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2012-10-23 09:57:11 AM  
What incentive do the players have to risk their health (and thus multi million dollar contracts) to keep the Pro Bowl? If I was a star NFL player I'd only ever appear in the stands of the Pro Bowl. Careers are short enough without blowing out your knee in some meaningless game.

You want good football post Super Bowl? Have a free agent bowl in Hawaii in say early march. Invite all the guys who are on the bubble to get a contract and give them a chance to shine and earn bigger bucks/get a contract.
 
2012-10-23 09:57:58 AM  
Having it before the Super Bowl doesn't make sense. None of the players from the best two teams are there. Have it after the Super Bowl, the way it used to be.
 
2012-10-23 09:59:24 AM  
Ah, the Pro Bowl, the methadone at the end of the football season.

What a complete waste of time.
 
2012-10-23 10:02:42 AM  
Also, while I'm ranting, the Pro Bowl should become a flag football or 7 on 7 flavor of game. The current greats of the game playing without pads (and thus no hitting). I'd find it interesting to see what a lot of these guys can do when not weighed down by the pads. As an example, no one hits in the NHL All Stars game, so the defense is piss poor. However it is still interesting to watch in that the offensive players know they won't be hit and try all kinds of weird stuff you'd never see in a real game. The All Stars game isn't a hockey game so much as it is just a show case of athleticism. Move the Pro Bowl in that direction. Do stuff like like DTs up at WR and try for the fat guy touchdown and all the trick plays you love to see, but teams rarely run because they rarely work.
 
2012-10-23 10:06:47 AM  
I've never watched it. Will never watch it.
 
2012-10-23 10:07:05 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Also, while I'm ranting, the Pro Bowl should become a flag football or 7 on 7 flavor of game. The current greats of the game playing without pads (and thus no hitting). I'd find it interesting to see what a lot of these guys can do when not weighed down by the pads. As an example, no one hits in the NHL All Stars game, so the defense is piss poor. However it is still interesting to watch in that the offensive players know they won't be hit and try all kinds of weird stuff you'd never see in a real game. The All Stars game isn't a hockey game so much as it is just a show case of athleticism. Move the Pro Bowl in that direction. Do stuff like like DTs up at WR and try for the fat guy touchdown and all the trick plays you love to see, but teams rarely run because they rarely work.


Bonus: if it turns out that the flag football version is actually pretty fun to watch, then everyone can STFU and quit whining about how the league might as well become flag football when people get protected.

wiseolddude: Having it before the Super Bowl doesn't make sense. None of the players from the best two teams are there. Have it after the Super Bowl, the way it used to be.


It does make sense IF you put it in the same city as the Super Bowl and make that part of a concentrated party of awesomeness wherein you have all the players from the Super Bowl teams AND you have all the best of the rest of the players in one town for a sh*tton of parties and events. Or you make it an international exhibition, and we play those games in Europe or Asia or whatever markets the NFL wants to expand its consumer base into.
 
2012-10-23 10:08:27 AM  
BTW, ITT: People who talk about how much they love football and they hate the offseason tell us about how they don't watch a nationally televised football game.

/though last year's "effort" was embarrassing
//have some f*cking professionalism
 
2012-10-23 10:08:36 AM  

wiseolddude: Having it before the Super Bowl doesn't make sense. None of the players from the best two teams are there. Have it after the Super Bowl, the way it used to be.


This. I never understood why they moved it to before the Super Bowl.

And is it just me, or is Roger Goodell starting to come off as more of a dick step-parent than commissioner of the league. "If you guys aren't going to take this seriously, then we just won't play!"
 
2012-10-23 10:12:35 AM  

scottydoesntknow: And is it just me, or is Roger Goodell starting to come off as more of a dick step-parent than commissioner of the league. "If you guys aren't going to take this seriously, then we just won't play!"


I kinda like how leagues have changed their ASGs:

MLB: Tie game with people not caring too much. Result: Now you're playing for HFA for your league.
NBA: No one cares about it. Result: Make it into a multi-day event with several skills exhibitions, potentially play with the format so it's not just East vs West.
NHL: East vs. West is boring. Result: North America vs the World, they add a skills competition, etc.

NFL: Everyone hypes up that no one cares about it (despite it still getting better ratings than pretty much all other sports). Result: Well, f*ck it, we just won't play it anymore.
 
2012-10-23 10:12:48 AM  

scottydoesntknow: wiseolddude: Having it before the Super Bowl doesn't make sense. None of the players from the best two teams are there. Have it after the Super Bowl, the way it used to be.

This. I never understood why they moved it to before the Super Bowl.

And is it just me, or is Roger Goodell starting to come off as more of a dick step-parent than commissioner of the league. "If you guys aren't going to take this seriously, then we just won't play!"


I think they moved it to before the Super Bwl because they thought it would get better ratings that way. Don't know if it actually helped at all though.
 
2012-10-23 10:14:31 AM  

scottydoesntknow: And is it just me, or is Roger Goodell starting to come off as more of a dick step-parent than commissioner of the league. "If you guys aren't going to take this seriously, then we just won't play!"


I think he's doing it just because all the negative PR he's been getting for player safety from players. Now he can trim off something that isn't that profitable and say it's in the interest of player safety.
 
2012-10-23 10:15:47 AM  
The Pro Bowl is the worst.
 
2012-10-23 10:16:41 AM  
My 2 wishes-
No more pro bowl
No bye week before superbowl
 
2012-10-23 10:21:47 AM  
The Pro Bowl will always suck. There's no avoiding it. When you employ a whole separate set of rules to ensure that people don't get hurt in a meaningless exhibition game, that sucks. When you exclude members of the two teams competing for your championship from said meaningless exhibition game, thus rendering it even more meaningless, that sucks. Put the whole thing in Hawaii, and really, who wants their January/February football played in sunny climes, and throw on bonus suckitude.

The only all-star game worth a damn is baseball's, not because they're playing for World Series home-field advantage (which sucks), but because it's the only one of the all-star competitions where the gameplay resembles the actual sport.
 
2012-10-23 10:22:21 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Also, while I'm ranting, the Pro Bowl should become a flag football or 7 on 7 flavor of game. The current greats of the game playing without pads (and thus no hitting). I'd find it interesting to see what a lot of these guys can do when not weighed down by the pads. As an example, no one hits in the NHL All Stars game, so the defense is piss poor. However it is still interesting to watch in that the offensive players know they won't be hit and try all kinds of weird stuff you'd never see in a real game. The All Stars game isn't a hockey game so much as it is just a show case of athleticism. Move the Pro Bowl in that direction. Do stuff like like DTs up at WR and try for the fat guy touchdown and all the trick plays you love to see, but teams rarely run because they rarely work.


I would watch that. Throw in some fun skills events and switch up who can do what (linebackers have to catch balls, wide receivers have to pass). Basically treat the event like Superdogs vs. Superjocks.

Oh, and bring in the Sklar brothers to commentate the skills competitons.
 
2012-10-23 10:24:17 AM  
Just have some skills competition in the Super Bowl city during the off week before the Super Bowl. Done.
 
2012-10-23 10:25:20 AM  
litespeed74

The bye week is a cash cow for the host town. It gives the fans an extra week for spending their money.
 
2012-10-23 10:27:17 AM  

NakedReporta: The only all-star game worth a damn is baseball's,


Ummm no.

The NBA has, by far, the best ASG and ASG weekend of all of the sports.
 
2012-10-23 10:28:53 AM  
I haven't watched the pro bowl in at least 25 years. I also don't watch the NBA all-star game. NHL? nope. MLB - I do enjoy that all-star game.
 
2012-10-23 10:30:04 AM  

litespeed74: My 2 wishes-
No more pro bowl
No bye week before superbowl


I'll second that. The two weeks to get more hype is bullshiat. And who cares about the pro bowl?
 
2012-10-23 10:33:34 AM  

IAmRight: NakedReporta: The only all-star game worth a damn is baseball's,

Ummm no.

The NBA has, by far, the best ASG and ASG weekend of all of the sports.


I farking love the NBA ASG
 
2012-10-23 10:35:15 AM  
A long time ago, they used to have a skills competition between the different groups. It was far more interesting than the game itself. I'd watch that part if they brought it back.

/if you went by skills alone, apparently Boomer Esiason was ONE OF THE GREATEST EVER
 
2012-10-23 10:35:32 AM  
Get rid of the Pro Bowl "game", and instead have an expansive skills competition so that virtually every position can be included. I don't care if you're Richard Branson; a free trip to Hawaii (actually, a paid trip, since I think damn near every player has a pro-bowl bonus clause in their contract) doesn't suck, so you still reward players. To get rid of the experience OUTRIGHT wouldn't be fair.
 
2012-10-23 10:37:43 AM  
It's still the highest rated show on TV when it airs
 
2012-10-23 10:42:38 AM  

Lost Thought 00: It's still the highest rated show on TV when it airs


It's the only thing even closely resembling football on a Sunday afternoon, of course people are going to watch it. There is pretty much nothing else on during that time.
 
2012-10-23 10:43:54 AM  
well it's not going to stop sucking, so we may as well axe it.
 
2012-10-23 10:44:34 AM  

Killer Cars: Get rid of the Pro Bowl "game", and instead have an expansive skills competition so that virtually every position can be included.


You can do both. You people realize this, right? Every other sport has a skills competition (and at least MLB and NBA have celebrity games, too, with easier versions...maybe flag football for that game?) prior to their game. The Pro Bowl doesn't inherently suck. It's just the complete lack of effort in the past couple of years that has sucked. I mean, even some of the players last year were calling out their Pro Bowl teammates for not giving a sh*t.

Lost Thought 00: It's still the highest rated show on TV when it airs


Exactly. "No one cares about the Pro Bowl" is yet another example of everyone on the internet talking about how above things they are when it turns out that hey, in real life...people do still watch it. The problem is that the nearest game to compare it to is the Super Bowl, which is the single biggest TV draw in America. So yeah, if you compare it to that, then no one cares. If you compare it to that, you're also a moron, but that seems to be a requirement to have a national sports show.
 
2012-10-23 10:45:20 AM  
BTW, if the NFL wants to get rid of something that sucks and no one likes, then Goodell's a pretty prime candidate.
 
2012-10-23 10:49:29 AM  

IAmRight: NakedReporta: The only all-star game worth a damn is baseball's,

Ummm no.

The NBA has, by far, the best ASG and ASG weekend of all of the sports.


That's cool and all, but the NHL has goalie races. Goalie. Races.

If the NBA wanted to complete with that, they need a 3 point contest for Centers only, a Slam Dunk contest for players 6' and under, and wind sprints for everyone else.
 
2012-10-23 10:55:23 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Also, while I'm ranting, the Pro Bowl should become a flag football or 7 on 7 flavor of game. The current greats of the game playing without pads (and thus no hitting). I'd find it interesting to see what a lot of these guys can do when not weighed down by the pads. As an example, no one hits in the NHL All Stars game, so the defense is piss poor. However it is still interesting to watch in that the offensive players know they won't be hit and try all kinds of weird stuff you'd never see in a real game. The All Stars game isn't a hockey game so much as it is just a show case of athleticism. Move the Pro Bowl in that direction. Do stuff like like DTs up at WR and try for the fat guy touchdown and all the trick plays you love to see, but teams rarely run because they rarely work.


To make it even better select 4 captains have them pick teams sandlot style.
 
2012-10-23 11:06:08 AM  

IAmRight: BTW, if the NFL wants to get rid of something that sucks and no one likes, then Goodell's a pretty prime candidate.


Why do you say that?
 
2012-10-23 11:18:05 AM  
Have all the players get a paid trip to Hawaii, then have them play one giant game of Madden, as themselves.

Same fun, no injuries, better game.
 
2012-10-23 11:23:57 AM  
Question for you NBA ASG lovers out there: Um, defense, anyone? Same with the NHL. The skills competitions are fun, yes, but the actual games themselves are as true of a representation of their respective sports as NBA Jam and NHL 3 on 3 Arcade.
 
2012-10-23 11:25:03 AM  

IAmRight: You can do both. You people realize this, right?


I don't have as much interest in watching an actual game, as I would watching, say, McCoy, Foster, Rice, Forte, etc run a few different drills and how they stack up together.

The plus side to an all-star skills competition is that you can have fun with it, so it wouldn't just be combine drills all over again. You can include an RB obstacle course that includes moats filled with sea lions or random sh*t like that.
 
2012-10-23 11:31:08 AM  

NakedReporta: but the actual games themselves are as true of a representation of their respective sports as NBA Jam and NHL 3 on 3 Arcade.


Yeah, they're fun to watch. Then they start playing defense in the fourth quarter. It allows for both fun, creative plays that you wouldn't ordinarily be able to see in a game AND it allows for good, fundamentally sound basketball late in the game without the stupid-ass "foul and hope they miss FTs" that regular games frequently end up as.

Some of us watch sports to be entertained. But I suppose I understand why you wouldn't feel that way if you're a baseball fan.
 
2012-10-23 11:32:17 AM  

Killer Cars: The plus side to an all-star skills competition is that you can have fun with it, so it wouldn't just be combine drills all over again. You can include an RB obstacle course that includes moats filled with sea lions or random sh*t like that.


ballpit 40yd dash.

QBs: waterballoon driveby challenge.

WR/QB combo: egg toss.
 
2012-10-23 11:33:48 AM  
If Goodell can lose the ASG, then I will forgive him for the replacement refs.

I'm cool with Bountygate, because Fark New Orleans!
 
2012-10-23 11:34:32 AM  

wiseolddude: Having it before the Super Bowl doesn't make sense. None of the players from the best two teams are there. Have it after the Super Bowl, the way it used to be.


agreed. After the superbowl Im having football withdrawals so bad that I'll watch any game and like it
 
2012-10-23 11:37:47 AM  
Make it personal for the fans. Make it enjoyable for the players. Make it competitive to keep all interested. Make it injury-safe for the participants. Who says pro-bowlers need to play football?

Dwarf tossing comes to mind.
 
2012-10-23 11:38:49 AM  

Killer Cars: I don't have as much interest in watching an actual game, as I would watching, say, McCoy, Foster, Rice, Forte, etc run a few different drills and how they stack up together.


That's fine. Maybe some people do. Then you could do both. Why do people consistently look to take entertainment options OFF the table, rather than just expand them?
 
2012-10-23 11:40:27 AM  
Make it a flag football game hosted by Bill Bellamy and add celebrities like Dan Cortese.
 
2012-10-23 11:41:58 AM  

timswar: skills competitons


Said it before, "this"ing it here, will undoubtedly say it again.

Can Brees/Manning/Brady/etc toss a ball through a truck tire on the back of a golf cart being driven across an end zone from 60 yards? Can they do it multiple times in a row? Which "elite" QB can do it the most times in a row?

Can Megatron catch a ball with his off hand, 1 handed, running backwards?

If you lined up CJ2K, Foster, Run DMC, and AP on the 50, who'd get to the endzone first?

Repeat with similarly themed competitions for skill positions, and hell, I dunno, have the DL/OL guys do a tug of war or something.
 
2012-10-23 11:44:04 AM  
The Pro Bowl is kind of like professional lacrosse or something. I'm dimly aware that it exists and if I happen to run into it on TV I might not turn it off right away, but I really couldn't care less who's in it or who's winning. I don't feel a need to get rid of it though.
 
2012-10-23 11:45:24 AM  
Why not just resurrect the 1970's TV show 'Superstars' and have the players compete in track and field type events? It would be just as meaningless and everybody would still get their all expenses paid trip to Hawaii with smaller risk of injury.
 
2012-10-23 11:46:37 AM  
I would watch that. Throw in some fun skills events and switch up who can do what (linebackers have to catch balls, wide receivers have to pass). Basically treat the event like Superdogs vs. Superjocks.

Oh, and bring in the Sklar brothers to commentate the skills competitons.


You had me until the part about the Sklar brothers
 
2012-10-23 11:47:45 AM  
Just make it a skills competition, put some money in there for incentive and have it in the same city as the Super Bowl.

Accurate QB
Fastest Man
Hardest hitter
longest FG
Obstacle course for linemen, watch the fatties prove they are athletes
maybe even team QBs and WRs for a "tick catch" competition or something

That would be fun, as someone said toss in a 7 on 7 flag Football game and be done.



New NHL All Star Game > all. Bakyard style "draft" complete with players heckling each other, skills comps that are fun (goalies in full pads for fastest skater, no rules penalty shootout, hardest shot) and then a game that is just a pure exhibition of offense. Oh with mic'd up players.

Guys want to go because it's fun, it's as much about being a fan as a player.
 
2012-10-23 11:53:13 AM  
Bring back the old Quaterback Club competitions, but make ones for all positions.
 
2012-10-23 11:55:49 AM  

Why Would I Read the Article: You had me until the part about the Sklar brothers


got your solution

t2.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-23 11:57:14 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: Bakyard style "draft" complete with players heckling each other


Oh good, they did do this. I expect the NBA to do it at some point, since there has been a push for it for a few years (led by Simmons, of course). They went for H-O-R-S-E, a much less entertaining idea. Why not the playground "draft"? They've even done similar in the rookie/soph game.

But yeah, NBA and NHL have the more fun ASGs. Forgot about the NHL's since I don't watch pro hockey until the playoffs, but yeah, they've instituted several fun things.
 
2012-10-23 11:57:29 AM  

Hebjamn: Why not just resurrect the 1970's TV show 'Superstars' and have the players compete in track and field type events? It would be just as meaningless and everybody would still get their all expenses paid trip to Hawaii with smaller risk of injury.


Just put the cheerleaders in see-thru swimsuits over dunk tanks, and I'm in
 
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