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2012-10-23 06:35:24 PM
3 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because a lot of people are poor as shiat and can't afford to shop anywhere else.
2012-10-23 01:30:48 PM
3 votes:

Beerguy: I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.


It's not even that much more money. The way I see it, it's an investment in sanity. Better to spend a few extra bucks and just avoid the screeching crotchfruit and muffin-top skanks entirely. I'm not even a snob - all I know is that whenever I go to Wal-Mart, my blood pressure rises. Why do that to yourself to save a few bucks?
2012-10-24 06:45:22 AM
2 votes:
The poverty line is the invisible line between Target and Walmart.
2012-10-23 11:22:30 PM
2 votes:
because all the nice little stores in town closed up shortly after they heard a wal-mart was being built. there is almost no where else to shop. still try not to buy there. very poor quality throughout. a lot of the people at wal-mart are scary as hell.
2012-10-23 09:03:53 PM
2 votes:

RickyWilliams'sBong: I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.


Yet strangely in Britain the WalMart subsidiary Asda treats its workers well, has no problems with unions, and in my experience is as enjoyable place to shop as a huge superstore can be. The Asda staff, almost always, are are friendly and helpful. And even the store managers help stack the shelves in my local store.

/Of course they don't have to worry about providing health cover....
2012-10-23 08:43:15 PM
2 votes:
When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?

We don't expect them to be non-profit. However we expect them to make the profit from their volume of sales, not by wringing out their employees. A recent study showed that they could pay their store workers $10/hour and supply health insurance for a cost of 50 cents/order (that's order, not item). Not doing so is just a dick move. We have a Fred Meyers and a Walmart in our town. Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices. The only people who shop at Walmart are the military people who are familiar with it and not Fred's.
2012-10-23 07:14:13 PM
2 votes:

Mike Chewbacca: But the comment was about the working CONDITIONS, not the work itself. Having to get in early, leave late, and skip lunch is illegal for a reason.


I tended bar for many years, often in 12 hour shifts. LOL at "lunch (or meal) breaks." My first gig outside the business came with a fairly lengthy lunch break and I remember not knowing what to do with myself the first few days. You mean I can leave and just go fark around for 45 minutes? Why don't I just stay here and keep working? It had been years since I didn't bust my ass for 8-12 hours straight without even sitting down and catching a breath.
2012-10-23 06:21:04 PM
2 votes:

DarkSoulNoHope: HotIgneous Intruder: The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it.

You almost got me to bite, until I saw that! :)


You need to check into DISTRIBUTION CENTER jobs and the descriptions thereof.
Until you do, you're just an ignorant farkworm and talking out of you ass.

Hint: Google it.
2012-10-23 03:52:30 PM
2 votes:
I prefer Dollar General. I don't have to det all dressed up like I'm going to Wal Mart.
2012-10-23 03:45:21 PM
2 votes:
Last time I stepped foot in Wal-Mart was to spend some gift cards that we got as a wedding present...

That was 5 years ago. I have sat in the parking lot, that is it. I get my food at a grocery store, clothes at a clothing store. Do a lot of online shopping for most everything else.

I also live in rural Appalachia. If I can do it, anybody can.

Sure, It might cost me an extra couple of bucks a month...but I can save that in other areas of my life if I need to.
2012-10-23 03:04:38 PM
2 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.
2012-10-23 01:02:29 PM
2 votes:
I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.
2012-10-23 12:01:03 PM
2 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


The same reason people still watch Leno? Habit and a general acceptance of mediocrity in their lives?
2012-10-24 03:16:00 PM
1 votes:

TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take


It is stupid to think that people who work 40 hours a week should be able to afford food, housing, transportation, child care, and health care without relying on the government to pick up the slack for private industry? Wow, that totally makes sense.
2012-10-24 02:50:54 PM
1 votes:

moothemagiccow: iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.

sounds like a poor strategy when sam's club and costco exist


There isn't a Sam's club in town and I think it's owned by Walmart anyway. We are Costco members but they only carry cases of one quart oil - more bottle opening and price isn't better-, usually only two kinds total, and don't have ATF, brake fluid, or distilled water. We usually stock three weights of Castrol including the hard to find 20/50. We do rely on Costco for paper towels and nitrile gloves, and other business (printer ink, toilet paper...) and household essentials (detergent, eggs, butter...).
I would like to point out that running a business is no different from running a household. I think maybe some people will think Oh, for a small business making an ethical compromise makes financial sense. How is running a household any different? Food for thought.
2012-10-24 01:08:38 PM
1 votes:

k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.


Here's what I don't get, why do people who can't stand the fact that other people are on government support, have no issue with Wal-Mart having the largest percentage of workers on government aid? Perhaps if they had better business practices, then their workers would be able to afford to work and live without using the government as a supplement to their income?
2012-10-24 12:31:47 PM
1 votes:

k1j2b3: I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.


Don't try and make this a partisan thing. I lean pretty far left and I am all for Walmart here, if you signed up for Part time pay and benefits and hours then that's what you get complaining later is a "sucks to be you".
2012-10-24 12:13:37 PM
1 votes:
I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.
2012-10-24 07:08:38 AM
1 votes:

Mid_mo_mad_man: Hate to break it to you but Wal-Mart pays sick time and gives vacation time. And provides insurance. One shouldn't expect to start at 10$*an hour stocking shelves. I have work 14+ years for the company and never been denied breaks/lunch in fact I've had to discipline people for skipping their lunches


Just about everyone in this thread seems to not understand the difference between a Walmart store shelf stocker and a Walmart distribution center worker. These are Walmart stores. These are Walmart distribution centers
They are completely different places and the jobs in them are nothing alike.
2012-10-24 07:01:17 AM
1 votes:
And remember, it's a temp job contractor that runs the labor pool in that warehouse, NOT Walmart.
Sucks to be them; any and all of them.
There's a reason regular Walmart distribution center workers are paid so highly and get benefits and etc. Nobody but the desperate would do work that hard to $10/hr. with not benefits except being alive at the end of their shift.
2012-10-24 06:58:56 AM
1 votes:

sethstorm: The problem is that temporary agencies are designed against the worker, not for them. They provide an insulation between the business and the worker in a way best described as an employer-side labor union. The ironic thing is that even in RTW states, you are required to join these agencies as a condition of accepting/continuing work.


Well of course.
But people who work through temp agencies usually have no more options left because the HR culture has shut them out of regular for whatever arbitrary or legitimate reasons.
Temping is the new slavery.
HBK
2012-10-24 03:37:20 AM
1 votes:

TomD9938: HBK: The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.

As in, fewer than you expected?


I was flabbergasted that there were so many. I expect that Walmart to start building overpasses to alleviate the traffic. The local Rascal dealership probably does better than the car dealerships.
HBK
2012-10-24 03:23:22 AM
1 votes:
Last time I was in a Walmart was in Durant, OK. Per the clerk at the liquor store, the stupid state's law doesn't allow liquor stores to sell mixers, so you have to go elsewhere. I didn't want to drive around that shiathole town any more than I needed to, so I succumbed and went to Walmart.

The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.
2012-10-23 11:29:01 PM
1 votes:

roc6783: ///Also, it would be nice if Wal-Mart stopped relying on the government to provide for their employees.


Soon, they'll be relying on the government to force their striking employees back to work.
2012-10-23 11:14:33 PM
1 votes:
I did a stint at walmart in Kentucky. City of Madisonville. Walmart was the only one left to work at. It was either that or Gentron (making freezer doors for walmart), GE (military clearance required) or the coal mines.
didn't pay too bad ($9.50/hr to start).

my house rental was $250/month so it didn't take much to survive there.

Avg home price was 20k for a 4 br, 60k new.

/I worked third shift. I hardly never saw another human.
2012-10-23 10:14:30 PM
1 votes:

China White Tea: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.


Why not shop somewhere that isn't a farking tumor on the economy?
2012-10-23 09:43:07 PM
1 votes:
I shop at Target because the girls there are hotter.
2012-10-23 09:18:17 PM
1 votes:

Flint Ironstag: RickyWilliams'sBong: I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.

Yet strangely in Britain the WalMart subsidiary Asda treats its workers well, has no problems with unions, and in my experience is as enjoyable place to shop as a huge superstore can be. The Asda staff, almost always, are are friendly and helpful. And even the store managers help stack the shelves in my local store.

/Of course they don't have to worry about providing health cover....


True, but Tesco beat them to the white trash market.
2012-10-23 08:36:44 PM
1 votes:
MyPoolLeaks National grocery chains are maybe a quarter-step up from Wal-Mart in how they treat their employees.

/worked at Kroger through high school


Kroger treated my wife pretty good through 2-1/2 rounds of cancer.

thx Fred Meyer
2012-10-23 07:48:24 PM
1 votes:

degenerate-afro: I don't shop at Target, Wal-Mart, K-mart, Sears, Macys, JC Penny, or any other large retailer. Why bother Amazon (American slave labor) and Buy.com (Chinese/Japanese slave labor) ship that crap right to my door.

As for food, I just shop at local places. No Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Wegmans or crap like that. Just regular ol' regional grocery stores. Although national grocery chains tend to be much better to their employees than national retail chains for some reason. I've heard nothing but good things from people who have worked at Wegmans and Whole Foods.


National grocery chains are maybe a quarter-step up from Wal-Mart in how they treat their employees.

/worked at Kroger through high school
2012-10-23 07:44:10 PM
1 votes:
For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.
2012-10-23 07:40:45 PM
1 votes:

shivand1: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.


I'll never forget the first time I went shopping at a 24 Hour Wal-Mart late at night. Roommate and I at college got all drunkened up and decided we desperately needed Hot Pockets or whatever at like 2 in the morning. We we drive to Wal-Mart, and there are like 50 shoppers in the place. Mom and a couple kids with a cart full of groceries. Someone trying to decide what lamp to buy.

Blew my mind. Could not figure out what these people were doing there at that hour.
2012-10-23 06:41:44 PM
1 votes:
I only go to wally mart if its an emergency, like last month when a fan died ( we dont have air conditioning ) and it was after ten so the target was closed and the wally world the next valley over was still open.Oh, yes, at 2300 hrs it was over 90 here so ..... fan purchased and the person who really needed it didnt die from the heat.
2012-10-23 06:00:07 PM
1 votes:

fustanella: cman: Why do people still shop there?

'Cause 'Murrica! *salutes robotically*


Uh no.
Try "Because people like to save money," and you'll be close to the truth.
Also, a Sam's Club membership will pay for itself in gasoline price savings alone across a year's time.
Call them evil or whatever, but all Walmart ever did was find efficiencies where other big-boxers and national chains did not.

/I realize there are people who are programmed to fight all things Walmart with every fiber of their being, but don't bother coming at me, 'cause it's a waste of your time.

Distribution center jobs, all of them, are hard, hard work. The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it. There are strength and agility screening tests to get those jobs, unlike the open admissions requirements to the ideological bodegas of Whole Paycheck Foods and etc.
2012-10-23 05:08:37 PM
1 votes:

basemetal: a contingent of workers called OUR Walmart that is trying to speak out about what it says are tough working conditions.

Meh, I did some time in a WalMart, it was not hard (or tough) work.


But the comment was about the working CONDITIONS, not the work itself. Having to get in early, leave late, and skip lunch is illegal for a reason.
2012-10-23 04:18:39 PM
1 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because it is often the cheapest place to shop at, and for many people, price is the only index that concerns them. Quality and durability of product, cleanliness and efficiency of the store just don't matter as much.
2012-10-23 04:12:22 PM
1 votes:
because sometimes you have to replace a farking battery at 9 pm

that sucked, that really sucked
2012-10-23 04:03:04 PM
1 votes:

Beerguy: dickfreckle: Beerguy: I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.

It's not even that much more money. The way I see it, it's an investment in sanity. Better to spend a few extra bucks and just avoid the screeching crotchfruit and muffin-top skanks entirely. I'm not even a snob - all I know is that whenever I go to Wal-Mart, my blood pressure rises. Why do that to yourself to save a few bucks?

Exactly.


This.

You have to put a value on your time, and your comfort. Here in Houston, every Walmart is a roach motel. There is a Walmart down the street from my house, and I refuse to go anywhere near that place. I'll drive the extra 15 minutes to Whole Foods, or even the "fancy" HEB in the Heights.

Why are there 50 farking registers and they only have 5 open?

There are times I'd wish Walmart would just go away, but then that would mean all of the 19 year old girls with 5 kids, two of which are screaming at the top of their lungs, would start shopping at the nicer places...then I just shut my mouth about it.
2012-10-23 04:02:20 PM
1 votes:
I am trying to fight Walmart from muscling it's way into my community, so I'm getting a kick.

/until Walmart pays off the right politicians
2012-10-23 03:49:25 PM
1 votes:
I go to Wal-Mart and the reason, in the area I live it is the only store within 30 miles other than a food lion, tractor supply company, cvs and few dollar tree,general, store stores. It is a rather small wal-mart.

it just isn't practical to drive my alzheimer's affected mother 30 miles to a store when she has no clue what she is looking for. it sucks but where else can I go.
2012-10-23 03:32:51 PM
1 votes:
From now on, I am actively boycotting Wal-Mart for their terrible labor and anti-competitive practices.

~Posted from Target on my iPhone5


///Also, it would be nice if Wal-Mart stopped relying on the government to provide for their employees.
2012-10-23 03:23:50 PM
1 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


It's cheap, probably cause they don't pay their employees.
2012-10-23 03:16:10 PM
1 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.
2012-10-23 03:06:24 PM
1 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because the modem in the $199 computer they bought from Walmart a year ago broke and they can't dial up AOL to access amazon.com.
2012-10-23 12:33:10 PM
1 votes:
There is no better place on earth to see "zero farks given" at every level than a WalMart
2012-10-23 11:45:34 AM
1 votes:

cman: Why do people still shop there?


I honestly don't know. I stopped shopping at Wal-Mart about a decade ago; the only time I go anymore is when my dad sends me a gift card (because hell, the money is already spent).
2012-10-23 11:22:28 AM
1 votes:
a contingent of workers called OUR Walmart that is trying to speak out about what it says are tough working conditions.

Meh, I did some time in a WalMart, it was not hard (or tough) work.
 
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