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2012-10-23 08:02:26 AM  
5 mill does get attention.
 
2012-10-23 09:11:41 AM  

AbbeySomeone: 5 mill does get attention.


And that's just in one city. Imagine it on a statewide or national level. You might be looking at upwards of twenty billion or more in new revenue nationwide.

I don't understand why it's not treated along the same lines as beer. There should be mass producers, safe distribution and sale, and accommodations for home growers and personal use. Prohibition is doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done, and the only people making money off it now is an increasingly privatized prison system. That money should be going to state and federal needs.
 
2012-10-23 09:33:21 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I don't understand why it's not treated along the same lines as beer. There should be mass producers, safe distribution and sale, and accommodations for home growers and personal use.


It's not far from this in Denver now. If you have a medical card, which isn't too difficult to acquire, you can go to any one of hundred of shops and buy some pot. Most of it has been tested for chemical makeup and much of it is certified 'organic'. You can put it on your list of errands for the day and stop by whenever its convenient.

And incredibly, the city is still standing.
 
2012-10-23 09:37:11 AM  

Vodka Zombie: Prohibition is doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done, and the only people making money off it now is an increasingly privatized prison system.


Don't forget the politicians who support private prison
And big pharma
And the gangs/cartels
And the DEA/LEOs
 
2012-10-23 09:43:56 AM  
In 2011, the state tax revenue on the substance amounted to $5 million. Sales tax revenue for both state and local governments stands to mushroom further after the November election if voters approve Amendment 24, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act.

Sees what the author did there.
 
2012-10-23 09:49:35 AM  
Plus, there's the savings that states can save on enforcement budgets.
 
2012-10-23 10:05:47 AM  

Vodka Zombie: AbbeySomeone: 5 mill does get attention.

And that's just in one city. Imagine it on a statewide or national level. You might be looking at upwards of twenty billion or more in new revenue nationwide.

I don't understand why it's not treated along the same lines as beer. There should be mass producers, safe distribution and sale, and accommodations for home growers and personal use. Prohibition is doing the exact opposite of what needs to be done, and the only people making money off it now is an increasingly privatized prison system. That money should be going to state and federal needs.


Prison systems should not be privatized, either. What a stupid, stupid thing to do. We've already seen judges bribed into sending more people to prison, including children. The investors of private prisons make more money with more prisoners - so we're incentivizing incarceration.

And as soon as the prison systems figure out a way to make a lot of money from the manufacture of goods, we'll reintroduce slavery. Yay capitalism!
 
2012-10-23 10:08:20 AM  
it saved Denver. but what about Aurora
 
2012-10-23 10:14:16 AM  
Rocky Mountain hiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggh, Colorado
Rocky Mountain hiiiiiiiiiiiiggggggh, Colorado
 
2012-10-23 10:14:33 AM  
As a Kentuckian, I've been saying this for years. But, no, what would the "think-of-the-children" types do? Oh, wait, I know, 'cos they do the same things with that evil devil liquor. They refuse to sell it in their counties, but will happily take their cut of the revenues. And yet, I'm willing to be in favor of saving those jerk-offs.



/Legalize Louisville
 
2012-10-23 10:14:53 AM  
The solution: more taxes.

Not cut the waste, or stop subsidizing failing programs and broken individuals.

More taxes.

Brilliant.
 
2012-10-23 10:15:10 AM  
We'll never be serious about this. Americans are too immature and the alcohol lobby too powerful.

THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!! FOR GOD'S SAKE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!
 
2012-10-23 10:15:56 AM  

hubiestubert: Plus, there's the savings that states can save on enforcement budgets.


Possibly offset by the loss of seized asset revenue.
 
2012-10-23 10:19:37 AM  
Its the largest cash crop in the entire country that essentially is completely tax free.

I recall them saying at one point the MJ industry is a several billion dollar a year industry.

5 million is peanuts. But I guess those billions are weighed against the billions made keeping it illegal. Lawyers, fines, court costs, police asset seizures, the vast federal agencies whose primary funding comes from interdiction.

The public implications are great but the implications to the surveillance and police state is something they aren't going to just give up. Thats several million americans they can currently intimidate and control by holding MJ laws over their heads.
 
2012-10-23 10:23:02 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: it saved Denver. but what about Aurora


I assume this might be some sort of Batman trolling, but let me tell you, as someone who lives 8 miles from that theatre on the Denver side... Nothing could save Aurora, ever. We'd have to wipe that slate clean and start over.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:54 AM  
The HBO show, Boardwalk Empire, does a nice job of presenting the parallels between the foolish drug war and the equally foolish alcohol war that led to prohibition. Prohibition did nothing but empower criminal gangs (and criminal politicians) while making them rich beyond their dreams. Since the only producers of alcohol (in America) were criminals, they mixed it with everything from rubbing alcohol to detergents and Americans still bought it, at their own peril.

The War on Drugs is no different. It's done nothing but empower criminal organizations, criminal politicians, and put the American people in danger.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"
 
2012-10-23 10:25:20 AM  
I think it's only a matter of time before legalization happens.

I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

But somewhere this is going to be freely legal. And taxes. And then others will get the smell of money coming in. Eventually you'll be able to buy it at WalMart.
 
2012-10-23 10:26:00 AM  
someone think of the drug cartels. They will get robbed out of there best seller. We cant have that.
 
2012-10-23 10:27:59 AM  
And yet, here in L.A. they want to shut all the dispensaries down. Thankfully it was stopped but I don't know what the next step is. Still, the pot shops around me are open.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:48 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Pot saved Denver?

/horrible, I know
 
2012-10-23 10:29:35 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: And incredibly, the city is still standing.


Mostly just sleeping on the couch and eating Cheetos though...
 
2012-10-23 10:32:22 AM  
Someone think of the Police State. Oh sorry, I mean State Police.
///dyslexic
 
2012-10-23 10:33:57 AM  

abfalter: I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.


Ehh thousands of people drive high every day already, just like drunk drivers. Should it happen? No. But to be honest I would rather have stoned drivers than drunk ones. Paranoia can make stoned people drive pretty damn well.

/What's the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned one?
//Drunk drivers run red lights
///Stoned drivers stop at green lights
 
2012-10-23 10:35:29 AM  

abfalter: I think it's only a matter of time before legalization happens.

I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

But somewhere this is going to be freely legal. And taxes. And then others will get the smell of money coming in. Eventually you'll be able to buy it at WalMart.


I see the driving argument all the time. People are high on the road right now. there are laws against it and yet it happens everyday / all day. Would it increase the amount of high drivers ? perhaps but the numbers of folks who use MJ have been pretty steady over the years. Spain did not see a huge increase in drug users when they legalized.

Personally I am more worried about the folks on prescriptions out on the road, those folks don't think they are doing anything wrong and don't drive like they are breaking the law.
 
2012-10-23 10:40:24 AM  

abfalter: I think it's only a matter of time before legalization happens.

I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

But somewhere this is going to be freely legal. And taxes. And then others will get the smell of money coming in. Eventually you'll be able to buy it at WalMart.


I believe I'll see it in my lifetime (I'm 31). Most people, except for the chicken little types, don't see it as bad. ESPECIALLY the younger generation. Hell, most of my dark red family members and co-workers don't care.

"What's everyones opinions on legalizing pot?"

"WHO CARES ABOUT POT!! LEGALIZE IT!! LET THE GODLESS HIPPIES SMOKE ALL THEY WANT!!! WE HAVE MORE PRESSING MATTERS!!! THERE'S A MOOSLIM COMMIE TRAITOR IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!"

*sigh followed by massive eyeroll*
 
2012-10-23 10:41:35 AM  

abfalter: I think it's only a matter of time before legalization happens.

I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

But somewhere this is going to be freely legal. And taxes. And then others will get the smell of money coming in. Eventually you'll be able to buy it at WalMart.


Didn't California go through something recently where they were going to snuff the repositories because they were so unregulated? Not, you know, regulate them but instead propose to can them all together because, "oh well, we tried that one, hippies. This is why we can't have nice things."
 
2012-10-23 10:42:59 AM  
Obama will stand for none of this.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:05 AM  

Vodka Zombie: I don't understand why it's not treated along the same lines as beer. There should be mass producers, safe distribution and sale, and accommodations for home growers and personal use


And the mass producers should be ridculed by weed snobs who post pictures of their home grow or special micro-grow favorites.


/seriously though I have never touched and fully support treating it like alcohol.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:45 AM  

mortimer_ford: abfalter: I think it's only a matter of time before legalization happens.

I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

But somewhere this is going to be freely legal. And taxes. And then others will get the smell of money coming in. Eventually you'll be able to buy it at WalMart.

Didn't California go through something recently where they were going to snuff the repositories because they were so unregulated? Not, you know, regulate them but instead propose to can them all together because, "oh well, we tried that one, hippies. This is why we can't have nice things."


They closed down every.single.dispensary here in San Diego County. Delivery services are still plentiful though.
 
2012-10-23 10:50:04 AM  
I guess individual rights and freedom don't matter one whit to politicians and bureaucrats, so the only way to get them to be a bit less violent is to entice them with $weet $weet revenue.
 
2012-10-23 10:52:35 AM  

Novart: mortimer_ford: abfalter: I think it's only a matter of time before legalization happens.

I don't use it. I don't plan to. And I have some vague concerns about adding high-drivers to the roads since we already have drunk-drivers. But laws can handle that problem.

But somewhere this is going to be freely legal. And taxes. And then others will get the smell of money coming in. Eventually you'll be able to buy it at WalMart.

Didn't California go through something recently where they were going to snuff the repositories because they were so unregulated? Not, you know, regulate them but instead propose to can them all together because, "oh well, we tried that one, hippies. This is why we can't have nice things."

They closed down every.single.dispensary here in San Diego County. Delivery services are still plentiful though.


Being so close to the border I would think that they would.
 
2012-10-23 10:53:37 AM  
I went to visit my friends in Denver for a ski trip last winter. After giving me directions to their place, I was told about the tricky parking situation.

" Park anywhere on the street, but I advise you to not park near the pot dispensary unless you want your car to get hit."

Seems like potheads can't drive very well for some reason.
 
2012-10-23 10:58:19 AM  
Only Mexicans and jazz musicians smoke dope. And we all know none of them pay taxes.
 
2012-10-23 11:08:59 AM  
This is where we need to root for joe biden to come out in support of legalization, in order to once again force the administration's hand. That Trans-Am would be as good as bought.
 
2012-10-23 11:11:30 AM  
scottydoesntknow
you screwed up the joke, it's:

How do you tell the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned driver?

The drunk driver runs thru the stop sign
the stoned driver waits for it to turn green


/thanks i'll be here all evening
 
2012-10-23 11:15:41 AM  

IAMBOB: scottydoesntknow
you screwed up the joke, it's:

How do you tell the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned driver?

The drunk driver runs thru the stop sign
the stoned driver waits for it to turn green


/thanks i'll be here all evening


in reality. the drunk driver stops at the stop sign
the stoned driver stops at the stop sign.
 
2012-10-23 11:21:44 AM  

jaylectricity: In 2011, the state tax revenue on the substance amounted to $5 million. Sales tax revenue for both state and local governments stands to mushroom further after the November election if voters approve Amendment 24, the Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol Act.

Sees what the author did there.


yeah.. saw that and laughed myself.
 
2012-10-23 11:21:48 AM  

rabidarmadillo24: This is where we need to root for joe biden to come out in support of legalization, in order to once again force the administration's hand. That Trans-Am would be as good as bought.


But it would smell awfully funny. How many skunks did you run over in this thing?
 
2012-10-23 11:23:11 AM  

EyeballKid: rabidarmadillo24: This is where we need to root for joe biden to come out in support of legalization, in order to once again force the administration's hand. That Trans-Am would be as good as bought.

But it would smell awfully funny. How many skunks did you run over in this thing?


it doesn't matter. it's not like he's actually gonna get to drive it. they're just gonna rape a picture and then sell the bastard
 
2012-10-23 11:32:51 AM  

ManRay: I went to visit my friends in Denver for a ski trip last winter. After giving me directions to their place, I was told about the tricky parking situation.

" Park anywhere on the street, but I advise you to not park near the pot dispensary unless you want your car to get hit."

Seems like potheads can't drive very well for some reason.


Those are epileptics. They're fine once they've been inside.
 
2012-10-23 11:38:07 AM  

Sleeping Monkey: The HBO show, Boardwalk Empire, does a nice job of presenting the parallels between the foolish drug war and the equally foolish alcohol war that led to prohibition. Prohibition did nothing but empower criminal gangs (and criminal politicians) while making them rich beyond their dreams. Since the only producers of alcohol (in America) were criminals, they mixed it with everything from rubbing alcohol to detergents and Americans still bought it, at their own peril.

The War on Drugs is no different. It's done nothing but empower criminal organizations, criminal politicians, and put the American people in danger.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"


You would be wrongly assuming that there was some mistake in criminalizing a substance to produce a revenue source. The criminals(Anslinger, Hearst, et.al.) that staked pot out as "theirs, not yours" did and got exactly what they wanted. Big cotton, not Big Hemp. Big Timber not Big Hemp. Funding for the Drug Czar. Funding for local police states. PROFIT from enforcement as a business plan. All wraped up in a phoney "think of the children and white wimmins".
The public is the forgetful, attention span challenged one here, as usual.
 
2012-10-23 11:38:53 AM  

EyeballKid: rabidarmadillo24: This is where we need to root for joe biden to come out in support of legalization, in order to once again force the administration's hand. That Trans-Am would be as good as bought.

But it would smell awfully funny. How many skunks did you run over in this thing?


Haha my buddy broke his leg while skiing one time. Tried to do a jump got his ski stuck in a root and flew leg first into a tree, pretty nasty stuff. As we were waiting for the medic we ask if he needs anything he says "take the weed out of my pocket!" so my buddy grabs it. The medic arrives and as he's strapping him to the gourney, he says "man you stink". In a pain daze, my buddy goes "I hit a skunk with my skis on the way down!" The medic just looked at us and laughed.
 
2012-10-23 11:58:35 AM  
Vodka Zombie: "I don't understand why it's not treated along the same lines as beer."

It ain't a secret: the power of the profit-motivated lobbyists continues to trump social demand for change.
 
2012-10-23 12:06:16 PM  

scottydoesntknow: /What's the difference between a drunk driver and a stoned one?
//Drunk drivers run red lights
///Stoned drivers stop at green lights


Haha! What was the name of the comedian who said that when he drove high he was checking his mirrors, his blind spot, both hands on the wheel, 10 and 2, etc.
 
2012-10-23 12:14:01 PM  

ringersol: It ain't a secret: the power of the profit-motivated lobbyists continues to trump social demand for change.


The hilarious part? People seem to think demanding this will change anything about how profit-motivated lobbies handle things. Ever noticed the price of a pack of cigarettes?

Six million tends to get attention, sure. Don't think it won't catch the attention of the same people you're claiming are stymieing legalization. Don't think for a moment that they care exactly where those obscene profits come from.
 
2012-10-23 12:39:46 PM  

bdub77: Prison systems should not be privatized, either. What a stupid, stupid thing to do. We've already seen judges bribed into sending more people to prison, including children. The investors of private prisons make more money with more prisoners - so we're incentivizing incarceration.

And as soon as the prison systems figure out a way to make a lot of money from the manufacture of goods, we'll reintroduce slavery. Yay capitalism!



Yes, yes, very bad. But you don't think that Apple is going to bring those iPhone factories back to unionized labor, do you?
 
2012-10-23 12:58:56 PM  

EyeballKid: As a Kentuckian, I've been saying this for years. But, no, what would the "think-of-the-children" types do? Oh, wait, I know, 'cos they do the same things with that evil devil liquor. They refuse to sell it in their counties, but will happily take their cut of the revenues. And yet, I'm willing to be in favor of saving those jerk-offs.



/Legalize Louisville


Woohoo a fellow Louisvillain!!
 
2012-10-23 01:01:24 PM  

sodomizer: The solution: more taxes allowing a new industry.

Not cut the waste, or stop subsidizing failing programs and broken individuals.

More taxes Allowing a new industry.

Brilliant.


Well, it's brilliant once the derp is changed to something sensible. 

/doesn't prevent the cutting of waste or an end to subsidies for failing programs. It's not like their mutually exclusive ideas.
 
2012-10-23 01:15:06 PM  

Nightsweat: hubiestubert: Plus, there's the savings that states can save on enforcement budgets.

Possibly offset by the loss of seized asset revenue.


Which oddly enough, seems to go to a lot of cops' pockets in the auction process. Legalization is a way to likewise clear out a decent amount of corruption. Likewise, the taxation and new entrepreneurs adding legal dollars into the economy, ending the need to hide revenue, will inject dollars into the economy, that can be actually used, as opposed to laundered. New revenue streams, curbing corruption, and a new cash crop and industries, legalization is something that this Conservative likes. Less need for an intrusive law enforcement, and increased entrepreneurship and industry. It WILL hit the prison industry, and it WILL hit paper and timber, which is why folks often oppose it. Not because it's a horrible drug, but because they really don't like competition...
 
2012-10-23 01:26:43 PM  
Just follow the money. When Uncle Sam can figure out how to get the largest slice of the pie, this too shall pass.
 
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