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2012-10-23 10:24:20 AM  
That's overweight?

Yeah, you go girl. Tell studman where he can stick his sharp knees.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:44 AM  

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.




Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:31 AM  
She's overweight. She doesn't look very good. Sorry.

But no one cares. No one told her she couldn't be proud of herself, or take self pics like a high school girl. Go nuts, take all the pics you want. Everyone is somebody's fetish, right?

I just don't understand who this defiant act is directed toward.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:38 AM  
I hate this shiat. You are NOT hot because you say so, and every body is not beautiful.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:45 AM  
More power to you cupcake. She's not hurting anyone but herself and whomever she happens to pass out on. And for all the morons crying about social cost - I'll chain smoke a pack of cigarettes and drink a couple doubles just for you tonight and when I do stroke out I'll got to ER and get them to write it off on your tax dime. Thanks! You'll get an ulcer worrying about what the other 12 billion people on the planet might be doing to offend you. Does hand wringing count as exercise? Maybe climbing up and down off that high horse does. Maybe some anti bacterial lotion to get the stench of the unacceptable off of your pristine souls.

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2012-10-23 10:27:28 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: That's overweight?

Yeah, you go girl. Tell studman where he can stick his sharp knees.


What kind of glasses are you wearing that prevent you from seeing that, yes, this girl is overweight.

Sure, she's no Honey Boo Boo's mom, but she is inarguably overweight.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:18 AM  

Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.


People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:51 AM  
cdn10.realitynation.com

Approves.


That being said, yeah, OK, it's great that you have self-confidence, but being a fat, unhealthy person is NOTHING to be proud of.(Yes, and being a skinny unhealthy person also not good, okay?)

If you just get louder and "sassier", it doesn't change the fact that you are still fat and should take care of yourself. You've just given up and are now rationalizing
 
2012-10-23 10:29:09 AM  

Mose: Litig8r: You're the jerk... jerk: Have you ever been to a marathon? I can count on one hand the number of overweight people I have seen finish with reasonable time. You can't use the exceptions as your basis that being overweight is perfectly fine and do not end up as a burden on society.

I'm with you -- I've rarely seen a markedly overweight person finish a marathon, much less in a reasonable time. And 5 hours isn't a reasonable time...it's slightly faster than a walking pace. I'll be impressed when one of them breaks the 3 hour mark.

I think anything under 4 hours is respectable. Sub 3 hours and you've qualified for Boston in any age and gender group.


List of celebrity marathon times. Oprah did it in four and a half. I am in between Bush and Ed Norton.
 
2012-10-23 10:29:28 AM  

vermicious k'nid: Sure, she's no Honey Boo Boo's mom, but she is inarguably overweight.


That woman needs to be checked for a thyroid issue or Cushings because not even morbidly-obese-from-food-alone people have necks like that.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:40 AM  

StreetlightInTheGhetto: And I'd like my health insurer to adjust rates for smokers, people who eat microwave popcorn or anyone who has (unless it's just kernels in a brown paper bag maybe with a bit of oil, then you get a bonus discount because you're not a total idiot), anyone who eats at a fast food restaurant more than once a week, inactive people (skinny or not, since slightly overweight but active people are healthier than skinny inactive people), anyone who lives near a coal power plant, anyone who has attended a rave or a Phish concert in the past, bikers who commute while inhaling exhaust, anyone who honestly liked that Friday song because your stupidity means you're more likely to get in an accident that I have to subsidize...


THIS.

And now the inevitable story from the fat healthy guy who needs to be at the gym in 26 minutes:
I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.

Two nights ago there was a woman at the local Zinga self-serve fro-yo place with close to a full pound swirled into her feed bag with easily 3,000+ calories of add-ins squished on top. She was easily over 300 pounds. She joked about how the price was over $10 and she probably went a bit overboard. And yeah, even I was judging her.

So if this chick is healthy (eats okay, exercises, etc) but still has weight issues, good for her. I understand what it is like wanting to yell at people who make assessments based on appearances even when I am just as guilty.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:59 AM  

astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."


I am skinny and can do a 5k fairly easy, even at 42 years old. Hell, I climbed to the top of a glacier and peaked down a live volcano last year. Do I consider them great feats, nooo.

And doing a marathon in 8 hours is nothing to brag about.
 
2012-10-23 10:31:38 AM  
Everyone should be free to look how they choose, and feel how they choose.

I choose to eat well and exercise. Some people don't. Fine by me. If you're happy, more power to you.
 
2012-10-23 10:32:00 AM  

IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...


No, it doesn't. Obesity is a serious health problem that can, and should, be treated with diet and exercise. Whether you accept it or not, obesity dramatically increases the risk of a variety of deadly medical problems such as diabetes and heart disease. These diseases will shorten your lifespan. That's a simple fact whether you think it's socially acceptable to be fat or not.
 
2012-10-23 10:32:59 AM  

FilmBELOH20: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

OK, fair enough. Question for you though.... What are your thoughts on universal health care? I've got no problem whatsoever paying more in taxes so that those who can't help themselves can get help. But along your lines of me minding my own business, doesn't it become my business when I have to pay for bad behavior and habits? Why should my tax dollars go to help a Type II Diabetic who is only that way because they can't put down the donuts? Why should I be forced to help pay for lung cancer treatments for a smoker?

"Society" is defined as a relationship with one's fellows. It's our job as a society to take care of one another, not celebrate or encourage bad choices and behavior. Certainly people shouldn't be bullied for whatever issue they may have, but the line above is brilliant - it shouldn't be celebrated in the name of self-esteem. It's like the kids playing sports today in leagues where they don't keep score or declare winners and losers. Sooner or later that's going to come back and bite the kids in the ass when they get in to the real world.


Well, that's always the classic excuse that people use to stick their nose where it doesn't belong, isn't it? Again, conflating personal choice with moral righteousness. I guess, judging by your statement, add to that an air of entitlement.

Just because something affects you, what makes you think you're absolutely entitled to have a say in the matter? I'm not saying you necessarily don't, but you seem to be saying that you necessarily do. How far do you take that? Are you entitled to have a say in everything that everybody does that even remotely affects you?

To more directly answer your question, I'd say that in the case of a hypothetical universal health care, your taxes should go to help those people because they're people, with the same fragile nature and weaknesses that you have. Just because their weaknesses may be different from yours, does not mean that you don't have any. Would you prefer we all judge each other to the point that nobody helps anybody because all of us deserve the worst as a result of our vices?
 
2012-10-23 10:33:21 AM  

vermicious k'nid: karmachameleon: serial_crusher: Fear_and_Loathing: She is within the norm for women.  Horrors!

Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It also shouldn't be condemned.

The problem with today's society is that too many people conflate their personal choices with morally righteous choices for everyone else. Fark off, in all seriousness. The world would be a much nicer place if people would just mind their own goddamned business.

It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.


Maybe society should just let it go back to being her burden. I didn't choose for it to be my burden, and it doesn't sound like she wants to be my burden either.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:02 AM  
This is my body deal with it...cause lord knows how I hate to diet.
 
2012-10-23 10:34:14 AM  
Caption from the 2nd picture: Proud: Stella Boonshoft posted the picture in response to everyone who has ever bulled her because of her size.

Hooo... uh... whoa... OK then.

Does anyone remember a time when we didn't parade about every little pathetic thing about our lives for the whole world to see? Seems to me I recall the only people who had dirt on me were people that knew me, in person.

Oh, and yes, she's cute, but drop the fatty act, honey. Women aren't allowed to be fat, only men are allowed to be fat. Women get to have multiple orgasms, men get to be fat. That's how it works.

/I keed
//Sort of
 
2012-10-23 10:36:10 AM  

FarkinHostile: astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).

Thermodynamics come into play with movement and exercise: lifting 100 pounds through one foot requires 0.0324 calories (your body will burn more than that because it's not 100% efficient). So it's possible to FORCE your body to run a caloric deficit, but only by eating very lightly.

My personal experience: I could run a 500 cal/day deficit (leading to 1lb/week fat loss) by eating 1700 (counted) cal/day (so my body could only pull my energy expenditure down to 2200ish cal/day). (I of course gained all 50-odd pounds back after stopping calorie counting).
 
2012-10-23 10:37:32 AM  

FarkinHostile:


Stop it with that farking bullshiat. The Law of Thermodynamics doesn't change for fat people. Number of calories taken in vs. number of calories burned. It is that simple.


Not really.

If you have two 2006 honda civics giving them equal amounts of the same type of gas doesn't they are going to be able to drive as far. Even if you are driving them in the same accelerating and braking profile things like how inflated the tires are, how smoothly the engine is running etc can all play a role. Our bodies are far more complex, as is the process by which we digest food.

I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".
 
2012-10-23 10:38:01 AM  

peachfish: People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.


Sorry, you follow the laws of thermodynamics like everyone else in the universe. 20 floors a day isn't exactly a lot when it comes to calorie burning or cardio (maybe if you are sprinting all 20 floors consecutively, then it might). I guarantee you that your diet is the cause of it -- either you are eating too much or too little (and thus, starvation mode). Weigh your food (always go by weight, not volume), figure out your TDEE, and eat 500 calories less than it.

WinoRhino: I went to get a physical 6 months ago. Doc comes in, looks at the chart, and says, "According to my chart here, you're well into the obese classification." He suggested I get more exercise. Two days previous I ran a 10 mile road race and normally run between 15-20 miles each week around a 9 / mile pace. I've done 42 half marathons and 8 full marathons in the last 10 years, and even with all that training I never dropped below 200 pounds (I'm 5'10") which still makes me "obese" on the charts. So yeah, I care fark-all about charts and classifications.


I am guessing you are eating too much then. You follow the laws of thermodynamics just like everything else in our universe. Running actually doesn't burn that many calories (130 calories per mile). So if you ran 10 miles, that is 1300 calories, or roughly 2 big macs.
 
2012-10-23 10:38:43 AM  
Are her tits smaller than her gut? Then she's fat. The end.
 
2012-10-23 10:41:09 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).


Sort of, but if you are eating at a deficit and not losing weight, you are either eating too much or too little. Eating too little (>500 cal deficit) results in farked up metabolism and "starvation mode", while eating too much obviously is bad, too. Roughly speaking, eat bodyweight x 10 calories per day (for sedentary person) and you'll lose weight.
 
2012-10-23 10:42:06 AM  

ambercricket: IlGreven: Sleeping Monkey: Normalizing obesityhomosexuality in our society does far more harm than good. It should never be seen as acceptable to be fatgay. You aren't born fatgay, you become fat through sloth and poor dietary choicessin and temptation. It's good to have self-esteem, but put down the soda and go for a walkget a good woman like your mother would want you to.

...sounds familiar...

No, it doesn't. Obesity is a serious health problem that can, and should, be treated with diet and exercise. Whether you accept it or not, obesity dramatically increases the risk of a variety of deadly medical problems such as diabetes and heart disease. These diseases will shorten your lifespan. That's a simple fact whether you think it's socially acceptable to be fat or not.


The guy that came up with "Hacker's Diet", that I followed for a couple years, cites this: look around for old people, for fat people, and for old fat people. Note the numerical disparity.

That diet is very simple: count calories, weigh in daily, smooth out water etc. weight fluctuations with a moving average, adjust calorie targets to maintain desired loss rate.

It works well (it pretty much has to). It's also impossible to stick to long-term. (I lost 50 lb from it over 1.5ish years, gained it all back after stopping the counting).
 
2012-10-23 10:43:33 AM  

liam76:
I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".



No, it is not more complicated than calories in vs calories out on the most fundamental level. Does what you eat have an impact? Yes. Does how much/what kind of exercise have an impact? Sure. But when it comes down to it, if you intake 2000 calories a day and burn 3000, you WILL lose weight, period.

It is that simple. This isn't rocket surgery, folks.
 
2012-10-23 10:46:59 AM  
Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.

I've got a 107 pound 15-year-old daughter with stretch marks.
 
2012-10-23 10:47:08 AM  

The Only Jeff: She must have that disease that causes her to gain weight even when she burns more calories than she takes in. You know, that thing that causes the rules of thermodynamics not to apply to you. What was it...oh right, bullshiat.

Being fat is a choice. It's a choice you the right to make, but don't expect people to overlook the fact you are physically unattractive with poor impulse control.


It doesn't help that there is loads of fitness malarky out there about eating 5 (or more) meals a day while dieting, or this idea that somehow your body goes into "starvation mode" and stops burning calories. I see people dieting and making themselves plush meals for lunch and dinner, with regular snacks in between. Granted its healthy food, but its still calories, and people convince themselves all this eating helps them lose weight just because its not cheese whiz and nachos. Truth is the average person can easily get by on eating twice a day, and the average dieter could probably cut that down to one.

Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.
 
2012-10-23 10:47:48 AM  

peachfish: Burr: vermicious k'nid: It SHOULD be condemned. Being unhealthy is a burden to society, not just the overweight person.

Huh, she doesn't look unhealthy in that picture.

I know some women who are built "broad". They never seem to have any weight related health issues.

Hell, one I know has a job that requires lots of physical labor. She may look overweight, but she gets plenty of exercise and eats fairly well.

People come in different sizes and this "if only they would put down the fork" mentality is a load of shiat.
I'm quite healthy. I have great blood pressure, good cholesterol, decent endurance for someone with asthma (allergy relayed). I used to go to the gym 5 days a week, but now that I have 2 small children I don't have time. Instead, I take the stairs at work all day; I try to get a minimum of 20 floors a day minimum. I never eat fast food, I mostly cook from scratch. I watch portion sizes and track my carbs and calories most days. I dont drink sugary drinks, or even most diet drinks. I'm 5ft 6 inches tall and I weigh 205, no matter what I do. But tell me some more how I'm lazy and all I do is eat junk food and soda and my poor health is costing you money, cause we fat people just haven't heard that enough.


Putting down the fork works.

I went from around 260 to 150 about three years ago. It has stayed off because I still count calories.

Nothing else worked. You just have to get used to being hungry.

Go look at some photos of Holocaust survivors and people in POW camps. Do you see any fat ones? Even someone a little chubby?

That's because they weren't getting enough calories.

If you want to lose weight, you have to count your calories and make sure you are using more calories than you take in. Lots of people have. Put down the fork if you want to lose weight. Try fasting for a week and see what happens.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:34 AM  

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Already mentioned, but that is indeed absolutely incorrect.

I consistently stay about 10-15 lbs underweight, never had kids and I have faded, but noticeable stretch marks on my hips. The hip/butt area grew a bit more than one would expect for a skinny white girl.

Stretch marks on the belly? Ok, maybe I see your point.

This girl is still very cute, but anyone saying she's not overweight is absolutely delusional. It's cool if some of you guys find that body type attractive, but let's call it what it is. That's a big girl.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:39 AM  

machoprogrammer: Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. Basically the only good way to measure calories burned is to measure calorie intake and change in body fat, then calculate calorie burn from that (at 3500 calories = 1lb fat).

Sort of, but if you are eating at a deficit and not losing weight, you are either eating too much or too little. Eating too little (>500 cal deficit) results in farked up metabolism and "starvation mode", while eating too much obviously is bad, too. Roughly speaking, eat bodyweight x 10 calories per day (for sedentary person) and you'll lose weight.


No matter what you're eating, if you're not losing weight, you're not running a calorie deficit.

The point everyone misses in these arguments is that calorie burn is HIGHLY variable from person to person, situation to situation. (I burned 2200 cal/day at 275lb, for example). All of the estimates out there for calories burned are broad rules of thumb, nothing more.

All of the apparent examples of people eating less than they burn, while not losing weight, are due to over-estimation of the burn rate. Nobody's creating energy out of nothing, chances are they're just overestimating their output. Of course there's plenty of underestimation of input out there too; I know as well as anyone that any food you eat standing over the sink does not add to your calorie intake :-).
 
2012-10-23 10:51:15 AM  

serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: astoreth: serial_crusher: MOST OF ALL, this picture is for me. For the girl who hated her body so much she took extreme measures to try to change it.

What kind of "extreme measures" did she take exactly, and why did she jump to the extreme measures instead of just maybe not eating so much, and going to the gym once in a while.

Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight. Some people are going to be pudgy no matter what, just like some people can wolf down all the junk and pizza they like, never exercise, and still be skinny as rails.

It is worth questioning how fast they're finishing those marathons. I usually don't dwell on time or PRs, because the important part of running is that you're having fun; but if your goal is to lose weight, an 8 hour marathon isn't really going to do much in terms of achieving that goal.

Seriously? THEY HAVE RUN MARATHONS. Plural. Their goal is not to lose weight, it is to RUN MARATHONS. I'm pretty sure they've come in under 5 hours, but still. Jebus, how many skinny people do you know can do that? Hell, I know even more normal-sized folks who eat crap and can't muster a 5k, but no one would give them shiat for being "unhealthy."

I'm going to go full on ITG here, but marathons are considered short distances in my social circle.
There's plenty of overweight ultrarunners, myself included. I'm honest with myself that it's because of my diet, and because losing weight isn't a huge priority. Like your friends, losing weight isn't my goal and it is also hard to lose weight while still maintaining a training schedule, since you need to be mostly calorie neutral during your long runs or you'll bonk.

Thing is, your friends are probably comfortable with their weights. If they are, that's great for them.
This isn't the blog post of somebody who's comfortable with her weight. This is the bog post of somebody who ...


I'd be curious as to what serial_crusher's definition of overweight is, vs. astoreth's. Marathon distances and up are pretty hard on the joints if you're 10 lbs or more overweight.

And I know it's already been said, but a 5 hr 26.2 isn't running, it's shuffling.
 
2012-10-23 10:51:31 AM  
The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?
 
2012-10-23 10:54:48 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: That's overweight?


Yea, quite obviously so. Possibly obese. Definitely beyond healthy, which is really the important point.

You shouldn't be proud of your flaws, and you should be ashamed of your flaws that you could fix but choose not to or choose to make worse. Not only is it absurd to be proud that you're damaging your health, but it diminishes the fact that some people actually do suffer from flaws outside their reasonable control. I'm out of shape because I don't exercise properly. I don't pretend it's okay because some people have actual degenerative diseases that prevent them from being fit and tone, and I certainly am not proud of my laziness or looking for other people to tell me it's okay that I'm lazy.

Being proud that you can't put down the Häagen-Dazs and greasy bucket of fried chicken is just laughably stupid.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:51 AM  

ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.


THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.
 
2012-10-23 10:57:02 AM  

astoreth: Because it doesn't work for everyone. I have overweight runner friends who have completed marathons and eat right, and they never lose the weight.


That's me. See above post. My best times were a 10 miler at an 8:54 / mile pace, a 20 miler at a 9:24 / mile overall pace, and the Boston Marathon at slightly over a 10:00 / mile pace (4:28:21). So while somewhat slow by distance runner standards, I'm nowhere near walking speed.

Gaseous Anomaly: Your body adjusts calories burned (via metabolic rates, energy levels, etc.) outside your conscious control, and usually does its damnedest to keep you from burning that fat. [snip] My personal experience: I could run a 500 cal/day deficit (leading to 1lb/week fat loss) by eating 1700 (counted) cal/day (so my body could only pull my energy expenditure down to 2200ish cal/day). (I of course gained all 50-odd pounds back after stopping calorie counting).


I was using MyFitnessPal.com to do the same for a while. It worked, but only after I made some adjustments with regard to the calories burned during exercise. I would go for a 30 mile bike ride and average 17 mph. If you add that into MyFittnessPal's exercise tracker it credits you with 2200 calories burned. But this only judges by weight and age, and not by base levels of fitness and efficiency. I wore a heart rate monitor and used that to calculate calories burned and several different sources put the amount around 1500 calories for me specifically instead. On top of that, you have to deduct 10% to account for net vs gross calories, which means I should only be credited with a 1350 calorie burn. That's almost 900 calories difference in the end.

What happened with my plateau at 200 pounds was that I could no longer cut calories and run the distances I wanted. I would get into 5 miles of a 10 mile run and bonk. So I could eat enough to fuel the runs, but my weight would only be maintained and not reduced. Or I could eat less, run less, and maybe lose more weight. But why? I was happier being 200 and running any distance I wanted.
 
2012-10-23 10:57:25 AM  
So, how long before I get cheers and accolades after I post a pic of my balding spot with a feisty diatribe on my FB?
 
2012-10-23 10:57:39 AM  

Vegan Meat Popsicle: This is my body. Not yours. MINE. Meaning the choices I make about it, are none of your f****** business. Meaning my size, IS NONE OF YOUR F****** BUSINESS.

Maybe if you don't want people commenting on the choices you make about your body you shouldn't actively parade it in front of tens of thousands of strangers.

And, no, it's not okay to celebrate being a fat-ass. It's one thing to point out that people shouldn't be stupidly obsessed with being thin, but you're not not just chubby, you're obese, and that's unhealthy. It's no better than people being proud to be ignorant. People view your body negatively because your body is a negative aspect of yourself because you keep it in an unhealthy state. You also seem to have a terrible personality and a persecution complex. Did people bully you over them too or did they develop separately?

You're just the whole package, aintcha?


I'm a little farked up maybe, but I'm fat how, I mean fat like I'm a cow, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to farkin' amuse you? What do you mean fat, fat how? How am I fat?
 
2012-10-23 10:58:52 AM  
Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.

csg time

I'm still a normal weight and have never been overweight, and I'm getting used to my new, different body. Can't be 'thin' anymore, but I lift weights and I'm strong and I'm happy. I suddenly gained around 30lb age 17, without a change in diet or exercise (I've always been a dancer). My mother always fed me very healthily and encouraged exercise because she is herself obese- she eats well, very little processed food, small portions, she's never lost the bulk, but that's a story for another day. I didn't think I'd ever be like her, and I hope I won't ever be, because I'm trying to stress exercise as part of my life and she never has. However, something happened to me that was not me suddenly stuffing 30lbs of burgers and cake into my mouth at age 17. That something was puberty, genetics, metabolism. I didn't become a glutton. I have never been a glutton.

/ tl;dr gaining weight doesn't mean you've decided to eat crap, calorie argument is way more complicated than farktrolls claim
// also, I got hella stretchmarks when I was 11. It's called puberty and it causes you to gain fat in areas like your breasts, bottom and hips. I was underweight at age 11, but I was growing tits.
 
2012-10-23 11:00:09 AM  

FarkinHostile: liam76:
I agree with yoru point that if you eat less and exercise more you will lose weight, but the types of food you eat and the exercises you do have an impact that make it more complicated than "calories in vs calories out".


No, it is not more complicated than calories in vs calories out on the most fundamental level. Does what you eat have an impact? Yes. Does how much/what kind of exercise have an impact? Sure. But when it comes down to it, if you intake 2000 calories a day and burn 3000, you WILL lose weight, period.

It is that simple. This isn't rocket surgery, folks.


It is that simple, but there is some nuance to it in as much as the types of foods and types of exercise you eat/do influence your ability to regulate the former and optimize the other. In other words, you are correct, but its misleading and not all that helpful for people who are trying to be healthy.

IF you eat low calorie foods that are high in fiber and protein, (or even just nutritionally balanced) over the course of your day, you are more likely to be able to keep your intake on target. If you eat a single hardees thickburger in the morning and blow your entire caloric intake in one sitting, you will probably fail.

IF you go to sleep at a normal time and don't stay up to watch TV, play games, surf the porn, you are less likely to munch, more likely to exercise and your overall mood will be better than had you stayed up late.

IF your workout routine has some interval cardio in it, you will maintain an elevated heart rate for considerably longer than a static cardio workout (and thus burn more calories)

IF your workout includes some resistance training, you will add muscle which will allow your latent mass to burn more calories throughout the day.

The point is that there are ways to make your body burn more calories and also ways to make you need/want to eat less. That matters.
 
2012-10-23 11:01:05 AM  

ZombiesYall: The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.


It does with some people. In a customer service setting I've had people make comments about everything from my skin (complimentary) to my weight and size (not so complimentary). I don't see why people do these things but it does happen, even if it doesn't happen to you.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:37 AM  
I like how she states she would never be thin. But she can if she tries at it longer then a week. Takes time to ser the changes, hardly ever see them overnight.
 
2012-10-23 11:08:46 AM  

Gaseous Anomaly: ChuDogg: Its very painful in the beginning but once the body's stomach shrinks down you quickly adapt. People who have trouble eating twice a day could probably be described as having food addiction, even of they are in shape and healthy.

THAT'S the point that the "put down the fork" contingent usually misses.

For me not to overeat, takes about the same amount of willpower as it would take for all of Fark to quit drinking.

I don't lack in generalized willpower. I can hold down a job just fine (as long as I can post on Fark during the workday). I can stay monogamous (admittedly I'm overweight and ugly). I can keep my finances in order (unfortunately thusly I can afford to overeat).

I COULD be skinny, in the same sense that Bill Clinton could be celibate, or Nancy Grace could be thoughtful and forgiving.


Dude, if you don't care, you don't care. You don't have to make excuses. The theme of the thread isn't that you need to justify your bad habits as part of your identity, it's that trying to justify quantitatively bad habits is more annoying than simply having them.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, that's bad. Now get over it." = fine. You're a normal dude with some bad behaviors. We've all got ours, they make life less of a waste of time.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, but it's big bones/an inalienable part of my character/because of society/because because because" = Jesus, stop whinging, you irredeemable wanker.

"Yeah, I'm overweight, and I'm PROUD. It is YOU, society, whose definition of 'healthy' is wrong. Science? Statistics? What are those." = please remove yourself from the gene pool at your earliest convenience, preferably before spawning.

I mean, I drink more than the optimum one a day (fun fact: less than one a day, also bad for you) and I only barely quit smoking. But I don't go around shouting my smoker's pride from the rooftops and telling kids that smoking being bad for you is an evil conspiracy fiction fabricate by THE MAN to keep the proud smoking race, who are the true paragons of health and attractiveness, down. Additionally, I willingly pay the price for my own dumbshiat teenager decision-making in the form of insurance premiums that balance against my increased health risks.
 
2012-10-23 11:10:04 AM  

WinoRhino: What happened with my plateau at 200 pounds was that I could no longer cut calories and run the distances I wanted. I would get into 5 miles of a 10 mile run and bonk. So I could eat enough to fuel the runs, but my weight would only be maintained and not reduced. Or I could eat less, run less, and maybe lose more weight. But why? I was happier being 200 and running any distance I wanted.


Probably your macros, actually. Or what you are eating.
 
2012-10-23 11:10:49 AM  

abhorrent1: This picture is for all the f****** stupid advertising agents who are selling us cream to get rid of our stretch marks, a perfectly normal thing most people have (I got mine during puberty)

Um, no. Most people do not have them. Only fatties and women who have had babies. Not 9-11 year-olds.


Far be it for me to question someone with a GED in Anatomy and Physiology, but I've had them since I was 12. Massive growth spurt= inguinal stretch marks.

/guy
//not fat
 
2012-10-23 11:12:28 AM  
i48.tinypic.com

Plus sized eye bleach.
 
2012-10-23 11:12:38 AM  

ZombiesYall: The thing all the "I'm fat and on the internet" AW chicks have in common is that they claim that strangers constantly come up to them and berate them for their weight. I have never heard of that happening to anyone in real life.

Also, the story makes no sense. She meets some guy on the street because she asks to take his picture, he says sure as long as he can take hers, they go somewhere private so she can take her clothes off for him, and now she's surprised it's on the internet? What the hell?


It really depends on the kinds of situations you're in. Someone who is a lot bigger than the norm in a particular situation will often get a comment or two- she mentioned horseriding, if she was bigger than the other girls then people may have felt the need to comment on that. Some people think saying 'you're heavier than most' is as harmless as saying 'wow, you're short' or 'wow, you don't look strong/fit enough to be doing that'*.
Also, some people are just dicks who want to impose their morals on strangers. If you have an outward 'flaw', they call you on it. I hate smoking, but I know people who walk up to strangers smoking and berate them. I can't imagine doing that. It's so rude!

Also, I think you've misunderstood the article. Humans of New York wanted to take her picture, took it, and she mentioned her blog. He went on her blog, and reposted her own picture of herself in a bikini rather than the picture he'd taken of her clothed during the day.

/* yes I'm projecting because I get comments like this all the time from strangers...
 
2012-10-23 11:13:06 AM  

sodomizer: serial_crusher: Just because being overweight has become the norm doesn't mean it should be celebrated.

It's a modern pastime to lower standards so that we all feel good about ourselves.

Yummy, warm fuzzies, to everyone. Now doesn't that just feel good?

This girl obviously was fatter; notice the stretch marks.

However, she is designed to be "big boned" (that's not your big bone, wanky internet losers). She has a bigger frame and is always going to be a bigger girl.

This has zero bearing on most people, who are fat because they spend too much time at their jobs and televisions/internets and not enough time, you know, walking around and experiencing actual life.


FYI, stretch marks only happen when you gain weight. You don't get stretch marks when you lose weight. I don't really want to judge the girl because she has issues, but the stretch marks are like ripping seams on a pair of trousers and there's no way to fully mask the marks once they occur without having them cut out with surgery (which is really unfortunate).

It's too bad she doesn't tout that she's tried healthier forms of weight loss. It's good that she's trying to love/accept herself. As much as everyone wants to reduce the issue to cal in/cal out and exercise, psychological issues are a significant component of obesity/overweight epidemic.
 
2012-10-23 11:13:49 AM  
My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".
 
2012-10-23 11:14:50 AM  

MarkEC: My wife has the opposite problem. She's constantly told by her doctor that she needs to put on some weight. She's taken radioactive Iodine to kill her thyroid and is on Synthroid, and just can't put on weight no matter how much she eats. She is constantly bombarded by people thinking they are complimenting her by saying "Oh you're so thin".


She needs to have her dosage changed.
 
2012-10-23 11:16:02 AM  

theoutlaw: Anyone who argues that fat people can always lose weight instantly by eating less food- the 'calories in should be lower than calories out and then you'll definitely lose weight DUH' argument- are either the luckiest people in the world or have never, ever, read about let alone followed a calorie-based diet regime. Your metabolism slowing down because it thinks you're starving is the most important thing. Chubby chicks moving from 2000 to 1500 calories a day might, depending on genetics, put ON weight rather than lose it. Calories are good and useful, but don't you dare act like there's nothing stopping fat people from dropping 40lb by skipping lunch.


No one's arguing they can lose weight instantly. Of course it takes work. But the girl from the article was fat since she was horse-back riding. Yes, it can take months or years to lose weight depending on the obesity, but this girl has had over a decade. It may be hard, but so is not drinking when you're an alcoholic. Both people can and should be judged for it when their actions negatively affect those around them.
 
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