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(ABC)   "Clearly our children are not getting more stupid, cheerleading is becoming more dangerous" summarizes report from Save Our Snowflakes Institute   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 54
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2012-10-22 02:08:31 PM
*stupider*
 
2012-10-22 02:19:06 PM
Hey, getting a train run on you by the football team after purging for the better part of an hour is demanding work.
 
2012-10-22 02:43:24 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Hey, getting a train run on you by the football team after purging for the better part of an hour is demanding work.


None of them would go out with you, hmm?
 
2012-10-22 02:56:25 PM

give me doughnuts: None of them would go out with you, hmm?


Yeah because like, everyone knows that like, cheerleaders are never like, you know, like whores. We totes spread only for like, making babies for Jesus.

*Chomping gum, twirling hair*
 
2012-10-22 03:53:52 PM
When I was in High school our cheerleading team did some pretty impressive gymnastics. Sure, some of them were vapid whores, but the same is true of every single social group in my high school, except for the Academic Decathlon/Model UN/Debate team types. And while none of us were vapid, we had some whores in that demographic.
 
2012-10-22 03:56:44 PM
Cheerleading is as much of a sport as gymnastics. Really, it's the same damn thing only with other people and skirts instead of alone and in a onesie.
 
2012-10-22 04:32:46 PM
Clearly our children are getting more stupid...
 
2012-10-22 04:33:28 PM
danger, will robinson! danger danger!

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2012-10-22 04:34:11 PM
If they don't get those brain injuries, I'll never be able to convince them to drink that fifth apple-tini.
 
2012-10-22 04:35:03 PM
I can has cheerleader thread?
 
2012-10-22 04:35:35 PM
You are more likely to get injured cheerleading than basketball or football.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/19/sports-injury-re s earch-cheerleading-riskier-football/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090803222113.htm
 
2012-10-22 04:35:55 PM
Just like other athletes, cheerleaders should be required to do conditioning exercises and undergo physical exams before joining the squad, the new policy says.

shouldn't you do this sort of thing before any physical activity at school?
 
2012-10-22 04:36:30 PM
Send all the broken female cheerleaders to my bunk.
 
2012-10-22 04:39:34 PM

Aarontology: Cheerleading is as much of a sport as gymnastics. Really, it's the same damn thing only with other people and skirts instead of alone and in a onesie.


Oh, and they don't use gym mats and they take greater risks for more points when trying out for a team or competing.
 
2012-10-22 04:40:13 PM
 
2012-10-22 04:40:30 PM
FTA:

"Kali Wald of Elburn, Ill., suffered a serious concussion last year during an acrobatic routine with her high school's competitive team; teammates tossed her in the air but she landed wrong twice, first on her upper back and neck, then on her head. She blacked out for several minutes.

Her father, Dave Wald, said her coaches didn't realize she was seriously injured and never called an ambulance."

-sounds like she wasn't the only one with a brain injury that day.
 
2012-10-22 04:40:41 PM
Actually, if you take a look at contemporary competitions, cheerleading really has branched out into some pretty dangerous stuff. Aerials come to mind. It looks awesome, but if it ever used to be the safest sport out there, it sure isn't anymore.
 
2012-10-22 04:41:25 PM
A friend of mine likes to watch college football to try and identify who the future pros might be.

I like to watch college football to look at the cheerleaders and try to identify who the future porn stars might be.
 
2012-10-22 04:44:30 PM

loonatic112358: Just like other athletes, cheerleaders should be required to do conditioning exercises and undergo physical exams before joining the squad, the new policy says.

shouldn't you do this sort of thing before any physical activity at school?


Yes, but unless the cheerleading coach is actually trained to be a coach, she may not realize that.

The point of the article is that cheerleading used to be fairly simple and qualified as a club. Teachers who run clubs aren't required to have the athletic training know-how that coaches do.
 
2012-10-22 04:44:31 PM
Actually I disagree.

Children are getting stupider.

The idiocracy principle.
 
2012-10-22 04:45:12 PM
There was an expose about this not too long ago on 60 minutes or similar investigative reporting show.

Cheerleading is denied recognition as a sport is for one reason and one reason only: corporate greed.

One company holds a near-monopoly on the billion+ dollar cheerleading industry and they'll be damned if they'll let that go. Title IX recognition of cheerleading as a sport would destroy their control over their cash cow.
 
2012-10-22 04:48:34 PM

blazemongr: Teachers who run clubs aren't required to have the athletic training know-how that coaches do.


Gabrielmot: Her father, Dave Wald, said her coaches didn't realize she was seriously injured and never called an ambulance."

-sounds like she wasn't the only one with a brain injury that day.


Penn & Teller did a pretty good episode looking at high school cheerleading and one of the biggest gripes they had was concerning the coaches. How they're usually unqualified, despite witnessing terrible injuries would just sit back on their haunches until they think the girl may be down for a little to long and all they have to say is "walk it off" in response to a possible concussion. They were also pretty brutal when discussing a sports wear company that literally has a monopoly on all things cheerleading to include being the largest employer and job placement source for said coaches.
 
2012-10-22 04:50:49 PM
I'll be back later when this has (hopefully) become a cheerleader thread.
 
2012-10-22 04:51:51 PM
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Heads up!
 
2012-10-22 04:54:08 PM
That wasn't 60 minutes. It was an episode of Leverage.
 
2012-10-22 04:59:03 PM

rockforever: You are more likely to get injured cheerleading than basketball or football.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/19/sports-injury-re s earch-cheerleading-riskier-football/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090803222113.htm



I wonder if that is true once you take into account all the unreported concussions in football.
 
2012-10-22 05:12:54 PM

EMCGuy: rockforever: You are more likely to get injured cheerleading than basketball or football.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/19/sports-injury-re s earch-cheerleading-riskier-football/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090803222113.htm


I wonder if that is true once you take into account all the unreported concussions in football.


I got farking smoked returning (or trying to) a punt. My mom finally took me to the hospital 2 hours after the game. That was 1994 though.
 
2012-10-22 05:13:41 PM

EMCGuy: rockforever: You are more likely to get injured cheerleading than basketball or football.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/19/sports-injury-re s earch-cheerleading-riskier-football/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090803222113.htm


I wonder if that is true once you take into account all the unreported concussions in football.


Then you'd have to take into account all the unreported concussions in cheerleading too. Both are not very plausible to do though.
 
2012-10-22 05:14:44 PM
Cheer is not a sport. Neither is gymnastics. Both demand a high level of athleticism but sans an objective method of scoring they cannot be called a sport.
 
2012-10-22 05:18:00 PM

blacksho89: sans an objective method of scoring


Then how do they determine the winners of cheerleading competitions?
 
2012-10-22 05:25:18 PM
Then how do they determine the winners of cheerleading competitions?

A panel of judges. They use their best judgement, but it's still subjective.
 
2012-10-22 05:25:28 PM

blatz514: EMCGuy: rockforever: You are more likely to get injured cheerleading than basketball or football.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/19/sports-injury-re s earch-cheerleading-riskier-football/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090803222113.htm


I wonder if that is true once you take into account all the unreported concussions in football.

I got farking smoked returning (or trying to) a punt. My mom finally took me to the hospital 2 hours after the game. That was 1994 though.


heh... kick off and punting were my favorite times to be on the field. nothing like sprinting with the whole purpose of callously throwing yourself into someone...
 
2012-10-22 05:28:52 PM

Aarontology: Cheerleading is as much of a sport as gymnastics. Really, it's the same damn thing only with other people and skirts instead of alone and in a onesie.


This. My niece is only 13 and her recent tryouts for the JV squad was pretty involved. They're expected to do a lot more than when I was a kid. They start learning builds and tosses by age 10 around here and they can be really dangerous if improperly done or without proper spotters. Kid just got a cast off her leg a few weeks ago. How'd she break it? Another girl dropped her during a basket toss.

It's not just Ra Ra and pompoms anymore. It really does take skill and dedication like any other sport.
 
2012-10-22 05:43:54 PM
They should wear helmets, but then they wouldn't look as hot.
Helmets aren't hot.
Brain injuries can be. NO! Bad Farker!
 
2012-10-22 05:58:39 PM

clyph: There was an expose about this not too long ago on 60 minutes or similar investigative reporting show.

Cheerleading is denied recognition as a sport is for one reason and one reason only: corporate greed.

One company holds a near-monopoly on the billion+ dollar cheerleading industry and they'll be damned if they'll let that go. Title IX recognition of cheerleading as a sport would destroy their control over their cash cow.



You know last time i checked cheering was just something they did as a sideshow during ACTUAL sports matches.
 
2012-10-22 06:00:55 PM

clyph: blacksho89: sans an objective method of scoring

Then how do they determine the winners of cheerleading competitions?


Via subjective means - the judges' opinions. Mind you, I am not belittling cheer (it's no longer cheerleading, btw) or gymnastic as athletic endeavors beyond my marathon midpacker's abilities.
 
2012-10-22 06:01:38 PM

Omahawg: danger, will robinson! danger danger!

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She's presenting like a mandrill!
 
2012-10-22 06:10:24 PM
I don't accept the premise of the argument ("children are not getting more stupid")
 
2012-10-22 06:22:39 PM
I was a cheerleader in high school, and being 4'11" and 100 lbs, I was always on the top of the stunts. Falling from the top of those pyramids is no joke.

/but also sorry to the people below me that got a foot in the face when I fell
//all honors classes and didn't have sex until after high school, suck it stereotypes.
 
2012-10-22 06:37:23 PM

CaptainBeer: Then how do they determine the winners of cheerleading competitions?

A panel of judges. They use their best judgement, but it's still subjective.


Yeah... because games like football are completely objective and require no subjective judgement that could ever be wrong.

Most of the judges ARE full of BS, though - the "training" they go through is pitiful at best, so it is kind of true about it being a crapshoot at times. I disagree with the general premise that "sports" are only those that have clear, objective goals. Gymnastics is clearly a sport (it's an iconic Olympic event) but it is still judged by panels.

If you think about it, there's a kind of symmetry between events like cheerleading/gymanstics and other sports like football/basketball - the awarding of "points" is somewhat arbitrary in both cases. Why is maneuver A worth more points than maneuver B in gymnastics? Because a bunch of people got together and decided that it was more difficult. Why is a half-court shot worth more points than a layup? Because a bunch of people got together and decided it was more difficult. There is no universal scientific law that says that a three-point shot is exactly three times more difficult than a free throw (although, as with the cheerleading example, most reasonable people could probably agree on which moves are more/less difficult).

I suppose the main difference, if you think about it, is that in sports like football and and basketball, there is only a very narrowly defined set of athletic moves that you can perform that will earn you points, whereas cheerleading and gymnastics open up a lot more room for individuals to showcase a broad range of athletic prowess (which necessarily involves a more complicated scoring process).

/Wife's a cheerleading coach - but a qualified one, who takes the health of her girls seriously.
 
2012-10-22 07:00:07 PM
Wut you mean we cain't build no you-man peer-a-mid no fity feets hi? I done seen it on the internets. You juss hafta put the guys on top cause they's taller dumm ass.
 
2012-10-22 07:03:40 PM
Competitive cheer (as opposed to the cheering on the sidelines of a game) is a sport to the same extent that gymnastics, diving, boxing and other judge-determined athletic competitions are. It's not a game, but it's a sport.

/Yes, I said boxing.
 
2012-10-22 07:04:51 PM

rockforever: EMCGuy: rockforever: You are more likely to get injured cheerleading than basketball or football.

http://www.columbiamissourian.com/stories/2008/09/19/sports-injury-re s earch-cheerleading-riskier-football/

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/08/090803222113.htm


I wonder if that is true once you take into account all the unreported concussions in football.

Then you'd have to take into account all the unreported concussions in cheerleading too. Both are not very plausible to do though.


I suspect that most concussions aren't reported in cheerleading. Tell her to walk it off, have somebody drive her home, spends the next day or two throwing up, and she's fine. Except for all the twitching, of course.

Do most cheerleading squads even have a medical professional on staff?
 
2012-10-22 07:21:43 PM

lamecomedian: CaptainBeer: Then how do they determine the winners of cheerleading competitions?

A panel of judges. They use their best judgement, but it's still subjective.

Yeah... because games like football are completely objective and require no subjective judgement that could ever be wrong.

Most of the judges ARE full of BS, though - the "training" they go through is pitiful at best, so it is kind of true about it being a crapshoot at times. I disagree with the general premise that "sports" are only those that have clear, objective goals. Gymnastics is clearly a sport (it's an iconic Olympic event) but it is still judged by panels.

If you think about it, there's a kind of symmetry between events like cheerleading/gymanstics and other sports like football/basketball - the awarding of "points" is somewhat arbitrary in both cases. Why is maneuver A worth more points than maneuver B in gymnastics? Because a bunch of people got together and decided that it was more difficult. Why is a half-court shot worth more points than a layup? Because a bunch of people got together and decided it was more difficult. There is no universal scientific law that says that a three-point shot is exactly three times more difficult than a free throw (although, as with the cheerleading example, most reasonable people could probably agree on which moves are more/less difficult).

I suppose the main difference, if you think about it, is that in sports like football and and basketball, there is only a very narrowly defined set of athletic moves that you can perform that will earn you points, whereas cheerleading and gymnastics open up a lot more room for individuals to showcase a broad range of athletic prowess (which necessarily involves a more complicated scoring process).

/Wife's a cheerleading coach - but a qualified one, who takes the health of her girls seriously.


Tell your wife she's appreciated. We need more coaches with training and brains. We have a few here that are great and others that, well, aren't so great.

A lot of Mean Girl moms out there that think they can coach because 20 years and 50lbs ago they were cheerleaders. THAT gets kids hurt more than it being a risky sport.

So, yeah, thumbs up to your Mrs., lamecomedian. She sounds like one of the good ones.
 
2012-10-22 07:23:34 PM
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2012-10-22 07:25:01 PM
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2012-10-22 07:25:37 PM
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2012-10-22 07:31:55 PM
Well I saw a bullshiat ep on this. The chances of getting hurt seriously hurt doing cheer leading is 100%. They don't have the same athletic protections that ALL other sports have but are controlled by a single mega corp that does everything for them. Make them a sport so the children can have correct protection under section 9.
 
2012-10-22 07:38:51 PM

clyph: There was an expose about this not too long ago on 60 minutes or similar investigative reporting show.

Cheerleading is denied recognition as a sport is for one reason and one reason only: corporate greed.

One company holds a near-monopoly on the billion+ dollar cheerleading industry and they'll be damned if they'll let that go. Title IX recognition of cheerleading as a sport would destroy their control over their cash cow.


I go to a sport to see the sport anddddd..find cheerleaders useless distractions. If cheerleading is a sport, quit being a distraction in other sports (which actually promote the idea that cheerleading is but 2nd rate filler - much like a mascot) and limit your sport to events/tourneys with - and only with - other cheerleading squads.
 
2012-10-22 07:56:59 PM
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