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(Mother Nature Network)   A year after his awesome synchronized Halloween light display went viral, a California man's home is dark this year. Why? C) HOA (w/video of 2011 Halloween display)   (mnn.com) divider line 44
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2012-10-23 06:54:45 AM  
5 votes:

fiver5: farking wet blankets. I'd live next door to that shiat.

Bunch of dried up old coonts were the ones biatching to the HOA, I guarantee it.


Since you're the first HOA basher consider this:

I've been involved with thousands of real estate closings over a 25+ year banking career and many of those closings were transactions where the home buyer was buying in a sub-division that included an HOA. Never once have I seen a gun held to the purchasers head that saw them forced to complete the transaction. Most were well educated and all could read. All were made aware of the existence of the HOA by the closing attorney or me. All received a copy of the Covenants and Restrictions that were attached to their Deed.

NOT ONE EVER READ THEM PRIOR TO THE CLOSING THAT I RECALL.

Bottom line is that joining a HOA is a voluntary act. I have zero sympathy for 99% of the complainers. What you get from a HOA has value to you as a home owner whether you're smart enough to recognize it or not.

I'm done.
2012-10-23 05:11:58 AM  
4 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Shadow Blasko: Yeah... I uh ... I can't really complain much about this one.

The *original* super holiday lights music etc "Trans Siberian Orchestra" house was less than 2 miles from here (Mason, OH) and a farking nightmare.

I LOVE holiday decorations, but when it becomes a traffic issue, and then a public safety issue, you gotta shut it down.

The city made a place for the Mason lights display, and all is cool now.

One of my personal favorite holiday light displays is from Frisco, Texas. They also used music by TSO. Christmas Lights - Wizards in Winter


I like how he and the guy from Mason got together and compared notes and went.. Lets make it MORE AWESOME BY OUR POWERS COMBINED... instead of getting all pissy on each other.
2012-10-23 08:15:08 AM  
3 votes:
it's not like it was a surprise I'm sure. You have to sign agreements when you buy the house. OTOH, there's nothing like working with someone to solve an issue instead of calling in the Moronathon participants.

This is just a case of some small group not wanting to be confrontational and instead going to the Hall Monitors in secret so they don't get beat up in the Junior Lav.

Home Owners Associations, when Zoning Restrictions just aren't harsh enough, call the Lawn Nazi's
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2012-10-23 06:34:33 AM  
3 votes:
lining up at 2 pm in the afternoon when the show didn't start until 7:30 pm.
To watch some flashing lights for a few minutes? They sound like apple customers.
2012-10-23 06:21:36 AM  
3 votes:

RockofAges: Shadow Blasko: RockofAges: Guys! Guys!

Keep in mind that TRAFFIC PROBLEMS caused by "too awesome lights" in random suburbia is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

/the snowflakes, they keep multiplying.
//I'm with you Krispy, I'd never, ever, in my entire life, live in a place which was filled with so many helicoptering, worry-wart urbanites.


You would rather lives be endangered (and they were, this is no hypothetical, the EMS/Fire crews could not get TO the station, let alone get to the scene of a crash) than to impinge upon the right of someone to turn your street into a parking lot?

You are a serious asshole.

Mommy! The non-hypothetical fireman can't get past the flashing Christmas lights! Little Anastasia is about to lose some glitter from her new sweater!

Give me a break, junior. Your hysterical fingerpointing about a suburban "eyesore" was exposed from post one under my radar tab "CONCERN TROLL" and I have been lawlin' ever since.


Junior?

Wow. Thanks.

Have not been called that in at least 30 years.

And yeah, I have a concern. I'll admit it freely. My mom was a paramedic, and she saw quite a few people die because the ambulance crew could not get places on time due to stupid shiat.

You keep playing that "snowflake" card. I actually hate HOA's with a pretty active passion, but every once in a while they can be useful and to a good end.

Later
2012-10-23 09:49:03 PM  
2 votes:

Babwa Wawa: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It sucks that he bought his house free and clear and then that nasty HOA built up around him and forced him into it. Sad.

It sucks that he agreed to the convenant and restrictions when he bought the house and they changed to the rules after his purchase.


Did the covenant say "we'll never change the rules"? If not, I fail to see your point.
2012-10-23 08:24:30 AM  
2 votes:

Fluorescent Testicle: THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

His Thriller display was one of the most amazing things in human history.


If you lived next door I bet you wouldn't think it was so nice. I probably wouldn't mind the traffic, or lights or people standing in the my yard to see it, but the fact that it seemingly blares shiatty music non-stop would be the dealbreaker for me.
2012-10-23 07:05:35 AM  
2 votes:

jmr61: Bottom line is that joining a HOA is a voluntary act. I have zero sympathy for 99% of the complainers. What you get from a HOA has value to you as a home owner whether you're smart enough to recognize it or not.


There are two issues with HOAs: when the covenants and restrictions change after the purchase. In fact that's what happened here. Judd's display was permissible under HOA rules until the HOA made a change this year targeted at one homeowner.

I don't necessarily disagree with the HOA in this case, especially if there were issues around property damage and safety, but personal vendettas get waged through HOAs all the time.

Second, there are certain cities that force developers to form HOAs so that maintenance burdens are removed from the city (common area lawns, snow removal, etc). In those areas, it's nearly impossible for someone in the middle or lower-middle class to own a home outside of an HOA. In those areas, you can't call it completely voluntary.

I agree that in a majority of cases, people get what's coming to them - you don't really own a home in an HOA, and they should damned well know it. But it's not always cut and dried. I wouldn't even put it at 99% of the time.
2012-10-23 06:48:04 AM  
2 votes:
Commercial lighting display provider sets up demonstration display in residential area, attracting thousands of onlookers and causing serious disturbance and annoyance to neighbours. Neighbours take action to have the advertisement moved to a more appropriate area.

Erm, so what? Seems like a perfectly sensible use of HOA restrictions. It's not as if they even twisted an old rule to fit - they introduced a new rule, democratically, to deal with the problem.
2012-10-23 06:26:24 AM  
2 votes:

Shadow Blasko: because the ambulance crew could not get places on time due to stupid shiat.


Couldn't get to my house from a block away during Extreme Makeover. And I had pencil-necked security guards hassling my wife for taking the dog out on my own back yard. All this went on for a week or so.

Bear in mind, I live in a much, much smaller town. If Main Street is blocked? You're taking a thrice-as-long detour through the surrounding state forest.

*shrug*
2012-10-23 06:14:42 AM  
2 votes:

RockofAges: Guys! Guys!

Keep in mind that TRAFFIC PROBLEMS caused by "too awesome lights" in random suburbia is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

/the snowflakes, they keep multiplying.
//I'm with you Krispy, I'd never, ever, in my entire life, live in a place which was filled with so many helicoptering, worry-wart urbanites.



You would rather lives be endangered (and they were, this is no hypothetical, the EMS/Fire crews could not get TO the station, let alone get to the scene of a crash) than to impinge upon the right of someone to turn your street into a parking lot?

You are a serious asshole.
2012-10-23 05:18:25 AM  
2 votes:
People choose to live in a we're better than you neighborhood to avoid 'those types'. The price you pay may come at a price you aren't willing to pay. You really have no room to biatch being as you are an adult and you know the score. I don't live in your kind of neighborhood. Never want to be like you. I know I'm a dooshbag and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.
2012-10-23 05:16:39 AM  
2 votes:
farking wet blankets. I'd live next door to that shiat.

Bunch of dried up old coonts were the ones biatching to the HOA, I guarantee it.
2012-10-23 05:08:52 AM  
2 votes:
THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

His Thriller display was one of the most amazing things in human history.
2012-10-23 04:42:09 AM  
2 votes:
Yeah... I uh ... I can't really complain much about this one.

The *original* super holiday lights music etc "Trans Siberian Orchestra" house was less than 2 miles from here (Mason, OH) and a farking nightmare.

I LOVE holiday decorations, but when it becomes a traffic issue, and then a public safety issue, you gotta shut it down.

The city made a place for the Mason lights display, and all is cool now.
2012-10-23 05:25:38 PM  
1 votes:
http://cityguide.sheknows.com/directory/houston-tx/prestonwood-forest- nite-of-lights

And yet some entire subdivisions do it.

/Fascist HOA is Fascist.
2012-10-23 02:58:48 PM  
1 votes:
It sucks that he bought his house free and clear and then that nasty HOA built up around him and forced him into it. Sad.
Sio
2012-10-23 02:17:44 PM  
1 votes:
Here in CO they made it mandatory that all new housing developments be under an HOA, they did this in the early 90s I believe. Finding a home out here that's affordable and not in an HOA can be difficult. Even some older neighborhoods have started "voluntary" HOAs. My folks said the one in their area was trying to get a certain percentage of homeowners in the neighborhood to sign up for it, because once they got enough it would become non-voluntary but required for anyone moving into the neighborhood. I don't think they can do that, but I've never bothered to check. Neither have my parents, as the majority of the folks told the voluntary HOA to go and fark itself.

My biggest issue with HOAs is that many of them, at least out here, they can put a lien on and take your home for unpaid fees or fines. It's in the fine print a lot of people don't read. One doesn't really own their own home if the HOA can take it because you refused to pay the $200 ticket for not putting your empty cans behind the fence by 9am on trash day... or left the hose unrolled after watering the lawn. Or cut the grass to 2 inches, not the required 1 1/2, or you planted a non-approved flower, painted your mailbox the wrong shade of "seafoam tranquil green", or you left your car in the driveway after 9pm. (Yes that's a rule in many out here, no personal vehicles in driveways past 9pm, and no commercial vehicles allowed at all.)

Hubby and I are simply going to buy in a rural area where there are no HOAs. Yeah a neighbor can store 18 rusty cars in his yard, but I can paint the house day-glo orange and no one can say a thing.
2012-10-23 10:58:49 AM  
1 votes:
/CSB time: I used to live in an HOA area in North Texas. One of neighbors (old codger, Vietnam vet) went all out one summer and completely tore out his yard and replanted it with new grass, shrubs, trees, and a stream that ran through a flower garden by his driveway. It really looked cool and honestly put the rest of us to shame.

Well, a couple of months go by and he started getting letters from our HOA that he needed to remove a couple of his trees because they were not "approved species". The trees in question were Pecan, which is the state tree in Texas. He argued that as it is the state tree and has some protection on a state level, they don't have the right. They argued back that it was listed in the bylaws before he planted them and that pecans not raked up get slung by lawnmowers and cause property damage. Well, this went back and forth and he was preparing to take them to court over the matter.

While he was dissecting the bylaws to prepare his case, he decided that he would find another way to agrevate them, legally, instead of wasting time and money on something that he probably wouldn't win. In reading the bylaws he noticed that nowhere do they specify what style, design, size, or number of flower pots you can have in your yard. He removed the pecan trees (4 in total) and to cover the bare spots in the yard, he purchased 4 brand new toilets. He then ran buried water hoses to them and filled them with potting soil and flowers. When they told him to take them out, he explained that they were self watering flower pots and that there was no rules against them. The HOA threatened to rewrite the rules and my neighbor reminded them that they would be grandfathered in because they don't violate a city code and he would be exempt, although new owners would have to remove them.

I moved out in 2007 and the toilets were still there in the yard. Honestly, they don't look really bad the way he landscaped them in, but it will make you do a double take when you drive by.
2012-10-23 10:17:27 AM  
1 votes:
I've been around here long enough to know these threads will always be dominated by HOA hatred, but I am a little perplexed by the number of people biatching about dried up coonts (et.al.) who cannot deal with the minor inconvenience these things cause. I love light displays as much as the next guy, but I think a lot of you must never have seen these things live. For the bigger ones it can literally gridlock the entire neighborhood for weeks at a time. Every other resident in the neighborhood is dealing with littering lawnstompers, an evening commute lengthened by an hour or more, noise, and the aforementioned inaccessibility for emergency vehicles.

I haven't been to see this so I don't know how serious the issues are in this case, but I do know that dismissing legitimate complaints of large numbers of other residents in the area as ridiculous carping by olds and whiners is just stupid.
2012-10-23 10:14:51 AM  
1 votes:

karmachameleon: abfalter: Homeowners associations are the deepest darkest refuge for evil that walks on this earth.

So, don't buy into one.

I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?


This is really not an issue that you can understand without moving out of your parent's basement and trying to buy a home in a decent suburb with good schools. What I'm trying to say is, you will never have an understanding or a valid opinion on this issue.
2012-10-23 09:55:09 AM  
1 votes:

karmachameleon: I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?


The issues with HOAs arise when the covenants and restrictions are modified, post-sale, and targeted to specific homeowners. They also arise when you have significant swathes of areas where HOAs are the only option for middle-income buyers.
2012-10-23 09:50:32 AM  
1 votes:

abfalter: Homeowners associations are the deepest darkest refuge for evil that walks on this earth.


So, don't buy into one.

I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?
2012-10-23 08:26:22 AM  
1 votes:
Agreed, HOAs are for people who aren't satisfied with codes, covenants, or zoning restrictions.
Oh, sure, they're fine up to a point, but they have this habit of strolling right past that point, casually as you please. One day, they're walking by to make sure your front lawn is mowed, the next day, they are going onto your property and looking over your fence to make sure the back one's mowed too.
Now, that's something even the police aren't allowed to do without probable cause. But even 3 administrations later, they still do it in spite of a court injunction reminding them that they can't do that.
2012-10-23 08:19:03 AM  
1 votes:

machoprogrammer: I can't believe I am on the side of a HOA. Christmas lights and Halloween light displays are stupid and a waste of electricity.


And yet, here you are posting on Fark.....
2012-10-23 08:14:12 AM  
1 votes:

jmr61: Bottom line is that joining a HOA is a voluntary act


We are fast approaching the point where HOAs are as voluntary as mandatory arbitration clauses. In many areas HOAs on new constructions have already reached saturation.
2012-10-23 07:57:59 AM  
1 votes:
I actually prefer this. Enjoy the singing pumpkins.

Link

/and fark you HOA for ruining it for everyone, and also the tards that went to see it, and caused problems.
2012-10-23 07:12:53 AM  
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: 've heard that in some areas of the country (particularly out West


Virginia Beach is a geographically large city. In the 70s and 80s, they limited high density development to "strategic growth areas" to prevent sprawl and preserve farm land. If you wanted to build outside of it, you had to have a minimum of 10 acres or something like that. Within the strategic growth areas, they mandated HOAs.

HOAs are good for the city, because they offload maintenance cost from the city, and in many cases they are good for the homeowners because the services are much more responsive to individuals. My dad's little area of Green Run is primarily a dump of lower middle class people, but they have 4 pools, a bunch of other common use facilities, and the HOA fees are ridiculously low.

But for the middle class and lower middle class in VB, HOA membership is pretty much a mandatory part of home ownership.
2012-10-23 07:03:55 AM  
1 votes:

jmr61: Bottom line is that joining a HOA is a voluntary act.


I've heard that in some areas of the country (particularly out West), it's pretty much impossible to find a home that doesn't belong to some sort of an HOA.

Doesn't seem so far-fetched to me, although I don't know if this area was such a case. Seems to me that there are situations where- if you'd like to live somewhere in a 200 mile radius- living outside an HOA is very probably not optional. If that is the case, why would you bat an eyelash at that clause in the contract?

Also, the guy isn't complaining, near as I can tell. So there's no one for you to have sympathy for in the first place here.
2012-10-23 06:59:49 AM  
1 votes:
I think HOAs should be outlawed and people who support them should be shot into the moon. However, I can highly sympathize with the neighbors and support efforts to... Discourage displays that large.
2012-10-23 06:39:14 AM  
1 votes:

RockofAges: Personally I think we should just kill fun and get it over with. That guy is an asshole anyways, and he costs precious money.


The synchronized show is one thing. North of me here in CT, in the almost-as-small town of Ballouville, there used to be a guy we used to call "Mr. Christmas". His name was Whipple, and he was known for several states around as having one of the largest, most extravagant collections of Christmas lights and decorations anyone had ever seen.

Melvin Whipple's Christmas Wonderland.

He just kinda... built it up over years and years. And then, when people started to take notice, he basically turned his home into a theme park. For many, many years as a kid, taking a trip to this little miniature, DIY Christmas Theme Park was just something you did- something a lot of area families did, in fact.

Good thing HOAs weren't in that equation. They'd have Bah-Humbugged that square between the eyes from 500 yards away.
2012-10-23 06:30:44 AM  
1 votes:

RockofAges: Well... bye.

/I have serious tears for the deaths caused by the growing threat of offensively awesome Christmas lights.
//You should take that tearjerker to your local, high-class school and tell all of the local urbanites about the deathly dangers of allowing traffic congestion in suburban areas. Or write a new "Derpy Potter" series about the notion, to sort of raise awareness.


Do you think that, just maybe, you could try to be a teeny tiny little bit less of a douchebag? It's very distracting to scroll past and might cause a bottleneck in the thread.
2012-10-23 06:11:43 AM  
1 votes:

RockofAges: Guys! Guys!

Keep in mind that TRAFFIC PROBLEMS caused by "too awesome lights" in random suburbia is SERIOUS BUSINESS.

/the snowflakes, they keep multiplying.
//I'm with you Krispy, I'd never, ever, in my entire life, live in a place which was filled with so many helicoptering, worry-wart urbanites.


Four years later, the Girard "castle" still causes traffic slow-downs as people slow down to gawp at it. Hell, I've heard the Girard family's had people they don't know just drop in out of the blue and ask for a tour of their home. That's balls.

I'm betting- were there an HOA in my neighborhood- they'd have been happy to let the Girards remain homeless.
2012-10-23 05:59:49 AM  
1 votes:
Well what else can you expect from a HOA if you live in one your life isn't yours anymore
2012-10-23 05:59:02 AM  
1 votes:
How about Christmas lights set to Slayer?
2012-10-23 05:38:43 AM  
1 votes:
But don't forget, he owns his place, not like some stupid renter. You real estate zombies are truly moronic. If it isn't city hall telling you what you can't do, it's the neighbors. Pay your taxes! It's your house! You own it!
2012-10-23 05:33:08 AM  
1 votes:

ExperianScaresCthulhu: That was inventive and well done... but it doesn't have anything to do with the birth of christ.


But enough about December 25th.
2012-10-23 05:28:53 AM  
1 votes:

fiver5: AMERICA! fark YEAH!! public safety droopy penis.


Slow your burn there man.

The Mason Ohio display became a problem because there is already a serious traffic problem out here.

I grew up in this area, and while some of the roads have gone to 5 lane systems, a large percentage of them are still essentially two lane country roads that are supporting 40 years worth of suburban sprawl.

Mostly the problem is that there are three counties that converge in the area, and they all have different priorities. It is also non-incorporated so the fire department is volunteer.

The main fire station/ambulance is on the same road that leads into the sub-division where the huge Mason Christmas lights display was located, and every night from Thanksgiving to New Years it was bumper to bumper traffic trying to get in there.

Because that station dispatches to some nearby HUGE retail areas... wrecks would sit for 30 or 40 minutes before fire or ambulance could get there because of the congestion.

It was just common sense that it had to be moved somewhere else... no BS involved.
2012-10-23 05:20:30 AM  
1 votes:
HOA's are a pain in the ass. On the upside, he did get some massive PR for his company.
2012-10-23 05:18:58 AM  
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: Bathia_Mapes: Shadow Blasko: Yeah... I uh ... I can't really complain much about this one.

The *original* super holiday lights music etc "Trans Siberian Orchestra" house was less than 2 miles from here (Mason, OH) and a farking nightmare.

I LOVE holiday decorations, but when it becomes a traffic issue, and then a public safety issue, you gotta shut it down.

The city made a place for the Mason lights display, and all is cool now.

One of my personal favorite holiday light displays is from Frisco, Texas. They also used music by TSO. Christmas Lights - Wizards in Winter

I like how he and the guy from Mason got together and compared notes and went.. Lets make it MORE AWESOME BY OUR POWERS COMBINED... instead of getting all pissy on each other.


Indeed.
2012-10-23 05:18:36 AM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Shadow Blasko: Yeah... I uh ... I can't really complain much about this one.

The *original* super holiday lights music etc "Trans Siberian Orchestra" house was less than 2 miles from here (Mason, OH) and a farking nightmare.

I LOVE holiday decorations, but when it becomes a traffic issue, and then a public safety issue, you gotta shut it down.

The city made a place for the Mason lights display, and all is cool now.

One of my personal favorite holiday light displays is from Frisco, Texas. They also used music by TSO. Christmas Lights - Wizards in Winter


That was inventive and well done... but it doesn't have anything to do with the birth of christ.
2012-10-23 05:18:16 AM  
1 votes:

fiver5: farking wet blankets. I'd live next door to that shiat.

Bunch of dried up old coonts were the ones biatching to the HOA, I guarantee it.


Or, you know... the fire department, police, or sheriff biatching about traffic. That's how it went down here.

The HOA was just the fastest way to take care of the problem on a legal level, so that is the route that is used.

At least we got a happy ending here.
2012-10-23 05:05:23 AM  
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: Yeah... I uh ... I can't really complain much about this one.

The *original* super holiday lights music etc "Trans Siberian Orchestra" house was less than 2 miles from here (Mason, OH) and a farking nightmare.

I LOVE holiday decorations, but when it becomes a traffic issue, and then a public safety issue, you gotta shut it down.

The city made a place for the Mason lights display, and all is cool now.


One of my personal favorite holiday light displays is from Frisco, Texas. They also used music by TSO. Christmas Lights - Wizards in Winter
2012-10-23 04:40:55 AM  
1 votes:
As awesome as that is, I'd take out my shotgun for those window zombies if I lived across the street.
 
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