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(Mother Nature Network)   A year after his awesome synchronized Halloween light display went viral, a California man's home is dark this year. Why? C) HOA (w/video of 2011 Halloween display)   (mnn.com) divider line 86
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2012-10-23 07:57:59 AM
I actually prefer this. Enjoy the singing pumpkins.

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/and fark you HOA for ruining it for everyone, and also the tards that went to see it, and caused problems.
 
2012-10-23 08:10:47 AM
Bummer, but what can you do the complainers always have more rights then those who enjoy fun.
 
2012-10-23 08:11:21 AM
I can't believe I am on the side of a HOA. Christmas lights and Halloween light displays are stupid and a waste of electricity.
 
2012-10-23 08:14:12 AM

jmr61: Bottom line is that joining a HOA is a voluntary act


We are fast approaching the point where HOAs are as voluntary as mandatory arbitration clauses. In many areas HOAs on new constructions have already reached saturation.
 
2012-10-23 08:15:08 AM
it's not like it was a surprise I'm sure. You have to sign agreements when you buy the house. OTOH, there's nothing like working with someone to solve an issue instead of calling in the Moronathon participants.

This is just a case of some small group not wanting to be confrontational and instead going to the Hall Monitors in secret so they don't get beat up in the Junior Lav.

Home Owners Associations, when Zoning Restrictions just aren't harsh enough, call the Lawn Nazi's
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2012-10-23 08:19:03 AM

machoprogrammer: I can't believe I am on the side of a HOA. Christmas lights and Halloween light displays are stupid and a waste of electricity.


And yet, here you are posting on Fark.....
 
2012-10-23 08:24:30 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

His Thriller display was one of the most amazing things in human history.


If you lived next door I bet you wouldn't think it was so nice. I probably wouldn't mind the traffic, or lights or people standing in the my yard to see it, but the fact that it seemingly blares shiatty music non-stop would be the dealbreaker for me.
 
2012-10-23 08:26:22 AM
Agreed, HOAs are for people who aren't satisfied with codes, covenants, or zoning restrictions.
Oh, sure, they're fine up to a point, but they have this habit of strolling right past that point, casually as you please. One day, they're walking by to make sure your front lawn is mowed, the next day, they are going onto your property and looking over your fence to make sure the back one's mowed too.
Now, that's something even the police aren't allowed to do without probable cause. But even 3 administrations later, they still do it in spite of a court injunction reminding them that they can't do that.
 
2012-10-23 08:49:43 AM
Homeowners associations are the deepest darkest refuge for evil that walks on this earth.
 
2012-10-23 09:13:04 AM
Yeah... I uh ... I can't really complain much about this one.
I LOVE holiday decorations, but when it becomes a traffic issue, and then a public safety issue, you gotta shut it down.

Public safety issue? Really?

Do you even remember life before middle age?
 
2012-10-23 09:36:54 AM

jmr61: fiver5: farking wet blankets. I'd live next door to that shiat.

Bunch of dried up old coonts were the ones biatching to the HOA, I guarantee it.

Since you're the first HOA basher consider this:

I've been involved with thousands of real estate closings over a 25+ year banking career and many of those closings were transactions where the home buyer was buying in a sub-division that included an HOA. Never once have I seen a gun held to the purchasers head that saw them forced to complete the transaction. Most were well educated and all could read. All were made aware of the existence of the HOA by the closing attorney or me. All received a copy of the Covenants and Restrictions that were attached to their Deed.

NOT ONE EVER READ THEM PRIOR TO THE CLOSING THAT I RECALL.

Bottom line is that joining a HOA is a voluntary act. I have zero sympathy for 99% of the complainers. What you get from a HOA has value to you as a home owner whether you're smart enough to recognize it or not.

I'm done.


Well mister, just so you know, I was also given my covenants, and I read them, from end to end... TWICE... before closing.

Yes I read them twice.

That does not change what I originally said about dried up coonts complaining. Just read this thread. The dried up coonts are complaining in here too. I made no statements about the overall benefits or detractions of an HOA in and of itself.

I was just talking about dried up coonts dude. They are everywhere. In fact, if you look hard enough....


Oh nevermind.
 
2012-10-23 09:39:22 AM
the HOA's right to ban that but IT IS TOTALLY EFFING AWESOME.
 
2012-10-23 09:40:03 AM

abhorrent1: lining up at 2 pm in the afternoon when the show didn't start until 7:30 pm.
To watch some flashing lights for a few minutes? They sound like apple customers.



I lol'd
 
2012-10-23 09:45:35 AM

SkunkWerks: And these people are whinging because of a thousand people over a couple weeks? I guess when you're that bored you can find anything to complain about.


Some people are just wired differently. Has nothing to do with boredom.
 
2012-10-23 09:49:57 AM

abhorrent1: lining up at 2 pm in the afternoon when the show didn't start until 7:30 pm.
To watch some flashing lights for a few minutes? They sound like apple customers.


But most people wouldn't know how to operate it, so they sound like Microsoft losers.
 
2012-10-23 09:50:32 AM

abfalter: Homeowners associations are the deepest darkest refuge for evil that walks on this earth.


So, don't buy into one.

I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?
 
2012-10-23 09:54:48 AM

Another Government Employee: I can sort of understand. Too bad they couldn't come up with a good compromise.


The compromise would be to enjoy the season. There is a family that has been doing a christmas display in a town near my parents for the last half century.

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2012-10-23 09:55:09 AM

karmachameleon: I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?


The issues with HOAs arise when the covenants and restrictions are modified, post-sale, and targeted to specific homeowners. They also arise when you have significant swathes of areas where HOAs are the only option for middle-income buyers.
 
2012-10-23 10:12:30 AM

StoPPeRmobile: Some people are just wired differently. Has nothing to do with boredom.


For instance: some people are "wired" to find boring things fun.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:51 AM

karmachameleon: abfalter: Homeowners associations are the deepest darkest refuge for evil that walks on this earth.

So, don't buy into one.

I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?


This is really not an issue that you can understand without moving out of your parent's basement and trying to buy a home in a decent suburb with good schools. What I'm trying to say is, you will never have an understanding or a valid opinion on this issue.
 
2012-10-23 10:17:27 AM
I've been around here long enough to know these threads will always be dominated by HOA hatred, but I am a little perplexed by the number of people biatching about dried up coonts (et.al.) who cannot deal with the minor inconvenience these things cause. I love light displays as much as the next guy, but I think a lot of you must never have seen these things live. For the bigger ones it can literally gridlock the entire neighborhood for weeks at a time. Every other resident in the neighborhood is dealing with littering lawnstompers, an evening commute lengthened by an hour or more, noise, and the aforementioned inaccessibility for emergency vehicles.

I haven't been to see this so I don't know how serious the issues are in this case, but I do know that dismissing legitimate complaints of large numbers of other residents in the area as ridiculous carping by olds and whiners is just stupid.
 
2012-10-23 10:17:49 AM

manimal2878: Fluorescent Testicle: THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.

His Thriller display was one of the most amazing things in human history.

If you lived next door I bet you wouldn't think it was so nice. I probably wouldn't mind the traffic, or lights or people standing in the my yard to see it, but the fact that it seemingly blares shiatty music non-stop would be the dealbreaker for me.


I thought displays like this broadcast the music on a radio frequency...
 
2012-10-23 10:25:06 AM

KrispyKritter: People choose to live in a we're better than you neighborhood to avoid 'those types'. The price you pay may come at a price you aren't willing to pay. You really have no room to biatch being as you are an adult and you know the score. I don't live in your kind of neighborhood. Never want to be like you. I know I'm a dooshbag and I'm not going to pretend otherwise.


I'd choose getting hit repeatedly in the nuts with a hammer over ever living in an HOA again.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:09 AM
My question is what authority does an HOA have and from where is it derived?
 
2012-10-23 10:58:49 AM
/CSB time: I used to live in an HOA area in North Texas. One of neighbors (old codger, Vietnam vet) went all out one summer and completely tore out his yard and replanted it with new grass, shrubs, trees, and a stream that ran through a flower garden by his driveway. It really looked cool and honestly put the rest of us to shame.

Well, a couple of months go by and he started getting letters from our HOA that he needed to remove a couple of his trees because they were not "approved species". The trees in question were Pecan, which is the state tree in Texas. He argued that as it is the state tree and has some protection on a state level, they don't have the right. They argued back that it was listed in the bylaws before he planted them and that pecans not raked up get slung by lawnmowers and cause property damage. Well, this went back and forth and he was preparing to take them to court over the matter.

While he was dissecting the bylaws to prepare his case, he decided that he would find another way to agrevate them, legally, instead of wasting time and money on something that he probably wouldn't win. In reading the bylaws he noticed that nowhere do they specify what style, design, size, or number of flower pots you can have in your yard. He removed the pecan trees (4 in total) and to cover the bare spots in the yard, he purchased 4 brand new toilets. He then ran buried water hoses to them and filled them with potting soil and flowers. When they told him to take them out, he explained that they were self watering flower pots and that there was no rules against them. The HOA threatened to rewrite the rules and my neighbor reminded them that they would be grandfathered in because they don't violate a city code and he would be exempt, although new owners would have to remove them.

I moved out in 2007 and the toilets were still there in the yard. Honestly, they don't look really bad the way he landscaped them in, but it will make you do a double take when you drive by.
 
2012-10-23 12:52:56 PM
Anyone know of a site where I can upload a 3-5 minute video of my house at dusk and they overlay decorations and a light show? I think this would be fun to mess with my children in five to ten years from now, or my wife when she starts going senile enough.
 
Sio
2012-10-23 02:17:44 PM
Here in CO they made it mandatory that all new housing developments be under an HOA, they did this in the early 90s I believe. Finding a home out here that's affordable and not in an HOA can be difficult. Even some older neighborhoods have started "voluntary" HOAs. My folks said the one in their area was trying to get a certain percentage of homeowners in the neighborhood to sign up for it, because once they got enough it would become non-voluntary but required for anyone moving into the neighborhood. I don't think they can do that, but I've never bothered to check. Neither have my parents, as the majority of the folks told the voluntary HOA to go and fark itself.

My biggest issue with HOAs is that many of them, at least out here, they can put a lien on and take your home for unpaid fees or fines. It's in the fine print a lot of people don't read. One doesn't really own their own home if the HOA can take it because you refused to pay the $200 ticket for not putting your empty cans behind the fence by 9am on trash day... or left the hose unrolled after watering the lawn. Or cut the grass to 2 inches, not the required 1 1/2, or you planted a non-approved flower, painted your mailbox the wrong shade of "seafoam tranquil green", or you left your car in the driveway after 9pm. (Yes that's a rule in many out here, no personal vehicles in driveways past 9pm, and no commercial vehicles allowed at all.)

Hubby and I are simply going to buy in a rural area where there are no HOAs. Yeah a neighbor can store 18 rusty cars in his yard, but I can paint the house day-glo orange and no one can say a thing.
 
2012-10-23 02:49:21 PM

Sio: Hubby and I are simply going to buy in a rural area where there are no HOAs. Yeah a neighbor can store 18 rusty cars in his yard, but I can paint the house day-glo orange and no one can say a thing.


Hey..I only have one car...and it isn't rusty!

Just don't mind the deer bones.....the dogs like to drag them into the yard.

Also, the less said about the mailbox, the better.

/can't see my neighbors
 
2012-10-23 02:58:48 PM
It sucks that he bought his house free and clear and then that nasty HOA built up around him and forced him into it. Sad.
 
2012-10-23 03:22:27 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It sucks that he bought his house free and clear and then that nasty HOA built up around him and forced him into it. Sad.


It sucks that he agreed to the convenant and restrictions when he bought the house and they changed to the rules after his purchase.
 
2012-10-23 05:25:38 PM
http://cityguide.sheknows.com/directory/houston-tx/prestonwood-forest- nite-of-lights

And yet some entire subdivisions do it.

/Fascist HOA is Fascist.
 
2012-10-23 09:49:03 PM

Babwa Wawa: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: It sucks that he bought his house free and clear and then that nasty HOA built up around him and forced him into it. Sad.

It sucks that he agreed to the convenant and restrictions when he bought the house and they changed to the rules after his purchase.


Did the covenant say "we'll never change the rules"? If not, I fail to see your point.
 
2012-10-24 06:47:40 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Did the covenant say "we'll never change the rules"? If not, I fail to see your point.


No, but when the rules are changed to target a specific homeowner or applied inconsistently, then it's, well, wrong. That didn't happen here, but it does happen, and fairly frequently.

And there are a lot of posts upthread of environments where it's difficult or impossible to find middle-income homes that can be had without an HOA.

But anywho I don't really give a enough of a shiat to argue this further.
 
2012-10-24 09:19:41 PM

Bender The Offender: karmachameleon: abfalter: Homeowners associations are the deepest darkest refuge for evil that walks on this earth.

So, don't buy into one.

I seriously don't get the hate for HOAs on Fark. If you don't like them, don't be involved with one. Simple as that. If you're not in one, why the constant complaining? What does it matter to you? It's like all the douchebags complaining about Apple computer products...if you're not one of their customers, why should they or anyone else care what you think? If you don't live in an HOA and never plan to, why do you think your opinion of HOAs is relevant? Who are you talking to, and why should they care?

This is really not an issue that you can understand without moving out of your parent's basement and trying to buy a home in a decent suburb with good schools. What I'm trying to say is, you will never have an understanding or a valid opinion on this issue.


Wow, what a great argument. (eyeroll) I am a long-time homeowner, and yes, my current house is under an HOA. I've been here 6+ years and it's never been a problem, I actually agree with all the rules and am glad my neighbors and I abide by them. If I didn't want to be under an HOA, I would have bought a different house, and that's what I suggest the rest of you HOA haters do.

Babwa Wawa: The issues with HOAs arise when the covenants and restrictions are modified, post-sale, and targeted to specific homeowners. They also arise when you have significant swathes of areas where HOAs are the only option for middle-income buyers.

Now that is a legitimate argument, you might learn something from Babwa, Bender.

Babwa, I agree that could be an issue if every neighborhood in a large radius were under HOAs. I honestly don't know if that's the case anywhere or not. I would agree if that was the case somewhere, something should be done about that, but it still doesn't warrant hating HOAs, per se. It's just business.
 
2012-10-24 11:44:51 PM
One of the first big synched displays, and probably the best documented: Lindsay Lights, Thornhill, Ontario

Created by two engineer brothers, the display started big and got unbelievable before going on hiatus a couple years ago due to familial obligations. Their Wizards show was 2005 (the multi-angle video is the best.) The entire house, yard and several 40+-foot-tall trees are strung for the shows.
 
2012-10-25 07:26:57 AM

karmachameleon: Babwa, I agree that could be an issue if every neighborhood in a large radius were under HOAs. I honestly don't know if that's the case anywhere or not.


I have a post upthread where I talk about virginia beach. Since the 70s-80s, developers have not been able to build any homes on less than 10 acres without an HOA. The HOAs are responsible for commons maintenance, recreation facility maintenance, etc.

Overall it's not a bad deal - city gets to offload cost, homeowners get a real say in how their neighborhood is run if they want, and I honestly believe it's an efficient way to run things in temperate climates where you don't need a lot of city services like snow removal. My understanding is that this model is also fairly common out west.

For all its benefits, I would do my damndest to get out, because there's significant risk to living in an HOA. All the common use gazebos and pools in the world isn't worth having another potential private party lienholder on my property. But if I lived and worked in VB, I believe I'd need $250k income to be able to move below the green line where houses are sparse enough not to require an HOA.
 
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