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(Daily Mail)   The woman who sparked a debate on beauty after Facebook picture in her underwear. Warning: Picture might be considered obscene because subject is not thin. And we all know that only skinny people can show their stomachs and celebrate themselves   (dailymail.co.uk) divider line 436
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2012-10-23 03:04:59 PM  

theoutlaw: ZombiesYall: The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?

It really depends on the kinds of situations you're in. Someone who is a lot bigger than the norm in a particular situation will often get a comment or two- she mentioned horseriding, if she was bigger than the other girls then people may have felt the need to comment on that. Some people think saying 'you're heavier than most' is as harmless as saying 'wow, you're short' or 'wow, you don't look strong/fit enough to be doing that'*.
Also, some people are just dicks who want to impose their morals on strangers. If you have an outward 'flaw', they call you on it. I hate smoking, but I know people who walk up to strangers smoking and berate them. I can't imagine doing that. It's so rude!

Also, I think you've misunderstood the article. Humans of New York wanted to take her picture, took it, and she mentioned her blog. He went on her blog, and reposted her own picture of herself in a bikini rather than the picture he'd taken of her clothed during the day.

/* yes I'm projecting because I get comments like this all the time from strangers...


Oh, yeah, I did misunderstand the article, or was genuinely confused by what I thought it was saying, and wanted clarification. Thank you.
 
2012-10-23 03:05:19 PM  
I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ..gasp...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look around you! Talk to any man or woman over 40 and ask about tolerance for having a spare tire. For men it is practically expected while women get hounded.


They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

My husband is fat. My previous boyfriend had a sculpted body but the emotional level of a 16 yr old.


Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."

They are real... Real ass wipes.


She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!
The terms are:
Calories in - food you eat
Calories burned - energy burned in exercise or body maintenance
Calories stored - energy stored as fat
Calories out - calories exiting your body in your poop

Calories burned for a single activity is highly variable not just person to person, but for the same person under different circumstances. That is why people have to vary their work out routines. A person who has dieted will burn significantly fewer calories doing the same work out than they did before the diet.

Calories out is probably the most important term in the whole equation. Different people have different efficiency levels, with highly efficient people putting more energy away as fat than less efficient people. This also is highly variable, both person to person and for the same person under different circumstances. Unless you know your efficiency level is higher than the fatty you are criticizing STFU!


Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.

Being fat is not a choice. It is a metabolic condition that you have to deal with.


I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

Walking pace is ~3 miles/hour. A walked marathon (which only a small proportion of Farkers would be able to do) would take 8.7 hours. A 5 hour marathon is nearly twice that speed.


Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw.
One of my character flaws is I can beam an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want.


FTFY
Your body chemistry is not a character flaw.


She's at least 18, and even though I can't say for sure I can reasonably infer that she hasn't been doing much about her weight. Partly because she ends her rant with the statement "who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was."

You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.


This!
I'm amazed at the number of people here who think they know exactly what this girl eats and what her exercise regimen is just by looking at her picture. Just because it would take powering down Big Macs and cheesecake to make them fat they assume she has the exact same genetics that they do even though it is obvious that she doesn't.


Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.


I was the exact same way growing up. I was a bag of antlers (5'8" and 120 lbs) I couldn't understand how people could be fat when being skinny was so easy. I drank ensure between meals to try to put some weight on. I gained 5 lbs after doing that for 2 months. I celebrated by stopping (ensure tastes like ass) and lost those 5 lbs in 2 days. Then I hit 31 and changed my birth control. Those 2 changes (chemical and metabolic) resulted in me gaining 40 lbs in 2 weeks, and continuing to gain about 1 lb a year. Now it is as difficult to take weight off as it was to put weight on. You "Calorie in - calorie out" people can STFU and EABOD because I know the weight issue from both sides and I know you are wrong.
 
2012-10-23 03:12:08 PM  

Sleeping Monkey: It's all fun and games celebrating obesity until you try to defend your country with the marshmallow brigade.


Didn't you hear? The Marshmallow brigade was merged with teh 101st Graham Crackers and Chocolate. Now they rain melty goodness from above. Victory thy name is S'mores!!!!

/came for the articles
//stayed for the attention whores
 
2012-10-23 03:12:50 PM  

puppetmaster745: Not bad, but she would be smoking hot if she lost about 15 100 lbs.

 
2012-10-23 03:13:07 PM  
i48.tinypic.com

We have a perfectly nice thread going on big breasts, and everyone is posting in the fat girl thread.

Fark, I am disappoint.

Click on the pic and enjoy life a little.
 
2012-10-23 03:14:23 PM  

NotARocketScientist: .....


you don't know thermodynamics very well.. soooo shut your pie hole. you know just enough about it to think you're making an intelligent objection.

IIF Calories Consumed > Calories burned => Weight Gain
IIF Calories Consumed Weight Loss

For anything else to be true you must either create or destroy energy. When you're making the closed systems objection you're talking about entropy change, and that isn't involved here.
 
2012-10-23 03:17:58 PM  

NotARocketScientist: You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


OH. She said she tried! Well then, discussion over! Let's just give her a gold star then, shall we?

Biology works against you, but it doesn't change the reality that fat is just stored energy. If you expend more energy than you consume, your body will pull it from stores. Yes, losing weight when you're fat is HARD, but it is not IMPOSSIBLE. Obesity is just one of the many growing (no pun intended) areas of life where the fact that it is difficult to deal with means no one should be expected to deal with it at all. This woman will get diabetes, she will have joint issues, and a whole host of other related illnesses. Anyone telling her she should be fine with her weight is telling her she should be fine with an early death. If that's your meaning, then that's fine, but let's not celebrate failure.
 
2012-10-23 03:24:24 PM  
I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.
 
2012-10-23 03:27:23 PM  

liam76: PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. SomeA very tiny percentage of people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

FTFY.



But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Maybe for the same reason you care if I care?

Maybe because I am bored at work and I don't really "care" but I do find it amusing to mock someone who is crying about the attention her body gets when she is standing behind a picture of her body in a swimsuit on facebook, and garnering more attention.


Actually, I care because people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight. It's one thing to have a rational discussion. America does not have a rational discussion. It has irrational hatred.

This woman has had to deal with that hatred her entire life, and is now standing up to it. What part of that, exactly, are you mocking? Or do you think fat people don't have the right to say that they deserve as much respect as anyone else?
 
2012-10-23 03:28:32 PM  

machoprogrammer: PsiChick: liam76: For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it. Who cried for hours over the fact she would never be thin.

Too bad she didn't try the "extreme measure" of a healthy diet and moderate exercise program.

Actually, that was probably step 1. There's this interesting thing called 'the latest scientific research...from ten years ago' that you might want to catch up with. Some people honestly can't lose weight. Some people can.

But that said, even if she could...why the fark do you care?

Umm, no. That isn't "extreme". That is called "eating right and exercise". And anyone can lose weight.


Well, yes. That's why I said it was probably step 1. That generally indicates that there are, gasp...more steps.

/Dude, really, that was spectacularly stupid.
 
2012-10-23 03:29:06 PM  

theflatline: I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.


Checking your profile: Dude, you married into a good looking family. High fives
 
2012-10-23 03:31:44 PM  

dragonchild: I'm sure there are assholes out there who love nothing more than making people feel bad, but when people reach this state, the assholes are indistinguishable from those who are genuinely trying to help. Her "none of your ******* business" is a clear statement she's just shut out all feedback, good and bad. Where do you think she goes from here?


A happy life where she can worry about more important things?

As for LOLWUT, I refer you to anorexia nervosa.
 
2012-10-23 03:34:48 PM  

theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.


Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?
 
2012-10-23 03:34:58 PM  

theflatline: I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.


Doesn't matter. You're bald. You unfarkable shiatstain.

/kidding
 
2012-10-23 03:35:35 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: theflatline: I work in a call center so I am sorrounded by obese people, who all "have"glandular problems" are other excuses that keep them from lossing weight.

I have a coworker who is 30 years old 4'11 and 180 lbs. She whines and complains about her metabolism and goes on fad diets, eats salad never seems to lose weight.

However, Rachel eats salads covered in creamy dressings, usually a half a bottle. Some days she just drinks ensure, then orders a large nachos because her stomach feels empty.

When approached to excercise she always declines. She wanted to take up horseback riding like the girl in the article, but got forbid walking down the street.

Another is Andrea, 28 years old 5'5 down to 180 from 200. No excercise, just cigarettes and diet pills. Sadly the majority of my coworkers are like that, but yet they want to all be dating Brad Pitt.

I might go to the bar to drink a few 4 days a week,but I walk the mile there and the mile back. I also swim for a half hour each morning, and do light lifting three days a week.

I am 42 and look better than all of them, and I do not really watch what I eat(well I do not eat creamy stuffs or sweets because I do not like them).

I quit the fitness routine for a month and got a belly. Forget that.

It is more about will power than anything.

Checking your profile: Dude, you married into a good looking family. High fives


Thanks, my mother in law is 4'10 has nine kids, she is still tiny because she is active. And of course she walks everywhere up and down the mountains, which does keep herself pretty fit, Colombians eat like pigs but are super active. I never saw many fat people there, so we all must have regular glands...
 
2012-10-23 03:36:42 PM  

NotARocketScientist: QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!



It most certainly is an aspect of part of the first law, specifically the law of conservation of energy. This states that energy can be neither created nor destroyed. In no way shape or form can you get around it. If you burn more calories than you take it, the energy has to come from somewhere, period. Fat is little more than stored energy. Burn more then you take in, and you will lose weight. You people seem to think comic book physics are real. It's pathetic seeing all the rationalization going on.

I'm actually perplexed as the the self image comment. Methinks you are projecting. Seeing as how you admit you are struggling with weight, and I have been just about the same weight for over 25 years, I think the only one seeking validation is yourself. I don't care if you are fat. I'm not, and thats because I don't make excuses or accept letting myself go to seed like so many.
 
2012-10-23 03:42:21 PM  

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


I got them during puberty, when I went from an A to a D over a summer. Then they got worse when I went on new meds and I went from D to DDD/F. They happen when the volume under the skin changes rapidly. Fat has nothing to do with it.
 
2012-10-23 03:43:52 PM  

blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?


I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.
 
2012-10-23 03:44:17 PM  

blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?


Does your argument extend to pedophiles? I'm sure they'd argue they were born that way. Someone with poor impulse control, whether it be expressed through overeating or through diddling kids, is harmful to themselves and to others. A legless guy is only harmful if someone drops him on you.
 
2012-10-23 03:46:10 PM  

madanimalscientist: abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

I got them during puberty, when I went from an A to a D over a summer. Then they got worse when I went on new meds and I went from D to DDD/F. They happen when the volume under the skin changes rapidly. Fat has nothing to do with it.


It has everything to do with volume, but if the volume is fat, then fat will cause stretch marks. And last time I checkes boobs are primarly fat.
 
2012-10-23 03:58:05 PM  
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2012-10-23 04:12:45 PM  

theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?

I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.


So, you don't want to answer the question then?
 
2012-10-23 04:16:06 PM  

Shatner's Bassoon: Attention whores come in all shapes and sizes...


THIS

If you're a big person, go get naked, post the pics on FB, enjoy yourself but really, you're no Rosa Parks.
 
2012-10-23 04:21:03 PM  

blahpers: theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?

I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?


Read my Boobies in this thread, your answer is there.
 
2012-10-23 04:23:28 PM  

The Only Jeff: Does your argument extend to pedophiles? I'm sure they'd argue they were born that way. Someone with poor impulse control, whether it be expressed through overeating or through diddling kids, is harmful to themselves and to others.


It would if (a) pedophilia was strictly a matter of biology coupled with impulse control and (b) we could actually do something about it beyond simply incarcerating them or otherwise minimizing the damage they do. I don't know enough about the subject to assess (a)--most people don't have to exert will power to avoid molesting children, I hope--but (b) pretty much screws us until we get to the point where we can remove pedophilia with a medical procedure--which, of course, opens us to a whole new bag of problems.

Point being, it's a damn shame that some people don't have the will power to control their body weight, but how does social shaming make the situation better? It could motivate the person to exert more will, but it could also simply crush what will they already have and make the problem worse.
 
2012-10-23 04:25:46 PM  

theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: blahpers: theflatline: It is more about will power than anything.

Is it any more reasonable to disparage people who have low will power than it is to disparage someone born without legs? Some people have more will power than others. Who's to say that isn't as much a product of their biological makeup as any other talent or flaw?

I grew up being made fun of because I have jug ears, had glasses, braces and corrective shoes all at the same time at a kid. So imagine I get teased a lot more than this chick. I was also picked last for sports, got smacked around a time or two by bullies, wedgies, swirlies, lunch taken, the whole nine yards. I got called crooked jaw because my face is pretty crooked, and off course I went bald at an early age.

But you know, I developed a personality, dressed well, developed my mind, and got over all of my percieved physical short comings.

My dad was pretty much "son you are always going to be short, jugeared, and skinny, stop worrying about that and worry about what counts."

And you know what I also lazy as a fark, no willpower at all, probably genetic because I have some other lazy as hell family members.

But I never whined about it on the internet, I forced myself to take stock of myself and get off my ass.

After I got over my internal lack of self esteem, my life became better, but I never exteranlized any of this issues in to a wa wa look at me.

You can be fat and have muscle tone, she is not even toned. Sure she can love herself for herself, and we can too, but she sure as hell does not have to whine about it.

So, you don't want to answer the question then?

Read my Boobies in this thread, your answer is there.


Sorry, maybe the question wasn't clear. I wasn't talking about direct biological inclinations toward obesity; I was talking about an inability to exert the will power needed to control their body weight.
 
2012-10-23 04:29:14 PM  

Optimus Composite: Mid_mo_mad_man: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesity in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fat. You aren't born fat, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choices. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walk.

Fark off. I like curves and a broad a$&. You can keep those stick girls. You slap one on the a$& and risk breaking their hip

Why do people always pull that crap when you say you don't find fat girls attractive? Why do the chubby chasers start screaming about how if you don't like fatties you must be lusting after those models who look like heroin addicts and would fall through a crack in the floor. Why do they have to go to the other extreme? Well let me tell you chubby chasers something, I don't find the facebook girls body attractive, and I don't find Kate Moss body attractive either. Here's a little something more my style.
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So you're into dudes, but haven't admitted it yet?
 
2012-10-23 04:38:40 PM  

blahpers: The Only Jeff: Does your argument extend to pedophiles? I'm sure they'd argue they were born that way. Someone with poor impulse control, whether it be expressed through overeating or through diddling kids, is harmful to themselves and to others.

It would if (a) pedophilia was strictly a matter of biology coupled with impulse control and (b) we could actually do something about it beyond simply incarcerating them or otherwise minimizing the damage they do. I don't know enough about the subject to assess (a)--most people don't have to exert will power to avoid molesting children, I hope--but (b) pretty much screws us until we get to the point where we can remove pedophilia with a medical procedure--which, of course, opens us to a whole new bag of problems.

Point being, it's a damn shame that some people don't have the will power to control their body weight, but how does social shaming make the situation better? It could motivate the person to exert more will, but it could also simply crush what will they already have and make the problem worse.


I don't think this girl was being shamed; I don't think she was on anyone's radar until these pictures went up along with her "get farked" attitude. Usually if the obese person is like, "I'm fat, and I know I shouldn't be, but I acknowledge it's a poor choice I choose to live with," people leave them alone. When they say, "I'm fat and that's fine, you're wrong for thinking otherwise," is when they get attention.
 
2012-10-23 04:51:06 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I notice that there seems to be a lot more tolerance for the fat-gutted women than there is for the fat-gutted men. Sexual hypocrisy makes your argument invalid.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH ..gasp...HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Look around you! Talk to any man or woman over 40 and ask about tolerance for having a spare tire. For men it is practically expected while women get hounded.


They are, of course, rank hypocrites of the highest order, and the best way to stop them dead in their tracks is to ask them, if they really believe that "all sizes are beautiful" why they never have dated a fat man.

My husband is fat. My previous boyfriend had a sculpted body but the emotional level of a 16 yr old.


Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


Fark fat threads: Bringing out the complete and utter jackass in people claiming to be "just being real."

They are real... Real ass wipes.


She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.

QUIT CALLING THIS NONSENSE THERMODYNAMICS!
Take a freakin physics class! Thermodynamics refers to closed systems, and you must consider ALL the terms in the system, not just ones that validate your self image!
The terms are:
Calories in - food you eat
Calories burned - energy burned in exercise or body maintenance
Calories stored - energy stored as fat
Calories out - calories exiting your body in your poop

Calories burned for a single activity is highly variable not just person to person, but for the same person under different circumstances. That is why people have to vary their work out routines. A person who has dieted will burn significantly fewer calories doing the same work out than they did before the diet.

Calories out is probably the most important term in the whole equation. Different people have different efficiency levels, with highly efficient people putting more energy away as fat than less efficient people. This also is highly variable, both person to person and for the same person under different circumstances. Unless you know your efficiency level is higher than the fatty you are criticizing STFU!


Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.

Being fat is not a choice. It is a metabolic condition that you have to deal with.


I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

Walking pace is ~3 miles/hour. A walked marathon (which only a small proportion of Farkers would be able to do) would take 8.7 hours. A 5 hour marathon is nearly twice that speed.


Being fat (not a few pounds overweight, but fat or obese) is 100% a character flaw.
One of my character flaws is I can beam an asshole, but I can shut that off if I want.

FTFY
Your body chemistry is not a character flaw.


She's at least 18, and even though I can't say for sure I can reasonably infer that she hasn't been doing much about her weight. Partly because she ends her rant with the statement "who was teased and tormented and hurt just for being who she was."

You, and a good deal of other farkers, obviously didn't read the part where she said that she has desperately tried to lose weight most of her life. I've known people who were fat kids, they work at it but biology works against them.


My ultimate point here is, when you look st someone who is fat you THINK you know a lot about them, but you really know nothing.


This!
I'm amazed at the number of people here who think they know exactly what this girl eats and what her exercise regimen is just by looking at her picture. Just because it would take powering down Big Macs and cheesecake to make them fat they assume she has the exact same genetics that they do even though it is obvious that she doesn't.


Growing up, I was always the skinniest, scrawniest kid on the playground. I always heard "You are so skinny!" and crap like that. As a boy growing up, that was about the worst thing you can hear. I ate and ate and never gained a pound. In high school, I'd eat fast food several times a day and didn't gain weight.

So I really don't give a fark if people told her she was fat. People say shiat like that all the time and either get used to it or work to change it.

I was the exact same way growing up. I was a bag of antlers (5'8" and 120 lbs) I couldn't understand how people could be fat when being skinny was so easy. I drank ensure between meals to try to put some weight on. I gained 5 lbs after doing that for 2 months. I celebrated by stopping (ensure tastes like ass) and lost those 5 lbs in 2 days. Then I hit 31 and changed my birth control. Those 2 changes (chemical and metabolic) resulted in me gaining 40 lbs in 2 weeks, and continuing to gain about 1 lb a year. Now it is as difficult to take weight off as it was to put weight on. You "Calorie in - calorie out" people can STFU and EABOD because I know the weight issue from both sides and I know you are wrong.


Egg-sacktly! Well said.
 
2012-10-23 05:06:07 PM  

Beta Tested: machoprogrammer: No, it is calories in - calories out. However, in "starvation mode", calories out goes down. It is still calories in - calories out. I have no idea how lactation effects calories, as I am a single male."

If you are exercising and lactating (assuming lactating means more calories and you are truly exercising), you need more than 1400 calories. Assuming you are 140 lbs, that alone means a TDEE of roughly 1400.

The reason people "fail" at diets is not because of hormones or anything. It is because diets are temporary. You need to make lifestyle changes. People lose weight on a diet, then go back to eating like a pig then complain it didn't work. Well no shiat.

Did you just start ignoring my earlier posts? This isn't true, from my earlier link:

"They will consume the protein in their muscles and organs rather than surrender the fat in their adipose tissue. Indeed, when these fat mice are starved, they do not become lean mice; rather, as William Sheldon might have put it, they become emaciated versions of fat mice"

Weight (fat) gain is a symptom of metabolic disorder, being fat doesn't cause the health issues you see (like Type II diabetes), but accompanies them. As in nearly all diseases not all of the symptoms for the disease manifest in all cases and that has almost everything to do with hormone signaling. That is why some people can eat lots of crap and stay skinny, they can also still get metabolic syndrome and have Type II diabetes. Conversely some people can be quite fit and healthy but overweight (generally not VERY overweight though).

You can also get metabolic disorder (and the weight related issues) from non-consumption diseases, including brain tumors, genetic diseases and so on. It is NOT just Calories In/Calories Out.

/If I remember correctly, lactating women should consume at least an extra 400-500 calories. This, of course, varies.


-------
That's what "they" say, but I know from experience that, if I increase my intake by even less than that, I gain weight (this isn't my first baby).
Breast milk is worth 20 calories per ounce. I'm making about 25-30 ounces a day, but there's no way I can offset that with increased intake. I just spend the first year after having a baby constantly hungry or I spend it gaining weight. Yet, at my weight, some asshat is going to look at me and think, "Gosh, she's really lazy and obviously eats too much because she has no willpower" while I'm going UP 20+ floors worth of stairs each day while they take the elevator. That is what pisses people like me off.
 
2012-10-23 05:13:31 PM  
She's beautiful.

would hit it like Hulk sucker punching Thor.

Hard, and requiring only a second.
 
2012-10-23 05:23:04 PM  

The Only Jeff: I don't think this girl was being shamed; I don't think she was on anyone's radar until these pictures went up along with her "get farked" attitude. Usually if the obese person is like, "I'm fat, and I know I shouldn't be, but I acknowledge it's a poor choice I choose to live with," people leave them alone. When they say, "I'm fat and that's fine, you're wrong for thinking otherwise," is when they get attention.


Eh, I was merely addressing the "it's totally will power" argument, not the subject of TFA in general.

Frankly, if she's okay with her body, I don't see why we should have a problem with it. "But increased socialized health care costs!" just doesn't hold much water with me.

I've got a bit of a muffin top going, but I just don't give enough of a sack to make ritual exercise a priority, and I write better code with a relatively steady sugar intake, so meh. If I lose a bit of life span, well, I would have spent that span exercising anyway, so what's the point?
 
2012-10-23 05:41:25 PM  

blahpers: The Only Jeff: I don't think this girl was being shamed; I don't think she was on anyone's radar until these pictures went up along with her "get farked" attitude. Usually if the obese person is like, "I'm fat, and I know I shouldn't be, but I acknowledge it's a poor choice I choose to live with," people leave them alone. When they say, "I'm fat and that's fine, you're wrong for thinking otherwise," is when they get attention.

Eh, I was merely addressing the "it's totally will power" argument, not the subject of TFA in general.

Frankly, if she's okay with her body, I don't see why we should have a problem with it. "But increased socialized health care costs!" just doesn't hold much water with me.

I've got a bit of a muffin top going, but I just don't give enough of a sack to make ritual exercise a priority, and I write better code with a relatively steady sugar intake, so meh. If I lose a bit of life span, well, I would have spent that span exercising anyway, so what's the point?


It's totally will power. Otherwise you're saying there isn't free will. And saying people are the product of biology gets a little too eugenicsy.

I think the objection isn't that she is okay with it, is that she thinks her body is something positive. I'm not good at tennis, I've accepted that. I do enjoy it. But I'm not going to insist that wildly overswinging and dropping the ball is an equally valid way to play.
 
2012-10-23 05:45:05 PM  

Beta Tested: Adipose is fat, your fat cells make leptin, then they use it to signal your brain to store more in them.


Um, leptin is the satiety hormone. The rats were obese because they couldn't make leptin. Second, leptin is not a simple hormone. It interacts with other hormones like insulin and melatonin. You can't track the effects of the body by following just one hormone.

blahpers: As for LOLWUT, I refer you to anorexia nervosa.


Anorexia isn't effort at self-improvement; it's mental sickness on the level of an addiction. An obese person who is otherwise mentally stable does not simply wok into anorexia. Anorexics tend to die for the same reason that obese attention whores like the girl in TFA do -- instead of admitting they have a serious problem, they become delusional, glorify their current state and declare victory. Anorexics are notoriously dishonest, and will casually lie to their loved ones to avoid confronting their habit. How is this in any way comparable to self-improvement?

To clarify, I'm not hating on her because she's "fat". As I said earlier, she's really not that bad. But instead of having any sort of goal, despite her screamingly obvious inferiority complex she's going to build this delusion that she's satisfied with the status quo. This isn't just going to wreck her health; she's basically declared she's going to ignore all advice, ever. The lack of any social feedback mechanisms is the instant recipe for a world-class asshole. Her attitude is a thousand times more repulsive than her looks.
 
2012-10-23 05:52:05 PM  

NotARocketScientist: Since the streachmarks go primarily up and down, they are likely to be due to a growth spurt in puberty. They would be horizontal if they were due to fat.


I started getting a small belly when I hit 230 lbs at age 24 or so and that's when I started to develop vertical stretch marks around my belly button...they look like quotation marks and they are permanent no matter how skinny I get. The orientation of stretch marks are not diagnostic.

Either you can go out on a limb and say stretch marks are irrelevant to beauty and people should stop discussing them or you can consider Occam's razor and move on.
 
2012-10-23 05:59:31 PM  
It's cool that so many dudes that can't get anything better than fat chicks actually try to convince everyone that the like, nay, prefer objectively obese and bestrechmarked women

lol
 
2012-10-23 06:26:27 PM  

Beta Tested: To the people making the "2nd Law of Thermodynamics" argument, you need to just stop. You sound like a creationist that doesn't understand either the law or how/where it is actually applicable to physical systems. The 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is NOT directly applicable to an active organism that is governed by complex biochemical processes, especially when the goal is something as highly SPECIFIC as health and adipose tissue reduction.

Fat tissue is not subject to the whims and desires of the consciousness of the person whose body it is in, nor is it a passive storage point for excess energy. It is innervated, active tissue that can demand more Calories at the expense of the organism as a whole.
...
Giving horrible advice, such as starving yourself, which is what you are doing when you are hungry but not eating, is terrible and counter-productive. Bodybuilders and athletes with weight classes (weightlifting, wrestling, etc.) often undergo purposeful calorie deficits for very short periods of time, even these extremely dedicated athletes with iron wills find the task near impossible, and certainly cannot maintain it for any length of time required to lose significant amounts of weight. Bodybuilders especially often end up causing themselves physical and psychological damage.

Obesity is America is a large-scale, public health issue and it is fueled by cheap corn and companies feeding highly processed non-food to the population, which in turn screws up their metabolism making them sick and causing their bodies to store more fat than they otherwise would. The only real solution involves the entire society, but each of us can do our part by eating real, healthy, unprocessed food.

/running long slow distances (e.g. marathons) isn't really that good for you and also isn't a good exercise for losing fat
// "Input


Wow, this whole post makes my brain hurt. Calories in versus calories out works for a lot of people. I've lost a lot of weight in my life and while my final weight loss required a healthy eating overhaul, every successful pound I lost was thanks to a diet, exercise or metabolically induced calorie deficit. The whole field of personal training relies on the concept of calorie deficits to surgically prescribe exercise and diet goals.

The problem is that we are constantly thwarted by human psychology. People overestimate how much they exercise and underestimate how much they eat. The body is rarely that complex. Sometimes there are plateaus and sometimes you encounter the dreaded "starvation mode" and sometimes digestion gets out of whack you are reminded that the body is not a neat equation. It can make amazing accommodations in its work and metabolism in order to maintain what it considers essential homeostasis. The issue is that the body cannot store new energy or new fat without ingestion of new calories, so if a person is monitoring their intake and expenditures religiously and that person does not become sick, there is no reason that person should ever become overweight. With persistence at the gym and honesty/precision in the kitchen, weight loss should be achievable, if slowly, for all otherwise healthy overweight people too.

I agree that junk food is terrible and a contributor to/enabler of a lot of society's problems. However, psychology ultimately plays a much bigger role.

And you are generally incorrect about running burning fat. Marathon running, especially if done slowly/at low intensity is probably best for burning fat stores and any available energy stores in the body. Cardio fuel preferences are carbs/glycogen first, followed by fat and muscle/protein as a last resort. A lean runner who doesn't feed themselves properly during a race may end up losing muscle, but it's entirely possible that slow, chubby runners are actually training their bodies to maintain and rely on large fat stores. I think you meant to suggest that super long duration cardio like marathons are not the best or most efficient way to lose fat in which case I would agree. They are ok for the heart, however. For that kind of cardio training, I prefer climbing a mountain.
 
2012-10-23 06:28:44 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Gary Coleman's kidneys: And in the second picture she is "layering" her clothing. A common way to dress in order to disguise the fat. So which is it, proud or still a bit ashamed? We know the
answer to that. No one wants to be fat.

It's autumn, about 90% of the women in the city are dressed like that.


Hmmm, good point.. that never crossed my mind, maybe because I have lived in south Florida all my life. People only layer for one reason here.
 
2012-10-23 06:34:03 PM  

elysive: People overestimate how much they exercise and underestimate how much they eat. The body is rarely that complex.


The body is wicked complex. However, I will agree that half the failures are due to "cheating".
 
2012-10-23 06:40:32 PM  

dragonchild: elysive: People overestimate how much they exercise and underestimate how much they eat. The body is rarely that complex.

The body is wicked complex. However, I will agree that half the failures are due to "cheating".


I agree that the body is complex overall, but most of the time the equations work...even when using a super simple equation. My weight times 10 as a target calorie count for the day is all I use. If I eat much more than that target calorie count for a week, I gain weight. If I maintain a deficit greater than 300 calories due to food intake/exercise, I generally keep the numbers on the scale moving down. This has been working for me for the last year. It's worked for clients for the last six months. I didn't bother with equations before that, but cutting down on calories and exercising has always worked for me.

I realize that is anecdotal, but I've taken classes on prescribing target calorie counts...very fricking boring classes...and I believe that the rule of thumb works works when people are honest and don't have metabolic disorders or illnesses hindering their progress. Sometimes you have to come up with a system to keep yourself honest because it's human nature to fudge the numbers.
 
2012-10-23 06:53:32 PM  
I know a lot of people will intentionally mistake this for the whining of the "privileged".....

....but to be honest, men are fat-shamed just as much as women, just in slightly different ways, and don't even get to be as fat as the average woman (even giving women a few pounds for "female body type") before being harshly judged. It just doesn't get any play in the press, because men don't expect to be automatically respected and free from crtiticism and congratulated by everyone for being a proud fatass.

I have been told that my 20-pound beer gut on a 6'3" frame was "gross", and was too much for me to be sexy, by women who were no prizes at all. One 80+ lbs overweight, and another low-self-esteem, alcoholic tattooed skank with 2 kids, loose flab, and droopy pockmarked skin. A man who is 30-50 pounds overweight is considered much too fat by most women, and generally won't even be seen as potential date material, yet nobody is supposed to criticize a woman who is almost obese and certainly unhealthy.

I have no harsh words for this woman. I hope she's happy, and that people treat her well. But I wish that for everyone else, too- and not living in shame doesn't imply people need to be "proud" about their fat rolls to be happy.
 
2012-10-23 07:26:50 PM  
She's overweight.
It's not an opinion, a judgement, or an overt insult- it's a statistic.

This isn't heroic.
 
2012-10-23 07:33:00 PM  
"My size is none of your business". That is why you posted a provocative picture of yourself in your underwear for the public to see. Because it's none of our business. It wasn't like you were vying for cheap attention or anything. In fact posting an underwear picture tells me right away that you don't want it to be any of our business.

Yeah. Even fat coonts can be attention whores. It's not only for the skinny teen meth moms who take photos of themselves with their toddlers in the background.
 
2012-10-23 07:33:18 PM  

PsiChick: Actually, I care because people will usually post some variant of 'I hope you die' at least three times in any given internet conversation about weight. It's one thing to have a rational discussion. America does not have a rational discussion. It has irrational hatred.


So because some people will post a variant of "I hope you die" you want to challenge me for saying something that isn't even remotely related to that. That makes sense.


PsiChick: This woman has had to deal with that hatred her entire life, and is now standing up to it. What part of that, exactly, are you mocking?


First off I want to reiterate "that hatred" you are talking about has nothing to do with my comments. Pointing out I really doubt she has made a serious effort at healthy eating and a regular exercise program doesn't amount to "hatred". Even among a fatty whiteknight-er such as yourself.

Second, we don't know how much hatred she had to deal with.

To you posting a picture of how fat you are in a bathing suit in order to confront people who think it is unattractive and know it is unhealthy is sanding up to something? Because it looks like attention whoring to me.

Or do you think fat people don't have the right to say that they deserve as much respect as anyone else?

I gave her as much respect as I would to anyone who complained about a health problem they could probably fix and instead of fixing it drew attention to it and biatched about how people didn't like them for it.

As for deserving of respect? I respect people who fix their problems over people who expect the world to change fro them.

Mose: liam76: WinoRhino: I doubt that's true. Actually, I know it isn't. It depends on a lot of factors: weight, speed, heart rate, etc. If I go out and run 3 miles at a 10:00 pace, you say I'll burn 390 calories... and if I do 3 miles at an 8:00 pace I'll burn the same? How about my wife who is 70 pounds less than me? She'll go run 3 miles at a 7:00 pace and also burn exactly 390 calories? What if she runs at a 9:00 pace? Still 130 per mile? It's amazing how you are able to assign constants to everything like that! Well, that settles it. No more sprint workouts at the track for me, I'm just gonna shuffle along at a 10:00 pace from now on and keep my heart rate really low

Sprinting burns a few more calories, but not that much.

Weight and distance are the main drivers in running.

Sprint workouts are good for building muscle (which will burn more calories inthe long run by virtue of having more muscles, not through the actual workout).

I think you're missing elevation gain, flat lander :)


Good point.
 
2012-10-23 08:00:49 PM  

L.D. Ablo: peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.


Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?
 
2012-10-23 08:04:28 PM  
good on her

from some of the monstrosities I saw at disney world this summer I'd say she's petite
 
2012-10-23 08:13:02 PM  

L.D. Ablo: peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.

Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.


I don't doubt that I would lose weight if I simply stopped eating, but that's called anorexia and is more likely to kill me than being fat is. I don't know a single "average" size person who has to starve or fast frequently to maintain their size, so why should *I* live that way just to make someone else feel more comfortable? Why should anyone?
Eat good food, a reasonable amount of it, get some exercise, mostly for the cardiac benefits, and be whatever size you happen to be while doing it. 100 people could all eat the same diet and get the same exercise and all will be a different size. We don't all need to conform to one standard.
I'm a happily married (to a 6ft tall 160lb man) woman with two kids, a masters degree and a professional career (which includes currently pursuing a bariatric counseling certification). If someone doesn't like the way I look, it's really more their problem than mine.
 
2012-10-23 08:31:10 PM  
Man, I would jump on that and ride the waves like a waterbed. Those pillows sure look comfy, too!
 
2012-10-23 08:31:19 PM  

peachfish: Here's the interesting thing to me: you say you just have to "get used to being hungry" in order to be thin. Everyone I know who is thin or average eats food, often more than I do, and they are not "hungry" all the time. So, if one is physically experiencing hunger in what should be a normal amount if food, how is it that we do not accept that some process within them isn't working quite right?
Hunger is a very strong motivator; without it a species would quickly die out as it would lack the motivation to seek food when food was scarce. Yet, we expect that those who experience more hunger than others should simply be able to ignore it because somehow the desire to conform to a social norm should be stronger. Does no one see the idiocy if that idea?


In general, healthier food makes you feel more full for less calories. For example, a can of beans has 300-420 calories (depending on bean, size, etc). That will fill you up due to the amount of fiber. Vegetables will fill you up with very low amount of calories. Try to eat 300 calories worth of broccoli without anything added -- I bet you cannot. This versus a serving of fries (~400 calories?). Or cake (900ish per slice?). Those will not fill you up.

You don't have to go hungry to lose weight -- just eat more foods that are less calorie dense (beans, vegetables, fruit, etc) rather than foods that are more calorie dense.
 
2012-10-23 08:33:44 PM  

dragonchild: If you hate yourself, that's your brain telling you to do better.


Smarted and QFT.
 
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