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2012-10-22 12:54:41 PM
Not sure when the whole myth of "objective journalism" started.

Sure, individual journalists can choose to subscribe to some kind of ethics, but it's not as though there are any laws that regulate journalism.

And the news media is a business. Plain and simple. If objective coverage sells, that's what you'll get. If setting puppies on fire would give them more business that's what they'll do.

/journalism major
//industry was so incredibly foul that I ended up in corporate law instead
 
2012-10-22 12:58:07 PM

Freudian_slipknot: //industry was so incredibly foul that I ended up in corporate law instead


haha, funniest thing I've read all day.
 
2012-10-22 12:58:58 PM
Gordon Bennett!
 
2012-10-22 01:08:31 PM
I don't think it ever went away, Subby.
 
2012-10-22 01:20:22 PM
William Randolf Hearst agrees.
 
2012-10-22 01:33:39 PM
The myth of journalistic objectivism was started when the Democrats and Republicans got together (that was a long, long, time, ago, before I was born, let alone you, my child) and decided that from then on, every story would have exactly two sides, Democratic and Republican, neither more nor less, and that consequently they must be given equal emphasis, time, and credibility.

This was actually enshrined in law by the three networks of the day, but it all went to Hell immediately.

For one thing, objectivism is nothing like honesty, or accuracy, or truth. It is more like a kind of perverse blinkers that objectify truthiness by treating every statement, proposition, opinion, or ideology as equally valid and equally trivial.

As practiced during my youth, objectivity was a kind of consensual reality or conventional wisdom which could not be criticized or doubted by journalists, at least in public, or editors who disagreed with their publisher's editorial policy.

It was one of the stupidest things ever done and thus a vital part of American politics, media and journalism. It even worked its way into the media practices of other countries to some extent, but not so much that you couldn't tell an American news report from a Canadian, Australian or British one.

Now it has been replaced with Fox News, a viciously opiniated, ideologically-blinkered, ultra-partisan anti-objectivity where truthiness totally replaces even a passing acquaintance with truth, on one side, and every body else (which is to say the Main Stream Media, a Liberal Conspiracy that almost totally agrees with Fox News except on minor details, such as facts) on the other side. Outside of this pseudo-dichotomy is everybody who does not make over $1,000,000 a year for appearing on TV, minus the experts, who appear on TV for the Hell of it.

Clearly the requirement that "journalists" and "news" be objective, which is to say two-sided and perfectly balanced, has been lost. At Fox News (by which we almost always mean the Op Ed Pages of the Fox News Network, which actually still does fairly informative and accurate news reports BUT NOT ON TV OR CABLE, they have decided to take one side only and to do it to death, in a giant reductio ad absurdum et credo quia absurdum est. This side fits in nicely with Murdoch's policy of keeping his hands off of any editor or property who is just exactly like him in the minutest detail. Self-censorship is obligatory, all else is free because Murdoch is not paying for it.

This seems like rank hypocrisy since Murdoch is a vile little poisonous toad who will happily bite the hand that feeds him if he is feeling the least bit peckesh, but in reality, it is pretty much the way all the Evil Press Overlords have always acted. Murdoch is old school. By which I mean a Luciferian purveyor of Dark Satanic News Mills.

No wait, I'm wrong. The myth of journalistic objectivity was actually the journalistic face of the Nineteenth Century trend known as logical positivism. This was supposedly the ideological underpinning of scientific rigour. It was resolutely reductionist, phenominal and materialist, rational and fact-based. Except that it was no such thing.

Like Ayn Rand's Objectivism, logical positivism and journalistic objectivity are complete and utter bullshiat which are scientist, not scientific, objectifying not objective, and full of shiat.

My love of satire and humour (Mark Twain, Ambroise Bierce, Charles Hoy Fort, H.L. Mencken, MAD magazine, Steve Colbert, etc.) has led me to be extremely suspicious and derisive of claims of objectivity and to suspect any belief held in common by Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, the Government and the Opposition, or any two persons whom you would not trust separately and individually. All is Maya, Delusion. Especially the news. The Buddha taught us that, or perhaps he meant to, but forgot because he had a lot of nothing on his mind.

The sad thing is that even good journalists are still taught, and still believe in, journalistic objectivity as a good, if not real, thing, as much as engineers and other jerks of that sort believe their professors on the first day of classes when the lying farkers tell them that they will be taught to think.

Teaching engineers that they are logical, rational, sane, etc., is a crime, very akin to telling them that they are consequently infallible and better than other people. Which is the lesson they really learn, the bastards.

FARK JOURNALISM, FARK POLITICS, FARK OBJECTIVITY, FARK OBJECTIVISM, AND FARK ENGINEERS.

These are just lies that professionals tell themselves and their clients. They sadly tend to believe them.

A complete contempt for journalists and editors plus connections and a certain ability to kiss ass will get you a job as publisher on any organ in Murdoch's God's Creation.

For example, the one thing I like about Lord Conrad Flack of Hackfarbour is his uttter seething hatred and contempt of journalists except for those who kiss his ass and hew to his party line, such as his lovely wife Babs did for 15 years before landing her trout.

In other words, Evil Press Overlords hate all journalists except dishonest, corrupt, and bad ones that agree with them.
 
2012-10-22 01:38:53 PM
If you don't know the story of Gordon Bennett, you should look it up.

He was one of the greatest jerks that America and the Anglo-American Empire have ever produced.

He was a drunk and was once observed pissing into a potted palm behind the door in the salon of one of America's great society hostesses. (I would say that Lyndon B. Johnson, who pissed on the leg of a Secret Service agent, has him beat there, but this is the least of his social faux pas, which were often intentional insults rather than mere conveniences.)

I am not sure he is the same Gordon Bennett that people swear by, but he could be!

After all we swear by God, the Devil and shiat, and Gordon Bennett was close to being all three.
 
2012-10-22 02:11:27 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-22 02:26:07 PM

brantgoose: My love of satire and humour (Mark Twain, Ambroise Bierce, Charles Hoy Fort, H.L. Mencken, MAD magazine, Steve Colbert, etc.) has led me to be extremely suspicious and derisive of claims of objectivity and to suspect any belief held in common by Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, the Government and the Opposition, or any two persons whom you would not trust separately and individually. All is Maya, Delusion. Especially the news. The Buddha taught us that, or perhaps he meant to, but forgot because he had a lot of nothing on his mind.


Fear and Loathing in Fark's Politics Tab.

/be careful
//this is bat country
 
2012-10-22 02:44:10 PM
Yellow journalism is dead

www.aceweekly.com

Long live "greenlight" journalism
 
2012-10-22 03:24:16 PM
Don't make Richard Mellon Scaife chortle, his monocle might pop out.
 
2012-10-22 03:28:23 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Don't make Richard Mellon Scaife chortle, his monocle might pop out.


The big difference, it seems to me anyway, is the RMS owned a small and widely disrepected newspaper in a larger market that was served by other papers. Much like the Rev. Moon's Washington Times was the laughed-at also ran in a market dominated by the Washington Post. But in this case, one guy owns two rival newspapers, the ONLY two in the media market. that's ..not good.
 
2012-10-22 04:09:52 PM

Freudian_slipknot: Not sure when the whole myth of "objective journalism" started.


With Walter Cronkite.
 
2012-10-22 04:46:21 PM
Yeah, it isn't like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, etc all have agendas. Oh, wait...
 
2012-10-22 04:46:32 PM
TFH: Hey, remember the bad old days of "yellow journalism" when ultra-rich robber barons owned almost all the newspapers and openly slanted the news to advance their ideological agendas? Good thing those days are long gone and never coming back right?

No, they never were "long gone." It's always been that way. Bad headline, bad subby!

"Freedom of the press exists for those who own one." - Anon.
 
2012-10-22 04:48:13 PM

Amos Quito: Yellow journalism is dead

[www.aceweekly.com image 416x234]

Long live "greenlight" journalism


Are you suggesting that this site's owner has become the very type of person that he vilified in his much promoted book? If only there were some sort of tag that could fully describe that type of ironic situation....
 
2012-10-22 04:48:42 PM
I thought this type of crankery was limited to blogs and youtube comments.

The editorial page named Obama the worst U.S. president and predicted a second term will result in "Arab terror states" attacking Israel, "death panels" rationing health care, income tax rates between 60 and 70 percent for many Californians and an attempt to get taxpayers to pay for late-term abortions. It warned of an effort to erase "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency.
 
2012-10-22 04:49:40 PM
And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

www.globalpost.com
 
2012-10-22 04:51:06 PM
I Am Curious, Yellow?
 
2012-10-22 04:51:18 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]


What facts did she distort? Unless you're going to try to convince me that "act of terror" does not mean "terrorism", in which case go put Rush's balls back in your mouth.
 
2012-10-22 04:51:19 PM
Wait, we're supposed to care about newspapers now?
 
2012-10-22 04:51:27 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]


Hush your mouth. The right has taken over a newspaper in San Diego, all is lost!
 
2012-10-22 04:52:58 PM

Baryogenesis: I thought this type of crankery was limited to blogs and youtube comments.

The editorial page named Obama the worst U.S. president and predicted a second term will result in "Arab terror states" attacking Israel, "death panels" rationing health care, income tax rates between 60 and 70 percent for many Californians and an attempt to get taxpayers to pay for late-term abortions. It warned of an effort to erase "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency.


I think you really need to work to be worse than Buchanan. The highlight of his presidency was his lame-duck period, when shiat sort of started to work again because Lincoln was covertly running things through proxies.
 
2012-10-22 04:53:30 PM
If you really want to get permanently depressed listen to some c-span. You see both sides are equally idiotic and grandstanding. And the call in portion proves that the average voter can't be trusted to do anything as trivial as change their own tire much less form a rational opinion on the issues and candidates.
 
2012-10-22 04:55:09 PM

Baryogenesis: I thought this type of crankery was limited to blogs and youtube comments.

The editorial page named Obama the worst U.S. president and predicted a second term will result in "Arab terror states" attacking Israel, "death panels" rationing health care, income tax rates between 60 and 70 percent for many Californians and an attempt to get taxpayers to pay for late-term abortions. It warned of an effort to erase "In God We Trust" from U.S. currency.


Given the incredible accuracy of the far-right's predictions of Obama's first term, I have no reason to think that every single one of these things won't happen.
 
2012-10-22 04:55:34 PM
Whargarbbble: Its not making false news when you leave out important parts of what the fark happened. /Wharrragrblee

/So tired of seeing news articles that leave out the reason for the why the horrible horrible guy 'had' to kill them poor teenagers or bicyclists.
//hint: Self defense.
///but spectacular headlines and missing information sells more news to R-etards.
 
2012-10-22 04:56:53 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]


The Republican and Democratic parties have directly controlled the presidential debates since 1987 and agree on moderators together. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_on_Presidential_Debates

Back in the 90s they allowed Perot to participate, but since then quickly realized that it was in their best interest to never acknowledge a 3rd party candidate again.
 
2012-10-22 04:57:13 PM
Damn posting rules and the "unlabeled NSFW links" restriction. I was going to post just the following.

Against yellow journalism?

Find out more at lemonparty.org
 
2012-10-22 05:00:52 PM
OLD MAN buys newspaper to yell at clouds.

Funny thing is these old guys bought a dying medium, will pay through the nose so they can editorialize and then lose their shirts on their investments.

This is like a guy buying the buggy whip business so he can get his message out to the masses.
 
2012-10-22 05:01:21 PM
Is this the thread where we pretend that all of the media is involved in a left-wing conspiracy and only Fox News is honest or the thread where we pretend that Fox News is proof that all of the media is right-wing?
 
2012-10-22 05:02:53 PM
I want to stab anyone that claims the medias is liberal. They are biased, but it is not a liberal point of view. Look who owns the media, how liberal could any of them really be?
 
2012-10-22 05:05:16 PM
Old news is old.
 
2012-10-22 05:06:47 PM

Callous: Is this the thread where we pretend that all of the media is involved in a left-wing conspiracy and only Fox News is honest or the thread where we pretend that Fox News is proof that all of the media is right-wing?


The important thing is you've managed to appear superior to both. You are very revolutionary indeed.
 
2012-10-22 05:07:31 PM

birchman: Amos Quito: Yellow journalism is dead

[www.aceweekly.com image 416x234]

Long live "greenlight" journalism

Are you suggesting that this site's owner has become the very type of person that he vilified in his much promoted book? If only there were some sort of tag that could fully describe that type of ironic situation....


Obvious?
Amusing?

Not sure what you're going for here...

=^D
 
2012-10-22 05:08:51 PM
There may have never been any real objectivity, but years ago at least, people knew that they were supposed to try. Now, nobody even hides their bias. It's like ethics, at least people used to realize that they were a good thing.
 
2012-10-22 05:09:26 PM

manimal2878: I want to stab anyone that claims the medias is liberal. They are biased, but it is not a liberal point of view. Look who owns the media, how liberal could any of them really be?


QFT

On average, US journalists may lean a little left. On average, it really is just a little. Remember, a US Democrat would be a conservative in most of the rest of the developed world. If you think US Democrats are liberal, you don't know what a liberal is.

The bosses of those journalists? The owners of their news organizations? Overwhelmingly conservative, overwhelmingly right of center. They keep their employees on a pretty short leash.
 
2012-10-22 05:10:49 PM
What's a newspaper?
 
2012-10-22 05:11:08 PM
Q: Why do we have biased media?
A: People want news that agrees with their own ideologies.
 
2012-10-22 05:11:12 PM
www.bloggernews.net
 
2012-10-22 05:12:12 PM

manimal2878: I want to stab anyone that claims the medias is liberal. They are biased, but it is not a liberal point of view. Look who owns the media, how liberal could any of them really be?


Little or none.
But, sounding/appearing like it is quite obviously profitable.
Paradox? Naa, just the same ole' chit.

/high time to slap the orderlies back a few steps
 
2012-10-22 05:12:33 PM

exick: Freudian_slipknot: //industry was so incredibly foul that I ended up in corporate law instead

haha, funniest thing I've read all day.


Funny and sad.
 
2012-10-22 05:13:57 PM

RembrandtQEinstein: If you really want to get permanently depressed listen to some c-span. You see both sides are equally idiotic and grandstanding. And the call in portion proves that the average voter can't be trusted to do anything as trivial as change their own tire socks much less form a rational opinion on the issues and candidates.


You give the average voter way too much credit by assuming they're almost competent enough to change a tire.
 
2012-10-22 05:15:34 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]


This sh*t, still?
 
2012-10-22 05:16:24 PM
Living in San Diego I'm glad I can get the Multiple Award Winning L. A. Times delivered to my door every morning.

The S.D. Union/Tribune has been a right wing mouth piece for far longer than I've been around in San Diego, and that is a lot more than 40 years.

/Remember San Diego is a very conservative area of the nation.
//People around here think Rush is a liberal commie and Daryl Issa is someone to be trusted.
 
2012-10-22 05:16:27 PM
Manchester, 70, is likened to a smaller market version of Rupert Murdoch

Yeah, except Murdoch is backing Obama.


rico567: TFH: Hey, remember the bad old days of "yellow journalism" when ultra-rich robber barons owned almost all the newspapers and openly slanted the news to advance their ideological agendas? Good thing those days are long gone and never coming back right?

No, they never were "long gone." It's always been that way. Bad headline, bad subby!

"Freedom of the press exists for those who own one." - Anon.


Actually I think that's A. J. Liebling.

"Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one."
 
2012-10-22 05:19:25 PM
Do you think it's just a coincidence that "news" and "Jews" rhyme?

/wait...
 
2012-10-22 05:19:33 PM
Remember the #1 rule of armchair media analysis: If the news source doesn't specifically promote conservative ideas or people , it's "liberal."
 
2012-10-22 05:20:10 PM

RandomRandom: Remember, a US Democrat would be a conservative in most of the rest of the developed world. If you think US Democrats are liberal, you don't know what a liberal is.


Let's turn that around, though. Remember, a European politician would be a liberal in most of the rest of the developed world. What we consider the developed world is basically the US and Europe. (And Japan and South Korea, but only god knows how their politics work) If you eliminate half that equation, you get a remarkably biased remaining sample.
 
2012-10-22 05:20:21 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]


Congratulations. You're officially too stupid for the internet. Few can achieve this, but by dammit you succeeded.
 
2012-10-22 05:21:11 PM
Reporting the truth takes courage.

Reporting the party line is easy.

Remember the White Rose.

/The paper's new owners already are ignoring the truth.
//Farking "death panels" lies, geez.
 
2012-10-22 05:21:29 PM

brantgoose: The myth of journalistic objectivism was started when the Democrats and Republicans got together (that was a long, long, time, ago, before I was born, let alone you, my child) and decided that from then on, every story would have exactly two sides, Democratic and Republican, neither more nor less, and that consequently they must be given equal emphasis, time, and credibility.

This was actually enshrined in law by the three networks of the day, but it all went to Hell immediately.

For one thing, objectivism is nothing like honesty, or accuracy, or truth. It is more like a kind of perverse blinkers that objectify truthiness by treating every statement, proposition, opinion, or ideology as equally valid and equally trivial.

As practiced during my youth, objectivity was a kind of consensual reality or conventional wisdom which could not be criticized or doubted by journalists, at least in public, or editors who disagreed with their publisher's editorial policy.

It was one of the stupidest things ever done and thus a vital part of American politics, media and journalism. It even worked its way into the media practices of other countries to some extent, but not so much that you couldn't tell an American news report from a Canadian, Australian or British one.

Now it has been replaced with Fox News, a viciously opiniated, ideologically-blinkered, ultra-partisan anti-objectivity where truthiness totally replaces even a passing acquaintance with truth, on one side, and every body else (which is to say the Main Stream Media, a Liberal Conspiracy that almost totally agrees with Fox News except on minor details, such as facts) on the other side. Outside of this pseudo-dichotomy is everybody who does not make over $1,000,000 a year for appearing on TV, minus the experts, who appear on TV for the Hell of it.

Clearly the requirement that "journalists" and "news" be objective, which is to say two-sided and perfectly balanced, has been lost. At Fox News (by which we almost always mean the Op Ed Pages of the Fox News Network, which actually still does fairly informative and accurate news reports BUT NOT ON TV OR CABLE, they have decided to take one side only and to do it to death, in a giant reductio ad absurdum et credo quia absurdum est. This side fits in nicely with Murdoch's policy of keeping his hands off of any editor or property who is just exactly like him in the minutest detail. Self-censorship is obligatory, all else is free because Murdoch is not paying for it.

This seems like rank hypocrisy since Murdoch is a vile little poisonous toad who will happily bite the hand that feeds him if he is feeling the least bit peckesh, but in reality, it is pretty much the way all the Evil Press Overlords have always acted. Murdoch is old school. By which I mean a Luciferian purveyor of Dark Satanic News Mills.

No wait, I'm wrong. The myth of journalistic objectivity was actually the journalistic face of the Nineteenth Century trend known as logical positivism. This was supposedly the ideological underpinning of scientific rigour. It was resolutely reductionist, phenominal and materialist, rational and fact-based. Except that it was no such thing.

Like Ayn Rand's Objectivism, logical positivism and journalistic objectivity are complete and utter bullshiat which are scientist, not scientific, objectifying not objective, and full of shiat.

My love of satire and humour (Mark Twain, Ambroise Bierce, Charles Hoy Fort, H.L. Mencken, MAD magazine, Steve Colbert, etc.) has led me to be extremely suspicious and derisive of claims of objectivity and to suspect any belief held in common by Democrats and Republicans, Liberals and Conservatives, the Government and the Opposition, or any two persons whom you would not trust separately and individually. All is Maya, Delusion. Especially the news. The Buddha taught us that, or perhaps he meant to, but forgot because he had a lot of nothing on his mind.

The sad thing is that even good journalists are still taught, and still believe in, journalistic objectivity as a good, if not real, thing, as much as engineers and other jerks of that sort believe their professors on the first day of classes when the lying farkers tell them that they will be taught to think.

Teaching engineers that they are logical, rational, sane, etc., is a crime, very akin to telling them that they are consequently infallible and better than other people. Which is the lesson they really learn, the bastards.

FARK JOURNALISM, FARK POLITICS, FARK OBJECTIVITY, FARK OBJECTIVISM, AND FARK ENGINEERS.

These are just lies that professionals tell themselves and their clients. They sadly tend to believe them.

A complete contempt for journalists and editors plus connections and a certain ability to kiss ass will get you a job as publisher on any organ in Murdoch's God's Creation.

For example, the one thing I like about Lord Conrad Flack of Hackfarbour is his uttter seething hatred and contempt of journalists except for those who kiss his ass and hew to his party line, such as his lovely wife Babs did for 15 years before landing her trout.

In other words, Evil Press Overlords hate all journalists except dishonest, corrupt, and bad ones that agree with them.


I like you, and this was a great post, but wtf on engineers?
I mean my husband is aero, and one of the only honest, non-ass kissing government workers you'll find. He's personally saved taxpayers millions and millions of dollars, and is helping to bring technology to government operations. In a sensible and ordered manner. Yes, it's been an uphill battle all the way, from local podunk politics all the way to the pentagon. But his systems WORK. Made a data cube program, for storing all Navy logistics, then made a test lab, and now he's the leader of PEMA, getting laptops to sailors and soldiers and all the places in between. He had to basically write Navy protocol, and oh how much do some want a piece of that pie. Standardization of Navair devices, with a failure swap-out policy that puts most services to shame.
I brag, cuz he never will.
I'm proud of my engineer.
Why u no like engineers, brantgoose?
 
2012-10-22 05:22:19 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.


What did she distort? One person claimed a statement was not made at a specific point, another claimed it was. Neither would budge. She ended it by pointing out that the transcript of the event showed that the statement was indeed made.
She put a dispute to rest by stating a verifiable fact, and matter or record. Thats what a moderator does. That was a statement of fact. That is not partisan, nor coming in on anyone's 'side'.

That this is considered by conservatives to be 'biased' or 'partisan', simply because the facts are inconvenient, shows precisely how far away from truth and reality that particular ideology has moved in recent years.
 
2012-10-22 05:26:08 PM
when i read a news article i tend to filter out the slant and take in the few facts that remain.
 
2012-10-22 05:29:03 PM

kindms: OLD MAN buys newspaper to yell at clouds.

Funny thing is these old guys bought a dying medium, will pay through the nose so they can editorialize and then lose their shirts on their investments.

This is like a guy buying the buggy whip business so he can get his message out to the masses.


You forgot about Poland Real Estate worth more than the paper will ever be worth. 

/the shiat we put up with in SD
 
2012-10-22 05:32:25 PM
Everyone has their own agenda. Sometimes 'journalists' have more than one....no one believes that there is unbiased journalism anymore.

webpages.charter.net
 
2012-10-22 05:33:41 PM

machoprogrammer: Yeah, it isn't like CNN, Fox, MSNBC, CBS, etc all have agendas. Oh, wait...


Well, all of those except NBC are so far in Romney's pocket, his bag hairs tickle their noses.
If their agenda is trumpeting Romney, they are succeeding.
/NBC, not so much. MSNBC is kaput.
 
2012-10-22 05:33:42 PM

grimlock1972: when i read a news article i tend to filter out the slant and take in the few facts that remain.


There are easier ways to find out today's date.
 
2012-10-22 05:43:00 PM
Hey, remember the bad old days of "yellow journalism" when ultra-rich robber barons owned almost all the newspapers and openly slanted the news to advance their ideological agendas? Good thing those days are long gone and never coming back right?

I know subby is being sarcastic, but seriously, you have to be paying absolutely no attention to the world around you if you actually thought that.
 
2012-10-22 05:43:27 PM
They should try the Washington Examiner.
 
2012-10-22 05:43:37 PM

timujin: Freudian_slipknot: Not sure when the whole myth of "objective journalism" started.

With Walter Cronkite.


I do think you are correct. It seems to be a myth perpetuated in my youth. (born in 69)
 
2012-10-22 05:45:38 PM

birchman: OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]

What facts did she distort? Unless you're going to try to convince me that "act of terror" does not mean "terrorism", in which case go put Rush's balls back in your mouth.


Dude, that argument went out the window when SHE said she got it wrong and Romney had it right...so go put Obama's balls back in your mouth.
 
2012-10-22 05:49:12 PM

DontMakeMeComeBackThere: so go put Obama's balls back in your mouth.


Mmmmmm... chocolate balls.
 
2012-10-22 05:50:27 PM
i2.listal.com
Let's go start a war...
 
2012-10-22 05:50:57 PM
Between Fox and Gannett do we have more than a dozen news organizations in this country that aren't owned by one of the 2 or 3 biggest?
 
2012-10-22 05:54:04 PM
LOL Ted Turner. Not a peep when he ran everything, now suddenly Obama gets criticized and it's time to send in the troops. Love it!
 
2012-10-22 05:58:27 PM

Pray 4 Mojo: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: so go put Obama's balls back in your mouth.

Mmmmmm... chocolate balls.


Ya forgot salty
 
2012-10-22 06:06:09 PM

ProfessorOhki: What's a newspaper?


Newspapers are actually very amazing and versatile! You can line your birdcage or catbox with them, use them to stop the paint drippings from getting on the floor of your garage, stuff them inside wet sneakers to dry them out, they make starting fires very easy, people used to wrap fish in them for storing in the fridge, homeless people stuff them into their clothes for insulation, they soak up spills easily and make good tablecloths for those messy meals, and you can whack your dog or kid pretty good if you roll them up tight and it won't leave a mark.

The comics aren't funny, the headline news is old, and if you like sports you already know the scores.
But the crossword puzzles and sudoku can be a good time waster.
 
2012-10-22 06:06:55 PM
So guess what, I worked at the Union-Tribune for over two years... ten years ago. I've since moved to Los Angeles and vowed never to return except to watch the Padres and Chargers lose at home. Even without the U-T, San Diego is a conservative blemish along the otherwise liberal west coast, with plenty of active and retired military to constantly scream "just bomb those towel heads" and plenty of elderly windbags who always find something to complain about or just stare at disapprovingly. Even if you ride out into east county, you'll just get the poorer, dumber version who think the decreasing value of their two bedroom ramshackle house on the edges of Spring Valley is all Obama's fault. If it wasn't for the large Hispanic population and 75,000 screaming college students... that city would look and feel like another Santa Barbara.
So many terrible memories of being in the wrong place: After the 2000 election debacle, they put Bush' picture on the front page claiming most polls pointed to him as the winner, then defended it saying their headline didn't actually declare a victory. The printers represented the last of the unions and protested encroachment by sending trucks to circle the building while the department heads were sitting in their office pointing and laughing at their own employees the whole time. That fat ass Copley boy who ran the paper at the time had a morning ritual of going into the cafeteria, grabbing a couple of doughnuts out of the display case with his bare hands, and then would leave without paying or even saying hello to the staff he was taking from every damn day. At one point, someone faxed a copy of the Reader article detailing his most recent drunk driving arrest as a reminder of the asshat we worked for.
Despite all of this drama, the worst I've heard has been the from the past year. They decided to turn the top floor into a museum... for newspapers? Of course not! Customized luxury cars... cars that cost 30 to 50 times the yearly $30,000 salary your average journalist makes in a city where even rent will cost you half that. All this right wing nonsense is just the tip of the iceberg... these bastards have an agenda to make San Diego even more of a conservative nutcase storage area.
 
2012-10-22 06:08:20 PM
It seems as though there is yellow ____ (fill in the blank) everywhere these days. What ever happen to anti-trust and Monopoly laws? Airlines are now down to less than a handful of companies (other than regional). Same with oil companies. The majority of talk radio stations are owned by one company. You have to look hard for frozen food that is not owned by Nestlie (Swiss), chips, not owned by Frito-Lay, or bread, not owned by Bimbos(Mexican). Most eyeglass frames are made by one company who also owns most of the retail outlets and eye care insurance (Italian). When you go into a store you think you have a select but most are all owned by a few companies that fix the prices. Companies are now able to get laws passed to eliminate competition.

Its just newspapers, its most everything. It is past time to get people to head up the FTC and other agencies that have gonads to enforce the monopoly and antitrust laws we already have on the books. Otherwise you Americans will not have a choice of anything. They will only think they do. They will not be able to shop for prices as all will be the same, set by the megacorporations. There will no longer be fair, ethical, and unbiased reporting as all of our news sources will be turned into entertainment, tabloids, and campaigns for points of view.

If you think this viewpoint is extreme just Google the products you use everyday and see just who owns them.
 
2012-10-22 06:28:10 PM
Some of you people are pathetic. Were things ever perfect? No. But people who discount the goal of demanding a *more* transparent and objective media are just as poisonous to the discourse as the leches that seek to control the entire message. Things get better and worse. This is not one of the better times. The smallest amount of math held to light holds that up as fact.
 
2012-10-22 06:33:47 PM

kindms: OLD MAN buys newspaper to yell at clouds.

Funny thing is these old guys bought a dying medium, will pay through the nose so they can editorialize and then lose their shirts on their investments.

This is like a guy buying the buggy whip business so he can get his message out to the masses.


This is like the guy buying buggy whip businesses ultra cheap as everyone knows they are mostly soon going to be out of business, so they can trade on their reputation for cheap propaganda.
 
2012-10-22 06:34:09 PM
OK, conservatives have Fox News and now this. Let's see that's 248,678 liberal news outlets to 2. Still trying to figure out Obama knew Candy Crowley had the transcript. Think, think, think....
 
2012-10-22 06:37:34 PM

Mean Daddy: Still trying to figure out Obama knew Candy Crowley had the transcript. Think, think, think....


Me too, and thinking is not encouraged.
 
2012-10-22 06:42:02 PM

Ryker's Peninsula: ProfessorOhki: What's a newspaper?

Newspapers are actually very amazing and versatile! You can line your birdcage or catbox with them, use them to stop the paint drippings from getting on the floor of your garage, stuff them inside wet sneakers to dry them out, they make starting fires very easy, people used to wrap fish in them for storing in the fridge, homeless people stuff them into their clothes for insulation, they soak up spills easily and make good tablecloths for those messy meals, and you can whack your dog or kid pretty good if you roll them up tight and it won't leave a mark.

The comics aren't funny, the headline news is old, and if you like sports you already know the scores.
But the crossword puzzles and sudoku can be a good time waster.


Excellent for cleaning windows as well.

Like... glass windows... on your car. Not the computer Windows. Just to be clear.
 
2012-10-22 06:42:13 PM

PsyLord: i2.listal.com
Let's go start a war...


www.nndb.com

'Been there, done that'
 
2012-10-22 06:54:10 PM

jimw: It seems as though there is yellow ____ (fill in the blank) everywhere these days. What ever happen to anti-trust and Monopoly laws? Airlines are now down to less than a handful of companies (other than regional). Same with oil companies. The majority of talk radio stations are owned by one company. You have to look hard for frozen food that is not owned by Nestlie (Swiss), chips, not owned by Frito-Lay, or bread, not owned by Bimbos(Mexican). Most eyeglass frames are made by one company who also owns most of the retail outlets and eye care insurance (Italian). When you go into a store you think you have a select but most are all owned by a few companies that fix the prices. Companies are now able to get laws passed to eliminate competition.


It all essentially began with the telecommunications act in the 1990s. It broke the restrictions on how many media outlets a corporation was allowed to hold. Over time the corporations bought out the independents and consolidated more and more of the market. The various corporations that own the news channels have interest/investment in other news corporations and/or their subsidiaries, or owner corporations, so there is basically an incestuous kinda thing going on where most channels a financial interest not to report certain stories. Add to that the ideas of corporate profitability you have today's mess.

Watch the unedited video that little ultra conservative turd made of the former NPR president? not sure what his position was-anyway his view point of the current media situation is pretty grim, and he has alot of interesting things to say. No more investigative journalism, no more foreign bureaus, ect.

The most depressing thing about this thread, though, is the wanna be hard ass cynicism about how "there never was unbiased journalism, dude". Maybe not completely unbiased, no, but there were many journalists that had ethical standards that they had to adhere to. Now that's gone and we've got a bunch of nitwits who expect journalism to be corrupt and biased as a matter of course.

-----------------------------------
Also,

media.npr.org

Listen, read or watch if you want real news, for farks sake...
 
2012-10-22 07:01:00 PM
You have to ask yourself, how many multi-millionaire liberals do you know.

It's called "Liberal Media" when they accidently find a republican with his hand in the till.
 
2012-10-22 07:02:57 PM

Marcintosh: You have to ask yourself, how many multi-millionaire liberals do you know.

It's called "Liberal Media" when they accidently find a republican with his hand in the till.


This.
 
2012-10-22 07:03:43 PM
I only read newspapers that endorse an anarchist-polyamorist agenda.

/Just kidding. I don't read news...papers.
 
2012-10-22 07:10:26 PM

Pete_T_Mann: Also,

media.npr.org

Listen, read or watch if you want real news, for farks sake...


You were doing so very well there right up until that point, then it was just a face palm moment.
 
2012-10-22 07:19:10 PM

TheMysticS: Pray 4 Mojo: DontMakeMeComeBackThere: so go put Obama's balls back in your mouth.

Mmmmmm... chocolate balls.

Ya forgot salty


Put 'em in your mouth and suck 'em and suck 'em!
 
2012-10-22 07:39:28 PM

randomjsa: You were doing so very well there right up until that point, then it was just a face palm moment.


Thats funny, I had a facepalm with a head shake when I read your comment.

If NPR is biased, please provide evidence of this, I'd like to see it. Real evidence, please. Fringe right wing websites that believe Obama is a secret muslim with no birth certificate don't count.
 
2012-10-22 07:40:53 PM
Yahoo News, go figure.
 
2012-10-22 08:00:01 PM

Baryogenesis: grimlock1972: when i read a news article i tend to filter out the slant and take in the few facts that remain.

There are easier ways to find out today's date.


LOL you sir win an internets.
 
2012-10-22 08:04:27 PM
I worked as an editor/reporter for close to ten years. It is so not the big liberal conspiracy that some people think it is. It's fairly well established that it's impossible to be 100% impartial, and to that I will say that journalism has NEVER been unbiased. Most of the time it comes down to perception by the reader. It's a stressful, low respect and low wage profession. Teachers make more money than entry-lever writers.
 
2012-10-22 08:04:44 PM

Marcintosh: You have to ask yourself, how many multi-millionaire liberals do you know.


Serious? I guess this is a rhetorical question... or was supposed to be... but the answer ("A lot.") doesn't seem to jive with that other thing you said... so... 'sup with that?
 
2012-10-22 08:06:52 PM

yellowjester: Yahoo News, go figure.


Like I said, the idea of a liberal or conservative bias comes down to reader's perception, in this case, the constant belief that these stories come from Yahoo-most of them don't, this story was from the Associated Press, so, go figure that.
 
2012-10-22 08:13:08 PM

OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]


and that's why we hate conservatives. Candy Crowley contradicted Romney with a FACT, and even then wimped out by offering him a "well you're correct in spirit" salve and you idiots STILL see that as evidence of horrible bias.
 
2012-10-22 08:16:35 PM

Zizzowop: yellowjester: Yahoo News, go figure.

Like I said, the idea of a liberal or conservative bias comes down to reader's perception, in this case, the constant belief that these stories come from Yahoo-most of them don't, this story was from the Associated Press, so, go figure that.


WHY DOES INTERNET EXPLORER KEEP PUBLISHING ALL THESE LIBERAL BIASES?
 
2012-10-22 08:19:42 PM

ProfessorOhki: Zizzowop: yellowjester: Yahoo News, go figure.

Like I said, the idea of a liberal or conservative bias comes down to reader's perception, in this case, the constant belief that these stories come from Yahoo-most of them don't, this story was from the Associated Press, so, go figure that.

WHY DOES INTERNET EXPLORER KEEP PUBLISHING ALL THESE LIBERAL BIASES?


I don't know, Firefox is suppose to be fair and balanced.
 
2012-10-22 08:20:31 PM
What koch and bull allegations.
 
2012-10-22 08:40:07 PM

Magorn: OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]

and that's why we hate conservatives. Candy Crowley contradicted Romney with a FACT, and even then wimped out by offering him a "well you're correct in spirit" salve and you idiots STILL see that as evidence of horrible bias.


First... the guy I'm voting for wasn't there... just so that's clear.

Now... It was not a FACT. The President used the words "act of terror" in his Rose Garden speech... he did not call the attack an "act of terror"... which she said he did.

Also... it's not her place to fact check on the fly during a debate. Why? Because shiat like this happens.

I'm not claiming that this shows intentional bias... however... what Candy did was out of line and a serious breach of her responsibilities.

That's why we hate Liberals... any suggestion that someone even slightly to the left made a mistake... and you run around screaming with your fingers in your ears...

/I'm not really part of a 'we'.
//just making a point
 
2012-10-22 08:44:09 PM
The only reason this is news is because he is a Conservative. The Liberals have been ding this for years with TV and in the Papers
 
2012-10-22 08:44:50 PM
There will never be unbiased journalism, and there never has been. As long as human beings are involved, their prejudices, ideology, and personalities will come through whatever they write or say. I don't want them to be neutral, they can't be. I just want to know what happened.
 
2012-10-22 08:52:25 PM
the media has always been in the pocket of the rich. The media depends on ads bought by rich investors. Duh.

fricking online idiots...
 
2012-10-22 09:00:10 PM

nicoffeine: There will never be unbiased journalism, and there never has been. As long as human beings are involved, their prejudices, ideology, and personalities will come through whatever they write or say. I don't want them to be neutral, they can't be. I just want to know what happened.


This. Just inform as best they can, that's all people want.
 
2012-10-22 09:37:56 PM

Amos Quito: Yellow journalism is dead

[www.aceweekly.com image 416x234]

Long live "greenlight" journalism


Yeah, pretty much. If you can get enough people's attention these days, you can get all kinds of bullshiat passed off as legitimate news.
 
2012-10-22 09:58:48 PM
This isn't the only one. The Seattle Times just ran a house ad for the Republican gubernatorial (love that word) candidate. The journalistic staff freaked out. Rightly so. I'm sure the only reason the TImes thought they could get away with it was that the other, better, daily newspaper in town folded a few years ago.

///Seattle Times is now so unimpressive the only reason I subscribe is so Raoul Jr. can read the Sunday funnies.
//You'd think they'd figure out--if they want to compete with online sources they have to get BETTER, not WORSE.
 
2012-10-22 10:12:14 PM
"It's a strong voice for a minority viewpoint in the media," countered Josef Horowitz, a 67-year-old retired college administrator who renewed his subscription in March, having canceled it under previous owners because he felt the editorials were mealy-mouthed and too liberal.

This reminds me of farkers who ignore farkers because they don't want to hear what they have to say.

/ignore list does not exist
 
2012-10-22 10:21:58 PM
Journalist here.

As far as I can tell, media conglomeration has never been greater. Even in the robber baron era, small town newspapers were generally owned independently. That is no longer the case.

That being said, the company I work for has a strong firewall between the advertisers and owners and the reporters and editors. The business is owned by a fortune 500 company, but that company has specifically stated as corporate policy they will not influence news. And they don't.
 
2012-10-22 10:25:12 PM

birchman: OscarTamerz: And thankfully there's no left wing bias working to distort the facts in the main stream media or in the presidential debates.

[www.globalpost.com image 360x240]

What facts did she distort? Unless you're going to try to convince me that "act of terror" does not mean "terrorism", in which case go put Rush's balls back in your mouth.


She miraculously called "time" when Mitt was going to destroy Obama on at least 2 retorts, and everybody was waiting for it.

She spouted about how Mitt and Paul Ryan were the devil's rejects essentially...that's hardly bi-partisan enough to warrant moderating a presidential debate.
 
2012-10-22 10:33:29 PM

Vodka Zombie: I don't think it ever went away, Subby.


Came here to say this, the news has always been slanted, there were just fewer ways to catch their lies before.
 
2012-10-22 11:01:36 PM
www.topnews.in
 
2012-10-22 11:21:36 PM

Latinwolf: exick: Freudian_slipknot: //industry was so incredibly foul that I ended up in corporate law instead

haha, funniest thing I've read all day.

Funny and sad.


Funny, sad and true.
 
2012-10-22 11:25:27 PM
Conservatives: Obama has accomplished nothing these past four years, but given another four years he'll destroy America.
 
2012-10-22 11:36:54 PM
Newspaper whats that?
 
2012-10-22 11:37:18 PM
Seriously?

Really?

Only conservatives are media yellow journalist scrotums for political manipulation?

static2.businessinsider.com 

images.politico.com

laist.com

static.flickr.com

cdn.hwhills.com

www.mediabistro.com

twimg0-a.akamaihd.net

www.mediabistro.com

www-deadline-com.vimg.net

Because these, and another ten thousand outlets are all hide bound conservative news venues, owned by gazillionaires bent on securing a religious dictatorship which will outlaw San Francisco park nuidity and free Sandra Fluk contraception aids. 

Juvenile is as juvenile does
 
2012-10-23 12:18:55 AM
Paging mister Gail Wynand.

Mr. Wynand, please answer the white phone.
 
2012-10-23 12:19:22 AM

Pete_T_Mann: randomjsa: You were doing so very well there right up until that point, then it was just a face palm moment.

Thats funny, I had a facepalm with a head shake when I read your comment.

If NPR is biased, please provide evidence of this, I'd like to see it. Real evidence, please. Fringe right wing websites that believe Obama is a secret muslim with no birth certificate don't count.


Don't hold your breath.
 
2012-10-23 01:05:56 AM
I'd go back to the days of yellow journalism if it meant we got Thomas Nash cartoons again.
 
2012-10-23 02:31:40 AM

Ryker's Peninsula: ProfessorOhki: What's a newspaper?

Newspapers are actually very amazing and versatile! You can line your birdcage or catbox with them, use them to stop the paint drippings from getting on the floor of your garage, stuff them inside wet sneakers to dry them out, they make starting fires very easy, people used to wrap fish in them for storing in the fridge, homeless people stuff them into their clothes for insulation, they soak up spills easily and make good tablecloths for those messy meals, and you can whack your dog or kid pretty good if you roll them up tight and it won't leave a mark.

The comics aren't funny, the headline news is old, and if you like sports you already know the scores.
But the crossword puzzles and sudoku can be a good time waster.


I can make a hat or a brooch or a pterodactyl !!!


Baryogenesis: grimlock1972: when i read a news article i tend to filter out the slant and take in the few facts that remain.

There are easier ways to find out today's date.


int main (void) {
...fget comment_number;
......do {
.........click_funny = "yes";
.........click_smart = "yes";
......} while (comment_number = c80187952) ;
...printf("Nicely done!\n");
...printf("I lol'd!!!")
...return 0;
}
 
2012-10-23 04:30:39 AM
John Swinton on the "free press":


"There is no such thing, at this date of the world's history, in America, as an independent press. You know it and I know it.

"There is not one of you who dares to write your honest opinions, and if you did, you know beforehand that it would never appear in print. I am paid weekly for keeping my honest opinion out of the paper I am connected with. Others of you are paid similar salaries for similar things, and any of you who would be so foolish as to write honest opinions would be out on the streets looking for another job. If I allowed my honest opinions to appear in one issue of my paper, before twenty-four hours my occupation would be gone.

"The business of the journalists is to destroy the truth, to lie outright, to pervert, to vilify, to fawn at the feet of mammon, and to sell his country and his race for his daily bread. You know it and I know it, and what folly is this toasting an independent press?

"We are the tools and vassals of rich men behind the scenes. We are the jumping jacks, they pull the strings and we dance. Our talents, our possibilities and our lives are all the property of other men. We are intellectual prostitutes."

(Source: Labor's Untold Story, by Richard O. Boyer and Herbert M. Morais, published by United Electrical, Radio & Machine Workers of America, NY, 1955/1979.)
 
2012-10-23 07:54:08 AM
You mean the days when six corporations own almost all media, 90% of it with a left-leaning bias?

Yep.
 
2012-10-23 08:03:52 AM

Freudian_slipknot: Not sure when the whole myth of "objective journalism" started.

Sure, individual journalists can choose to subscribe to some kind of ethics, but it's not as though there are any laws that regulate journalism.

And the news media is a business. Plain and simple. If objective coverage sells, that's what you'll get. If setting puppies on fire would give them more business that's what they'll do.

/journalism major
//industry was so incredibly foul that I ended up in corporate law instead


Came to put in my 2 cents but I can't really beat that. If you're just getting scared now you'd better be wearing life jacket because the decks awash and the last life boat already sailed..
 
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