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2012-10-23 11:22:28 AM
a contingent of workers called OUR Walmart that is trying to speak out about what it says are tough working conditions.

Meh, I did some time in a WalMart, it was not hard (or tough) work.
 
2012-10-23 11:27:15 AM
Why do people still shop there?
 
2012-10-23 11:45:34 AM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


I honestly don't know. I stopped shopping at Wal-Mart about a decade ago; the only time I go anymore is when my dad sends me a gift card (because hell, the money is already spent).
 
2012-10-23 12:01:03 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


The same reason people still watch Leno? Habit and a general acceptance of mediocrity in their lives?
 
2012-10-23 12:07:37 PM

Freudian_slipknot: cman: Why do people still shop there?

The same reason people still watch Leno? Habit and a general acceptance of mediocrity in their lives?


On come on Leno is funny (especially the Headlines segment of his show)
 
2012-10-23 12:33:10 PM
There is no better place on earth to see "zero farks given" at every level than a WalMart
 
2012-10-23 01:02:29 PM
I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.
 
2012-10-23 01:30:48 PM

Beerguy: I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.


It's not even that much more money. The way I see it, it's an investment in sanity. Better to spend a few extra bucks and just avoid the screeching crotchfruit and muffin-top skanks entirely. I'm not even a snob - all I know is that whenever I go to Wal-Mart, my blood pressure rises. Why do that to yourself to save a few bucks?
 
2012-10-23 01:43:38 PM

dickfreckle: Beerguy: I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.

It's not even that much more money. The way I see it, it's an investment in sanity. Better to spend a few extra bucks and just avoid the screeching crotchfruit and muffin-top skanks entirely. I'm not even a snob - all I know is that whenever I go to Wal-Mart, my blood pressure rises. Why do that to yourself to save a few bucks?


Exactly.
 
2012-10-23 03:04:38 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.
 
2012-10-23 03:06:24 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because the modem in the $199 computer they bought from Walmart a year ago broke and they can't dial up AOL to access amazon.com.
 
2012-10-23 03:16:10 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.
 
2012-10-23 03:23:50 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


It's cheap, probably cause they don't pay their employees.
 
2012-10-23 03:32:51 PM
From now on, I am actively boycotting Wal-Mart for their terrible labor and anti-competitive practices.

~Posted from Target on my iPhone5


///Also, it would be nice if Wal-Mart stopped relying on the government to provide for their employees.
 
2012-10-23 03:45:21 PM
Last time I stepped foot in Wal-Mart was to spend some gift cards that we got as a wedding present...

That was 5 years ago. I have sat in the parking lot, that is it. I get my food at a grocery store, clothes at a clothing store. Do a lot of online shopping for most everything else.

I also live in rural Appalachia. If I can do it, anybody can.

Sure, It might cost me an extra couple of bucks a month...but I can save that in other areas of my life if I need to.
 
2012-10-23 03:49:25 PM
I go to Wal-Mart and the reason, in the area I live it is the only store within 30 miles other than a food lion, tractor supply company, cvs and few dollar tree,general, store stores. It is a rather small wal-mart.

it just isn't practical to drive my alzheimer's affected mother 30 miles to a store when she has no clue what she is looking for. it sucks but where else can I go.
 
2012-10-23 03:52:30 PM
I prefer Dollar General. I don't have to det all dressed up like I'm going to Wal Mart.
 
2012-10-23 04:02:20 PM
I am trying to fight Walmart from muscling it's way into my community, so I'm getting a kick.

/until Walmart pays off the right politicians
 
2012-10-23 04:03:04 PM

Beerguy: dickfreckle: Beerguy: I know I end up spending more money, but I quit going to Walmart about a year ago. Not having herds of screaming kids surrounding me and not waiting at checkout for 30 minutes....priceless.

It's not even that much more money. The way I see it, it's an investment in sanity. Better to spend a few extra bucks and just avoid the screeching crotchfruit and muffin-top skanks entirely. I'm not even a snob - all I know is that whenever I go to Wal-Mart, my blood pressure rises. Why do that to yourself to save a few bucks?

Exactly.


This.

You have to put a value on your time, and your comfort. Here in Houston, every Walmart is a roach motel. There is a Walmart down the street from my house, and I refuse to go anywhere near that place. I'll drive the extra 15 minutes to Whole Foods, or even the "fancy" HEB in the Heights.

Why are there 50 farking registers and they only have 5 open?

There are times I'd wish Walmart would just go away, but then that would mean all of the 19 year old girls with 5 kids, two of which are screaming at the top of their lungs, would start shopping at the nicer places...then I just shut my mouth about it.
 
2012-10-23 04:12:22 PM
because sometimes you have to replace a farking battery at 9 pm

that sucked, that really sucked
 
2012-10-23 04:18:39 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because it is often the cheapest place to shop at, and for many people, price is the only index that concerns them. Quality and durability of product, cleanliness and efficiency of the store just don't matter as much.
 
2012-10-23 04:18:56 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


It's cheap, and the other big box store options or local shops are more expensive.
 
2012-10-23 04:34:18 PM
Regular full-time distribution center employees get paid about $16 bucks to start. If you're taking a temp job in such a place, you're getting about $10 an hour with no benefits and that makes you quite foolish.
 
2012-10-23 04:35:04 PM

basemetal: Meh, I did some time in a WalMart, it was not hard (or tough) work.


Then you certainly didn't work in a distribution center.
 
2012-10-23 04:39:27 PM
If it weren't for that "damn 'mancipation proclamation", Wal-Mart wouldn't pay anyone at all.
 
2012-10-23 05:08:37 PM

basemetal: a contingent of workers called OUR Walmart that is trying to speak out about what it says are tough working conditions.

Meh, I did some time in a WalMart, it was not hard (or tough) work.


But the comment was about the working CONDITIONS, not the work itself. Having to get in early, leave late, and skip lunch is illegal for a reason.
 
2012-10-23 05:24:24 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Meh. Aside from Costco, it's the cheapest for staples (pasta, milk/dairy, beans, cereal, baking ingredients, etc) and consumables (cleaning supplies, toilet paper, paper towels, etc). A box of 90 dishwasher tabs at Walmart is the same box of 90 dishwasher tabs at Safeway - it's just $4 cheaper.

For meats and veggies though - it's a butcher and produce store/farmers market.
 
2012-10-23 05:32:41 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?

 
Just got back from Walmart, so this is relevant to my interests.
 
Needed some Drano, kids vitamins, a box of Wheaties, some frozen dinners and a couple bags of cheap cat litter.  I picked up a bag of seedless oranges while I was there, but that was the extent of the impulse shopping.
 
Used the self-checkout, in and out in under 30 minutes, and it was just 5 minutes from my house.
  Sure, they treat their employees like shiat and buy lots of crap from China, but so do all the other bog box stores and most of the major chain supermarkets. 

 
 
2012-10-23 05:40:30 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


'Cause 'Murrica! *salutes robotically*
 
2012-10-23 06:00:07 PM

fustanella: cman: Why do people still shop there?

'Cause 'Murrica! *salutes robotically*


Uh no.
Try "Because people like to save money," and you'll be close to the truth.
Also, a Sam's Club membership will pay for itself in gasoline price savings alone across a year's time.
Call them evil or whatever, but all Walmart ever did was find efficiencies where other big-boxers and national chains did not.

/I realize there are people who are programmed to fight all things Walmart with every fiber of their being, but don't bother coming at me, 'cause it's a waste of your time.

Distribution center jobs, all of them, are hard, hard work. The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it. There are strength and agility screening tests to get those jobs, unlike the open admissions requirements to the ideological bodegas of Whole Paycheck Foods and etc.
 
2012-10-23 06:01:38 PM

cman: On come on Leno is funny (especially the Headlines segment of his show)


LOL

The one part of the show anybody could do is the one you give Leno the props.
 
2012-10-23 06:12:05 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it.


You almost got me to bite, until I saw that! :)
 
2012-10-23 06:21:04 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: HotIgneous Intruder: The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it.

You almost got me to bite, until I saw that! :)


You need to check into DISTRIBUTION CENTER jobs and the descriptions thereof.
Until you do, you're just an ignorant farkworm and talking out of you ass.

Hint: Google it.
 
2012-10-23 06:21:11 PM

macdaddy357: If it weren't for that "damn 'mancipation proclamation", Wal-Mart wouldn't pay anyone at all.


So you're saying that Wal-marts CAN use slave labor as long as they're in a union state?
 
2012-10-23 06:23:51 PM
When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?
 
2012-10-23 06:33:39 PM
For our town it is easily the cheapest place to buy groceries. And it's not even close. By about 30 bucks for an average week.
 
2012-10-23 06:35:24 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because a lot of people are poor as shiat and can't afford to shop anywhere else.
 
2012-10-23 06:41:44 PM
I only go to wally mart if its an emergency, like last month when a fan died ( we dont have air conditioning ) and it was after ten so the target was closed and the wally world the next valley over was still open.Oh, yes, at 2300 hrs it was over 90 here so ..... fan purchased and the person who really needed it didnt die from the heat.
 
2012-10-23 06:51:02 PM

gingerjet: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Because the modem in the $199 computer they bought from Walmart a year ago broke and they can't dial up AOL to access amazon.com.


Stop that. You're scaring me.
 
2012-10-23 06:53:55 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


People buy the advertising pitch that it's the cheapest store out there.
 
2012-10-23 06:55:44 PM

Waldo Pepper: I go to Wal-Mart and the reason, in the area I live it is the only store within 30 miles other than a food lion, tractor supply company, cvs and few dollar tree,general, store stores.


Were they having a sale on extra commas this week?
 
2012-10-23 07:00:57 PM
I don't shop at Target, Wal-Mart, K-mart, Sears, Macys, JC Penny, or any other large retailer. Why bother Amazon (American slave labor) and Buy.com (Chinese/Japanese slave labor) ship that crap right to my door.

As for food, I just shop at local places. No Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Wegmans or crap like that. Just regular ol' regional grocery stores. Although national grocery chains tend to be much better to their employees than national retail chains for some reason. I've heard nothing but good things from people who have worked at Wegmans and Whole Foods.
 
2012-10-23 07:14:13 PM

Mike Chewbacca: But the comment was about the working CONDITIONS, not the work itself. Having to get in early, leave late, and skip lunch is illegal for a reason.


I tended bar for many years, often in 12 hour shifts. LOL at "lunch (or meal) breaks." My first gig outside the business came with a fairly lengthy lunch break and I remember not knowing what to do with myself the first few days. You mean I can leave and just go fark around for 45 minutes? Why don't I just stay here and keep working? It had been years since I didn't bust my ass for 8-12 hours straight without even sitting down and catching a breath.
 
2012-10-23 07:40:45 PM

shivand1: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.


I'll never forget the first time I went shopping at a 24 Hour Wal-Mart late at night. Roommate and I at college got all drunkened up and decided we desperately needed Hot Pockets or whatever at like 2 in the morning. We we drive to Wal-Mart, and there are like 50 shoppers in the place. Mom and a couple kids with a cart full of groceries. Someone trying to decide what lamp to buy.

Blew my mind. Could not figure out what these people were doing there at that hour.
 
2012-10-23 07:44:10 PM
For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.
 
2012-10-23 07:48:24 PM

degenerate-afro: I don't shop at Target, Wal-Mart, K-mart, Sears, Macys, JC Penny, or any other large retailer. Why bother Amazon (American slave labor) and Buy.com (Chinese/Japanese slave labor) ship that crap right to my door.

As for food, I just shop at local places. No Trader Joes, Whole Foods, Wegmans or crap like that. Just regular ol' regional grocery stores. Although national grocery chains tend to be much better to their employees than national retail chains for some reason. I've heard nothing but good things from people who have worked at Wegmans and Whole Foods.


National grocery chains are maybe a quarter-step up from Wal-Mart in how they treat their employees.

/worked at Kroger through high school
 
2012-10-23 08:06:20 PM

mainstreet62: I am trying to fight Walmart from muscling it's way into my community, so I'm getting a kick.

/until Walmart pays off the right politicians


I never understand this, they will just open somewhere else close by and people that were going to shop there will still go there to shop and force out smaller, more expensive places, maybe if those places didnt put profits over customers then maybe they would survive.

The issue of the article is the temp agency making the rules, not wal mart but everyone on fark likes to hate on Wal Mart now..........Its like fark has become democratic underground junior with just a fewer less crazy leftists....just a fewer.
 
2012-10-23 08:32:46 PM
I shop at Wal-Mart all the time for sporting goods (Golf, fishing, ammo, etc.) and toys for the little Propains. Prices and selection are good. I think you're a moron if you are paying a higher price for the same crap.
 
2012-10-23 08:36:44 PM
MyPoolLeaks National grocery chains are maybe a quarter-step up from Wal-Mart in how they treat their employees.

/worked at Kroger through high school


Kroger treated my wife pretty good through 2-1/2 rounds of cancer.

thx Fred Meyer
 
2012-10-23 08:43:15 PM
When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?

We don't expect them to be non-profit. However we expect them to make the profit from their volume of sales, not by wringing out their employees. A recent study showed that they could pay their store workers $10/hour and supply health insurance for a cost of 50 cents/order (that's order, not item). Not doing so is just a dick move. We have a Fred Meyers and a Walmart in our town. Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices. The only people who shop at Walmart are the military people who are familiar with it and not Fred's.
 
2012-10-23 08:44:35 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


It literally is the closest place to the house.
 
2012-10-23 08:45:11 PM

one of Ripley's Bad Guys: MyPoolLeaks National grocery chains are maybe a quarter-step up from Wal-Mart in how they treat their employees.

/worked at Kroger through high school

Kroger treated my wife pretty good through 2-1/2 rounds of cancer.

thx Fred Meyer


Same here.
 
2012-10-23 08:57:48 PM
I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.
 
2012-10-23 09:03:53 PM

RickyWilliams'sBong: I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.


Yet strangely in Britain the WalMart subsidiary Asda treats its workers well, has no problems with unions, and in my experience is as enjoyable place to shop as a huge superstore can be. The Asda staff, almost always, are are friendly and helpful. And even the store managers help stack the shelves in my local store.

/Of course they don't have to worry about providing health cover....
 
2012-10-23 09:18:00 PM

dickfreckle: Mike Chewbacca: But the comment was about the working CONDITIONS, not the work itself. Having to get in early, leave late, and skip lunch is illegal for a reason.

I tended bar for many years, often in 12 hour shifts. LOL at "lunch (or meal) breaks." My first gig outside the business came with a fairly lengthy lunch break and I remember not knowing what to do with myself the first few days. You mean I can leave and just go fark around for 45 minutes? Why don't I just stay here and keep working? It had been years since I didn't bust my ass for 8-12 hours straight without even sitting down and catching a breath.


Bartender? I bet you heard some pretty cool stories. Bro.
 
2012-10-23 09:18:17 PM

Flint Ironstag: RickyWilliams'sBong: I never shopped there regularly. There's never more than one register open per hundred customers in line. You can get the same crap at Target for pretty much the same price, and you won't feel at-risk of getting hooked on meth as you would just standing next to the brodozer-driving white trash at Wal-Mart.

If you're buying ammo at the same place you're buying groceries, we, as a society, should be well within our rights to sell you back to Britain.

Yet strangely in Britain the WalMart subsidiary Asda treats its workers well, has no problems with unions, and in my experience is as enjoyable place to shop as a huge superstore can be. The Asda staff, almost always, are are friendly and helpful. And even the store managers help stack the shelves in my local store.

/Of course they don't have to worry about providing health cover....


True, but Tesco beat them to the white trash market.
 
2012-10-23 09:43:07 PM
I shop at Target because the girls there are hotter.
 
2012-10-23 10:03:19 PM
Wal-mart has one brand of everything. No variety. Stopped shopping there because it's too far from my place.
 
2012-10-23 10:04:08 PM

NotARocketScientist: Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices.


Where do people get the idea that WalMart doesn't offer these benefits? I worked for them throughout college, and had vacation, sick time and health (including vision and dental) insurance. They also had a killer employee stock purchase plan (they matched 15%, so you always automatically made that much.
 
2012-10-23 10:07:15 PM

skrame: (they matched 15%, so you always automatically made that much.


)

/I had to supply my own punctuation though.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:30 PM

China White Tea: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.


Why not shop somewhere that isn't a farking tumor on the economy?
 
2012-10-23 10:47:45 PM
Interestingly right now History is showing the Men Who Built America episode about Andrew Carnegie and Henry Frick and just got to the Homestead strike and the Pinkertons. Funny how some people never learn from history.
 
2012-10-23 11:05:34 PM

NotARocketScientist: Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices.


Then they should quit and get a job with Fred.
 
2012-10-23 11:11:40 PM

shivand1: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.


Yes Yes Yes a million times yes. Add in cheap whiskey and you have me sold.
 
2012-10-23 11:14:33 PM
I did a stint at walmart in Kentucky. City of Madisonville. Walmart was the only one left to work at. It was either that or Gentron (making freezer doors for walmart), GE (military clearance required) or the coal mines.
didn't pay too bad ($9.50/hr to start).

my house rental was $250/month so it didn't take much to survive there.

Avg home price was 20k for a 4 br, 60k new.

/I worked third shift. I hardly never saw another human.
 
2012-10-23 11:22:30 PM
because all the nice little stores in town closed up shortly after they heard a wal-mart was being built. there is almost no where else to shop. still try not to buy there. very poor quality throughout. a lot of the people at wal-mart are scary as hell.
 
2012-10-23 11:29:01 PM

roc6783: ///Also, it would be nice if Wal-Mart stopped relying on the government to provide for their employees.


Soon, they'll be relying on the government to force their striking employees back to work.
 
2012-10-24 12:13:16 AM

iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.


sounds like a poor strategy when sam's club and costco exist
 
2012-10-24 12:15:49 AM
Twanda Burkes

Color me surprised
 
2012-10-24 01:29:04 AM

Spaz-master: Color me surprised


my what stunning intellect you display
 
HBK
2012-10-24 03:23:22 AM
Last time I was in a Walmart was in Durant, OK. Per the clerk at the liquor store, the stupid state's law doesn't allow liquor stores to sell mixers, so you have to go elsewhere. I didn't want to drive around that shiathole town any more than I needed to, so I succumbed and went to Walmart.

The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.
 
2012-10-24 03:26:11 AM
I was in a Walmart recently for the first time in a while (Target snob) and was impressed by the produce department in terms of its lighting, display layouts and apparent over all quality of the products on hand.

It may as well have all been laquered plastic though, given how few people were actually shopping in that part of the store.

The pizza-roll cooler seemed to be an especially popular stop
 
2012-10-24 03:28:54 AM

HBK: The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.


As in, fewer than you expected?
 
HBK
2012-10-24 03:37:20 AM

TomD9938: HBK: The thing I found most surprising were the number of obese people in motorized scooters.

As in, fewer than you expected?


I was flabbergasted that there were so many. I expect that Walmart to start building overpasses to alleviate the traffic. The local Rascal dealership probably does better than the car dealerships.
 
2012-10-24 03:48:45 AM

HBK: I was flabbergasted that there were so many.


Yeah, if it werent so depressing, it'd be funny.


HBK: The local Rascal dealership probably does better than the car dealerships.


Ok, that's funny. 

/because it's true
 
2012-10-24 03:48:52 AM

NotARocketScientist: When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?

We don't expect them to be non-profit. However we expect them to make the profit from their volume of sales, not by wringing out their employees. A recent study showed that they could pay their store workers $10/hour and supply health insurance for a cost of 50 cents/order (that's order, not item). Not doing so is just a dick move. We have a Fred Meyers and a Walmart in our town. Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices. The only people who shop at Walmart are the military people who are familiar with it and not Fred's.


Hate to break it to you but Wal-Mart pays sick time and gives vacation time. And provides insurance. One shouldn't expect to start at 10$*an hour stocking shelves. I have work 14+ years for the company and never been denied breaks/lunch in fact I've had to discipline people for skipping their lunches 


*10$ in mid-missouri Adjust for region
 
2012-10-24 06:04:02 AM

ScouserDuck: So you're saying that Wal-marts CAN use slave labor as long as they're in a union state?

No, only as long as they're in a RTW state. In that case, temporary agencies are used to ensure that any unionization efforts are minimized by pitting workers against each other.

When a business needs to do something without being accountable for the consequences, they use a temporary agency.

HotIgneous Intruder: Distribution center jobs, all of them, are hard, hard work. The regular employees start at around $16 an hour with full benefits, and the raises come fairly quickly to those who can hack it.

The problem is that temporary agencies are designed against the worker, not for them. They provide an insulation between the business and the worker in a way best described as an employer-side labor union. The ironic thing is that even in RTW states, you are required to join these agencies as a condition of accepting/continuing work.
 
2012-10-24 06:45:22 AM
The poverty line is the invisible line between Target and Walmart.
 
2012-10-24 06:58:56 AM

sethstorm: The problem is that temporary agencies are designed against the worker, not for them. They provide an insulation between the business and the worker in a way best described as an employer-side labor union. The ironic thing is that even in RTW states, you are required to join these agencies as a condition of accepting/continuing work.


Well of course.
But people who work through temp agencies usually have no more options left because the HR culture has shut them out of regular for whatever arbitrary or legitimate reasons.
Temping is the new slavery.
 
2012-10-24 07:01:17 AM
And remember, it's a temp job contractor that runs the labor pool in that warehouse, NOT Walmart.
Sucks to be them; any and all of them.
There's a reason regular Walmart distribution center workers are paid so highly and get benefits and etc. Nobody but the desperate would do work that hard to $10/hr. with not benefits except being alive at the end of their shift.
 
2012-10-24 07:08:38 AM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Hate to break it to you but Wal-Mart pays sick time and gives vacation time. And provides insurance. One shouldn't expect to start at 10$*an hour stocking shelves. I have work 14+ years for the company and never been denied breaks/lunch in fact I've had to discipline people for skipping their lunches


Just about everyone in this thread seems to not understand the difference between a Walmart store shelf stocker and a Walmart distribution center worker. These are Walmart stores. These are Walmart distribution centers
They are completely different places and the jobs in them are nothing alike.
 
2012-10-24 10:23:29 AM

iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.


lots of small business shop at walmart. I worked for a tobacco store back in the day, and we bought most of our cigarettes from walmart. then, the tobacco manufacturer would send us a rebate. so, we basically bought cartons at walmart for a high price, sold them at a low price, and then waited to get a check in the mail from the cigarette maker. it was a weird business. getting paid to sell at a loss.

But, that was the way that the cigarette companies had established their distribution system. walmart does all the distribution and sells at their price. we buy from walmart, and an inflated price, waiting for the manufacturer to adjust our price to the actual price.
 
2012-10-24 10:33:48 AM

Propain_az


I shop at Wal-Mart all the time for sporting goods (Golf, fishing, ammo, etc.) and toys for the little Propains.


Heh - Propains and Propains accessories.
 
2012-10-24 10:34:21 AM

NotARocketScientist: When will Wal-Mart learn that we citizens will NOT rest until they become a non-profit, selling merchandise as a public service?

We don't expect them to be non-profit. However we expect them to make the profit from their volume of sales, not by wringing out their employees. A recent study showed that they could pay their store workers $10/hour and supply health insurance for a cost of 50 cents/order (that's order, not item). Not doing so is just a dick move. We have a Fred Meyers and a Walmart in our town. Fred's pays 1.5X what Walmart does and gives vacation and sick time as well as health insurance to their employees without having significantly higher prices. The only people who shop at Walmart are the military people who are familiar with it and not Fred's.


I worked at a Fred Meyer and honestly, one of the best places I've ever worked. They treated everyone right, the pay was okay, and the bennies were great. Would have stayed on but they couldn't pay me $12 and hour. But I still shop there instead of wal-mart whenever possible.
 
2012-10-24 11:00:25 AM
FinFangFark: .

Why are there 50 farking registers and they only have 5 open?

.


That is why I don't shop at wal mart except for the rare occasion that I get a gift card. I don't even care that they treat their employees like shiat and as far as their cheap crap being low quality well you get what you pay for
 
2012-10-24 11:08:19 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: China White Tea: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I go to Walmart sometimes. If I'm at work, it's the closest place (by a decent margin) to buy the types of things one generally buys at Walmart. It's also conveniently located to a number of reasonable lunch options, and it has a self-checkout which allows me to walk in, grab what I need, pay, and walk out in about 3 minutes flat, and the maximum amount of human interaction I have to endure is the tired looking old man by the door telling me to have a nice day.

Why not shop somewhere that isn't a farking tumor on the economy?


Here, allow me to repeat myself: Because many people do not feel compelled to try to make some sort of statement while buying their toothpaste and shiatpaper.

I do not have limitless shiats to give - I'm not going to waste them agonizing over whether or not I've chosen the best possible enormous corporation the best possible enormous corporation for my toiletry vendor.
 
2012-10-24 11:08:59 AM

jayhawk88:

I'll never forget the first time I went shopping at a 24 Hour Wal-Mart late at night. Roommate and I at college got all drunkened up and decided we desperately needed Hot Pockets or whatever at like 2 in the morning. We we drive to Wal-Mart, and there are like 50 shoppers in the place. Mom and a couple kids with a cart full of groceries. Someone trying to decide what lamp to buy.

Blew my mind. Could not figure out what these people were doing there at that hour.


Because 2nd shifters are not real people am I right?
 
2012-10-24 11:09:35 AM

China White Tea: I do not have limitless shiats to give - I'm not going to waste them agonizing over whether or not I've chosen the best possible enormous corporation the best possible enormous corporation for my toiletry vendor.


FTFM
 
2012-10-24 11:36:06 AM

HotIgneous Intruder: Well of course.
But people who work through temp agencies usually have no more options left because the HR culture has shut them out of regular for whatever arbitrary or legitimate reasons.
Temping is the new slavery.


It's also the only labor union that Wal-Mart will support in North America, since it is in full control of the company with none of the consequences of direct action.
 
2012-10-24 12:13:37 PM
I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.
 
kab
2012-10-24 12:23:34 PM

cman: Why do people still shop there?


Because there's a large % of folks are incredibly lazy, apathetic, and focus only on "low prices omg". How workers are treated there doesn't matter to customers one bit, as long as those customers.. don't work there.

In short, welcome to 'murka

/sooooo looking forward to watching black Friday idiocy this year
 
2012-10-24 12:31:47 PM

k1j2b3: I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.


Don't try and make this a partisan thing. I lean pretty far left and I am all for Walmart here, if you signed up for Part time pay and benefits and hours then that's what you get complaining later is a "sucks to be you".
 
2012-10-24 12:34:54 PM
TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.
 
2012-10-24 12:41:17 PM

k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.


Who on the left keeps brining it up? I have never seen an elected D bring up the topic, I could be wrong and really not worth my effort to search. News reporters keep brining it up because it's news when the lawsuits happens but other than that...
 
2012-10-24 01:02:46 PM

TNel: k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.

Who on the left keeps brining it up? I have never seen an elected D bring up the topic, I could be wrong and really not worth my effort to search. News reporters keep brining it up because it's news when the lawsuits happens but other than that...



I'm guessing it's because of the massive anti-union stance. Restaurant supervisors don't spend this much $$$ trying to convince their dishwashers not to join a union. Of course, that massive $$$ is likely the simple result of Walmart being as large as it is, rather than inherent evil in Walmart. But if a person is very pro-union, that represents a fairly large target.

Not that Walmart can't be hated for other reasons; simply why this hate tacks to the left.
 
2012-10-24 01:08:38 PM

k1j2b3: TNel,

I only made it partisan b/c the left keeps bringing this up...I don't ever see someone on the right making a big stink about pay at Wal-Mart.

Glad you get it.


Here's what I don't get, why do people who can't stand the fact that other people are on government support, have no issue with Wal-Mart having the largest percentage of workers on government aid? Perhaps if they had better business practices, then their workers would be able to afford to work and live without using the government as a supplement to their income?
 
2012-10-24 02:15:55 PM

roc6783:
Here's what I don't get, why do people who can't stand the fact that other people are on government support, have no issue with Wal-Mart having the largest percentage of workers on government aid? Perhaps if they had better business practices, then their workers would be able to afford to work and live without using the government as a supplement to their income?


correlation vs causation

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take
 
2012-10-24 02:50:54 PM

moothemagiccow: iwantamonkey: For those still wondering why anyone would shop there, our business buys name brand motor oil, coolant and other automotive fluids there to the tune of $300+ a month. I can't find anyone to sell us oil by the 5-gallon drum, so 5-quart bottles from Walmart by the cart load it is.
I think lots of small businesses shop at Walmart.

sounds like a poor strategy when sam's club and costco exist


There isn't a Sam's club in town and I think it's owned by Walmart anyway. We are Costco members but they only carry cases of one quart oil - more bottle opening and price isn't better-, usually only two kinds total, and don't have ATF, brake fluid, or distilled water. We usually stock three weights of Castrol including the hard to find 20/50. We do rely on Costco for paper towels and nitrile gloves, and other business (printer ink, toilet paper...) and household essentials (detergent, eggs, butter...).
I would like to point out that running a business is no different from running a household. I think maybe some people will think Oh, for a small business making an ethical compromise makes financial sense. How is running a household any different? Food for thought.
 
2012-10-24 03:16:00 PM

TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take


It is stupid to think that people who work 40 hours a week should be able to afford food, housing, transportation, child care, and health care without relying on the government to pick up the slack for private industry? Wow, that totally makes sense.
 
2012-10-24 03:30:33 PM

roc6783: TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take

It is stupid to think that people who work 40 hours a week should be able to afford food, housing, transportation, child care, and health care without relying on the government to pick up the slack for private industry? Wow, that totally makes sense.


The people that work full time at walmart are fully compensated for their time. Our country is not Socialism, I can't afford child care for my kids and I have a much better job than Walmart that is why I have to pay friends to watch my kids for me. You are a screaming socialist, maybe you should go back to China, Cuba, or Vietnam.

No company should have to pay for all of those things, the company says "I will pay you $10 an hour for 30 hours a week" if you say "OK that's fine" then guess what IT'S FINE! If it's not fine for you you try and get more or say "I'm sorry I need to look elsewhere". Walmart is NOT going "We hired you for full time 40 hours a week but we lied you only get 30 hours".
 
2012-10-24 03:39:15 PM

k1j2b3: I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

As a card-carrying & ALEC opposing Republican that opposes WMT for its practices, you would be mistaken about who opposes them. They have bribed clergy, corrupted many city councils, and have tried to build in secret where they are known to be not wanted. If anything should embody the indefensible concept of "legitimate rape", the post-Sam Walton Wal-Mart conduct would be a better use of those two words that Mr Akin's unfortunate use of them.

Their special case is that Wal-Mart goes the extra mile to fark their workers, suppliers, and communities over. They are the poster boy for the Southern way of "know thy place" way of things where businesses are given special favor while workers are considered 3/5ths cititizens that should STFU.


Ok, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.

How do I know that you know nothing about the issue other than to apologize for the company?
 
2012-10-24 03:51:58 PM

TNel: roc6783: TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take

The people that work full time at walmart are fully compensated for their time. Our country is not Socialism, I can't afford child care for my kids and I have a much better job than Walmart that is why I have to pay friends to watch my kids for me. You are a screaming socialist, maybe you should go back to China, Cuba, or Vietnam.

***snip***


I see that you are letting your derp cloud any logically consistent thought, but it seems that you are perfectly fine with rolling back the U.S. standard of living so that companies can continue making record profits while the government has to fill in the gaps. That's fine for you, but please stop voting, as you are doing nothing to help.

I don't want to see the U.S. turned into a 3rd world country where your choices are dirt farmer or near slave labor, like in those countries you seem to dislike. That is the path you are advocating whether you realize it or not. I have no problem with corporate profits, I have no issue with people being fantastically wealthy, I simply do not want to see it happen at the expense of everyone else. Wal-Mart being able to pay their workers a pittance and have the U.S., state, and local governments step in to make sure that their workers can actually support themselves is a symptom of the drain some people seem perfectly willing to pour us down in the name of protecting us from the "soshilizms and communisters and hippies and blacks".
 
2012-10-24 04:40:43 PM

roc6783: TNel: roc6783: TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take

The people that work full time at walmart are fully compensated for their time. Our country is not Socialism, I can't afford child care for my kids and I have a much better job than Walmart that is why I have to pay friends to watch my kids for me. You are a screaming socialist, maybe you should go back to China, Cuba, or Vietnam.

***snip***

I see that you are letting your derp cloud any logically consistent thought, but it seems that you are perfectly fine with rolling back the U.S. standard of living so that companies can continue making record profits while the government has to fill in the gaps. That's fine for you, but please stop voting, as you are doing nothing to help.

I don't want to see the U.S. turned into a 3rd world country where your choices are dirt farmer or near slave labor, like in those countries you seem to dislike. That is the path you are advocating whether you realize it or not. I have no problem with corporate profits, I have no issue with people being fantastically wealthy, I simply do not want to see it happen at the expense of everyone else. Wal-Mart being able to pay their workers a pittance and have the U.S., state, and local governments step in to make sure that their workers can actually support themselves is a symptom of the drain some people seem perfectly willing to pour us down in the name of protecting us from the "soshilizms and communisters and hippies and blacks".


What? Do you know what it costs to send a child to a day care center is? I mean really know because I really think you are an idiot. I pay $100 a week for one of my kids and the other 2 just started school this year but it was $300 a week for a CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP babysitter. A normal daycare runs $150-$200 a week per child.

The rest of your rant is crazy person talk. No wonder everyone else ignores you, my god.
 
2012-10-24 05:08:55 PM

TNel: roc6783: TNel: roc6783: TNel: roc6783:

***snip***
What? Do you know what it costs to send a child to a day care center is? I mean really know because I really think you are an idiot. I pay $100 a week for one of my kids and the other 2 just started school this year but it was $300 a week for a CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP babysitter. A normal daycare runs $150-$200 a week per child.

The rest of your rant is crazy person talk. No wonder everyone else ignores you, my god.


The fact that you do not see that you pay for someone to watch your kid and yet say that you don't pay for child care makes me think that you can in no way create a logical, fact based argument for any point that you would like to support.
 
2012-10-24 05:54:17 PM

roc6783: TNel: roc6783:

// Stop parroting that line jesus nobody bites because it's a stupid stance to take

It is stupid to think that people who work 40 hours a week should be able to afford food, housing, transportation, child care, and health care without relying on the government to pick up the slack for private industry? Wow, that totally makes sense.


I appreciate the position of wanting to supply a living wage to employees, but as i have said to many people in my career, "How do you determine a fair wage for someone who does nothing but put dishes in a dishwasher all day?" Substitute dish washing for any other repetitive, low skill, low education position. Its not that i don't respect my employees who do those jobs, I do respect them. I even like them, they are a good employees who work hard. I want them to succeed in life, be it with my company or somewhere else.. But how much do you really justify for a job where the employee has not had to invest in skills, education, training, or certification to perform the job?

These aren't jobs that i expect anyone to do for a long period of time.. or even full time. This is something i expect as a transitional position between jobs, after school, or just to make some extra scratch. If the employees want something more in my company, I will happily let them know what is available, but to an extent it is up to them to show me what they have done to make themselves ready for something more.

Just because you have stocked shelves for 5 years doesn't mean you have the same qualifications as the man i hire to mange the store, or even the department. I cant justify paying a stocker that much to just stock shelves.
 
2012-10-24 06:05:10 PM
Also, i am speaking as someone who has stocked shelves, and manged retail departments, worked in union and non union environments as both the ground level employee and management. During my entry level career in retail, i had no illusions that i should be paid more because "Life is expensive." I knew that if i wanted to be paid more, I would have to show that I had more to offer by pursuing skills and education that justified more.
 
2012-10-24 10:45:08 PM

Chigau: Also, i am speaking as someone who has stocked shelves, and manged retail departments, worked in union and non union environments as both the ground level employee and management. During my entry level career in retail, i had no illusions that i should be paid more because "Life is expensive." I knew that if i wanted to be paid more, I would have to show that I had more to offer by pursuing skills and education that justified more.


If you are comfortable living in a nation that allows for people to be productive members of that nation, yet still not be able to meet their basic necessities, that is fine, I simply disagree and hope that you do not ever have an opportunity to influence any policy decision that furthers your view.

The fact of life exists that there are people who are of sound mind and body that will never be able to advance their careers beyond dishwasher or shelf stocker, but I do not think that these people have less of a right to the pursuit of happiness than I do. Additionally, I do not feel that companies should be able to use the government to fill the gap between what they pay their workers and the basic necessities. If you work full time, you should not be on food stamps, it's that simple.
 
2012-10-25 12:47:50 AM

roc6783: Chigau: Also, i am speaking as someone who has stocked shelves, and manged retail departments, worked in union and non union environments as both the ground level employee and management. During my entry level career in retail, i had no illusions that i should be paid more because "Life is expensive." I knew that if i wanted to be paid more, I would have to show that I had more to offer by pursuing skills and education that justified more.

If you are comfortable living in a nation that allows for people to be productive members of that nation, yet still not be able to meet their basic necessities, that is fine, I simply disagree and hope that you do not ever have an opportunity to influence any policy decision that furthers your view.

The fact of life exists that there are people who are of sound mind and body that will never be able to advance their careers beyond dishwasher or shelf stocker, but I do not think that these people have less of a right to the pursuit of happiness than I do. Additionally, I do not feel that companies should be able to use the government to fill the gap between what they pay their workers and the basic necessities. If you work full time, you should not be on food stamps, it's that simple.


Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question.
 
2012-10-25 04:42:33 AM
I worked at Wal Mart for two weeks.The lady that was doing the hiring called and checked my referrence while I was still filling out the application. Thing is, my former boss wasn't there so she talked to a co-worker. She also told me I might want to change one of the answers on the questionairre. I lasted two weeks. They even got my SSN wrong so it's like I was never there.
 
2012-10-25 07:43:52 AM

Chigau: roc6783: Chigau: Also, i am speaking as someone who has stocked shelves, and manged retail departments, worked in union and non union environments as both the ground level employee and management. During my entry level career in retail, i had no illusions that i should be paid more because "Life is expensive." I knew that if i wanted to be paid more, I would have to show that I had more to offer by pursuing skills and education that justified more.

If you are comfortable living in a nation that allows for people to be productive members of that nation, yet still not be able to meet their basic necessities, that is fine, I simply disagree and hope that you do not ever have an opportunity to influence any policy decision that furthers your view.

The fact of life exists that there are people who are of sound mind and body that will never be able to advance their careers beyond dishwasher or shelf stocker, but I do not think that these people have less of a right to the pursuit of happiness than I do. Additionally, I do not feel that companies should be able to use the government to fill the gap between what they pay their workers and the basic necessities. If you work full time, you should not be on food stamps, it's that simple.

Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question.


Just ignore what he says. I stopped responding because he thinks everyone in the world needs to be paid atleast $50k a year to make it liveable then doesn't understand that cost of living will then rise to ofset said increases till the point that you are at the same level as before. I'm sorry but some jobs don't pay as well as others. If you choose to work there, that's fine and nothing against it but not every job should be paying the same wage.

He doesn't want to be called socialist but everything he spews out of his mouth is pure socialism.
 
2012-10-25 08:16:51 AM

k1j2b3: I am not sure why Wal-Mart is the constant focus of hatred by the left. Wal-Mart is the same as any other retailer...minimum wage work, inconsistent hours, no/low benefits. Why is no one pointing a finger at Target or JC Penney? What about the poor dishwashers and waitresses out there who have crappy schedules and low pay?

Look, Wal-Mart is a minimum wage job. We all know how this works...you take a minimum wage job, you learn some skills, if you like the job and are advancing in pay/benefits, you stay. If not, you take that experience somewhere else and get better pay/benefits. Who goes out to Wal-Mart and works there for 30 to 40 years? Wal-Mart is NOT a career. It is a path to better work down the road if you apply yourself and learn some skills.


and why won't Fark acknowledge Amazon and Netflix treat their employees like shiat.
 
2012-10-25 08:17:28 AM

TNel: Chigau: roc6783: Chigau: Also, i am speaking as someone who has stocked shelves, and manged retail departments, worked in union and non union environments as both the ground level employee and management. During my entry level career in retail, i had no illusions that i should be paid more because "Life is expensive." I knew that if i wanted to be paid more, I would have to show that I had more to offer by pursuing skills and education that justified more.

If you are comfortable living in a nation that allows for people to be productive members of that nation, yet still not be able to meet their basic necessities, that is fine, I simply disagree and hope that you do not ever have an opportunity to influence any policy decision that furthers your view.

The fact of life exists that there are people who are of sound mind and body that will never be able to advance their careers beyond dishwasher or shelf stocker, but I do not think that these people have less of a right to the pursuit of happiness than I do. Additionally, I do not feel that companies should be able to use the government to fill the gap between what they pay their workers and the basic necessities. If you work full time, you should not be on food stamps, it's that simple.

Unfortunately, you didn't answer my question.

Just ignore what he says. I stopped responding because he thinks everyone in the world needs to be paid atleast $50k a year to make it liveable then doesn't understand that cost of living will then rise to ofset said increases till the point that you are at the same level as before. I'm sorry but some jobs don't pay as well as others. If you choose to work there, that's fine and nothing against it but not every job should be paying the same wage.

He doesn't want to be called socialist but everything he spews out of his mouth is pure socialism.


So he is a Total Fark Hive-Minder?
 
2012-10-25 10:35:46 AM

TNel: Chigau: roc6783: Chigau: ... bleh belh bleh bleh

Just ignore what he says. I stopped responding because he thinks everyone in the world needs to be paid atleast $50k a year to make it liveable then doesn't understand that cost of living will then rise to ofset said increases till the point that you are at the same level as before. I'm sorry but some jobs don't pay as well as others. If you choose to work there, that's fine and nothing against it but not every job should be paying the same wage.

He doesn't want to be called socialist but everything he spews out of his mouth is pure socialism.


I don't think I would call him entirely socialist. I can say that much of what he states falls in line with the rhetoric of organised labor. I'm not going to complain bout that because i know my history and i know that many of the employment laws we enjoy today are because of the efforts of organised labor. I also know that trends in organised labor are cyclical, and currently on the decline. The actions of Wal-MArt will most likely cause a increase in OL presence in the private sector. I'm OK with that to. I'm even OK with the idea that certain high level people should be paid less so that lower level people should be paid more... though i've done that math and it takes more and larger pay-cuts than one would think to make it work.

What I am not OK with is the idea that "The fact of life exists that there are people who are of sound mind and body that will never be able to advance their careers beyond dishwasher or shelf stocker" When the hell was this decided?
 
2012-10-25 11:06:24 AM

jayhawk88: shivand1: cman: Why do people still shop there?

Sometimes I want to pick up ice cream, a video game, and a lego set at 3 in the morning. Walmart is the only store that caters to my shopping preferences.

I'll never forget the first time I went shopping at a 24 Hour Wal-Mart late at night. Roommate and I at college got all drunkened up and decided we desperately needed Hot Pockets or whatever at like 2 in the morning. We we drive to Wal-Mart, and there are like 50 shoppers in the place. Mom and a couple kids with a cart full of groceries. Someone trying to decide what lamp to buy.

Blew my mind. Could not figure out what these people were doing there at that hour.


Come to Toronto, Wal-Marts are always packed no matter what time of day. I don't get the whole "Hmmm, let's go grocery shopping at 11pm with a 5 kids under 5" thing, they should be asleep!

I do my best to not shop at Wal-Mart, but I'm not perfect. I can't wait until Target comes up here.
 
kab
2012-10-25 12:24:52 PM

Chigau: I don't think I would call him entirely socialist. I can say that much of what he states falls in line with the rhetoric of organised labor. I'm not going to complain bout that because i know my history and i know that many of the employment laws we enjoy today are because of the efforts of organised labor. I also know that trends in organised labor are cyclical, and currently on the decline.


I suspect that there's a lot of people out there that disagree with the notion that shareholders are more important than employees, and Wal Mart is merely an example of why.

Beyond that, when your 6 Walton folks have more wealth than the entire bottom 40% of the US population, you're surely going to draw attention to how you operate your business.
 
2012-10-25 02:14:54 PM

Girion47: I shop at Target because the girls there are hotter.


15 will get ya 20...
 
2012-10-25 02:29:22 PM

kab: Chigau: I don't think I would call him entirely socialist. I can say that much of what he states falls in line with the rhetoric of organised labor. I'm not going to complain bout that because i know my history and i know that many of the employment laws we enjoy today are because of the efforts of organised labor. I also know that trends in organised labor are cyclical, and currently on the decline.

I suspect that there's a lot of people out there that disagree with the notion that shareholders are more important than employees, and Wal Mart is merely an example of why.

Beyond that, when your 6 Walton folks have more wealth than the entire bottom 40% of the US population, you're surely going to draw attention to how you operate your business.


Per my previous statement...

I'm even OK with the idea that certain high level people should be paid less so that lower level people should be paid more... The core concept is good, its just not quite that simple. Admittedly, i seldom concern myself directly with how much the shareholders are making and rather focus on making sure that the company is at least in the black. A side effect of the economic climate.

I don't approve of a lot of WM (or big box) business practices, i just wish some would inject more reality into there anti big-box rhetoric.
 
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