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2012-10-23 01:15:06 PM

Nightsweat: hubiestubert: Plus, there's the savings that states can save on enforcement budgets.

Possibly offset by the loss of seized asset revenue.


Which oddly enough, seems to go to a lot of cops' pockets in the auction process. Legalization is a way to likewise clear out a decent amount of corruption. Likewise, the taxation and new entrepreneurs adding legal dollars into the economy, ending the need to hide revenue, will inject dollars into the economy, that can be actually used, as opposed to laundered. New revenue streams, curbing corruption, and a new cash crop and industries, legalization is something that this Conservative likes. Less need for an intrusive law enforcement, and increased entrepreneurship and industry. It WILL hit the prison industry, and it WILL hit paper and timber, which is why folks often oppose it. Not because it's a horrible drug, but because they really don't like competition...
 
2012-10-23 01:26:43 PM
Just follow the money. When Uncle Sam can figure out how to get the largest slice of the pie, this too shall pass.
 
2012-10-23 01:32:17 PM
Denver with pot?

sharetv.org

/Hot, baby.
 
2012-10-23 02:04:56 PM

Vodka Zombie: AbbeySomeone: 5 mill does get attention.


I don't understand why it's not treated along the same lines as beer.


Because Jesus.
 
2012-10-23 02:08:57 PM

ManRay: I went to visit my friends in Denver for a ski trip last winter. After giving me directions to their place, I was told about the tricky parking situation.

" Park anywhere on the street, but I advise you to not park near the pot dispensary unless you want your car to get hit."

Seems like potheads can't drive very well for some reason.



That's weird. I lived in Denver for four years and never had an issue with stoners hitting me, and I lived wedged beside one store and within a 2-block radius of three more.

To be honest, while it wasn't my drug of choice (I'm a beer snob) I loved living near a dispensery. The man and woman who ran the place were great, and they setup a bakery in the back so it was nice to wake up to the smell of freshly baked pastries and chocolates. Plus, there were two kinds of customers: the ones who were in & out and wouldn't even make eye-contact, and the other ones who were baked and just smiled and chatted with you.

The place used to be a run-down thrift store, so it was a nice improvement to the area.
 
2012-10-23 02:13:25 PM
wondering about the offset coming from slowly raised insurance rates as it's covered by medical... especially for insurance plans covered by the city/state.

The city has a budget over 2 BILLION/year.
$5mil doesn't even cover Denver's annual budget spent on blow out fancy events at the art museum.

Nothing against legalization, but the dispensaries and their financial backers are the ones making out. When I lived in Denver there were 4 dispensaries for every liquor store driving down Santa Fe... and those guys were making out like bandits. That money doesn't just come from nowhere, and it's not getting paid in cash over the counter. If you're going to treat it like liquor, then stop covering it with insurance so that there's not a false pricepoint for a false swelled purchaser. And anyone with a "stick it to the insurance companies!" mentality forgets- insurance companies don't lose... the more they spend the more they buffer their bets by.
 
2012-10-23 02:14:41 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: ManRay: I went to visit my friends in Denver for a ski trip last winter. After giving me directions to their place, I was told about the tricky parking situation.

" Park anywhere on the street, but I advise you to not park near the pot dispensary unless you want your car to get hit."

Seems like potheads can't drive very well for some reason.


That's weird. I lived in Denver for four years and never had an issue with stoners hitting me, and I lived wedged beside one store and within a 2-block radius of three more.

To be honest, while it wasn't my drug of choice (I'm a beer snob) I loved living near a dispensery. The man and woman who ran the place were great, and they setup a bakery in the back so it was nice to wake up to the smell of freshly baked pastries and chocolates. Plus, there were two kinds of customers: the ones who were in & out and wouldn't even make eye-contact, and the other ones who were baked and just smiled and chatted with you.

The place used to be a run-down thrift store, so it was a nice improvement to the area.


I worked at a dispensary in Fort Collins and most of our customers didn't even drive themselves in. They either biked or had someone else doing the driving.

Never so much as a fender bender in our parking lot.
 
2012-10-23 02:22:35 PM

scottydoesntknow: abfalter: I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

Ehh thousands of people drive high every day already, just like drunk drivers. Should it happen? No. But to be honest I would rather have stoned drivers than drunk ones. Paranoia can make stoned people drive pretty damn well.

/What's the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned one?
//Drunk drivers run red lights
///Stoned drivers stop at green lights


No. Stoned drivers wait for stop signs to turn green.

Some cop Farker is from Denver area? Cruiser12?
 
2012-10-23 02:28:12 PM

Girion47: EyeballKid: As a Kentuckian, I've been saying this for years. But, no, what would the "think-of-the-children" types do? Oh, wait, I know, 'cos they do the same things with that evil devil liquor. They refuse to sell it in their counties, but will happily take their cut of the revenues. And yet, I'm willing to be in favor of saving those jerk-offs.



/Legalize Louisville

Woohoo a fellow Louisvillain!!


Whats up with that place anyhow? I was on a cross country road trip a few years back and wanted to stop for a beer and some lunch on a f*cking Sunday. Yeah.
Dpn't remember where, just remember Kentucky and the attitude when we asked for a beer.

/safe on the Left Coast now.
 
2012-10-23 02:48:39 PM

AbbeySomeone: Some cop Farker is from Denver area? Cruiser12?


No kidding? CruiserTwelve is DPD? If that's the case, them I'm really surprised at the amount of rational thought and restraint he's shown in defending the police state.
 
2012-10-23 03:18:21 PM

radarlove: I worked at a dispensary in Fort Collins and most of our customers didn't even drive themselves in. They either biked or had someone else doing the driving.

Never so much as a fender bender in our parking lot.



I don't make the news, I just report it.

One interesting thing I noticed about Denver (besides good beer) is this:

In Atlanta, our free weekly newspaper's back pages are chock full of ads for massage parlors, gay chat lines and strip clubs. In Denver they have hardly any sex ads, just ones for pot.
 
2012-10-23 03:30:12 PM

AbbeySomeone: Girion47: EyeballKid: As a Kentuckian, I've been saying this for years. But, no, what would the "think-of-the-children" types do? Oh, wait, I know, 'cos they do the same things with that evil devil liquor. They refuse to sell it in their counties, but will happily take their cut of the revenues. And yet, I'm willing to be in favor of saving those jerk-offs.



/Legalize Louisville

Woohoo a fellow Louisvillain!!

Whats up with that place anyhow? I was on a cross country road trip a few years back and wanted to stop for a beer and some lunch on a f*cking Sunday. Yeah.
Dpn't remember where, just remember Kentucky and the attitude when we asked for a beer.

/safe on the Left Coast now.


The retarded baptist won't allow liquor sales before 1 pm on Sundays, something I'm planning on campaigning to change.
 
2012-10-23 04:03:39 PM

Girion47: AbbeySomeone: Girion47: EyeballKid: As a Kentuckian, I've been saying this for years. But, no, what would the "think-of-the-children" types do? Oh, wait, I know, 'cos they do the same things with that evil devil liquor. They refuse to sell it in their counties, but will happily take their cut of the revenues. And yet, I'm willing to be in favor of saving those jerk-offs.



/Legalize Louisville

Woohoo a fellow Louisvillain!!

Whats up with that place anyhow? I was on a cross country road trip a few years back and wanted to stop for a beer and some lunch on a f*cking Sunday. Yeah.
Dpn't remember where, just remember Kentucky and the attitude when we asked for a beer.

/safe on the Left Coast now.

The retarded baptist won't allow liquor sales before 1 pm on Sundays, something I'm planning on campaigning to change.


They didn't serve it all wherever we were. It was blazing hot and we'd been in a car for a few hours. This was in 2005. Nice old town with some sort of waterfront/river display thing.
 
2012-10-23 06:04:11 PM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Just follow the money. When Uncle Sam can figure out how to get the largest slice of the pie, this too shall pass.


Uncle Sam's employer has dibs.

i20.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 06:31:06 PM

AbbeySomeone: Girion47: AbbeySomeone: Girion47: EyeballKid: As a Kentuckian, I've been saying this for years. But, no, what would the "think-of-the-children" types do? Oh, wait, I know, 'cos they do the same things with that evil devil liquor. They refuse to sell it in their counties, but will happily take their cut of the revenues. And yet, I'm willing to be in favor of saving those jerk-offs.



/Legalize Louisville

Woohoo a fellow Louisvillain!!

Whats up with that place anyhow? I was on a cross country road trip a few years back and wanted to stop for a beer and some lunch on a f*cking Sunday. Yeah.
Dpn't remember where, just remember Kentucky and the attitude when we asked for a beer.

/safe on the Left Coast now.

The retarded baptist won't allow liquor sales before 1 pm on Sundays, something I'm planning on campaigning to change.

They didn't serve it all wherever we were. It was blazing hot and we'd been in a car for a few hours. This was in 2005. Nice old town with some sort of waterfront/river display thing.


It could have just been the restaurant you chose.
 
2012-10-23 06:47:34 PM
marijuana
 
2012-10-23 07:51:26 PM

SquiggsIN: And as soon as the prison systems figure out a way to make a lot of money from the manufacture of goods, we'll reintroduce slavery. Yay capitalism!


Uh. Yeah. About THAT . . .
 
2012-10-23 08:24:06 PM

Karma Curmudgeon: Rocky Mountain hiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggh, Colorado
Rocky Mountain hiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggh, Colorado


Spent the last year, Rocky Mountain way. Couldn't get much higher.
 
2012-10-23 08:46:54 PM

giantpiraterobot: The city has a budget over 2 BILLION/year.
$5mil doesn't even cover Denver's annual budget spent on blow out fancy events at the art museum.



The 5 million is in addition tot he money they didn't have to spend on a legal system to arrest , prosecute and hold people for it.
 
2012-10-24 04:15:38 PM
Sorry FArkers but here comes the economcs:

The production cost of marijuana is on the order of 23 cents a pound, not even that much if foreign labor is used. In Cambodia where it is legal, a 1--ounce bag of prime stuff goes for $1 at Pnom Penh airport, but that's the only place you can buy it! Thai sticks are 1 to 5 cents in the countryside, higher in town but the roads are so bad the savings aren't worth the wear and tear on your car.

If "pot" becomes legal, the price collapses, and if it carries a high tax the home--growers will have a field day.

A similar measure was floated in California and the growers fought it tooth and fang.
 
2012-10-24 04:25:02 PM
DRTFA - I don't know if y'all are aware that Amendment 64 continues the non-taxation of MMJ. I know lots of folks that have their MMJ because they have "migrains" (Boulder County). Easy as pie to get, and non-taxable. I suspect that the revenue they anticipate is just silly.
 
2012-10-24 04:37:26 PM

Sugarloafer: DRTFA - I don't know if y'all are aware that Amendment 64 continues the non-taxation of MMJ. I know lots of folks that have their MMJ because they have "migrains" (Boulder County). Easy as pie to get, and non-taxable. I suspect that the revenue they anticipate is just silly.


Well, either you're wrong or the article is wrong, since the article claims it's already being taxed and raking in money for the state:

FTFA: On Sunday, Colorado's top tax enforcer told CBS's '60 Minutes' that the tax revenue from medical marijuana saved Denver from the recession. In the interview, former drug cop Matt Cook also pointed out that over a million square feet of space had been leased by the industry, providing work for a number of ancillary workers like electrical contractors.

Although medical marijuana was legalized in the state in 2000, the industry grew haphazardly. Cook helped change that by crafting a new law in 2010 that aimed to make medical marijuana a respectable business through regulation. In 2011, the state tax revenue on the substance amounted to $5 million.
 
2012-10-24 07:47:24 PM

olddinosaur: In Cambodia where it is legal,


What? It's legal anywhere in the world?
 
2012-10-24 07:51:45 PM

WeenerGord: olddinosaur: In Cambodia where it is legal,

What? It's legal anywhere in the world?


But if you went to Cambodia for weed tourism, the Feds would lock you up for life when you got back right?
 
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