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(Entertainment Weekly)   Asian Iron Man villain, The Mandarin, is now a white Mongolian portrayed by a British Indian   (insidemovies.ew.com) divider line 116
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2012-10-22 01:51:48 PM
What a British Indian might look like:
i402.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-22 02:00:03 PM
Ghandi?
 
2012-10-22 02:01:29 PM

James!: Ghandi?


Alternate universe.
 
2012-10-22 02:06:49 PM
Indians are Asians
 
2012-10-22 02:09:40 PM

Aarontology: Indians are Asians


Native Americas?
 
2012-10-22 02:11:05 PM
gcaggiano.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-22 02:13:46 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-22 02:18:14 PM

James!: Aarontology: Indians are Asians

Native Americas?


Totes
 
2012-10-22 02:19:51 PM
www.threedonia.com
 
2012-10-22 02:35:07 PM
Yeah, but Jet Li's English, while better than it used to be, isn't up to the level needed for a role such as the Mandarin.
 
2012-10-22 02:35:48 PM
i249.photobucket.com

Herro? Is dis Tony Stahk? I be kicking you ass in next movie, pal! You in beeeeeeeg trubbah!
 
2012-10-22 02:55:38 PM
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-22 02:57:33 PM
Damn you Mongorians!
 
2012-10-22 02:59:37 PM
www.starstills.com
img15.imageshack.us
 
An American Jewish Egyptian Prince.
 
2012-10-22 03:13:15 PM
The best thing about old films is seeing Englishmen or Americans being Africans, or Indians, or Chinese, or just about anything, because we're the best actors, we can even play their race better than they can. Case in point already made in this thread, Mickey Rooney.
 
2012-10-22 03:16:39 PM
just go with the Russians again. unoriginal cowards.
 
2012-10-22 03:35:14 PM

Sybarite: Damn you Mongorians!


Coincidentally, I think this is the last South Park episode I've ever watched.

/it was hilarious
 
2012-10-22 04:00:52 PM
I don't know about their villainy, but I sure do love their barbeque.
 
2012-10-22 04:04:55 PM
If you were The Mandarin you'd be destined for evil, what with all the smartarses prank calling you and ordering General Tso's chicken egg drop soup every day.
 
2012-10-22 04:34:22 PM
Wait, this is a surprise to people? Yinsen, in the first movie was originally Ho Yinsen, a generic East Asian doctor who was captured with Stark in Vietnam.

upload.wikimedia.org

But since the context of Stark's origin story has been changed to the Middle East, his character was made into a Middle-eastern doctor (though he kept the Chinese name for no reason).

images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-22 05:21:38 PM
Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?
 
2012-10-22 05:24:52 PM

unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?


You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"
 
2012-10-22 05:26:44 PM
To be fair, Kingsley has had success playing Asians before

i1127.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-22 05:27:00 PM
You're the problem! You're the farking problem you farking Dr White honkin' jam-rag farking spunk-bubble! I'm telling you Aitch you keep looking at me I'll put you in the farking ground, promise you!
 
2012-10-22 05:27:15 PM
www.nextmovie.com
 
2012-10-22 05:29:17 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yeah, but Jet Li's English, while better than it used to be, isn't up to the level needed for a role such as the Mandarin.


Why not Donnie Yen then, who speaks perfect English, with a Boston accent to boot.
 
2012-10-22 05:29:31 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 673x382]


I have that on SNES. So much harder than arcade or Sega. Couldn't get past the Mandarin until I was a teenager.

/City -> Bigger City -> Bottom of the Ocean -> Space -> Moonbase
/perfect sense!
 
2012-10-22 05:29:58 PM

unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?


Quick.

If you were born between 1975-1985 I want you to name Batman's most important villain.

Now Spider-Man.

Great; but they're backstories take too long, and actually MAKE SENSE, so remove those.

Now, since we need a reason for the character actually being in the movie, he needs dynamism. Choose one:

A) He's scary
B) He's lost the will to live.
C) He knows only hatred, loss or ignorance.
D) He's a giant pile of special effects.

Congratulations; you just figured out how to make a truly great villain a horrible, useless, oversized, lumbering plot hole.

/At least Sam Raimi (silently) admitted that he hated what Sony made him do (shoehorn Venom into SM3 - instead of having SM4 a GIANT Spider-Man Vs. Venom arc)... purely by a fan's question at a 2008 meet-n'-greet at Comic-Con; "At the end of Spider-Man 3, Venom gets out of the river, but Spider-Man thinks he's dead... does that mean Venom kills him and Mary Jane?"

::CUE THE MOST EVIL SMILE ON EARTH::

/Don't piass off the director who already has a "plan-B" in case the Studio farks with him.
 
2012-10-22 05:30:22 PM

unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?


Because what could be better then having Iron Man fight the Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Doctor Doom, Force, Living Laser, Man Bull, M.O.D.O.K., Ultron, and Whirl Wind all in one movie? No silly character development, no touching moments with Pepper, who gives a fark about Tony Stark, just one long 210 minute super hero smack down scene after another.
 
2012-10-22 05:32:16 PM
The Mandarin's late father was one of the wealthiest men in pre-revolutionary mainland China (and a descendant of Genghis Khan), while his late mother was an English noblewoman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandarin_(comics)

Just be thankful he's not being played by a Swede

assets.flavorwire.com
 
2012-10-22 05:34:35 PM
Gandhi II?

/HEY BALDY!
 
2012-10-22 05:36:35 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-22 05:37:17 PM
www.internationalhero.co.uk

It makes sense when you think about it.
 
2012-10-22 05:38:17 PM

Rwa2play: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"


Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.
 
2012-10-22 05:38:22 PM

Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]


Cruise was playing a white guy, though. They didn't pretend he was Japanese.
 
2012-10-22 05:39:11 PM

unlikely: Rwa2play: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"

Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.


Loki, Thanos, the aliens (Skrull?), Hulk(?)
 
2012-10-22 05:40:09 PM

unlikely: Rwa2play: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"

Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.


Loki, the Skrulls (look, I know they're Chitauri, but that's a stupid name, so I'm going to call them the Skrulls), and Hawkeye for half the movie.
 
mhd
2012-10-22 05:40:14 PM
What, an Asian role that's not played by Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa?

/Now that Mako is dead
 
2012-10-22 05:40:58 PM

unlikely: Rwa2play: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"

Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.


Loki, Loki's Lucas-Battledroid invasion force (theysa broken!), and the shadowy nether figure that wasn't in the film.

Do I win something?
 
2012-10-22 05:41:42 PM

NeoCortex42: Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]

Cruise was playing a white guy, though. They didn't pretend he was Japanese.


Also, samurai is being used in its plural form. So tired of that movie being trotted out.
 
2012-10-22 05:46:21 PM
Asian Iron Man villain, The Mandarin, is now a white Mongolianan Asian portrayed by a British IndianAsian

FTFY subby.

/Asia's a big place.
 
2012-10-22 05:46:35 PM
Knows a thing or two about Mongolians and Mandarin.

media.screened.com
 
2012-10-22 05:46:56 PM
What's up with the new Iron Man suit? Way too much gold.
 
2012-10-22 05:47:09 PM

Meethos: NeoCortex42: Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]

Cruise was playing a white guy, though. They didn't pretend he was Japanese.

Also, samurai is being used in its plural form. So tired of that movie being trotted out.


rateeveryanimal.com

Here's one. If you read the book or read about the actual events behind it, it was about a bunch of Asian MIT students who taught themselves to count cards and broke the bank in Vegas. So when they made the movie for it, they decided to make the cast mostly white.
 
2012-10-22 05:48:08 PM

unlikely: Rwa2play: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"

Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.


Hulk, Nick Fury and Hawkeye

//could've done with SOME farking villains
 
2012-10-22 05:48:47 PM

RexTalionis: unlikely: Rwa2play: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

You know how I know you didn't see "The Avengers?"

Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.

Loki, the Skrulls (look, I know they're Chitauri, but that's a stupid name, so I'm going to call them the Skrulls), and Hawkeye for half the movie.


You see how that's different than trying to cram a new goblin, Sandman, and Venom into a single film, right?

Except that Loki was really the only villain in the film, with the Skrulls (I kinda like Mors's Battledroid thing) as basically henchmen/cannon fodder, and Hawkeye being not so much a villain as a casualty.

Even if you take them all as something other than Loki's goons, the film is supposed to be an ensemble, which is a completely different animal than title-hero films.
 
2012-10-22 05:49:33 PM

Slaves2Darkness: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

Because what could be better then having Iron Man fight the Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Doctor Doom, Force, Living Laser, Man Bull, M.O.D.O.K., Ultron, and Whirl Wind all in one movie? No silly character development, no touching moments with Pepper, who gives a fark about Tony Stark, just one long 210 minute super hero smack down scene after another.


Why do people say this like it's a bad thing? I know who Stark is and his personality, I get that he and pepper are boinking. I pay the money to see IRON MAN, not Tony Stark.
 
2012-10-22 05:50:13 PM

RexTalionis: Loki, the Skrulls (look, I know they're Chitauri, but that's a stupid name, so I'm going to call them the Skrulls), and Hawkeye for half the movie.


Not to mention Nick Fury's trigger happy bosses, the scientist from Thor, and Tony Stark's ego were also key antagonists.
 
2012-10-22 05:50:28 PM

Slaves2Darkness: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

Because what could be better then having Iron Man fight the Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Doctor Doom, Force, Living Laser, Man Bull, M.O.D.O.K., Ultron, and Whirl Wind all in one movie? No silly character development, no touching moments with Pepper, who gives a fark about Tony Stark, just one long 210 minute super hero smack down scene after another.


That's what Avengers was. That's why it sucked. Also Fox owns Doom because he's primarily an FF villain
 
2012-10-22 05:51:08 PM

Mors: Loki, Loki's Lucas-Battledroid invasion force (theysa broken!), and the shadowy nether figure that wasn't in the film.


And yeah, this is closest to it.

Compare that to trying to shoehorn in Mr. Freeze, Bane, and Poison Ivy. I'm not even counting the countless Frisbee-wielding goons and stuff that movie had.
 
2012-10-22 05:53:09 PM

RexTalionis: Loki, the Skrulls (look, I know they're Chitauri, but that's a stupid name, so I'm going to call them the Skrulls), and Hawkeye for half the movie.


Well, I don't think the Chitauri count because they were cannon fodder (like Loki's mercenaries earlier in the film) but you COULD also mention Stellan Skarsgaard for the first 3/4 of the film along with Thanos and his lackey.
 
2012-10-22 05:53:22 PM

Meethos: NeoCortex42: Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]

Cruise was playing a white guy, though. They didn't pretend he was Japanese.

Also, samurai is being used in its plural form. So tired of that movie being trotted out.


Dude, it's an ambiguous word like sheep. It's an over the top dramaction movie as hallmarked by it's period, sort-of related to set historical pieces.

It's Forest Gump without the self awareness and comedy.

It's a pretty shiat movie if you look at it at all, but if you just sit through it as a popcorn flick and pretend the overt racism of 'and he learned to be a better swordsman than the little yellow guys who spent decades doing it' doesn't exist, along with the 'uh, no, that's not going to happen in that era, ok' then it's not terrible.
 
2012-10-22 05:56:14 PM
are you saying he can't do something based on the colour of his skin?

/rascist
 
2012-10-22 05:56:30 PM
The dude played Gandhi. I'm okay with this.
 
2012-10-22 05:56:36 PM

Jedekai: At least Sam Raimi (silently) admitted that he hated what Sony made him do (shoehorn Venom into SM3 - instead of having SM4 a GIANT Spider-Man Vs. Venom arc)... purely by a fan's question at a 2008 meet-n'-greet at Comic-Con; "At the end of Spider-Man 3, Venom gets out of the river, but Spider-Man thinks he's dead... does that mean Venom kills him and Mary Jane?"

::CUE THE MOST EVIL SMILE ON EARTH::

/Don't piass off the director who already has a "plan-B" in case the Studio farks with him.


Admittedly, I blocked out large parts of Spider-Man 3 from my memory, but I don't recall Venom crawling out of the river at the end of the movie.

RexTalionis: unlikely:

Name the three villains in the Avengers. Go ahead.

Loki, the Skrulls (look, I know they're Chitauri, but that's a stupid name, so I'm going to call them the Skrulls), and Hawkeye for half the movie.


Don't those essentially count as one large villain? I think the key is when you have different villains with different motivations that require their own development.
 
2012-10-22 06:01:30 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-22 06:02:35 PM
If upload.wikimedia.org can be played by upload.wikimedia.org, then I have no problem with it.
 
2012-10-22 06:09:36 PM

Shazam999: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yeah, but Jet Li's English, while better than it used to be, isn't up to the level needed for a role such as the Mandarin.

Why not Donnie Yen then, who speaks perfect English, with a Boston accent to boot.


That's not a bad idea, come to think of it.
 
2012-10-22 06:11:16 PM

texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.


www.hmss.com nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-22 06:13:25 PM
3.bp.blogspot.com

Devil's Double... Not only did they pretend a European was Saddam's son... they had him play Saddam's son's body double, as well. faux pas x 2.
 
2012-10-22 06:13:48 PM

Ramayana: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

[www.hmss.com image 187x480] nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 400x224]


www.mltimelines.net
 
2012-10-22 06:14:34 PM

Ramayana: nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like


Ultimate Nick Fury was designed to look like SLJ years before he would portray him in film.

If they didn't case Jackson there would have been so much nerd rage.
 
2012-10-22 06:15:49 PM

walrusonion: Ramayana: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

[www.hmss.com image 187x480] nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 400x224]

[www.mltimelines.net image 306x629]



^this
 
2012-10-22 06:15:54 PM

texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.


Ramayana: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

[www.hmss.com image 187x480] nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 400x224]


I wonder what would happen if they had Colin Farrell play T'Challa
 
2012-10-22 06:16:11 PM

Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]


He was a white Ex-pat American hiding from his past in Japan. No contradiction at all.
 
2012-10-22 06:16:48 PM

Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]


Did you even see that movie?
 
2012-10-22 06:17:51 PM
It's a movie about a billionaire, playboy genius who dresses up in a suit that allows him to fight crime. It's not a farking documentary.
 
2012-10-22 06:19:01 PM
And he happens to like oranges, right?
 
2012-10-22 06:30:04 PM
Ben Kingsley is the slightly classier version of Nicholas Cage. He also seems to never turn a script down, but makes up for the scenery eating villain roles by doing a great filme every other year or so.
 
2012-10-22 06:34:52 PM
Kingsley's a decent actor and a better villain makes a better movie.

www.coverbrowser.com
 
2012-10-22 06:35:20 PM

DanZero: [img.photobucket.com image 673x382]


first game I ever beat
 
2012-10-22 06:36:39 PM
Should have been a Chinese, but I'm ok with this.
 
2012-10-22 06:37:43 PM
Liam Neeson called, he said his version of Ra's Al Ghul held up fine and Kingsley can do whatever the fark he wants. Including Uwe Boll films, apparently, but there we are.
 
2012-10-22 06:37:53 PM
whos going to play the oriental love interest?
 
2012-10-22 06:40:44 PM
Should have been Chow Yun-Fat.
 
2012-10-22 06:47:00 PM
Well it IS Ben Kingsley, so I guess it's ok
 
2012-10-22 06:49:34 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: Should have been Chow Yun-Fat.


Would have been awesome, I grant you. But still okay with Kingsley.
 
2012-10-22 06:59:13 PM
ayeshahaq.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-10-22 07:16:02 PM

RexTalionis: Wait, this is a surprise to people? Yinsen, in the first movie was originally Ho Yinsen, a generic East Asian doctor who was captured with Stark in Vietnam.



But since the context of Stark's origin story has been changed to the Middle East, his character was made into a Middle-eastern doctor (though he kept the Chinese name for no reason).


That explains it. The Yinsen name really bothered me at the time.
 
2012-10-22 07:24:14 PM

texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.


Totally different. There's a major difference between a white character being played by a non-white, because non-whites are still underrepresented in Hollywood......... and a non-white character played by a white, which is how things have been traditionally for nearly 100 years of moving pictures.

As for a dude who's ethnicity is subcontinent playing someone who is mongolian............. saying that it doesn't make a difference is like saying that Saharan Africans playing sub-saharan africans is no big deal, that 'they all look alike' and all that entails. What it is not like, is like a Greek white woman playing a Spanish white woman.

This all boils down to traditional representation in Hollywood. If the traditional representation has been lacking, prudence says go for correcting that lack.
 
2012-10-22 07:33:55 PM
That's SIR Ben Kingsley to you, whineylittlebiatch-mitter.
An actor of that caliber wants to play in your movie, you find a goddamn role for him.
Same goddamn reason Idris Elba played Heimdall.
 
2012-10-22 07:38:05 PM
How much do you think this movie grosses in China?
 
2012-10-22 07:45:18 PM

texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.


Stan Lee was going to make Kingpin black, but made him white to avoid accusations about racism.
 
2012-10-22 07:47:26 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

Totally different. There's a major difference between a white character being played by a non-white, because non-whites are still underrepresented in Hollywood......... and a non-white character played by a white, which is how things have been traditionally for nearly 100 years of moving pictures.

As for a dude who's ethnicity is subcontinent playing someone who is mongolian............. saying that it doesn't make a difference is like saying that Saharan Africans playing sub-saharan africans is no big deal, that 'they all look alike' and all that entails. What it is not like, is like a Greek white woman playing a Spanish white woman.

This all boils down to traditional representation in Hollywood. If the traditional representation has been lacking, prudence says go for correcting that lack.



It's just a movie, and you should really just relax. The only reason I'd be any kind of upset or confused about this one is that the name "Mandarin" implies a Chinese background. I wouldn't care if they have an Asian actor play Superman, as long as he does better than that shiatty Routh abortion. I wouldn't care if they had a white dude play Luke Cage as long as it was done decently. Punisher? Sure make him a Latino, because in the end it really doesn't farking matter. Buncha farking racist assholes around here worrying about what farking ethnic background an actor playing a fictional farking character is.
 
2012-10-22 07:49:16 PM
i.ytimg.com
"Well, I wrote my own film, The Last N***a on Earth, featuring Tom Hanks. How about that?"
/b/c my first pic w/ the quote on it got eaten
//it's like nobody has ever seen Chapelle's Show or something
 
2012-10-22 07:49:43 PM
The real question is why the mandarin couldn't be from Tajikistan... I mean since hes made up, WHY NOT? Wheres Yul Brynner when you need him.

cinemafanatic.files.wordpress.com

Although, this.
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Shazam999: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Yeah, but Jet Li's English, while better than it used to be, isn't up to the level needed for a role such as the Mandarin.

Why not Donnie Yen then, who speaks perfect English, with a Boston accent to boot.

 
2012-10-22 07:54:32 PM

Stimutax67:
Why not Donnie Yen then, who speaks perfect English, with a Boston accent to boot.


t3.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-22 08:07:24 PM
QUESTION: Who cares?
 
2012-10-22 08:09:05 PM

rickycal78: ExperianScaresCthulhu: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

Totally different. There's a major difference between a white character being played by a non-white, because non-whites are still underrepresented in Hollywood......... and a non-white character played by a white, which is how things have been traditionally for nearly 100 years of moving pictures.

As for a dude who's ethnicity is subcontinent playing someone who is mongolian............. saying that it doesn't make a difference is like saying that Saharan Africans playing sub-saharan africans is no big deal, that 'they all look alike' and all that entails. What it is not like, is like a Greek white woman playing a Spanish white woman.

This all boils down to traditional representation in Hollywood. If the traditional representation has been lacking, prudence says go for correcting that lack.


It's just a movie, and you should really just relax. The only reason I'd be any kind of upset or confused about this one is that the name "Mandarin" implies a Chinese background. I wouldn't care if they have an Asian actor play Superman, as long as he does better than that shiatty Routh abortion. I wouldn't care if they had a white dude play Luke Cage as long as it was done decently. Punisher? Sure make him a Latino, because in the end it really doesn't farking matter. Buncha farking racist assholes around here worrying about what farking ethnic background an actor playing a fictional farking character is.


It matters. I reference Slaxl's snark on the prior page, though:

Slaxl: The best thing about old films is seeing Englishmen or Americans being Africans, or Indians, or Chinese, or just about anything, because we're the best actors, we can even play their race better than they can. Case in point already made in this thread, Mickey Rooney.


When white people tell themselves that a white got the job because of merit, that there were not qualified non-white actors for a role, there's a problem. So fk whites. Realize that whites aren't getting roles because they are more qualified, but because Hollywood bean counters have done the math... or are bigots themselves.

See also: George Lucas' discussion on his fight to get funding for Red Tails, and being told he'll have a hard time because Hollywood does not want to bankroll a movie with a predominantly non-white cast
See also: every Hollywood movie pre-Civil Rights era (though the argument I heard was that the Ashkenazi were newcomers to America, and thus had no dog in the US's whites versus reds and blacks fight, and created pictures the way they did with an eye on getting the most profit not the most accuracy, especially in a time when having non-whites in critical roles meant that the movie would be banned in many areas of the US, leading to loss of profits)(any Jew who tried to buck that particular system was seen as a civil rights hero)
 
2012-10-22 08:15:47 PM
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2012-10-22 08:19:20 PM

Slaves2Darkness: unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?

90s Batman didn't teach us anything?
Nor Spider Man?

Because what could be better then having Iron Man fight the Mandarin, Crimson Dynamo, Doctor Doom, Force, Living Laser, Man Bull, M.O.D.O.K., Ultron, and Whirl Wind all in one movie? No silly character development, no touching moments with Pepper, who gives a fark about Tony Stark, just one long 210 minute super hero smack down scene after another.


You just described the perfect Hulk movie. Congratulations.
 
2012-10-22 08:27:42 PM

natmar_76: QUESTION: Who cares?


Lots of people do, the problem is that it's for the wrong reason. No one's actually upset that they chose a great actor to play a notorious villain. They either just want to biatch about something that a comic book movie does/doesn't do right or they want to flaunt their geek cred. Usually both. They'll still be there on opening night with a fistful of money, ready and willing. Also, it's the internet and it's fun to argue about shiat that doesn't matter.
 
2012-10-22 08:39:56 PM
Very disappointed with Fark. i thought for sure this thread would devolve into a "Hot Asian" thread.
 
2012-10-22 08:42:20 PM
To all concerned: Avengers has ONE villain.

Loki was the Villain - The entire plot is driven by his desire to cause massive levels of bad shiat to happen to everyone.

The Chituari were Mooks. They exist solely to give the Villain something to threaten the world with, and to give the heroes something to punch.

Dr. Selvig (Skarsgard) was a glorified Evil Minion. Glorified in the sense that he had a name and speaking parts.

The Shadowy Figure (Thanos) was a plot device and tease for Avengers 2 (and, I suspect, Guardians of the Galaxy) -- he never confronts the protagonists, and his only relevance to the plot is that he explains where Loki got all these freaking alien warrior minions from.

But yeah, the only villain in The Avengers is Loki.

As for movies with too many villains: You have to differentiate between villain in the literary sense of antagonistic dramatis personae whose actions drives the plot and villain in the comic sense of guy in tights with an evil sounding name and superpowers.

Because you can totally have a movie with many comic-book villains and have it rock. Look at the first X-Men movie, with Toad, Sabertooth, Mystique and Magneto. Totally works, really good X-Men film.

The problem with the Batman and Spider-Man movies is that the villains aren't a team, they're a team-up. They each have their own plots, which creates conflict, and they end becoming the focus of the movie. It becomes a movie about them teaming up, with the hero relegated to a B-plot that involves defeating them. Or, in the particularly bad cases, they are forced together in a truly contrived way that makes the whole movie feel cheap. (Personally, I think Batman Returns is the only superhero movie that ever pulled multiple villains off).

An Iron Man film can have a dozen villains from his comic and not have it be an issue. They've already introduced Justin Hammer, and part of what makes Hammer a threat in the comic is that he has the capacity and the will to hand out ultra-high tech weaponry systems to common thugs and criminals, and then sic them en masse against Iron Man. And the Mandarin has plenty of super-powered lackies and minions of his own.
 
2012-10-22 08:56:31 PM
Nobody could believe a little Chinaman is at all threatening to a superpowered White guy.
 
2012-10-22 08:59:05 PM

elvindeath: Very disappointed with Fark. i thought for sure this thread would devolve into a "Hot Asian" thread.



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/probably not what most farkers in the thread were hoping for with your statement, I know.... 
//hot-cha-cha
 
2012-10-22 09:29:03 PM
What? No Talons of Weng Chiang yet?
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"I understand we all look the same."
 
2012-10-22 09:37:28 PM

Trocadero: Stimutax67:
Why not Donnie Yen then, who speaks perfect English, with a Boston accent to boot.

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I think you have Donnie Yen mixed up with Donnie Wahlberg.
 
2012-10-22 09:44:03 PM
Interesting.

The group that kidnapped Tony in the first movie was the "Ten Rings Organization".
Raza had one ring.
Another member of their group gave Ivan his fake ID and the ticket to Monaco.
 
2012-10-22 09:51:26 PM

RexTalionis: Meethos: NeoCortex42: Trocadero: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x659]

Cruise was playing a white guy, though. They didn't pretend he was Japanese.

Also, samurai is being used in its plural form. So tired of that movie being trotted out.

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Here's one. If you read the book or read about the actual events behind it, it was about a bunch of Asian MIT students who taught themselves to count cards and broke the bank in Vegas. So when they made the movie for it, they decided to make the cast mostly white.


Making them all Asian would have been racist.
 
2012-10-22 11:36:38 PM
The Chinaman is not the issue here, Dude!
 
2012-10-22 11:54:20 PM

BalugaJoe: [ayeshahaq.files.wordpress.com image 300x300]


They ought to put one somewhere in every scene he's in, just to see who notices.
 
2012-10-22 11:56:19 PM
All I can say, is that if I don't get a damn MODOK in the next few years I'm going to be pretty sad.

/I would literally kill if it would mean a Nextwave movie, with no stops pulled
 
2012-10-23 01:21:23 AM
I'm cool with Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, but I always thought Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa would fit the role, on sheer attitude if nothing else.
 
2012-10-23 01:44:37 AM

Boojum2k: I'm cool with Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, but I always thought Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa would fit the role, on sheer attitude if nothing else.


Tagawa would be better as Mandarin's son, Temugin, who usurped the rings and the title from his father for a short time.
 
2012-10-23 01:48:00 AM

FuryOfFirestorm: Boojum2k: I'm cool with Ben Kingsley as the Mandarin, but I always thought Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa would fit the role, on sheer attitude if nothing else.

Tagawa would be better as Mandarin's son, Temugin, who usurped the rings and the title from his father for a short time.


Oh hell yes. On the other hand, he's 62.
 
2012-10-23 02:19:10 AM

OniExpress: All I can say, is that if I don't get a damn MODOK in the next few years I'm going to be pretty sad.

/I would literally kill if it would mean a Nextwave movie, with no stops pulled


I'd give anything to see a MODOK-Elvis on screen.
 
2012-10-23 04:06:19 AM

unlikely: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

Ramayana: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

[www.hmss.com image 187x480] nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 400x224]

I wonder what would happen if they had Colin Farrell play T'Challa


People would remember his turn as Bullseye and be correctly outraged that he were given another opportunity to fark up a comic book character.
 
2012-10-23 04:19:09 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: When white people tell themselves that a white got the job because of merit, that there were not qualified non-white actors for a role, there's a problem. So fk whites. Realize that whites aren't getting roles because they are more qualified, but because Hollywood bean counters have done the math... or are bigots themselves.


Lighten up....

/teehee
 
2012-10-23 05:05:54 AM

texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.


I read that they used MCD to play KingPin, because they could not find a white guy of appropriate stature who could act.
 
2012-10-23 05:50:24 AM
If Sir MOTHERfarkIN' Ben MOTHERfarkIN' Kingsley want to play The Mandarin, then he plays The Mandarin. If he wants to play T'Challa, he plays T'Challa.

Why?

He's Sir Motherfarkin' Ben Motherfarkin' Kingsley - that's why. Sit down, shut up and save your place in line, since you know you'll be there - opening night.
 
2012-10-23 09:07:57 AM

unlikely: Looking at the IMDB entry and all the names represented in the cast, I worry that this movie is going to fall into "Too Many Villains" syndrome.

Why does every superhero franchise have to keep adding villains with each sequel? Haven't they figured out by now that adding villains is the step before "complete fail"?


www.comics101.com 

Cha Ching!
 
2012-10-23 10:48:36 AM
They should have gotten Gede Wantanabe to play the Mandarin.
 
2012-10-23 11:38:37 AM
mfw Sir Ben Kingsley, CBE (born Krishna Pandit Bhanji; Gujarati:કૃષ્ણા પંડિત ભાણજી; 31 December 1943) i


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Sure is a lot of misplaced white guilt in hurr.
 
2012-10-24 08:38:45 AM

Neondistraction: unlikely: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

Ramayana: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

[www.hmss.com image 187x480] nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 400x224]

I wonder what would happen if they had Colin Farrell play T'Challa

People would remember his turn as Bullseye and be correctly outraged that he were given another opportunity to fark up a comic book character.


What'd he get wrong on Bullseye?

I thought he was oddly likable, for a killer.
 
2012-10-24 08:21:16 PM

Alphax: Neondistraction: unlikely: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

Ramayana: texdent: If [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x358] can be played by [upload.wikimedia.org image 250x370], then I have no problem with it.

[www.hmss.com image 187x480] nods in agreement, but when he does he looks like [latimesherocomplex.files.wordpress.com image 400x224]

I wonder what would happen if they had Colin Farrell play T'Challa

People would remember his turn as Bullseye and be correctly outraged that he were given another opportunity to fark up a comic book character.

What'd he get wrong on Bullseye?

I thought he was oddly likable, for a killer.


I didn't hate him for the role, I just thought it was a miss. He could probably knock that shiat out of the park today.
 
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