? Because it looks like attention whoring to me.

Or do you think fat people don't have the right to say that they deserve as much respect as anyone else?

I gave her as much respect as I would to anyone who complained about a health problem they could probably fix and instead of fixing it drew attention to it and biatched about how people didn't like them for it.

As for deserving of respect? I respect people who fix their problems over people who expect the world to change fro them.


So just because some people say Jewish people should go and die, I can't mock Jews for being Jews? And actually, I give them as much respect as anyone else who has a religious faith they can change.


FTFY. And yes, when you're mocking her for saying 'I'm fat and that doesn't give people the right to be assholes', you are talking about a topic entirely related to people who call her things like a beached whale. RTFA. Her statement sums up the connection very nicely.
 
2012-10-24 12:19:59 PM

PsiChick: So just because some people say Jewish people should go and die, I can't mock Jews for being Jews? And actually, I give them as much respect as anyone else who has a religious faith they can change.


That especially stupid, even coming from you, and has been adressed numerous times in this very thread.

Your choice in religion isn't really comparable to your choice in food.

That flash of stupidity has earned you a favorite tag.

PsiChick: FTFY. And yes, when you're mocking her for saying 'I'm fat and that doesn't give people the right to be assholes', you are talking about a topic entirely related to people who call her things like a beached whale. RTFA. Her statement sums up the connection very nicely


Except that isn't why I am mocking here. Not suprised you are too dense to get that as you think your choice of religion is on par with your choices on food and activity level.

I am mocking here for flaunting a picture of her showing off how fat she is while complaining that it is nobody's business how fat she is.
 
2012-10-24 12:27:13 PM

machoprogrammer: peachfish: I would also say to you, your suggestions of "eat less, exercise more, eat less calorie dense food" that you put forth as though somehow you think an overweight person has simply never heard of these concepts before just makes you look as though you equate fatness with stupidity. Maybe there's a person or two left in the world that might be amazed and stunned to discover that they can eat more broccoli than French fries for the same calories, but I wager those people are few and far between. You also clearly display your bias when you suggest that I simply need to get my calories from veggies instead of cake and French fries. How do you know what I eat?? You don't! You only THINK you do because I say I'm overweight.

I wasn't saying that was what you eat (was just saying you don't have to go hungry to be at a caloric deficit). However, I guarantee you that you are eating more than what you think.

For a week, calculate the calories of everything you put in your mouth. Weigh it and calculate the calories.


I've been calculating the calories of everything I eat for about 3 years.
 
2012-10-24 12:34:36 PM
As this thread tapers off, do we get to vote on who was most sanctimonious?
 
2012-10-24 12:43:18 PM

liam76: PsiChick: So just because some people say Jewish people should go and die, I can't mock Jews for being Jews? And actually, I give them as much respect as anyone else who has a religious faith they can change.

That especially stupid, even coming from you, and has been adressed numerous times in this very thread.

Your choice in religion isn't really comparable to your choice in food.

That flash of stupidity has earned you a favorite tag.

PsiChick: FTFY. And yes, when you're mocking her for saying 'I'm fat and that doesn't give people the right to be assholes', you are talking about a topic entirely related to people who call her things like a beached whale. RTFA. Her statement sums up the connection very nicely

Except that isn't why I am mocking here. Not suprised you are too dense to get that as you think your choice of religion is on par with your choices on food and activity level.

I am mocking here for flaunting a picture of her showing off how fat she is while complaining that it is nobody's business how fat she is.


So a girl takes a photo in a bikini, and her Facebook friends, who presumably include her real friends, treat her like shiat for it. She responds by saying 'it is not okay to treat people like shiat'.

And you join in on the side of the people who have been tormenting her.

If I were you, I'd be ashamed to show my face in public, let alone try to claim other people are stupid. Building a strawman and insisting your strawman has no connection to the pure hate people spew isn't an argument. It's just willful ignorance and malice.
 
2012-10-24 01:06:35 PM

PsiChick: So a girl takes a photo in a bikini, and her Facebook friends, who presumably include her real friends, treat her like shiat for it. She responds by saying 'it is not okay to treat people like shiat'.



Where are her facebook friends treating her like shiat?
FTA She decided to leave the picture online, where the overwhelming majority of comments have been supportive.



PsiChick: Building a strawman



You tried to interchange Jews and fat people, you came up with this gem in response to me "

people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight, you made up claims about here friends attacking her over the picture, and you are going to gring up strawmen?


PsiChick: And you join in on the side of the people who have been tormenting her.


And you join in on the side of people who think there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a 500lb ham beast (that wass a strawman, but fair play given your past comments, especially the one above), and anyone who says anything negative about that is joining the side of peopel who torment people (that bitisn't a strawman).

PsiChick: It's just willful ignorance and malice


What would you call conflating religion and being fat?
 
2012-10-24 01:37:47 PM

pagstuff: As this thread tapers off, do we get to vote on who was most sanctimonious?


Just who are you to come into this thread and DARE to presume that someone has acted sanctimonious?! Maybe it's just me, but I was raised better than that. If you don't have the moral upbringing to behave like a someone with common decency on the Internet, then perhaps you should stay out of threads where adults are trying to have a reasoned and thoughtful conversation. If you insist upon acting like a pompous git, then perhaps 4chan would be more appropriate for your drivel.

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2012-10-24 01:53:24 PM

liam76: PsiChick: So a girl takes a photo in a bikini, and her Facebook friends, who presumably include her real friends, treat her like shiat for it. She responds by saying 'it is not okay to treat people like shiat'.


Where are her facebook friends treating her like shiat?
FTA She decided to leave the picture online, where the overwhelming majority of comments have been supportive.



PsiChick: Building a strawman


You tried to interchange Jews and fat people, you came up with this gem in response to me "people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight, you made up claims about here friends attacking her over the picture, and you are going to gring up strawmen?


PsiChick: And you join in on the side of the people who have been tormenting her.

And you join in on the side of people who think there is absolutely nothing wrong with being a 500lb ham beast (that wass a strawman, but fair play given your past comments, especially the one above), and anyone who says anything negative about that is joining the side of peopel who torment people (that bitisn't a strawman).

PsiChick: It's just willful ignorance and malice

What would you call conflating religion and being fat?


RTFA. The original FB comments were what prompted her to write that letter.

In another thread I actually went through and listed some of the things said on Fark, let alone the rest of the 'net. That ain't a strawman, buddy. That's called 'what I found when I naively went out and read comments, thinking I might find hope in humanity'.

And yeah. I'd rather be on the side of someone who's fat. Because notice how when she's fat, it affects me not in the slightest, but when you're supporting the idea that it's okay to be rude to fat people because 'criticism', you're helping support a group of hateful assholes?

Also, if you don't understand 'analogy', you might want to stop posting and go back to middle school.
 
2012-10-24 02:07:29 PM

PsiChick: RTFA. The original FB comments were what prompted her to write that letter.


I read the article. It doesn't say that, and what I quoted from the article contradicts what you said.


PsiChick: In another thread I actually went through and listed some of the things said on Fark, let alone the rest of the 'net. That ain't a strawman, buddy. That's called 'what I found when I naively went out and read comments, thinking I might find hope in humanity'.


The strawman is you holding me accountable for what others have said.


PsiChick: And yeah. I'd rather be on the side of someone who's fat. Because notice how when she's fat, it affects me not in the slightest, but when you're supporting the idea that it's okay to be rude to fat people because 'criticism', you're helping support a group of hateful assholes?


If some attention whore goes to the media with a picture of heerself in a bikini saying how she looks is none of their business, yes it is fine to be "rude" to her.

At no point did I say it was ok to go up to her on the street and berate her.

But you have never let what I say get in the way of what you imagine, so why start now.

PsiChick: Also, if you don't understand 'analogy', you might want to stop posting and go back to middle school


For an analogy to work they have to be similiar. Your choice of faith is in no way related to your decision to be an attention whore about your unhealthy life choices. You might as well be saying special rules for smokers is like making black peopel sit in the back of the bus. It is stupid. It shows a fundamental failure to understand the situation.
 
2012-10-24 02:11:03 PM

liam76: At no point did I say it was ok to go up to her on the street and berate her simply because she is over weight.


FTFM
 
2012-10-24 03:40:13 PM

liam76: PsiChick:

If some attention whore goes to the media with a picture of heerself in a bikini saying how she looks is none of their business, yes it is fine to be "rude" to her.


This is your fundamental misunderstanding of this entire situation. She's not saying 'ZOMG want attention want attention', she's saying 'there is a serious problem with how America treats fat people'. Just like when bullying victims come forward and talk about bullying, it's not about attention. It's about a real problem.

Understandably, when you start talking about her farking weight after that and calling her an attention whore...yeah, no, that's not healthy criticism. That's just being an ass.
 
2012-10-24 03:42:21 PM

Super_pope: I hate this shiat. You are NOT hot because you say so, and every body is not beautiful.


And nobody is absolutely unattractive just because you say so, Internet Beauty Judge. Nobody's saying you have to like everyone's appearance. What they're saying is that your opinion is not fact.
 
2012-10-24 03:46:05 PM

PsiChick: liam76: PsiChick:

If some attention whore goes to the media with a picture of heerself in a bikini saying how she looks is none of their business, yes it is fine to be "rude" to her.

This is your fundamental misunderstanding of this entire situation. She's not saying 'ZOMG want attention want attention', she's saying 'there is a serious problem with how America treats fat people'. Just like when bullying victims come forward and talk about bullying, it's not about attention. It's about a real problem.

Understandably, when you start talking about her farking weight after that and calling her an attention whore...yeah, no, that's not healthy criticism. That's just being an ass.


Really, she doesn't have a blog talking about how fat people are treated with a picture of her in her bikini?
 
2012-10-25 11:32:37 AM

peachfish: peachfish: machoprogrammer: peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?

In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.

So if I'm an average sized person, I'm allowed to eat what I want when I'm hungry, but if I'm fat you really think I will be a happy dieter eating my 1200 calories of steamed broccoli and boiled chicken forever? Because in order to maintain weight loss, the change you make has to be something you're willing to do for the rest of your life. This is why "diets" fail for 98% of people. If you don't find a way of eating that you are comfortable maintaining forever, you will simply regain anything you lose.

I would also say to you, your suggestions of "eat less, exercise more, eat less calorie dense food" that you put forth as though somehow you think an overweight person has simply never heard of these concepts before just makes you look as though you equate fatness with stupidity. Maybe there's a person or two left in the world that might be amazed and stunned to discover that they can eat more broccoli than French fries for the same calories, but I wager those people are few and far between. You also clearly display your bias when you suggest that I simply need to get my calories from veggies instead of cake and French fries. How do you know what I eat?? You don't! You only THINK you do because I say I'm overweight.


I believe it was you who stated that it was impossible to experience "healthy" and sustainable satiety and weight loss on a calorie deficit. The likelihood is that if you are not achieving any measurable weight loss over three years your brain is making you cheat because you are scared of being hungry. I can let you in on a small secret that I think is the basis of your confusion...hunger isn't some sort of biological monstrosity. Our bodies are built to deal with short periods of hunger. Recent research even shows that we can benefit from intermittent fasting. We have difficulties with long periods of fasting and anorexia is not good. However, anyone trying diligently to lose weight should get used to the echo chamber feeling in their stomach. It's not the end of the freakin' world! Only in modern times is food so cheap and prevalent that we have the luxury of eating all that we want and stretching out our stomachs to obscene sizes. When most people have desk jobs, this is not a biological advantage.

Eat when your blood sugar gets low and you need the food to be active. Eat when your body needs the nutrition. Don't eat just because "my belly ain't full". Most skinny people most assuredly do not eat every time they feel rumbling in their bellies or else they would not be skinny. In fact, most thin people work very hard to stay that way. You are very likely seeing a very small snippet of a skinny person's behavior. Oftentimes I go out with friends and eat more than they do, but it is usually from a healthier part of the menu and then I go to the gym and work out for over an hour...so it evens out. Eat to fuel your activity not your hunger...because in this society, hunger hormones are way out of whack for most people.

Anyone who is having difficulties with portions and keeping within the confines of their target calories (which is sounds like you might be), should attempt one or more of the following: 1) exercise more so that you can adjust your diet counts up by a few hundred calories and your deficit should not change because of the exercise expenditure offest (you can eat your processed/cheat foods immediately after exercise to avoid blood sugar fluctuations), 2) eat more healthy fats and lean proteins in your diet and try for larger breakfasts and lunches instead of large dinners, 3) eat fresh fruit any time you get hungry (choose fruits with high water content/seeds/pith/fiber for greater results), and finally 4) unless you prepare every single meal you eat at home with measuring cups and a scale, assume your calories counts are off against your favor by like 100 calories because the chances are you are cheating on all your calorie logs and you don't even know it because it is human nature.
 
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