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100 people in a 2200 sq. ft. abode doesn't seem all that excessive.

Inspectors found the building was compliant with state code for framing for a multi-family house. That code requires support of 40 pounds per square foot.

It was 40 psf when Americans weighed 140 pounds on average. Time to go to 50?

TheHighlandHowler: 100 people in a 2200 sq. ft. abode doesn't seem all that excessive.

One person for every possible 22 square feet in the abode (including the bathroom)? That's one person in any direction no farther away than 5 feet across the entire abode.

That would include people standing in the shower, on the cabinets and on the bed. . .

Add some rap-music with a good beat, a conga line, and we're good to go.

Some talented Farker needs to photoshop the pic and put a case of Heineken in the "victims" hands.

if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Seems legit.

Either the Vodak has taken hold or my reading comprehension is off. It wasn't an apartment it was the clubhouse for the apartment complex! That thing should hold many many times 11 people.

Xai : if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Assuming that people were evenly spread out.

Now, if it were 100 people in a 20x20 living room (4 square feet per person), you're talking about 400 square feet * 40 pounds = 16,000 pounds / 100 people = 160 per person.

Now, if it were 100 people in a 10x20 living room (2 square feet per person, hey is that your elbow?), you're talking about 200 square feet * 40 pounds = 8,000 pounds / 100 people = 80 per person.

// and don't forget the weight of the television, carpeting/wood flooring/couch/etc.

Xai: if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Seems legit.

Just what I was thinking. . . I wonder who did the inspection and if he/she has retired yet.

lordargent: Xai : if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Assuming that people were evenly spread out.

Now, if it were 100 people in a 20x20 living room (4 square feet per person), you're talking about 400 square feet * 40 pounds = 16,000 pounds / 100 people = 160 per person.

Now, if it were 100 people in a 10x20 living room (2 square feet per person, hey is that your elbow?), you're talking about 200 square feet * 40 pounds = 8,000 pounds / 100 people = 80 per person.

// and don't forget the weight of the television, carpeting/wood flooring/couch/etc.

I was told there would be no math!

Fecal Conservative: Either the Vodak has taken hold or my reading comprehension is off. It wasn't an apartment it was the clubhouse for the apartment complex!

It was the penthouse, which just means it was at the top of the complex (and generally means that it's larger than a regular apartment).

It could very well be intended for 11 people if we're talking about a small apartment building.

Three things you never mess with; entropy, the weak force, gravity, and Young's Modulus. Four! Four things you never mess with; entropy, the weak force, gravity, Young's Modulus, and battles with Frederick the Great. Five! Five things......I'll start again.

Poor people problems?

That's what could possibly go wrong!

Are we sure it was a party? It could have just been a small Hispanic family.

Pointy Tail of Satan: Three things you never mess with; entropy, the weak force, gravity, and Young's Modulus. Four! Four things you never mess with; entropy, the weak force, gravity, Young's Modulus, and battles with Frederick the Great. Five! Five things......I'll start again.

I thought it was mother nature, mother in-laws and, mother freaking Ukrainians. At least that's what Skinny Pete says.

JFitness: Poor people problems?

My dad owned an apartment complex when I was younger. It always smelled like poor people. I was glad that he sold it before he died because I didn't want to inherit it.

/csb

If you can't raise the roof
lower the floor

And he was out there on the party porch, and it gave way and, and he fell. But it's okay. He's got a special van now he drives with his teeth.

lordargent: Fecal Conservative: Either the Vodak has taken hold or my reading comprehension is off. It wasn't an apartment it was the clubhouse for the apartment complex!

It was the penthouse, which just means it was at the top of the complex (and generally means that it's larger than a regular apartment).

It could very well be intended for 11 people if we're talking about a small apartment building.

Why does a picture caption say this?
A firefighter helps a man out of the second story window of the clubhouse at Seminole Grand apartments off Tharpe Street after a portion of the second story of the clubhouse collapsed during a party early Sunday morning. / Michael Schwarz/Special to the Democrat
The penthouse was in the clubhouse? If so, should be sturdier than apts. (Basing this on midwest trailer park relatives and their tornado shelter/clubhouse).

xl5150: JFitness: Poor people problems?

My dad owned an apartment complex when I was younger. It always smelled like poor people rough anonymous gay sex. I was glad that he sold it before he died because I didn't want to inherit it rough anonymous gay sex. FTFY

/csb

Fecal Conservative: lordargent: Fecal Conservative: Either the Vodak has taken hold or my reading comprehension is off. It wasn't an apartment it was the clubhouse for the apartment complex!

It was the penthouse, which just means it was at the top of the complex (and generally means that it's larger than a regular apartment).

It could very well be intended for 11 people if we're talking about a small apartment building.

Why does a picture caption say this?
A firefighter helps a man out of the second story window of the clubhouse at Seminole Grand apartments off Tharpe Street after a portion of the second story of the clubhouse collapsed during a party early Sunday morning. / Michael Schwarz/Special to the Democrat
The penthouse was in the clubhouse? If so, should be sturdier than apts. (Basing this on midwest trailer park relatives and their tornado shelter/clubhouse).

perhaps they mean the penthouse collapsed down into the clubhouse below. and if the clubhouse was a wide open hall type of area, the penthouse above was supported from side angle beams. also, a structure that is built specifically to safely contain people under tornado conditions is probably built to a higher grade specification than other dwellings.

Fecal Conservative: A firefighter helps a man out of the second story window of the clubhouse at Seminole Grand apartments off Tharpe Street after a portion of the second story of the clubhouse collapsed during a party early Sunday morning. / Michael Schwarz/Special to the Democrat

It's not clear exactly how this was all setup, but in my experience, it's better to defer to the article itself than to a caption.

// seem too many captions that were just BS, does the same person that writes the article write the captions? Or does the article get written and get handed over to some lackey to throw in some images and write the captions.

lordargent: Fecal Conservative: A firefighter helps a man out of the second story window of the clubhouse at Seminole Grand apartments off Tharpe Street after a portion of the second story of the clubhouse collapsed during a party early Sunday morning. / Michael Schwarz/Special to the Democrat

It's not clear exactly how this was all setup, but in my experience, it's better to defer to the article itself than to a caption.

// seem too many captions that were just BS, does the same person that writes the article write the captions? Or does the article get written and get handed over to some lackey to throw in some images and write the captions.

Good point. Thanks!

I live in a 3 bedroom apartment at UMD, and have crammed upwards of 75 people into my place before. After doing that once, I will never do that again. It was the shiattiest of shiat shows and some farker in sig ep fingered some slut on my couch.

Xai: if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Seems legit.

It was in Florida. That means 880 lbs would be about average.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Are we sure it was a party? It could have just been a small Hispanic family.

Zing

Balls touch?

Wow, 100 stupid people all crammed into one room...

Zarquon's Flat Tire: Balls touch?

Worse.

/hot

Bet it was because they were dancing on the ceiling and dancing on the floor.

/something for which building codes unaccountably never account

My ex lived in this building, and the apartments are all four bedroom suites with a huge living room and kitchen in the middle. The residents are all FSU and FAMU students, parties this size are actually are pretty regular occurrence in the complex.

The Black Dahlia: My ex lived in this building, and the apartments are all four bedroom suites with a huge living room and kitchen in the middle. The residents are all FSU and FAMU students, parties this size are actually are pretty regular occurrence in the complex.

Sounds the repeated overloading of the structure finally caught up to the residents.

I farkING HATE U2 AND THEIR SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION

lordargent: Xai : if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Assuming that people were evenly spread out.

...also assuming that there were only people and no other objects such as couches, chairs, beds, appliances, etc.

grimlock1972: The Black Dahlia: My ex lived in this building, and the apartments are all four bedroom suites with a huge living room and kitchen in the middle. The residents are all FSU and FAMU students, parties this size are actually are pretty regular occurrence in the complex.

Sounds the repeated overloading of the structure finally caught up to the residents.

Sounds like the structure (and building code) was poorly designed for the expected usage.

This reminds me of a later season show on ER where there was this huge party in like a 3 story building and everone was on the balconies and they all collapsed. Onto each other. It was a rather grisly ep. Life imitates art sometimes. I really hope everyone turns out okay, but ... This is why I have a ranch style house with a big backyard. I mean- just in case I become one of the cool kidsolder folks that hosts parties, again .

What could possibly go wrong?

Someone puts a poodle in the microwave?

/ It's casual

What else could possibly go wrong? For another, it wouldn't be Audrey Hepburn's apartment.

uttertosh: I farkING HATE U2 AND THEIR SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION

Thanks, non sequitur man.

2. did not meet the fire code but there was no fire, so what
3. floor failed so somebody screwed up at #1

SwiftFox: After actually reading TFA, conclusion:

2. did not meet the fire code but there was no fire, so what
3. floor failed so somebody screwed up at #1

Meh, a lot of these cheap-ass apartments are "rated" for 1000 psi or whatever which means that's the total rating of the floor: the actual weight of the material, plus the weight of whatever is actually above the floor (the walls, ceilings, etc) plus whatever is added after the building is built (carpeting, insulation, wiring) and IF there's any weight left over the tenants might be able to move in some furniture and possibly even walk around their apartments. Oh sure, it's "rated" at 2200 pounds per square foot, but no genuinely rated floor for that poundage should creak like some of the buildings I've lived in have creaked.

Throw in some Florida-style fatties hopping and dancing, and there is no way they'd survive more than one or two parties.

IlGreven: ...also assuming that there were only people and no other objects such as couches, chairs, beds, appliances, etc.

That's why I said

"// and don't forget the weight of the television, carpeting/wood flooring/couch/etc."

:P

Salivating with glee.

He's FOR the people.

Wait, according to the government, once 1 floor gave away, it would start pancaking downwards in a huge chain reaction the collapsed the building straight down! Obviously 9/11 was faked or the same would have have happened here!

Pffft. Vermont does it right.

I was living in Tally when they built those...they seemed to go up awfully quickly.

The Black Dahlia: The residents are all FSU and FAMU students, parties this size are actually are pretty regular occurrence in the complex.

Yeah, I've been to a lot of house parties there that were so crowded that you literally couldn't move. It was like Mardi Gras.

Cheap student housing, and this complex has had shootings and rapes. I used to own a house less than a mile from here and the whole area has turned to student ghetto. I'm glad we were able to sell before the housing bubble burst. I still drive by my old house sometimes, if I'm on that side of town, and the new owners have let the college kids destroy it. It's sad really because the neighborhood used to be a nice middle income area. Single family homes and some nicer apt. complexes. And it's not really all that close to FSU or FAMU as compared to other downtown areas that would benefit from urban renewal.

MythDragon: Wait, according to the government, once 1 floor gave away, it would start pancaking downwards in a huge chain reaction the collapsed the building straight down! Obviously 9/11 was faked or the same would have have happened here!

Well, it was only a two-story building, so...

Stick built apartments put up as quickly and cheaply as possible. It passed code when it was built, but probably hasn't been used what it has been coded for in fifteen years.

They are building alot around campus, as student housing is moving back closer to school. Some are being built right, a lot more are being built the same way as this complex.

/this was in Tally. Not the fat haven people think of when they hear Florida

Bit'O'Gristle: Some talented Farker needs to photoshop the pic and put a case of Heineken in the "victims" hands.

You are as demented as I am. That is exactly the first image that popped into my head when I saw the story pic.

so it goes something like this....

party rockin in the house tonight.... creak... creak... THUD.

Xai: if the floor is rated to hold 40lbs per square foot, and there are 2200 square feet, given 100 people that means each person at that party weighed, on average, 880lbs.

Seems legit.

OK, so a train leaves Boston going to Philadelphia at 60 MPH....

Neondistraction: uttertosh: I farkING HATE U2 AND THEIR SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION

Thanks, non sequitur man.

/thought the reference would go over a few heads.

ah, eff it.

TFA
: Inspectors for the city's Building Inspection Division of the Growth Management Department conducted another review of state codes following the incident, Bono said.
and
Bono said the complex met both fire and building codes.
and
Details on inspection history may be known today, Bono said.
and
"If there were any inspection issues, they would have been addressed prior to the issuing of a Certificate of Occupancy," Bono said in an email to the Tallahassee Democrat.

Self aggrandizing prick.

Buildings not built to code? In my Florida?

The Black Dahlia: My ex lived in this building, and the apartments are all four bedroom suites with a huge living room and kitchen in the middle. The residents are all FSU and FAMU students, parties this size are actually are pretty regular occurrence in the complex.

Think I found the problem. Lack of addin' ups know-how.

Something in Florida may have been constructed to the engineering standards of a third-world country? Get the fark outta here.

uttertosh: Neondistraction: uttertosh: I farkING HATE U2 AND THEIR SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION

Thanks, non sequitur man.

/thought the reference would go over a few heads.

ah, eff it.

TFA: Inspectors for the city's Building Inspection Division of the Growth Management Department conducted another review of state codes following the incident, Bono said.
and
Bono said the complex met both fire and building codes.
and
Details on inspection history may be known today, Bono said.
and
"If there were any inspection issues, they would have been addressed prior to the issuing of a Certificate of Occupancy," Bono said in an email to the Tallahassee Democrat.

Self aggrandizing prick.

Oh, her last name is the same as that guy from U2. You're so clever.

Was the place full of boofers?

Checks article.

Yep.

There ye go.

Neondistraction: You're so clever.

Y'know, I wish I hadn't bothered to explain.

uttertosh: Neondistraction: You're so clever.

Y'know, I wish I hadn't bothered to explain.

You know that old saying "if you have to explain a joke it wasn't very good in the first place"? Your joke bombed. So hard, in fact, that I assumed you meant to post your comment in another thread, which is why I was a smartass to begin with.

Of course, if you hadn't called me a prick I'd have just left it at that, so perhaps you really shouldn't have bothered.

Neondistraction: if you hadn't called me a prick

Bono. I called Bo... y'know what? Never mind. We all bomb sometimes.

uttertosh: Neondistraction: if you hadn't called me a prick

Bono. I called Bo... y'know what? Never mind. We all bomb sometimes.

That makes more sense, but in the context it was not at all obvious who you were calling a prick.

Snark withdrawn.

Neondistraction: uttertosh: Neondistraction: if you hadn't called me a prick

Bono. I called Bo... y'know what? Never mind. We all bomb sometimes.

That makes more sense, but in the context it was not at all obvious who you were calling a prick.

Snark withdrawn.

Withdrawal noted. And I managed to get my deposit back for Comedy Camp next summer. Thanks for helping me dodge that embarrassing mess. ;-)

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