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2012-10-22 06:28:25 PM

bluelime: Ok, so the ballot is bigger and therefore requires more postage. That stinks.
USPS is sending even if people don't put on the extra postage. Great, that's nice of them.


Giant Leap....


ZOMG Conservative conspiracy. Yeah, that's logical.


Welcome to Fark lol
 
2012-10-22 06:29:04 PM

Headso: Because of the size of the 2012 mailer,the Hamilton County Board of Elections in Ohio say you should put 65 cents worth of postage on most absentee ballots, about 20 cents more than the standard Forever Stamp.

great, now the weight of the ballots is going to become a partisan issue.


In 2004 they were going to throw out tens of thousands of new voter registrations because they were submitted on paper of the improper thickness
 
2012-10-22 06:31:05 PM
Sounds a lot like a poll tax.
 
2012-10-22 06:33:43 PM
All it takes is a Zip code. If the ballot is out of a poor gerry-mandered district, toss it. If it's out of a rich gerry-mandered district, count it.

But the Republicans aren't trying to steal the election. If they were trying to do that, they would be buying voting machines in Ohio.
 
2012-10-22 06:36:36 PM
Florida voting machine:

Link
 
2012-10-22 06:38:18 PM

orlandomagik: So can I, and its pretty obvious that he means is there any direct evidence that raising the postage was in reaction to Obama getting votes.


Do you think subby is serious about that allegation or is using it to attract comments to their submitted thread? My opinion is that it's the latter (and that you should lighten up a little :P ).

And while I highly doubt there is anything hard, IIRC the elections board in ohio is Republican controlled and has been doing some shady shiat this season, so i can see where people would make this connection. Of course, even if that were true, it still wouldn't be a reaction to them seeing Obama getting votes, but could still have been done as a preemptive measure, and really what would the difference be.

It would be a lame and pretty dangerous attempt at disenfranchisement for the GOP. Let's be honest here: Romney voters aren't exactly the swiftest people in the world, nor are they stellar readers. How many of them would have lost their vote had the USPS decided to return their ballots?

On the other hand, the GOP hasn't exactly been rational in recent memory. Regardless I think we're taking the headline far too seriously.
 
2012-10-22 06:44:46 PM
So what you're really saying is democrat voters are either (A) too stupid to put enough postage on the ballot, (B) too cheap, or of course everyone's favorite answer (C) Both.
 
2012-10-22 06:44:53 PM
Jiro Dreams Of McRibs
But the Republicans aren't trying to steal the election. If they were trying to do that, they would be buying voting machines in Ohio.


You are much too subtle.
Link
 
2012-10-22 06:49:38 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: orlandomagik: So can I, and its pretty obvious that he means is there any direct evidence that raising the postage was in reaction to Obama getting votes.

Do you think subby is serious about that allegation or is using it to attract comments to their submitted thread? My opinion is that it's the latter (and that you should lighten up a little :P ).

And while I highly doubt there is anything hard, IIRC the elections board in ohio is Republican controlled and has been doing some shady shiat this season, so i can see where people would make this connection. Of course, even if that were true, it still wouldn't be a reaction to them seeing Obama getting votes, but could still have been done as a preemptive measure, and really what would the difference be.

It would be a lame and pretty dangerous attempt at disenfranchisement for the GOP. Let's be honest here: Romney voters aren't exactly the swiftest people in the world, nor are they stellar readers. How many of them would have lost their vote had the USPS decided to return their ballots?

On the other hand, the GOP hasn't exactly been rational in recent memory. Regardless I think we're taking the headline far too seriously.


The headline is the whole point. What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot? No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1. This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.
 
2012-10-22 06:52:00 PM
Absentee ballots go so overwhelmingly for Democrats that Al "Count All The Votes" Gore tried his best o have as many of them as possible thrown out in 2000.

And it has been the Republicans, not the Democrats, who have complained about absentee ballots not going out in a hand full of cases.
 
2012-10-22 06:52:27 PM

jake3988: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.
===================================================================== = =================

Um, Ohio has been early voting for over 2 weeks now. Republicans want to abolish it, and did pass a law overturning it, but thankfully the supreme court (ohio supreme court I think) told them to shove it.

But as I'd rather not have to drive downtown to the board of elections to vote, I'll just vote absentee.


Well there's yer problem. Both the part about people trying to get rid of it, and the fact that you apparently have to go to a single location. We've got early voting locations everywhere. Seriously everywhere. You can vote in the freaking grocery stores. And it's not like you have one assigned place to go. You just show up at any one of the locations and go vote.

Probably a little harder if you live in the boonies, but surely you're making a weekly grocery run anyhow, right?
 
2012-10-22 06:54:01 PM
Is there anyone here likely to vote Republican here who sees little power grab moves and is concerned by it?

Or do you see it as part of the democratic process?
 
2012-10-22 06:57:38 PM

Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.

I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.


Yup. Oregon is a vote-by-mail state, and I already voted. The envelope isn't pre-paid, but there are dropboxes everywhere. I just walked around the corner to the library to drop mine off.
 
2012-10-22 06:58:39 PM

randomjsa: And it has been the Republicans, not the Democrats, who have complained about absentee ballots not going out in a hand full of cases.


this is actually probably true, take note farkers. I would imagine old people make up much of the absentee ballots.
 
2012-10-22 06:58:50 PM
My most recent:

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers (including kindergarten teachers)
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Energy-efficient light bulbs
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17
Fact Checkers
Australia
Mitt Romney
Rasmussen
Fox News
Lockheed Martin
Bureau of Labor Statistics
Paul Ryan
Debate moderators
Google
Soup kitchens
United States Postal Service
 
2012-10-22 06:59:15 PM
and military who traditionally support republicans
 
2012-10-22 07:01:28 PM

badaboom: The headline is the whole point. What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot? No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1. This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.


You clearly have no idea what the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy is capable of. There's no Machiavellian scheme that is beyond them. The depth of their evil genius is unparalleled. And it's all the more remarkable because they're also dumber than stumps and couldn't find their butt with Google Ass.
 
2012-10-22 07:04:16 PM

badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?


Absentee voters voting for Obama and USPS sending ballots despite insufficient postage. Two out of three is pretty damn good for Fark.
 
2012-10-22 07:04:20 PM
costermonger,
Jews
Satan
ABC


I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.
 
2012-10-22 07:07:36 PM

Enemabag Jones: I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.


Sometimes I wonder about some of them too. Like low-flow toilets.
 
2012-10-22 07:10:47 PM

Taylor Mental: badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?

Absentee voters voting for Obama and USPS sending ballots despite insufficient postage. Two out of three is pretty damn good for Fark.


Umm, absentee voters vote for Romney too. So, based on YOUR logic we can state without a doubt this is a conspiracy to keep Romney votes from being counted.
 
2012-10-22 07:15:35 PM

badaboom: The headline is the whole point.


You've been on this site for a long time. Are you telling me you are just now noticing that the headlines are often ridiculous?

What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot?

Users post threads. Admins greenlight them to the mainpage. Moderators mostly just get drunk on cheap bourbon and occasionally go nuts with the thread editting tools.

No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1.

Are you the submitter? Do you have magic mind reading powers? Do you have sand in the orifice which you prefer intercourse with?

This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.

This isn't even the most tinfoil hat headline of today.
 
2012-10-22 07:21:20 PM

costermonger: Enemabag Jones: I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.

Sometimes I wonder about some of them too. Like low-flow toilets.


That's been one of those weird trends since the mid-90s, actually. House Republicans love invoking the scourge of low-flow toilets in their speeches. It's bizarre. You can catch them every once in a while on CSPAN.

"I've been waiting 20 years to talk about how bad these toilets are," says Rand Paul (March 10, 2011)
 
2012-10-22 07:21:35 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: badaboom: The headline is the whole point.

You've been on this site for a long time. Are you telling me you are just now noticing that the headlines are often ridiculous?

What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot?

Users post threads. Admins greenlight them to the mainpage. Moderators mostly just get drunk on cheap bourbon and occasionally go nuts with the thread editting tools.

No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1.

Are you the submitter? Do you have magic mind reading powers? Do you have sand in the orifice which you prefer intercourse with?

This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.

This isn't even the most tinfoil hat headline of today.


I look forward to the headlines in Nov blaming the Romney camp for creating a blizzard that prevented people from voting.
 
2012-10-22 07:23:28 PM
Of course, you could also read the story as an anti-conspiracy.

If the Democrats are planning on using a whole lot of faked absentee ballots, forcing them to buy stamps would create a chain of evidence back to whoever bought the stamps...

"We've got over a thousand ballots ready to mail in! What do you mean, we don't have enough cash on hand to mail them? Just stick it on a credit card!"

/not really
//better than Subby's theory, though
///Republicans tend to vote absentee and early more often in most states - easier than taking time off work
 
2012-10-22 07:23:30 PM

badaboom: Taylor Mental: badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?

Absentee voters voting for Obama and USPS sending ballots despite insufficient postage. Two out of three is pretty damn good for Fark.

Umm, absentee voters vote for Romney too. So, based on YOUR logic we can state without a doubt this is a conspiracy to keep Romney votes from being counted.


Hey now, you didn't say it had to be conspiracy theory-free logic. You just said it had to support the headline. Which it does. Now kindly go fark yourself.
 
2012-10-22 07:27:21 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: costermonger: Enemabag Jones: I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.

Sometimes I wonder about some of them too. Like low-flow toilets.

That's been one of those weird trends since the mid-90s, actually. House Republicans love invoking the scourge of low-flow toilets in their speeches. It's bizarre. You can catch them every once in a while on CSPAN.

"I've been waiting 20 years to talk about how bad these toilets are," says Rand Paul (March 10, 2011)


They're a party dominated by old white people, who pride themselves on being 'conservative'. You're surprised they biatch about inconsequential crap like their toilets?

/(Grand) Old Party Yells at Toilet.
 
2012-10-22 07:29:25 PM

FlashHarry: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.


I'm a Libertarian (a real one, unlike Republicans who say they are) and I want fewer people to vote. Most people are stupid and uninformed. I want it to be more difficult for them to vote because someone who works a little harder to vote might also work hard enough to find out who's running and where they stand on the issues.

Have you seen/heard interviews with voters who don't know the names or stances of the candidates? You want more people to vote? People who can't recognize Biden or Romney but can recognize probably hundreds of movie and TV stars. People who think Obama is a pro-lifer? I know we can't and probably shouldn't prevent stupid people from voting, but doesn't it bother you just a little bit that some with IQ just barely above potato gets the same number of votes as you do? At least make them deviate from the route between their home and their meth dealer to make sure they actually want to vote. Or put a couple of stamps on the envelope.
 
2012-10-22 07:40:40 PM

badaboom: I look forward to the headlines in Nov blaming the Romney camp for creating a blizzard that prevented people from voting.


And I look forward to yet another demonstration of your amazing ESP.

LordJiro: They're a party dominated by old white people, who pride themselves on being 'conservative'. You're surprised they biatch about inconsequential crap like their toilets?

/(Grand) Old Party Yells at Toilet.


I'm not the one surprised. But it underscores what I was saying earlier about it being a shame that the items in the LOPCATGOPATA aren't linked to their respective news stories to show that, seriously, the ludicrous-sounding item was actually a thing that a Republican wanted to express was conspiring to destroy this country.
 
2012-10-22 07:44:29 PM

GAT_00: dickfreckle: Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.

If everything else was done to screw with the vote, why is this suddenly not also the same?


My state is run by Dems and they didn't make a bigger mailer to fark over poor people.
 
2012-10-22 07:44:42 PM
It's probably already been said but if anything should be free to mail, it should be absentee ballots (or any other kind of voting by mail).
 
2012-10-22 07:46:59 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


A stamp you purchase today and if the price goes up in the future you can still use the stamp purchased at the lower price for Class A postage - forever.
 
2012-10-22 07:48:15 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


It is the value of a standard postage stamp and does not have a fixed value. The next time the USPS raises the postage price for a standard envelope, the stamp will still cover the higher postage fee.
 
2012-10-22 07:54:18 PM
I love how the closer and closer the polls get, the tighter the tin foil hats get strapped to the libs heads. Wouldn't Obama, being President of the United States and thus the boss of the Postmaster General, be in a much better position to create a conspiracy by altering USPS policies? And don't kid yourselves, most absentee ballots from from Military members stationed overseas who overwhelmingly vote Republican, there's no reason at all the GOP would want to exclude these votes.
 
2012-10-22 07:54:59 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?



Because people would fark up the system by sending in innumerable bullshiate ballots and many would be taped to a stack of phonebooks, which would cost mucho dinero to actually deliver.
 
Having dealt with pre-paid postage first-hand.  Believe me when I say, if you make things free for dipshiatery, the dipshiates run amok.
 
2012-10-22 07:57:50 PM

SilentStrider: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

You'd think that the 14th amendment would require it.


I would assume the significant difference is you are paying for the convenience of voting by mail, not for the act of voting itself.

I'm not sure how I feel about that explanation, and honestly I agree with your sentiment, but that is possibly a reason why.
 
2012-10-22 07:58:16 PM
So I'm guessing that the "right wing remote controlled voting booth" conspiracy didn't get enough traction?

On the sixteenth day until elections,
the right wing gave to me:
Booths that only vote for Romney

Only fifteen days to the elections,
the right wing gave to me:
Postal rate increases to prevent my vote, infuriating me

With only fourteen days til elections,
the right wing really angered me:
This is the spot where you get to add your own conspiracy...

I promised myself I wouldn't and i did. I truly suck at being impartial on these things.
 
2012-10-22 08:00:19 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Because I don't want to fund anyone who doesn't vote the same as me?
 
2012-10-22 08:00:26 PM
How is this even for or against any party?

If anything is shows another reason why we're not ready for a popular vote for president. Right now voter laws are at least similar inside each state or lat least county/town. So minor difference tend to wash out and the electoral college evens things out. So if 20% of the people vote in a state you'd get the same number of electoral votes as if 100% of the people voted. In any dark red/blue states voting for president is basically meaningless today. If president was by popular vote then the voting system would have to be much more uniform if not the irregularities would become an issue.

This also shows the waste that exists in local government. Why is there not a single template that the entire states uses? Different areas may have different lower level elections but using a common template, printers, paper, envelopes is cheaper. More purchasing power and logistics of scale, not to mention the redundant administrative costs. 100 towns all doing basically custom small scale bids to different printers is costlier and far less efficient than 100 towns sending a pdf and address list to the state and the state doing a few large bids to printers. Not to mention the uniformity it would provide and reduction in confusion. But I digress I'm used to working in a Fortune 100 company where 99% of vendors are controlled from the corporate office and local offices place orders through a company portal to ensure the best possible price and reduce administrative time/costs.
 
2012-10-22 08:02:12 PM

markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


I'd been thinking that for a while, but I'm no longer convinced. I think there's no logical limit to how derpy they can get.

HellRaisingHoosier: It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.


The GOP has already deployed a workaround: create a hermetically sealed reality bubble where the facts support them. Even smart people get sucked in; education doesn't matter to someone who rejects your reality and substitutes their own.
 
2012-10-22 08:07:08 PM

FlashHarry: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.


And exactly how is anyone suppose to respond to this level of stupid without getting sucked into the vortex of stupidity that somehow favors you at the moment?

/shiat, just lost 10 IQ points re-reading your post trying to determine whether it is a worldclass troll or just stupid in its purist form.
 
2012-10-22 08:13:00 PM
You shouldn't have to mail your absentee ballot.

There are things called "collection stations" outside City Halls'n'sh*t. Hm. I wonder what they do?
 
2012-10-22 08:21:44 PM

serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.


Take pride in knowing your vote will be some loud mouth shill's anti-vote. All his hard work and determination months before the election trying to turn the political tide- and finally at the moment of truth when he gets to change those promises into practice: all will be unceremoniously extinguished with a toggle of switch in a non-disclosed voting booth by a less than enthusiastic voter. That, my friend, is the true power of YOUR vote.
 
2012-10-22 08:31:38 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?

It is the value of a standard postage stamp and does not have a fixed value. The next time the USPS raises the postage price for a standard envelope, the stamp will still cover the higher postage fee.


Should have got in on the ground floor with this one.

1) Buy thousands of forever stamps at .32 each
2) Wait until the rates hit .50+ each and sell them all back at .45
3) Profit?
 
2012-10-22 08:35:19 PM
I already voted.

Obama / Biden / Weed

Colorado, FTW.
 
2012-10-22 08:38:07 PM

atomic-age: I already voted.

Obama / Biden / Weed

Colorado, FTW.


YEAH BABY
 
2012-10-22 08:52:15 PM
Article says nothing about Absentee voters voting for Obama, or even that postage was raised at all. It's that the ballost are bigger/heavier and requires more than one stamp.
 
2012-10-22 09:11:23 PM

dickfreckle: Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.


You have to admit, after this election season, it's hard not to think that.
 
2012-10-22 10:35:46 PM
Joe is trying to jinx the shutout
 
2012-10-22 10:38:23 PM
woops wrong thread
 
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