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(Jezebel)   Why dudes' nuts should shrivel at the thought of a Romney presidency   (jezebel.com) divider line 58
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2012-10-23 01:23:37 AM  
I don't know any men who would read a Jezebel screed. So it was wasted.
 
2012-10-23 01:37:40 AM  
What a dumb biatch.
 
2012-10-23 02:37:31 AM  
Oh, for fark's sake.
 
2012-10-23 02:44:54 AM  
WTF am I reading?
 
wee
2012-10-23 03:41:01 AM  
I refuse to read certain things based on their source. That list is really, really small. Jezebel is in the top three.

Why would anyone waste their time reading that nonsense?
 
2012-10-23 11:38:34 AM  

wee: I refuse to read certain things based on their source. That list is really, really small. Jezebel is in the top three.

Why would anyone waste their time reading that nonsense?


Jezebel>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>American Stinker et al. Not that I'm defending Jezebel, but there are WAY worse publications on the internet.
 
2012-10-23 11:39:56 AM  
See! The War on Women is a fallacy. Romenybot and the GOP have been stuck in a Kill all Humans mode.
 
2012-10-23 11:43:59 AM  
I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...
 
2012-10-23 11:45:53 AM  
Ugh, silly Jezebel. Do they not understand this late in the game, there are two groups of men vis-a-vis women:

The ones who already understand this and are voting Obama anyway, and the ones for whatever reason just don't give a fark and aren't going to read a Jezebel article anyway.

Yeah, it's nice to publish stuff like this, sound like you're trying to do the right thing, and get a nice ego stroke out of it and feel righteous, but in the end what's the point?
 
2012-10-23 11:46:29 AM  
On point 4, I really don't think gay men are voting strongly for a Romney president... yeah, I think they're not the ones you should be preaching to.
 
2012-10-23 11:46:40 AM  
Yep, go back to no sex before marriage.

Oh, Joy!
 
2012-10-23 11:47:28 AM  
Here, Let me fight off any wiener shriveling Rmoney may be causing you...

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2012-10-23 11:48:14 AM  

Smelly McUgly: I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...


1. Your one night stand could be a one life headache.
2. The end of dating as we know it.
3. What if your wife/sister/girlfriend/mother gets raped or has a severely health-threatening pregnancy?
4. Gay guys? Mitt Romney wants to add an amendment to the constitution to restrict your right to marry the person of your choice.
5. So you're a responsible guy who lives as a respectable citizen of Romn-erica, only having sex with your subservient Kolob-sanctioned wife and earning the millions of dollars necessary to pay for health care for your giant brood without having to rely on the government. You're still going to pay for this, one way or another.
 
2012-10-23 11:48:22 AM  

maddermaxx: On point 4, I really don't think gay men are voting strongly for a Romney president... yeah, I think they're not the ones you should be preaching to.


There are depressingly-more gay Republicans than you might think. I have multiple gay FB friends who post all kinds of pro-Rmoney derp.
 
2012-10-23 11:49:03 AM  

Smelly McUgly: I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...


"Like getting laid without all those nasty drawbacks? Vote Obama."
 
2012-10-23 11:56:31 AM  
This entire argument is based on the premise farts smell bad.

Most people enjoy the smell of their own farts.

Citation not needed.
 
2012-10-23 12:00:00 PM  

LectertheChef: Smelly McUgly: I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...

1. Your one night stand could be a one life headache.
2. The end of dating as we know it.
3. What if your wife/sister/girlfriend/mother gets raped or has a severely health-threatening pregnancy?
4. Gay guys? Mitt Romney wants to add an amendment to the constitution to restrict your right to marry the person of your choice.
5. So you're a responsible guy who lives as a respectable citizen of Romn-erica, only having sex with your subservient Kolob-sanctioned wife and earning the millions of dollars necessary to pay for health care for your giant brood without having to rely on the government. You're still going to pay for this, one way or another.


Thank you.
 
2012-10-23 12:08:19 PM  
Obvious article is obvious. I often* tell single guys that if they want to keep having sex with women, they should stop villifying those sex-having women by calling them sluts. It's that whole unintended consequences thing.

*not really often, just a time or two.
 
2012-10-23 12:09:50 PM  

wee: I refuse to read certain things based on their source. That list is really, really small. Jezebel is in the top three.

Why would anyone waste their time reading that nonsense?


That site would be on your top three?
WND, The Stinker, Townhall, Breitbart, the editorial page of Investor's Business Daily, the Blaze, CNSNews, the Daily Caller, and anything with Krauthammer in the byline - you don't have at least three of those on that list above Jezebel?
 
2012-10-23 12:15:50 PM  
What's funny is that after reading that I have something to remember when liberals go on about how "crazy" WND or Freepers are. You are as crazy as you think people who disagree with you are.
 
2012-10-23 12:30:10 PM  
Not that I'm surprised, this being a Jezebel article and all, but damn was that some sexist shiat. Not to mention hyperbolic. Fortunately for them I was already planning to vote for Obama, because this would not really have done much to convince me otherwise...
 
2012-10-23 12:33:57 PM  

LectertheChef: Smelly McUgly: I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...

1. Your one night stand could be a one life headache. Pregnancy
2. The end of dating as we know it. Pregnancy
3. What if your wife/sister/girlfriend/mother gets raped or has a severely health-threatening pregnancy?
4. Gay guys? Mitt Romney wants to add an amendment to the constitution to restrict your right to marry the person of your choice.
5. So you're a responsible guy who lives as a respectable citizen of Romn-erica, only having sex with your subservient Kolob-sanctioned wife and earning the millions of dollars necessary to pay for health care for your giant brood without having to rely on the government. You're still going to pay for this, one way or another.


A little more succinct, and easier to decipher.
 
2012-10-23 12:37:34 PM  

Cletus C.: This entire argument is based on the premise farts smell bad.

Most people enjoy the smell of their own farts.

Citation not needed.


Yes but under Romney there will be mandatory Dutch ovens.
 
2012-10-23 12:49:48 PM  
i18.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-23 12:50:09 PM  
Couldn't get past the first paragraph.
 
2012-10-23 12:54:55 PM  
Even as a libtard the concern of this article made me nauseous.
 
2012-10-23 12:58:26 PM  

Smelly McUgly: I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...


1) Expect to pay a lot more child support if you have casual sex since birth control and abortion are endangered
2) Expect to have a lot less per-marital sex because sex will be riskier for women
3) Expect to have less marital sex because being married does not mean you can afford to turn your wife's cooch into a clown car.
4) Expect to raise the bastards of rapists.
 
2012-10-23 01:03:02 PM  
the health care bill forces insurance companies to charge the same rate for men and women desptie the fact that women consume much much more medicine than men do. at my age womens insurance is double that of mens because of this. i dont want to be forced to subsidize the medicine of women. especially when, for example, there is no public outcry that mens car insurance is more expensive. people should pay for the things they want, other people should not be forced to pay it for them.

"but women need that medicine to stay healthy" seems to be the argument. Well as a man i need about double the daily calories to stay healthy. Does that mean that women should be forced to subsidize my grocery bill? feminism is about mitigating the disadvantages of women while ignoring or exacerbating the disadvantages of men. and that is sexism.
 
2012-10-23 01:15:38 PM  
Stopped reading when he author started ranting about how Romney wants to make birth control "less accessible." Which is a bold-faced lie. Nobody on the right at all is talking about banning the pill. All we are doing is opposing yet-to-take-effect changes that would force people who believe birth control is wrong to pay for it. So, in other words, to keep -and not change - the current status quo. Is birth control accessible now? Then stop whining. We are trying to stop a change on that issue, not to force a change.

This whole "war on women" narrative is based on total misrepresentation and out-right lies.
 
2012-10-23 01:15:48 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: the health care bill forces insurance companies to charge the same rate for men and women desptie the fact that women consume much much more medicine than men do. at my age womens insurance is double that of mens because of this. i dont want to be forced to subsidize the medicine of women. especially when, for example, there is no public outcry that mens car insurance is more expensive. people should pay for the things they want, other people should not be forced to pay it for them.

"but women need that medicine to stay healthy" seems to be the argument. Well as a man i need about double the daily calories to stay healthy. Does that mean that women should be forced to subsidize my grocery bill? feminism is about mitigating the disadvantages of women while ignoring or exacerbating the disadvantages of men. and that is sexism.


Actually, women do visit doctors more often than men, and until about the age of 50, they do spend more on health care. At fifty, the situations reverse in a big way. Most of the cost of care for women is regular check-ups. We need pap smears (a very cheap test) every year, so we get a general checkup once a year. Now, there's nothing really expensive about preventative care, but over a 30 year span it adds up. And child birth and the the related pre- and post-natal care is very costly. (This is one of the reasons insurance companies were falling over themselves to eliminate the co-pay for birth control. The other is that birth control which could cost a woman a couple thousand dollars out-of-pocket would cost the insurance companies a tiny fraction of that amount.)

So, for about thirty years, women a spending a small, steady amount (except for pregnancy) compared to men who spend virtually nothing. Then guys hit fifty. All those things they've been ignoring for the last 30 years? Yeah, they're a LOT more costly to treat. Women have fewer problems over fifty than man, and they tend to be less expensive because regular check-ups mean early detection. Early detection means cheaper and easier to treat. Do you think it would be a good idea if we all agreed not to cover the crippling costs of health care for men over 50?
 
2012-10-23 01:21:25 PM  
actually women cost much more to insure than men even at old age because women live about 6 years longer.
 
2012-10-23 01:24:28 PM  

Cato: Stopped reading when he author started ranting about how Romney wants to make birth control "less accessible." Which is a bold-faced lie. Nobody on the right at all is talking about banning the pill. All we are doing is opposing yet-to-take-effect changes that would force people who believe birth control is wrong to pay for it. So, in other words, to keep -and not change - the current status quo. Is birth control accessible now? Then stop whining. We are trying to stop a change on that issue, not to force a change.

This whole "war on women" narrative is based on total misrepresentation and out-right lies.


Fine... you no wanna pay for birth control??? I no wanna pay for boner pills...so jerk on that limp bayonet.

You no wanna pay for my tubal ligation so I can play woithout paying, then I no pay for your de-nutting so you can.

I am pretty sure these two acts along constitute a war on women.
 
2012-10-23 01:25:24 PM  

Cato: Stopped reading when he author started ranting about how Romney wants to make birth control "less accessible." Which is a bold-faced lie. Nobody on the right at all is talking about banning the pill. All we are doing is opposing yet-to-take-effect changes that would force people who believe birth control is wrong to pay for it. So, in other words, to keep -and not change - the current status quo. Is birth control accessible now? Then stop whining. We are trying to stop a change on that issue, not to force a change.

This whole "war on women" narrative is based on total misrepresentation and out-right lies.


Romney chose a running mate who has come down against contraception. He wants to defund Planned Parenthood, a major provider of birth control to working poor women and college students. Romney also wants to cut Medicaid, a program that provides things like birth control to the destitute. Romney wants to eliminate Obamacare which allows women's insurance premium payments to cover the full cost of birth control as a measure to cut the exorbitant costs of unplanned pregnancies.

Yes, it's true that Romney has never specifically said he want to make it harder for women to get birth control. Of course, his policies WILL make it harder for women to get birth control, but words speak louder than actions.
 
2012-10-23 01:25:54 PM  
another example of cheaper mens healthcare at old age is prostate cancer vs breast cancer. breast cancer is extremely life threatening and aggressive so it has to be treated immediately. prostate cancer is slow growing and it is likely that a man will die of other causes before the cancer is a threat. thats why doctors are starting to stop prostate cancer screaning exams but breast exams and cervix exams are common. women are more expensive at all ages.
 
2012-10-23 01:26:08 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: actually women cost much more to insure than men even at old age because women live about 6 years longer.


Nope, they tend to die of less expensive things.
 
2012-10-23 01:44:20 PM  

Cato: This whole "war on women" narrative is based on total misrepresentation and out-right lies.


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In February 2012, Republican Congressman Darrell Issa convened an all-male panel addressing contraceptive mandates for health insurers. He did not allow Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown University Law Center student, to participate in the hearing.[74] Democratic Representatives then staged a separate panel where Fluke was allowed to speak. Later that month, American conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh controversially called Sandra Fluke a "slut" and "prostitute" and continued in similar fashion for the next two days.[75] Foster Friess, the billionaire supporting the candidacy of Rick Santorum, suggested in February 2012 that women put aspirin between their knees as a form of contraception.[76] Limbaugh echoed the sentiment, saying he would "buy all of the women at Georgetown University as much aspirin to put between their knees as they want."[77] Nancy Pelosi circulated a petition and asked that Republicans in the House of Representatives disavow the comments by Friess and Limbaugh, which she called "vicious and inappropriate."[78]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women


SHUT THE fark UP YOU WOMAN HATING DISHONEST PARTISAN ASSBAG
 
2012-10-23 01:52:50 PM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: the health care bill forces insurance companies to charge the same rate for men and women desptie the fact that women consume much much more medicine than men do. at my age womens insurance is double that of mens because of this. i dont want to be forced to subsidize the medicine of women. especially when, for example, there is no public outcry that mens car insurance is more expensive. people should pay for the things they want, other people should not be forced to pay it for them.

"but women need that medicine to stay healthy" seems to be the argument. Well as a man i need about double the daily calories to stay healthy. Does that mean that women should be forced to subsidize my grocery bill? feminism is about mitigating the disadvantages of women while ignoring or exacerbating the disadvantages of men. and that is sexism.


You might have a point if you were a gay guy/celibate priest, but if you have sex with ladies, then their birth control is your birth control.
 
2012-10-23 02:00:43 PM  
The polls are making some folks kinda desperate.
 
2012-10-23 02:18:06 PM  

DeaH: Cato: Stopped reading when he author started ranting about how Romney wants to make birth control "less accessible." Which is a bold-faced lie. Nobody on the right at all is talking about banning the pill. All we are doing is opposing yet-to-take-effect changes that would force people who believe birth control is wrong to pay for it. So, in other words, to keep -and not change - the current status quo. Is birth control accessible now? Then stop whining. We are trying to stop a change on that issue, not to force a change.

This whole "war on women" narrative is based on total misrepresentation and out-right lies.

Romney chose a running mate who has come down against contraception. He wants to defund Planned Parenthood, a major provider of birth control to working poor women and college students. Romney also wants to cut Medicaid, a program that provides things like birth control to the destitute. Romney wants to eliminate Obamacare which allows women's insurance premium payments to cover the full cost of birth control as a measure to cut the exorbitant costs of unplanned pregnancies.

Yes, it's true that Romney has never specifically said he want to make it harder for women to get birth control. Of course, his policies WILL make it harder for women to get birth control, but words speak louder than actions.


LOL. You are still talking about mechanism to take money from people who find it immoral to make them pay for it. Not accessibility at all. If all you have are "Republicans don't want to force people to fund it" and try to spin it as "omg, the fascists are trying to ban the pill!" then you ARE misrepresenting things. And in a rather desperate fashion.

Oh, and trying to claim that the debate over Planned Parenthood or Medicare ars somehow centered around birth control is a massive reach. You know it and I know it.
 
2012-10-23 02:22:06 PM  

Smelly McUgly: LectertheChef: Smelly McUgly: I try really hard to avoid the Gawker sites, so if someone might please summarize that whole thing...

1. Your one night stand could be a one life headache.
2. The end of dating as we know it.
3. What if your wife/sister/girlfriend/mother gets raped or has a severely health-threatening pregnancy?
4. Gay guys? Mitt Romney wants to add an amendment to the constitution to restrict your right to marry the person of your choice.
5. So you're a responsible guy who lives as a respectable citizen of Romn-erica, only having sex with your subservient Kolob-sanctioned wife and earning the millions of dollars necessary to pay for health care for your giant brood without having to rely on the government. You're still going to pay for this, one way or another.

Thank you.


1. Pregnancy.
2. Pregnancy.
3. Pregnancy.
4. Gay Marriage.
5. Pregnancy.
 
2012-10-23 02:58:18 PM  

Kazan: Cato: This whole "war on women" narrative is based on total misrepresentation and out-right lies.

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In February 2012, Republican Congressman Darrell Issa convened an all-male panel addressing contraceptive mandates for health insurers. He did not allow Sandra Fluke, a Georgetown University Law Center student, to participate in the hearing.[74] Democratic Representatives then staged a separate panel where Fluke was allowed to speak. Later that month, American conservative talk-show host Rush Limbaugh controversially called Sandra Fluke a "slut" and "prostitute" and continued in similar fashion for the next two days.[75] Foster Friess, the billionaire supporting the candidacy of Rick Santorum, suggested in February 2012 that women put aspirin between their knees as a form of contraception.[76] Limbaugh echoed the sentiment, saying he would "buy all of the women at Georgetown University as much aspirin to put between their knees as they want."[77] Nancy Pelosi circulated a petition and asked that Republicans in the House of Representatives disavow the comments by Friess and Limbaugh, which she called "vicious and inappropriate."[78]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_Women


SHUT THE fark UP YOU WOMAN HATING DISHONEST PARTISAN ASSBAG


Wow, bold AND caps-lock. Ooo, intense. How are you not already on my ignore list?

In any event, for the life of me I do not understand how, in a Congressional hearing about what should and should not be considered religious institutions, what kind of relgious exemption to laws is just, and the what the legal implications of the 1st amendment's free exercise guarantee are, testimony from a college student whose only claim to fame is liking sex - and liking it SO much that she needs a pile of birthcontrol so high she can't possibly afford it on her own, despite paying tuition at a rather pricey private university - could possibly in any way, shape, or form be considered relevent at all. I mean, they also didn't hear testimony from my uncle the taxidermist or my third-grade teacher, both of whom are about as relevent to that hearing than Fluke was.
 
2012-10-23 03:26:21 PM  
In the official internet encyclopedia under the word Derp just provide a link to TFA and mark it done.
 
2012-10-23 03:30:20 PM  
Kazan, slow........... deep.............. breaths..........
 
2012-10-23 04:09:28 PM  
I thought those were pretty good points. I don't get the Jezebel hate.

fiver5: What a dumb biatch.


Which part of her arguments do you disagree with?
 
2012-10-23 04:25:02 PM  
Whoa, whoa, whoa . . . speak for your own farts, please.
 
2012-10-23 04:29:54 PM  

Cato: I mean, they also didn't hear testimony from my uncle the taxidermist or my third-grade teacher, both of whom are about as relevent to that hearing than Fluke was.


Not sure if troll

or just dumb.
 
2012-10-23 04:42:48 PM  

Doak: Which part of her arguments do you disagree with?


i think it is the part where a woman is speaking.
 
2012-10-23 04:55:30 PM  
Wouldn't the article's talking points just be better-avoided simply by living a decent and honest life farking the one girl you married?
 
2012-10-23 05:12:00 PM  
How would the end of dating as we know it be a bad thing for men?
 
2012-10-23 05:25:48 PM  
Fark you, Jezebel. Go back to telling women how to be more slutty. That's what you're good at.
 
2012-10-23 07:35:24 PM  
rogue49:

Yep, go back to no sex before marriage.

Oh, Joy!


Exactly. The men-against-women thing might be overstated, but several of their points are very valid. As I've been saying since1974, feminism benefits men too.

My uncle had to marry his girlfriend in 1956 because she tricked him. "Get pregnant and he'll HAVE to marry you. And you can stop living with your crazy sister and crazier mother." He worked days and went to night school to support his family instead of finishing college like a normal guy; he didn't get a good night's sleep for 6 years. (20 years later she ditched him for a younger guy who could play guitar and had rich parents.) I believe my cousin was really his kid; I don't believe he should have married that biatch.

Now there's the Pill, and condoms are easy to get, and if worse comes to worse you can always say "Jeez. I'll pay for an abortion." Do YOU want to get stuck marrying the neighborhood slut just because you're the only guy on the block who can read at grade level?

Same with women being able to make decent money working: less reason for her to get knocked up by you. (See above.)

Etc. (Forgive me, O Fark godlings, I am now too drunk to make a point well.)
 
2012-10-23 07:41:55 PM  
Mike Chewbacca:

Obvious article is obvious. I often* tell single guys that if they want to keep having sex with women, they should stop villifying those sex-having women by calling them sluts.

Bingo. I love women who have sex, especially women who have sex with me. If they're not virgins when we meet, even if they also have sex with a few other guys, that's fine by me: if it weren't for "sluts" I might still be a virgin at age 49.

Condoms in gas stations is a good thing. The Pill is a good thing. When it's called for abortion is a good thing.

And women who are sexually experienced enough to show me a good time is a VERY good thing. 


/Will be passing out soon.
 
2012-10-23 07:54:39 PM  
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I forgot his name was Todd.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:45 PM  

TaterTot_HotDish: GF named my left testicle thundercles: the health care bill forces insurance companies to charge the same rate for men and women desptie the fact that women consume much much more medicine than men do. at my age womens insurance is double that of mens because of this. i dont want to be forced to subsidize the medicine of women. especially when, for example, there is no public outcry that mens car insurance is more expensive. people should pay for the things they want, other people should not be forced to pay it for them.

"but women need that medicine to stay healthy" seems to be the argument. Well as a man i need about double the daily calories to stay healthy. Does that mean that women should be forced to subsidize my grocery bill? feminism is about mitigating the disadvantages of women while ignoring or exacerbating the disadvantages of men. and that is sexism.

You might have a point if you were a gay guy/celibate priest, but if you have sex with ladies, then their birth control is your birth control.


three responses to that criticism:
1) if i am sleeping with a woman that is not a trusted girlfriend i use a condom and do not rely on her telling the truth about the pill or STDs. therefore the price of birth control is on my shoulders as well.
2) the most men do not having sex with women at all while a minority of men are getting all of it. in fact the median woman has about twice as much sex as the median man (hypergamy). this is provable (SOURCE) by both science, modern observation, and common sense.
3) most of womens healthcare costs exceed mens health care not because of birthcontrol costs.

/thank you for the legitimate comments tho. its actually pretty rare in these threads to get anything other than ad hominem. i tip my hat to you.
 
2012-10-23 11:16:12 PM  
let me guess, it's because Romney is an uptight killjoy?
 
2012-10-23 11:50:21 PM  

Dahnkster: Here, Let me fight off any wiener shriveling Rmoney may be causing you...

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i spy a bit of nip on that red head their :D
 
2012-10-24 06:27:57 AM  

Cletus C.: This entire argument is based on the premise farts smell bad.

Most people enjoy the smell of their own farts.

Citation not needed.


Sure, but you could have put in a picture of Fat Bastard, at least. Look at you, no ambition at all.

randomjsa: What's funny is that after reading that I have something to remember when liberals go on about how "crazy" WND or Freepers are. You are as crazy as you think people who disagree with you are.


You know how I know you didn't read the thread?
 
2012-10-24 10:24:17 AM  

GF named my left testicle thundercles: TaterTot_HotDish: GF named my left testicle thundercles: the health care bill forces insurance companies to charge the same rate for men and women desptie the fact that women consume much much more medicine than men do. at my age womens insurance is double that of mens because of this. i dont want to be forced to subsidize the medicine of women. especially when, for example, there is no public outcry that mens car insurance is more expensive. people should pay for the things they want, other people should not be forced to pay it for them.

"but women need that medicine to stay healthy" seems to be the argument. Well as a man i need about double the daily calories to stay healthy. Does that mean that women should be forced to subsidize my grocery bill? feminism is about mitigating the disadvantages of women while ignoring or exacerbating the disadvantages of men. and that is sexism.

You might have a point if you were a gay guy/celibate priest, but if you have sex with ladies, then their birth control is your birth control.

three responses to that criticism:
1) if i am sleeping with a woman that is not a trusted girlfriend i use a condom and do not rely on her telling the truth about the pill or STDs. therefore the price of birth control is on my shoulders as well.
2) the most men do not having sex with women at all while a minority of men are getting all of it. in fact the median woman has about twice as much sex as the median man (hypergamy). this is provable (SOURCE) by both science, modern observation, and common sense.
3) most of womens healthcare costs exceed mens health care not because of birthcontrol costs.

/thank you for the legitimate comments tho. its actually pretty rare in these threads to get anything other than ad hominem. i tip my hat to you.


1. Bravo. More guys should use condoms... but they are not as effective as the pill or an IUD in preventing pregnancy. So at the very least the pill can be a good backup method in that scenario

2. that's an interesting article, definitely, and does kind of fit with common sense. I guess my comment is that it is describing humans in an evolutionary context, which might have implications for a modern one but is probably not directly comparable. For instance, since the 'sexual revolution' a few decades ago, human sexual behavior has changed a lot. So culture (and changing cultural mores) has to come into the equation somewhere.

Also, In a situation where you are trying to figure out insurance rates, you are talking about the 'median woman' having more sex than the 'median man'... surely we can narrow it down a bit, though, as we are setting rates for individuals? We already ask people questions about health risk factors such as smoking when calculating insurance rates, why not risk factors such as unprotected sex? It doesn't seem fair to raise rates on women across the board when that individual woman might be far from the median.

On the other hand, having unprotected sex might be as a result of not having access to birth control because of financial issues - an issue that getting insurance is going to solve!

So when you say you don't want to subsidize the medicine of women - well, in an insurance situation, aren't we all kind of subsidizing each other, to some extent? I don't want to pay for the higher health costs of smokers, and indeed smokers pay a higher premium than I do. So maybe instead of treating women as a monolithic group that 'has more sex than men' we can narrow it down to the group of people who indeed are engaging in risky behavior and raise rates just on that group.

3. this might be true, I don't know enough about it. But if the costs are high because of the costs of pregnancy (just guessing here), well, it takes two, doesn't it? Why should only the woman pay a higher health care cost when there's some dude out there who's just as responsible for that pregnancy?

I think for me, the overall point of the article was pointing out that "women's healthcare" in the form of birth control and access to abortion also benefits the straight men who have sex with women. Something that isn't acknowledged enough.

/I also thank you for attempting to have a real discussion on Fark.
 
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