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2012-10-23 08:44:35 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


It literally is the closest place to the house.
 
2012-10-23 08:45:11 PM

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: MyPoolLeaks National grocery chains are maybe a quarter-step up from Wal-Mart in how they treat their employees.

/worked at Kroger through high school

Kroger treated my wife pretty good through 2-1/2 rounds of cancer.

thx Fred Meyer


Same here.
 
2012-10-23 08:57:48 PM
I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.
 
2012-10-23 09:03:53 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.


Yet strangely in Britain the WalMart subsidiary Asda treats its workers well, has no problems with unions, and in my experience is as enjoyable place to shop as a huge superstore can be. The Asda staff, almost always, are are friendly and helpful. And even the store managers help stack the shelves in my local store.

/Of course they don't have to worry about providing health cover....
 
2012-10-23 09:18:00 PM

dickfreckle: Mike Chewbacca: But the comment was about the working CONDITIONS, not the work itself. Having to get in early, leave late, and skip lunch is illegal for a reason.

I tended bar for many years, often in 12 hour shifts. LOL at "lunch (or meal) breaks." My first gig outside the business came with a fairly lengthy lunch break and I remember not knowing what to do with myself the first few days. You mean I can leave and just go fark around for 45 minutes? Why don't I just stay here and keep working? It had been years since I didn't bust my ass for 8-12 hours straight without even sitting down and catching a breath.


Bartender? I bet you heard some pretty cool stories. Bro.
 
2012-10-23 09:18:17 PM

Flint Ironstag: RickyWilliams'sBong: I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.

Yet strangely in Britain the WalMart subsidiary Asda treats its workers well, has no problems with unions, and in my experience is as enjoyable place to shop as a huge superstore can be. The Asda staff, almost always, are are friendly and helpful. And even the store managers help stack the shelves in my local store.

/Of course they don't have to worry about providing health cover....


True, but Tesco beat them to the white trash market.
 
2012-10-23 09:43:07 PM
I shop at Target because the girls there are hotter.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:19 PM
Wal-mart has one brand of everything. No variety. Stopped shopping there because it's too far from my place.
 
2012-10-23 10:04:08 PM

NotARocketScientist: Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices.


Where do people get the idea that WalMart doesn't offer these benefits? I worked for them throughout college, and had vacation, sick time and health (including vision and dental) insurance. They also had a killer employee stock purchase plan (they matched 15%, so you always automatically made that much.
 
2012-10-23 10:07:15 PM

skrame: (they matched 15%, so you always automatically made that much.


)

/I had to supply my own punctuation though.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:30 PM

China White Tea: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.


Why not shop somewhere that isn't a farking tumor on the economy?
 
2012-10-23 10:47:45 PM
Interestingly right now History is showing the Men Who Built America episode about Andrew Carnegie and Henry Frick and just got to the Homestead strike and the Pinkertons. Funny how some people never learn from history.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:34 PM

NotARocketScientist: Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices.


Then they should quit and get a job with Fred.
 
2012-10-23 11:11:40 PM

shivand1: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.


Yes Yes Yes a million times yes. Add in cheap whiskey and you have me sold.
 
2012-10-23 11:14:33 PM
I did a stint at walmart in Kentucky. City of Madisonville. Walmart was the only one left to work at. It was either that or Gentron (making freezer doors for walmart), GE (military clearance required) or the coal mines.
didn't pay too bad ($9.50/hr to start).

my house rental was $250/month so it didn't take much to survive there.

Avg home price was 20k for a 4 br, 60k new.

/I worked third shift. I hardly never saw another human.
 
2012-10-23 11:22:30 PM
because all the nice little stores in town closed up shortly after they heard a wal-mart was being built. there is almost no where else to shop. still try not to buy there. very poor quality throughout. a lot of the people at wal-mart are scary as hell.
 
2012-10-23 11:29:01 PM

roc6783: ///Also, it would be nice if Wal-Mart stopped relying on the government to provide for their employees.


Soon, they'll be relying on the government to force their striking employees back to work.
 
2012-10-24 12:13:16 AM

iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.


sounds like a poor strategy when sam's club and costco exist
 
2012-10-24 12:15:49 AM
Twanda Burkes

Color me surprised
 
2012-10-24 01:29:04 AM

Spaz-master: Color me surprised


my what stunning intellect you display
 
HBK
2012-10-24 03:23:22 AM
Last time I was in a Walmart was in Durant, OK. Per the clerk at the liquor store, the stupid state's law doesn't allow liquor stores to sell mixers, so you have to go elsewhere. I didn't want to drive around that shiathole town any more than I needed to, so I succumbed and went to Walmart.

The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.
 
2012-10-24 03:26:11 AM
I was in a Walmart recently for the first time in a while (Target snob) and was impressed by the produce department in terms of its lighting, display layouts and apparent over all quality of the products on hand.

It may as well have all been laquered plastic though, given how few people were actually shopping in that part of the store.

The pizza-roll cooler seemed to be an especially popular stop
 
2012-10-24 03:28:54 AM

HBK: The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.


As in, fewer than you expected?
 
HBK
2012-10-24 03:37:20 AM

TomD9938: HBK: The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.

As in, fewer than you expected?


I was flabbergasted that there were so many. I expect that Walmart to start building overpasses to alleviate the traffic. The local Rascal dealership probably does better than the car dealerships.
 
2012-10-24 03:48:45 AM

HBK: I was flabbergasted that there were so many.


Yeah, if it werent so depressing, it'd be funny.


HBK: The local Rascal dealership probably does better than the car dealerships.


Ok, that's funny. 

/because it's true
 
2012-10-24 03:48:52 AM

NotARocketScientist: When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?

We don't expect them to be non-profit. However we expect them to make the profit from their volume of sales, not by wringing out their employees. A recent study showed that they could pay their store workers $10/hour and supply health insurance for a cost of 50 cents/order (that's order, not item). Not doing so is just a dick move. We have a Fred Meyers and a Walmart in our town. Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices. The only people who shop at Walmart are the military people who are familiar with it and not Fred's.


Hate to break it to you but Wal-Mart pays sick time and gives vacation time. And provides insurance. One shouldn't expect to start at 10$*an hour stocking shelves. I have work 14+ years for the company and never been denied breaks/lunch in fact I've had to discipline people for skipping their lunches 


*10$ in mid-missouri Adjust for region
 
2012-10-24 06:04:02 AM

ScouserDuck: So you're saying that Wal-marts CAN use slave labor as long as they're in a union state?

No, only as long as they're in a RTW state. In that case, temporary agencies are used to ensure that any unionization efforts are minimized by pitting workers against each other.

When a business needs to do something without being accountable for the consequences, they use a temporary agency.

HotIgneous Intruder: Distribution center jobs, all of them, are hard, hard work. The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it.

The problem is that temporary agencies are designed against the worker, not for them. They provide an insulation between the business and the worker in a way best described as an employer-side labor union. The ironic thing is that even in RTW states, you are required to join these agencies as a condition of accepting/continuing work.
 
2012-10-24 06:45:22 AM
The poverty line is the invisible line between Target and Walmart.
 
2012-10-24 06:58:56 AM

sethstorm: The problem is that temporary agencies are designed against the worker, not for them. They provide an insulation between the business and the worker in a way best described as an employer-side labor union. The ironic thing is that even in RTW states, you are required to join these agencies as a condition of accepting/continuing work.


Well of course.
But people who work through temp agencies usually have no more options left because the HR culture has shut them out of regular for whatever arbitrary or legitimate reasons.
Temping is the new slavery.
 
2012-10-24 07:01:17 AM
And remember, it's a temp job contractor that runs the labor pool in that warehouse, NOT Walmart.
Sucks to be them; any and all of them.
There's a reason regular Walmart distribution center workers are paid so highly and get benefits and etc. Nobody but the desperate would do work that hard to $10/hr. with not benefits except being alive at the end of their shift.
 
2012-10-24 07:08:38 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Hate to break it to you but Wal-Mart pays sick time and gives vacation time. And provides insurance. One shouldn't expect to start at 10$*an hour stocking shelves. I have work 14+ years for the company and never been denied breaks/lunch in fact I've had to discipline people for skipping their lunches


Just about everyone in this thread seems to not understand the difference between a Walmart store shelf stocker and a Walmart distribution center worker. These are Walmart stores. These are Walmart distribution centers
They are completely different places and the jobs in them are nothing alike.
 
2012-10-24 10:23:29 AM

iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.


lots of small business shop at walmart. I worked for a tobacco store back in the day, and we bought most of our cigarettes from walmart. then, the tobacco manufacturer would send us a rebate. so, we basically bought cartons at walmart for a high price, sold them at a low price, and then waited to get a check in the mail from the cigarette maker. it was a weird business. getting paid to sell at a loss.

But, that was the way that the cigarette companies had established their distribution system. walmart does all the distribution and sells at their price. we buy from walmart, and an inflated price, waiting for the manufacturer to adjust our price to the actual price.
 
2012-10-24 10:33:48 AM

Propain_az


I shop at Wal-Mart all the time for sporting goods (Golf, fishing, ammo, etc.) and toys for the little Propains.


Heh - Propains and Propains accessories.
 
2012-10-24 10:34:21 AM

NotARocketScientist: When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?

We don't expect them to be non-profit. However we expect them to make the profit from their volume of sales, not by wringing out their employees. A recent study showed that they could pay their store workers $10/hour and supply health insurance for a cost of 50 cents/order (that's order, not item). Not doing so is just a dick move. We have a Fred Meyers and a Walmart in our town. Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices. The only people who shop at Walmart are the military people who are familiar with it and not Fred's.


I worked at a Fred Meyer and honestly, one of the best places I've ever worked. They treated everyone right, the pay was okay, and the bennies were great. Would have stayed on but they couldn't pay me $12 and hour. But I still shop there instead of wal-mart whenever possible.
 
2012-10-24 11:00:25 AM
FinFangFark: .

Why are there 50 farking registers and they only have 5 open?

.


That is why I don't shop at wal mart except for the rare occasion that I get a gift card. I don't even care that they treat their employees like shiat and as far as their cheap crap being low quality well you get what you pay for
 
2012-10-24 11:08:19 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: China White Tea: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.

Why not shop somewhere that isn't a farking tumor on the economy?


Here, allow me to repeat myself: Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I do not have limitless shiats to give - I'm not going to waste them agonizing over whether or not I've chosen the best possible enormous corporation the best possible enormous corporation for my toiletry vendor.
 
2012-10-24 11:08:59 AM

jayhawk88:

I'll never forget the first time I went shopping at a 24 Hour Wal-Mart late at night. Roommate and I at college got all drunkened up and decided we desperately needed Hot Pockets or whatever at like 2 in the morning. We we drive to Wal-Mart, and there are like 50 shoppers in the place. Mom and a couple kids with a cart full of groceries. Someone trying to decide what lamp to buy.

Blew my mind. Could not figure out what these people were doing there at that hour.


Because 2nd shifters are not real people am I right?
 
2012-10-24 11:09:35 AM

China White Tea: I do not have limitless shiats to give - I'm not going to waste them agonizing over whether or not I've chosen the best possible enormous corporation the best possible enormous corporation for my toiletry vendor.


FTFM
 
2012-10-24 11:36:06 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Well of course.
But people who work through temp agencies usually have no more options left because the HR culture has shut them out of regular for whatever arbitrary or legitimate reasons.
Temping is the new slavery.


It's also the only labor union that Wal-Mart will support in North America, since it is in full control of the company with none of the consequences of direct action.
 
2012-10-24 12:13:37 PM
I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.
 
kab
2012-10-24 12:23:34 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because there's a large % of folks are incredibly lazy, apathetic, and focus only on "low prices omg". How workers are treated there doesn't matter to customers one bit, as long as those customers.. don't work there.

In short, welcome to 'murka

/sooooo looking forward to watching black Friday idiocy this year
 
2012-10-24 12:31:47 PM

k1j2b3: I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.


Don't try and make this a partisan thing. I lean pretty far left and I am all for Walmart here, if you signed up for Part time pay and benefits and hours then that's what you get complaining later is a "sucks to be you".
 
2012-10-24 12:34:54 PM
TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.
 
2012-10-24 12:41:17 PM

k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.


Who on the left keeps brining it up? I have never seen an elected D bring up the topic, I could be wrong and really not worth my effort to search. News reporters keep brining it up because it's news when the lawsuits happens but other than that...
 
2012-10-24 01:02:46 PM

TNel: k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.

Who on the left keeps brining it up? I have never seen an elected D bring up the topic, I could be wrong and really not worth my effort to search. News reporters keep brining it up because it's news when the lawsuits happens but other than that...



I'm guessing it's because of the massive anti-union stance. Restaurant supervisors don't spend this much $$$ trying to convince their dishwashers not to join a union. Of course, that massive $$$ is likely the simple result of Walmart being as large as it is, rather than inherent evil in Walmart. But if a person is very pro-union, that represents a fairly large target.

Not that Walmart can't be hated for other reasons; simply why this hate tacks to the left.
 
2012-10-24 01:08:38 PM

k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.


Here's what I don't get, why do people who can't stand the fact that other people are on government support, have no issue with Wal-Mart having the largest percentage of workers on government aid? Perhaps if they had better business practices, then their workers would be able to afford to work and live without using the government as a supplement to their income?
 
2012-10-24 02:15:55 PM

roc6783:
Here's what I don't get, why do people who can't stand the fact that other people are on government support, have no issue with Wal-Mart having the largest percentage of workers on government aid? Perhaps if they had better business practices, then their workers would be able to afford to work and live without using the government as a supplement to their income?


correlation vs causation

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take
 
2012-10-24 02:50:54 PM

moothemagiccow: iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.

sounds like a poor strategy when sam's club and costco exist


There isn't a Sam's club in town and I think it's owned by Walmart anyway. We are Costco members but they only carry cases of one quart oil - more bottle opening and price isn't better-, usually only two kinds total, and don't have ATF, brake fluid, or distilled water. We usually stock three weights of Castrol including the hard to find 20/50. We do rely on Costco for paper towels and nitrile gloves, and other business (printer ink, toilet paper...) and household essentials (detergent, eggs, butter...).
I would like to point out that running a business is no different from running a household. I think maybe some people will think Oh, for a small business making an ethical compromise makes financial sense. How is running a household any different? Food for thought.
 
2012-10-24 03:16:00 PM

TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take


It is stupid to think that people who work 40 hours a week should be able to afford food, housing, transportation, child care, and health care without relying on the government to pick up the slack for private industry? Wow, that totally makes sense.
 
2012-10-24 03:30:33 PM

roc6783: TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take

It is stupid to think that people who work 40 hours a week should be able to afford food, housing, transportation, child care, and health care without relying on the government to pick up the slack for private industry? Wow, that totally makes sense.


The people that work full time at walmart are fully compensated for their time. Our country is not Socialism, I can't afford child care for my kids and I have a much better job than Walmart that is why I have to pay friends to watch my kids for me. You are a screaming socialist, maybe you should go back to China, Cuba, or Vietnam.

No company should have to pay for all of those things, the company says "I will pay you $10 an hour for 30 hours a week" if you say "OK that's fine" then guess what IT'S FINE! If it's not fine for you you try and get more or say "I'm sorry I need to look elsewhere". Walmart is NOT going "We hired you for full time 40 hours a week but we lied you only get 30 hours".
 
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