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2012-10-22 11:45:02 AM
Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?
 
2012-10-22 11:54:18 AM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


We're trying to make it harder for people to vote, not easier. Get with the program.
 
2012-10-22 11:56:19 AM
Yeah, I could see how a group busy saving 70(?) years of pensions right now might not want Mitt Romney running the show.
 
2012-10-22 11:56:49 AM
GOP donation premium since 2000 (at least).
i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-22 12:03:29 PM
History will not look kindly on this election season. But, a blah man has overstepped what some have determined his station to be so... you know ... it's okay.

/ffs
 
2012-10-22 12:06:40 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


You'd think that the 14th amendment would require it.
 
2012-10-22 12:26:15 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.
 
2012-10-22 12:57:14 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

We're trying to make it harder for people to vote, not easier. Get with the program.


My wife and I were stunned by that when hers came in the mail. You have to actually read it carefully to notice that you need 2 stamps to send it.
 
2012-10-22 01:04:54 PM

FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.


As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.
 
2012-10-22 01:48:46 PM
The assclown who designed it not to fit into a standard size ten envelope should be shiatecanned.
 
2012-10-22 01:53:49 PM

Bontesla: History will not look kindly on this election season.


Nope. If we don't look at this as the perfect evidence of how much reform we need, we're boned.
 
2012-10-22 01:59:53 PM
Mine came with instructions on how much postage to put on it, it wasn't confusing.
 
2012-10-22 02:10:43 PM
People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.
 
2012-10-22 02:20:48 PM

serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.


I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.
 
2012-10-22 02:24:33 PM

Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.

I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.


That is a good point. I usually write down all the issues and who I'm picking, then I invariably realize I left the sheet of paper at home, after it's too late. So vote by mail is an elegant solution to that problem.
 
2012-10-22 02:45:41 PM

markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


Although it's becoming increasingly apparent that this is going to take 20 years or more. I'm not convinced these idiots are dying off.
 
2012-10-22 03:28:00 PM
I'm sure this will be presented as a reason why we need to privatize the Postal Service, because UPS or FedEx really want to have to staff an office in Moose Pass, Alaska and will happily take a letter mailed from there to Pharr, Texas for fifty cents or so.
 
2012-10-22 03:44:22 PM

bdub77: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.

Although it's becoming increasingly apparent that this is going to take 20 years or more. I'm not convinced these idiots are dying off.


...and Obamacare would keep MORE of them alive longer!
 
2012-10-22 03:59:29 PM

FirstNationalBastard: bdub77: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.

Although it's becoming increasingly apparent that this is going to take 20 years or more. I'm not convinced these idiots are dying off.

...and Obamacare would keep MORE of them alive longer!


I'm now in favor of repealing OBAMACARE... unless the death panels are true.
 
2012-10-22 04:01:27 PM
Pfft. The local GOP sent me this handy scanner that I used to transmit my vote.

www.shreddingzone.com

I'm not sure why they sent me this when I usually vote Democratic. Also, it must be wireless because I didn't need to plug it into my router.
 
2012-10-22 04:05:27 PM
Guess we need to add the USPS to the LOPCATGOPATA
 
2012-10-22 04:17:41 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?



I would have thought that too, but it is technically a convenience.
 
Now, if someone is abroad for work, or in the military on the other side of the planet... I would hope those are postage-paid.
 
2012-10-22 04:36:52 PM
Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.
 
2012-10-22 04:40:58 PM

SilentStrider: You'd think that the 14th amendment would require it.


Don't you mean the 24th Amendment?
 
2012-10-22 04:46:33 PM

markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


As more and more Republicans die off, more and more 30 and 40 year old white males will take their place. I see it happening.

Paul Ryan, the face of the future Republican party.

The Reagan Youth of the 80s, sheltered suburban white punks who think the world owes them, are now turning 40-50. Republicans for life. If they weren't already.
 
2012-10-22 04:51:59 PM

abb3w: SilentStrider: You'd think that the 14th amendment would require it.

Don't you mean the 24th Amendment?


Yes, stupid IPad keyboard.
 
2012-10-22 05:20:49 PM

dickfreckle: Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.


If everything else was done to screw with the vote, why is this suddenly not also the same?
 
2012-10-22 05:23:37 PM

hillbillypharmacist: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

We're trying to make it harder for people to vote, not easier. Get with the program.


I am constantly trying to convince myself that this is all just a figment of my imagination, that republicans aren't actually trying to suppress votes. Then I look at the Fark ad for Mitt Romney--I immediately think about what this guy would do to get elected. He's slimy, but he's far from the slimiest within the party.

So I believe it now.
 
2012-10-22 05:24:59 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


This x 100.
 
2012-10-22 05:26:32 PM

brap: The assclown who designed it not to fit into a standard size ten envelope should be shiatecanned.


Who chad? You want to hang chad?
 
2012-10-22 05:28:15 PM
Now with the type of shiat going on in Ohio, I will be pleasantly surprised if Obama can still make it.

But if does not happen ...

well...


sigh.....

Americans are digging their own grave. They will have to suffer the consequence of their stupidity. If America elects Rmoney, America deserves Rmoney. My only problem is that my future generation will be suffering with it.
 
2012-10-22 05:29:20 PM

FirstNationalBastard: bdub77: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.

Although it's becoming increasingly apparent that this is going to take 20 years or more. I'm not convinced these idiots are dying off.

...and Obamacare would keep MORE of them alive longer!


They already had Medicare, Obamacare is for he younger generations.
 
2012-10-22 05:30:33 PM
Because of the size of the 2012 mailer,the Hamilton County Board of Elections in Ohio say you should put 65 cents worth of postage on most absentee ballots, about 20 cents more than the standard Forever Stamp.

great, now the weight of the ballots is going to become a partisan issue.
 
2012-10-22 05:30:36 PM
Wth is a Forever stamp?
 
2012-10-22 05:30:43 PM
serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.
===================================================================== = =================

Um, Ohio has been early voting for over 2 weeks now. Republicans want to abolish it, and did pass a law overturning it, but thankfully the supreme court (ohio supreme court I think) told them to shove it.

But as I'd rather not have to drive downtown to the board of elections to vote, I'll just vote absentee.

/When I voted absentee in Pennsylvania, you're required to go to a post office and the result was EXACTLY $1.00 in postage.
 
2012-10-22 05:30:59 PM

markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.



It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.

Public education and teachers are being constantly attacked, college tuition is going through the roof, misinformation is running rampant in American news and mankind's greatest tool (the Internet) is coming under fire more and more. This is a coordinated attack on education in this country.
 
2012-10-22 05:31:42 PM
The USPS needs a farking hero tag. Sure, they're probably only doing this because it would be a PITA to send the mail back, but even accidentally, they're helping the democratic process.
 
2012-10-22 05:31:45 PM

brap: The assclown who designed it not to fit into a standard size ten envelope should be shiatecanned.


Are you kidding? That assclown got a promotion.
 
2012-10-22 05:32:05 PM

downstairs: Now, if someone is abroad for work


RU PAUL!
 
2012-10-22 05:32:08 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


It is the stamp that will finally ruin Obama. Best part? Forever.
 
2012-10-22 05:32:15 PM

Ed Finnerty: Pfft. The local GOP sent me this handy scanner that I used to transmit my vote.

[www.shreddingzone.com image 300x300]

I'm not sure why they sent me this when I usually vote Democratic. Also, it must be wireless because I didn't need to plug it into my router.


HAW!
 
2012-10-22 05:32:32 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


its a stamp you can buy today and even if they raise the cost of a stamp you can still use it.
 
2012-10-22 05:32:49 PM

Wyalt Derp: downstairs: Now, if someone is abroad for work

RU PAUL!


Keyboard, etc.
 
2012-10-22 05:32:50 PM

serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.


No. At least in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland) where I am registered, you have three options:

1. Show up at your polling place on election day, like normal;

2. Request, receive, fill out, and mail back in an absentee ballot (they've even done away with the requirement that you have to actually be absent, IIRC); or

3. Drive down to the county board of elections office during business hours staring October 2nd and on the Saturday and Sunday right before the election and early-vote in person.

There is probably some variation from county to county on the exact hours, locations, and forms, but I wouldn't imagine that it's all that great seeing as the basic rules come from Columbus.
 
2012-10-22 05:33:29 PM
Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.
 
2012-10-22 05:34:55 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Because the Republicans are trying to steal Ohio. Apparently the voting machines being supplied to Ohio are from a company that the Romney family is heavily invested in. They also have huge security flaws and the ballots are going to be easily destroyed.
 
2012-10-22 05:35:43 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.


Ummm...what is the LOPCATGOPATA?
 
2012-10-22 05:35:58 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.


No wonder Congress has been trying to strangle them and sell off the usable organs at every turn.

And don't forget, military & overseas ballots are postage-paid, so better add expats and soldiers on deployment to the LOPCATGOPATA, too.
 
2012-10-22 05:36:39 PM
Bontesla


History will not look kindly on this election season.


Did you actually type that phrase?
 
2012-10-22 05:37:32 PM

Slaves2Darkness: rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.

Ummm...what is the LOPCATGOPATA?


List Of People Conspiring Against The GOP And Therefore America. I forget who the caretaker is, but anyone will tell you that virtually everyone and everything not hard to the right is on there. Hell, I'm probably in there, somewhere.
 
2012-10-22 05:39:51 PM

brap: The assclown who designed it not to fit into a standard size ten envelope should be shiatecanned de-nutted.

 

FTFM.
 
2012-10-22 05:40:34 PM

dickfreckle: Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.


It's not the post office that's disenfranchising voters. The USPS takes their job seriously.

Requires More Postage This Year

Because of the size of the 2012 mailer,the

Want to know how big this conspiracy is? It's John Husted. The same guy who tried to allow family members of soldiers to vote early but not anyone else. The one that bought the machines that are now suspect.

That certainly is an impossible conspiracy. How could that guy keep such a thing secret, outside of all of the major papers and the courts, of course.
 
2012-10-22 05:40:41 PM

TrollingForColumbine: brap: The assclown who designed it not to fit into a standard size ten envelope should be shiatecanned.

Who chad? You want to hang chad?


Hilarious. Got any Monica Lewinsky jokes you've been sitting on?
 
2012-10-22 05:41:29 PM
Headline seems to have nothing to do with article.
 
2012-10-22 05:41:44 PM

Slaves2Darkness: rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.

Ummm...what is the LOPCATGOPATA?


List of People who oppose the GOP by not being utter hacks in favor of the GOP and Therefore Against America.

I may not have the whole acronym PERFECTLY right but sorta that's it. It's a long list.
 
2012-10-22 05:42:53 PM

FlashHarry: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.


whoa bro...voter suppression have been done by both parties. Need us remind who was in charge of the south trying to stop the Civil Rights' Movement? Pot meet Kettle
 
2012-10-22 05:43:14 PM

markie_farkie: As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


Never underestimate the power of very old very rich men combined with white imbeciles in their 40s and 50s.
If Romney ends up president, then you'll know.
 
2012-10-22 05:44:13 PM

markie_farkie: until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


I think we're already seeing this with the voter ID debacles. It's actually not hard to design a voter photo ID system that's entirely constitutional and presents no real additional difficulty to the voters. Just make them free (in many states, state IDs are already free for low-income citizens), make sure you advertise the change and allow plenty of time before an election (a year or so) before the law takes effect, etc.

But the GOP efforts have been so blatantly unfair and discriminatory that deeply conservative judges have been telling them to go to hell as often or more often than the left-wingers. The party has almost burned its bridges with it's own section of the judiciary on this one.
 
2012-10-22 05:45:08 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.

Public education and teachers are being constantly attacked, college tuition is going through the roof, misinformation is running rampant in American news and mankind's greatest tool (the Internet) is coming under fire more and more. This is a coordinated attack on education in this country.


CSB: I have a friend, 28 years old and a rabid conservative. He really wants to start his own business, but he has Crohn's disease and is afraid of quitting his job and losing his benefits. I piped up that Obamacare was, in part, written with his situation in mind. He completely ignored me, and rattled off some derp about socialism and Obama's takeover of healthcare.

Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.
 
2012-10-22 05:45:36 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.

Public education and teachers are being constantly attacked, college tuition is going through the roof, misinformation is running rampant in American news and mankind's greatest tool (the Internet) is coming under fire more and more. This is a coordinated attack on education in this country.


Vote Ritz for Education in Indiana to help combat the problem. (fellow hoosier)
 
2012-10-22 05:46:32 PM

Robo Beat: Slaves2Darkness: rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.

Ummm...what is the LOPCATGOPATA?

List Of People Conspiring Against The GOP And Therefore America. I forget who the caretaker is, but anyone will tell you that virtually everyone and everything not hard to the right is on there. Hell, I'm probably in there, somewhere.


To be a little more precise, it's a collection of people and organizations from news stories where Republicans have complained about or implied are persecuting them.

The latest that I could find:

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers (including kindergarten teachers)
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17
Fact Checkers
Australia
Mitt Romney
Rasmussen
Fox News
Lockheed Martin
Bureau of Labor Statistics
Paul Ryan
Debate moderators
Soup kitchens
 
2012-10-22 05:46:32 PM
1) The postal service is delivering them anyways.
2) This wasn't that deliberate, there is just a lot of stuff to vote for.
3) New idea for voter disenfranchisement. Just load the ballot up with BS so they get dropped in the Return to Sender bin.
 
2012-10-22 05:47:51 PM
I look forward to a day when mial in ballots ae so common that various party shills will create ballot, and send them out a few weeks before the real ballots with a prepaid envelope that routes the fake ballots to a POBox number. And then when people get the real ballot, they'll throw it away thinking "Hey, I voted already."

My future as a republican election offical will be fulfilled.
 
2012-10-22 05:49:16 PM
It says it is still forwarding them to the local board of elections, as returning the envelope to the sender would take weeks.

USPS is in bed with Obama!
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-22 05:52:26 PM

ultraholland: It says it is still forwarding them to the local board of elections, as returning the envelope to the sender would take weeks.

USPS is in bed with Obama!


OMG LIBURUL!
 
2012-10-22 05:52:49 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Robo Beat: Slaves2Darkness: rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.

Ummm...what is the LOPCATGOPATA?

List Of People Conspiring Against The GOP And Therefore America. I forget who the caretaker is, but anyone will tell you that virtually everyone and everything not hard to the right is on there. Hell, I'm probably in there, somewhere.

To be a little more precise, it's a collection of people and organizations from news stories where Republicans have complained about or implied are persecuting them.

The latest that I could find:

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers (including kindergarten teachers)
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17
Fact Checkers
Australia
Mitt Romney
Rasmussen
Fox News
Lockheed Martin
Bureau of Labor Statistics ...


Well I make that list six times as a Liberal Democrat Socialist Community Organizer Atheist Union member.
 
2012-10-22 05:53:04 PM
How long before a bill is introduced in Congress to make it illegal for the postal service to deliver any mail for less than the postage required? And also increase the pension prepayment to three hundred years?
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-10-22 05:53:42 PM

The Green Manalishi: Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.


THIS
 
2012-10-22 05:54:00 PM

serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.


We don't have to vote in Texas anymore; Tagg is doing that for us.
 
2012-10-22 05:55:26 PM

serial_crusher: let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.


Just remember folks- you might think that you are voting for a term for someone for 2 4 or 6 years, but , you are not. You are voting for people that appoint others for thier entire lifetimes. If you care about having the Supreme Court stacked on one side instead of balanced .....
 
2012-10-22 05:55:39 PM

The Green Manalishi: HellRaisingHoosier: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.

Public education and teachers are being constantly attacked, college tuition is going through the roof, misinformation is running rampant in American news and mankind's greatest tool (the Internet) is coming under fire more and more. This is a coordinated attack on education in this country.

CSB: I have a friend, 28 years old and a rabid conservative. He really wants to start his own business, but he has Crohn's disease and is afraid of quitting his job and losing his benefits. I piped up that Obamacare was, in part, written with his situation in mind. He completely ignored me, and rattled off some derp about socialism and Obama's takeover of healthcare.

Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.


why are you friends with a "willfully ignorant" idiot?
 
2012-10-22 05:55:49 PM
In retrospect I wish we'd kept links to each of the news stories with these. But it started out as a small joke that just so happened to grow legs and become a running gag.

If I get really bored maybe I'll go mine the Fark lite comments through Google and compile a new list.
 
2012-10-22 05:56:31 PM

snowshovel: I look forward to a day when mial in ballots ae so common that various party shills will create ballot, and send them out a few weeks before the real ballots with a prepaid envelope that routes the fake ballots to a POBox number. And then when people get the real ballot, they'll throw it away thinking "Hey, I voted already."

My future as a republican election offical will be fulfilled.


shhhh don't give them ideas
 
2012-10-22 05:58:01 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Socialism!! Or possibly Jesus.
 
2012-10-22 05:58:16 PM
Nice one trollmitter!
 
2012-10-22 05:58:26 PM

Generation_D: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.

As more and more Republicans die off, more and more 30 and 40 year old white males will take their place. I see it happening.

Paul Ryan, the face of the future Republican party.

The Reagan Youth of the 80s, sheltered suburban white punks who think the world owes them, are now turning 40-50. Republicans for life. If they weren't already.


shiat I'm not quite 25 and I already seeing it happening to idiots my age...
 
2012-10-22 05:58:41 PM
Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?
 
2012-10-22 05:58:56 PM

TaterTot_HotDish: The Green Manalishi: HellRaisingHoosier: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.

Public education and teachers are being constantly attacked, college tuition is going through the roof, misinformation is running rampant in American news and mankind's greatest tool (the Internet) is coming under fire more and more. This is a coordinated attack on education in this country.

CSB: I have a friend, 28 years old and a rabid conservative. He really wants to start his own business, but he has Crohn's disease and is afraid of quitting his job and losing his benefits. I piped up that Obamacare was, in part, written with his situation in mind. He completely ignored me, and rattled off some derp about socialism and Obama's takeover of healthcare.

Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.

why are you friends with a "willfully ignorant" idiot?


Drinking buddies?

After all, "An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools."
 
2012-10-22 05:59:02 PM
Trolltastic headline subby.
 
2012-10-22 05:59:08 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


I wondered that myself.....and then I just took mine down to the courthouse a mile away by hand.

/It was $2.12 freaking postage.
//I voted for MORE POT.
 
2012-10-22 05:59:40 PM

The Green Manalishi: HellRaisingHoosier: markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.

Public education and teachers are being constantly attacked, college tuition is going through the roof, misinformation is running rampant in American news and mankind's greatest tool (the Internet) is coming under fire more and more. This is a coordinated attack on education in this country.

CSB: I have a friend, 28 years old and a rabid conservative. He really wants to start his own business, but he has Crohn's disease and is afraid of quitting his job and losing his benefits. I piped up that Obamacare was, in part, written with his situation in mind. He completely ignored me, and rattled off some derp about socialism and Obama's takeover of healthcare.

Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.


I served as the reverend for a marriage for two friends that got married in order to share the husband's health insurance. They'd been living together for years, but she has Crohn's disease, and lost her job, so she needed his.

So please tell your friend to EABOD. Actually, make it a bowl of sugar.
 
2012-10-22 06:00:20 PM

badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?


No, but it gives the drones something to babble about.
 
2012-10-22 06:01:10 PM

snowshovel: I look forward to a day when mial in ballots ae so common that various party shills will create ballot, and send them out a few weeks before the real ballots with a prepaid envelope that routes the fake ballots to a POBox number. And then when people get the real ballot, they'll throw it away thinking "Hey, I voted already."

My future as a republican election offical will be fulfilled.


It's already happened a couple of times. Last time I heard about it was in Wisconsin.
 
2012-10-22 06:02:17 PM
Should the list be on the list?
 
2012-10-22 06:04:31 PM

coyo: Should the list be on the list?


Probably
 
2012-10-22 06:06:40 PM

The Green Manalishi: Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.


Meanwhile, people cannot successfully complete the task of putting enough postage on a piece of mail, and Jesse Jackson, Jr. leads his closest opponent by 31 points.
 
2012-10-22 06:09:27 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Not only that, but why the fark are federal ballots in a federal election not simply produced to a federal standard, rather than holy mother of crap county by farking county?

(coz that might make things easier)
 
2012-10-22 06:10:00 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: In retrospect I wish we'd kept links to each of the news stories with these. But it started out as a small joke that just so happened to grow legs and become a running gag.

If I get really bored maybe I'll go mine the Fark lite comments through Google and compile a new list.


That's the killing joke with the list -- that each and every entry on it has a news story behind it. In each of those stories, the group or individual has been decried by the rightwing establishment with absolute sincerity as contributing to the destruction America. They'll never run out of enemies.
 
2012-10-22 06:11:26 PM

badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?


Problem: Absentee voters are voting for Obama
Absentee voters are, in fact, voting for Obama. Obama might even be winning so far, I don't really know. Doesn't matter - Absentee voters are voting for Obama and it's certainly a problem to someone.

I like it as an example of that "True but false" fact-check that conservatives love to gnash their teeth over when the English language proves to be untidy.

Welcome to Fark, where inflammatory headlines in the politics tab are half the fun.

Solution: Raise postage on Absentee ballots and not tell anyone
FTA: Requires More Postage This Year

Because of the size of the 2012 mailer,the Hamilton County Board of Elections in Ohio say you should put 65 cents worth of postage on most absentee ballots, about 20 cents more than the standard Forever Stamp.

Making it more confusing: each county has a different absentee ballot. In a few counties, including Warren County, the required postage can be even higher. In Clermont County, which has a thinner ballot, a single stamp may be fine.



Fark: USPS sends them anyways
FTA: The U.S. Postal Service reports that many voters are forgetting to put additional postage on their mailer.

It says it is still forwarding them to the local board of elections, as returning the envelope to the sender would take weeks.


/not subby
//can read at least at a sixth grade level
 
2012-10-22 06:11:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.

I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.


Everyone in Oregon votes by mail. I love it. Though I just checked by ballot envelope and it does require postage.

POLL TAX!
 
2012-10-22 06:12:42 PM

Cataholic: The Green Manalishi: Democracy cannot survive when such a large percentage of the population is willfully ignorant.

Meanwhile, people cannot successfully complete the task of putting enough postage on a piece of mail, and Jesse Jackson, Jr. leads his closest opponent by 31 points.


To be fair, voters have been stupid forever, and we've just designed the system around it (electoral college to balance the influence based on actual concentrations of political acumen rather than sheer population, which only accumulates more idiocy, for instance) and moved on.

This isn't a real problem for democracy any more than the Idiocracy theory of genetics is a real problem for the human IQ (poor/stupid people have been having more children since the dawn of time and it has yet to slow the technological or scientific progress of humanity).
 
2012-10-22 06:15:42 PM

THX 1138: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

Not only that, but why the fark are federal ballots in a federal election not simply produced to a federal standard, rather than holy mother of crap county by farking county?

(coz that might make things easier)


Because all the state and local stuff is also on the ballots, and depending on schedules and competition, two nearby areas could have very different ballot size.

Standard in my state is the instructions tell you to look for the ink stamp on the instruction page that shows correct postage.
 
2012-10-22 06:16:30 PM

fusillade762: Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.

I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.

Everyone in Oregon votes by mail. I love it. Though I just checked by ballot envelope and it does require postage.

POLL TAX!


And when they close the Springfield distribution center post office, ballots will go from the Springfield area, up to Portland, then down to Eugene to be counted.
 
2012-10-22 06:17:59 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


It's an unsecured promissory note redeemable for one ounce worth of postage from the USPS even if the rate changes.

Comparing CPI and postage rates... That 2 cent stamp from 1919 would be 27 cents today. That 10 cent stamp from 1974 would be 47 cents today. That quarter stamp from 1988 would be 49 cents today. But now the stamps don't get priced, so you can buy a bunch before a price change and make a small gain, but historically it's not a great investment.

Oh, and the value of money has fallen by half since the end of the Reagan administration.
 
2012-10-22 06:18:05 PM
If someone can affect the size of envelopes across multiple counties in Ohio, fixing the economy should be easy for him. I'm voting for that guy
 
2012-10-22 06:19:49 PM

wildcardjack: Comparing CPI and postage rates... That 2 cent stamp from 1919 would be 27 cents today. That 10 cent stamp from 1974 would be 47 cents today. That quarter stamp from 1988 would be 49 cents today. But now the stamps don't get priced, so you can buy a bunch before a price change and make a small gain, but historically it's not a great investment.


They USPS probably saves money with the forever stamp by not having to print a bunch of 1 or 2 cent stamps every time there's an increase so customers can match them with their extras at the lower price.
 
2012-10-22 06:20:03 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?

Problem: Absentee voters are voting for Obama
Absentee voters are, in fact, voting for Obama. Obama might even be winning so far, I don't really know. Doesn't matter - Absentee voters are voting for Obama and it's certainly a problem to someone.

I like it as an example of that "True but false" fact-check that conservatives love to gnash their teeth over when the English language proves to be untidy.

Welcome to Fark, where inflammatory headlines in the politics tab are half the fun.

Solution: Raise postage on Absentee ballots and not tell anyone
FTA: Requires More Postage This Year

Because of the size of the 2012 mailer,the Hamilton County Board of Elections in Ohio say you should put 65 cents worth of postage on most absentee ballots, about 20 cents more than the standard Forever Stamp.

Making it more confusing: each county has a different absentee ballot. In a few counties, including Warren County, the required postage can be even higher. In Clermont County, which has a thinner ballot, a single stamp may be fine.


Fark: USPS sends them anyways
FTA: The U.S. Postal Service reports that many voters are forgetting to put additional postage on their mailer.

It says it is still forwarding them to the local board of elections, as returning the envelope to the sender would take weeks.

/not subby
//can read at least at a sixth grade level


So can I, and its pretty obvious that he means is there any direct evidence that raising the postage was in reaction to Obama getting votes. And while I highly doubt there is anything hard, IIRC the elections board in ohio is Republican controlled and has been doing some shady shiat this season, so i can see where people would make this connection. Of course, even if that were true, it still wouldn't be a reaction to them seeing Obama getting votes, but could still have been done as a preemptive measure, and really what would the difference be.
 
2012-10-22 06:24:22 PM
Solution:

Ditch the machines, let everyone vote absentee, and put a BRE on it. The savings from not having the machines will pay for the postage costs.
 
2012-10-22 06:25:55 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Because a party (that shant be named) is losing in all the growing demographics, so their best route to victory is disenfranchisement.

/read my ballot instructions carefully
//enclosed copy of id outside of ballot secrecy envelope, inside green envelope
///two stamps
////four slashies.
 
2012-10-22 06:27:23 PM
Ok, so the ballot is bigger and therefore requires more postage. That stinks.
USPS is sending even if people don't put on the extra postage. Great, that's nice of them.


Giant Leap....


ZOMG Conservative conspiracy. Yeah, that's logical.
 
2012-10-22 06:28:25 PM

bluelime: Ok, so the ballot is bigger and therefore requires more postage. That stinks.
USPS is sending even if people don't put on the extra postage. Great, that's nice of them.


Giant Leap....


ZOMG Conservative conspiracy. Yeah, that's logical.


Welcome to Fark lol
 
2012-10-22 06:29:04 PM

Headso: Because of the size of the 2012 mailer,the Hamilton County Board of Elections in Ohio say you should put 65 cents worth of postage on most absentee ballots, about 20 cents more than the standard Forever Stamp.

great, now the weight of the ballots is going to become a partisan issue.


In 2004 they were going to throw out tens of thousands of new voter registrations because they were submitted on paper of the improper thickness
 
2012-10-22 06:31:05 PM
Sounds a lot like a poll tax.
 
2012-10-22 06:33:43 PM
All it takes is a Zip code. If the ballot is out of a poor gerry-mandered district, toss it. If it's out of a rich gerry-mandered district, count it.

But the Republicans aren't trying to steal the election. If they were trying to do that, they would be buying voting machines in Ohio.
 
2012-10-22 06:36:36 PM
Florida voting machine:

Link
 
2012-10-22 06:38:18 PM

orlandomagik: So can I, and its pretty obvious that he means is there any direct evidence that raising the postage was in reaction to Obama getting votes.


Do you think subby is serious about that allegation or is using it to attract comments to their submitted thread? My opinion is that it's the latter (and that you should lighten up a little :P ).

And while I highly doubt there is anything hard, IIRC the elections board in ohio is Republican controlled and has been doing some shady shiat this season, so i can see where people would make this connection. Of course, even if that were true, it still wouldn't be a reaction to them seeing Obama getting votes, but could still have been done as a preemptive measure, and really what would the difference be.

It would be a lame and pretty dangerous attempt at disenfranchisement for the GOP. Let's be honest here: Romney voters aren't exactly the swiftest people in the world, nor are they stellar readers. How many of them would have lost their vote had the USPS decided to return their ballots?

On the other hand, the GOP hasn't exactly been rational in recent memory. Regardless I think we're taking the headline far too seriously.
 
2012-10-22 06:44:46 PM
So what you're really saying is democrat voters are either (A) too stupid to put enough postage on the ballot, (B) too cheap, or of course everyone's favorite answer (C) Both.
 
2012-10-22 06:44:53 PM
Jiro Dreams Of McRibs
But the Republicans aren't trying to steal the election. If they were trying to do that, they would be buying voting machines in Ohio.


You are much too subtle.
Link
 
2012-10-22 06:49:38 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: orlandomagik: So can I, and its pretty obvious that he means is there any direct evidence that raising the postage was in reaction to Obama getting votes.

Do you think subby is serious about that allegation or is using it to attract comments to their submitted thread? My opinion is that it's the latter (and that you should lighten up a little :P ).

And while I highly doubt there is anything hard, IIRC the elections board in ohio is Republican controlled and has been doing some shady shiat this season, so i can see where people would make this connection. Of course, even if that were true, it still wouldn't be a reaction to them seeing Obama getting votes, but could still have been done as a preemptive measure, and really what would the difference be.

It would be a lame and pretty dangerous attempt at disenfranchisement for the GOP. Let's be honest here: Romney voters aren't exactly the swiftest people in the world, nor are they stellar readers. How many of them would have lost their vote had the USPS decided to return their ballots?

On the other hand, the GOP hasn't exactly been rational in recent memory. Regardless I think we're taking the headline far too seriously.


The headline is the whole point. What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot? No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1. This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.
 
2012-10-22 06:52:00 PM
Absentee ballots go so overwhelmingly for Democrats that Al "Count All The Votes" Gore tried his best o have as many of them as possible thrown out in 2000.

And it has been the Republicans, not the Democrats, who have complained about absentee ballots not going out in a hand full of cases.
 
2012-10-22 06:52:27 PM

jake3988: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.
===================================================================== = =================

Um, Ohio has been early voting for over 2 weeks now. Republicans want to abolish it, and did pass a law overturning it, but thankfully the supreme court (ohio supreme court I think) told them to shove it.

But as I'd rather not have to drive downtown to the board of elections to vote, I'll just vote absentee.


Well there's yer problem. Both the part about people trying to get rid of it, and the fact that you apparently have to go to a single location. We've got early voting locations everywhere. Seriously everywhere. You can vote in the freaking grocery stores. And it's not like you have one assigned place to go. You just show up at any one of the locations and go vote.

Probably a little harder if you live in the boonies, but surely you're making a weekly grocery run anyhow, right?
 
2012-10-22 06:54:01 PM
Is there anyone here likely to vote Republican here who sees little power grab moves and is concerned by it?

Or do you see it as part of the democratic process?
 
2012-10-22 06:57:38 PM

Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.

I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.


Yup. Oregon is a vote-by-mail state, and I already voted. The envelope isn't pre-paid, but there are dropboxes everywhere. I just walked around the corner to the library to drop mine off.
 
2012-10-22 06:58:39 PM

randomjsa: And it has been the Republicans, not the Democrats, who have complained about absentee ballots not going out in a hand full of cases.


this is actually probably true, take note farkers. I would imagine old people make up much of the absentee ballots.
 
2012-10-22 06:58:50 PM
My most recent:

List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers (including kindergarten teachers)
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Energy-efficient light bulbs
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17
Fact Checkers
Australia
Mitt Romney
Rasmussen
Fox News
Lockheed Martin
Bureau of Labor Statistics
Paul Ryan
Debate moderators
Google
Soup kitchens
United States Postal Service
 
2012-10-22 06:59:15 PM
and military who traditionally support republicans
 
2012-10-22 07:01:28 PM

badaboom: The headline is the whole point. What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot? No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1. This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.


You clearly have no idea what the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy is capable of. There's no Machiavellian scheme that is beyond them. The depth of their evil genius is unparalleled. And it's all the more remarkable because they're also dumber than stumps and couldn't find their butt with Google Ass.
 
2012-10-22 07:04:16 PM

badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?


Absentee voters voting for Obama and USPS sending ballots despite insufficient postage. Two out of three is pretty damn good for Fark.
 
2012-10-22 07:04:20 PM
costermonger,
Jews
Satan
ABC


I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.
 
2012-10-22 07:07:36 PM

Enemabag Jones: I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.


Sometimes I wonder about some of them too. Like low-flow toilets.
 
2012-10-22 07:10:47 PM

Taylor Mental: badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?

Absentee voters voting for Obama and USPS sending ballots despite insufficient postage. Two out of three is pretty damn good for Fark.


Umm, absentee voters vote for Romney too. So, based on YOUR logic we can state without a doubt this is a conspiracy to keep Romney votes from being counted.
 
2012-10-22 07:15:35 PM

badaboom: The headline is the whole point.


You've been on this site for a long time. Are you telling me you are just now noticing that the headlines are often ridiculous?

What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot?

Users post threads. Admins greenlight them to the mainpage. Moderators mostly just get drunk on cheap bourbon and occasionally go nuts with the thread editting tools.

No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1.

Are you the submitter? Do you have magic mind reading powers? Do you have sand in the orifice which you prefer intercourse with?

This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.

This isn't even the most tinfoil hat headline of today.
 
2012-10-22 07:21:20 PM

costermonger: Enemabag Jones: I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.

Sometimes I wonder about some of them too. Like low-flow toilets.


That's been one of those weird trends since the mid-90s, actually. House Republicans love invoking the scourge of low-flow toilets in their speeches. It's bizarre. You can catch them every once in a while on CSPAN.

"I've been waiting 20 years to talk about how bad these toilets are," says Rand Paul (March 10, 2011)
 
2012-10-22 07:21:35 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: badaboom: The headline is the whole point.

You've been on this site for a long time. Are you telling me you are just now noticing that the headlines are often ridiculous?

What mod would post a thread about the fact that you have to put a farkin stamp on your ballot?

Users post threads. Admins greenlight them to the mainpage. Moderators mostly just get drunk on cheap bourbon and occasionally go nuts with the thread editting tools.

No, the point submitard was trying to make was that #1 Most absentee ballots are for Obama. Citation needed. What if most absentee ballots were for Romney. #2 Someone purposely made the postage confusing, due to #1.

Are you the submitter? Do you have magic mind reading powers? Do you have sand in the orifice which you prefer intercourse with?

This is about as tinfoil hat headline there is.

This isn't even the most tinfoil hat headline of today.


I look forward to the headlines in Nov blaming the Romney camp for creating a blizzard that prevented people from voting.
 
2012-10-22 07:23:28 PM
Of course, you could also read the story as an anti-conspiracy.

If the Democrats are planning on using a whole lot of faked absentee ballots, forcing them to buy stamps would create a chain of evidence back to whoever bought the stamps...

"We've got over a thousand ballots ready to mail in! What do you mean, we don't have enough cash on hand to mail them? Just stick it on a credit card!"

/not really
//better than Subby's theory, though
///Republicans tend to vote absentee and early more often in most states - easier than taking time off work
 
2012-10-22 07:23:30 PM

badaboom: Taylor Mental: badaboom: Can someone point to anything in the article that supports submitards headline?

Absentee voters voting for Obama and USPS sending ballots despite insufficient postage. Two out of three is pretty damn good for Fark.

Umm, absentee voters vote for Romney too. So, based on YOUR logic we can state without a doubt this is a conspiracy to keep Romney votes from being counted.


Hey now, you didn't say it had to be conspiracy theory-free logic. You just said it had to support the headline. Which it does. Now kindly go fark yourself.
 
2012-10-22 07:27:21 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: costermonger: Enemabag Jones: I don't claim to be a religious scholar, but always thought Satan would see Republicans as pragmatic people doing what needs to be done to win elections.

Sometimes I wonder about some of them too. Like low-flow toilets.

That's been one of those weird trends since the mid-90s, actually. House Republicans love invoking the scourge of low-flow toilets in their speeches. It's bizarre. You can catch them every once in a while on CSPAN.

"I've been waiting 20 years to talk about how bad these toilets are," says Rand Paul (March 10, 2011)


They're a party dominated by old white people, who pride themselves on being 'conservative'. You're surprised they biatch about inconsequential crap like their toilets?

/(Grand) Old Party Yells at Toilet.
 
2012-10-22 07:29:25 PM

FlashHarry: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.


I'm a Libertarian (a real one, unlike Republicans who say they are) and I want fewer people to vote. Most people are stupid and uninformed. I want it to be more difficult for them to vote because someone who works a little harder to vote might also work hard enough to find out who's running and where they stand on the issues.

Have you seen/heard interviews with voters who don't know the names or stances of the candidates? You want more people to vote? People who can't recognize Biden or Romney but can recognize probably hundreds of movie and TV stars. People who think Obama is a pro-lifer? I know we can't and probably shouldn't prevent stupid people from voting, but doesn't it bother you just a little bit that some with IQ just barely above potato gets the same number of votes as you do? At least make them deviate from the route between their home and their meth dealer to make sure they actually want to vote. Or put a couple of stamps on the envelope.
 
2012-10-22 07:40:40 PM

badaboom: I look forward to the headlines in Nov blaming the Romney camp for creating a blizzard that prevented people from voting.


And I look forward to yet another demonstration of your amazing ESP.

LordJiro: They're a party dominated by old white people, who pride themselves on being 'conservative'. You're surprised they biatch about inconsequential crap like their toilets?

/(Grand) Old Party Yells at Toilet.


I'm not the one surprised. But it underscores what I was saying earlier about it being a shame that the items in the LOPCATGOPATA aren't linked to their respective news stories to show that, seriously, the ludicrous-sounding item was actually a thing that a Republican wanted to express was conspiring to destroy this country.
 
2012-10-22 07:44:29 PM

GAT_00: dickfreckle: Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.

If everything else was done to screw with the vote, why is this suddenly not also the same?


My state is run by Dems and they didn't make a bigger mailer to fark over poor people.
 
2012-10-22 07:44:42 PM
It's probably already been said but if anything should be free to mail, it should be absentee ballots (or any other kind of voting by mail).
 
2012-10-22 07:46:59 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


A stamp you purchase today and if the price goes up in the future you can still use the stamp purchased at the lower price for Class A postage - forever.
 
2012-10-22 07:48:15 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?


It is the value of a standard postage stamp and does not have a fixed value. The next time the USPS raises the postage price for a standard envelope, the stamp will still cover the higher postage fee.
 
2012-10-22 07:54:18 PM
I love how the closer and closer the polls get, the tighter the tin foil hats get strapped to the libs heads. Wouldn't Obama, being President of the United States and thus the boss of the Postmaster General, be in a much better position to create a conspiracy by altering USPS policies? And don't kid yourselves, most absentee ballots from from Military members stationed overseas who overwhelmingly vote Republican, there's no reason at all the GOP would want to exclude these votes.
 
2012-10-22 07:54:59 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?



Because people would fark up the system by sending in innumerable bullshiate ballots and many would be taped to a stack of phonebooks, which would cost mucho dinero to actually deliver.
 
Having dealt with pre-paid postage first-hand.  Believe me when I say, if you make things free for dipshiatery, the dipshiates run amok.
 
2012-10-22 07:57:50 PM

SilentStrider: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

You'd think that the 14th amendment would require it.


I would assume the significant difference is you are paying for the convenience of voting by mail, not for the act of voting itself.

I'm not sure how I feel about that explanation, and honestly I agree with your sentiment, but that is possibly a reason why.
 
2012-10-22 07:58:16 PM
So I'm guessing that the "right wing remote controlled voting booth" conspiracy didn't get enough traction?

On the sixteenth day until elections,
the right wing gave to me:
Booths that only vote for Romney

Only fifteen days to the elections,
the right wing gave to me:
Postal rate increases to prevent my vote, infuriating me

With only fourteen days til elections,
the right wing really angered me:
This is the spot where you get to add your own conspiracy...

I promised myself I wouldn't and i did. I truly suck at being impartial on these things.
 
2012-10-22 08:00:19 PM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Because I don't want to fund anyone who doesn't vote the same as me?
 
2012-10-22 08:00:26 PM
How is this even for or against any party?

If anything is shows another reason why we're not ready for a popular vote for president. Right now voter laws are at least similar inside each state or lat least county/town. So minor difference tend to wash out and the electoral college evens things out. So if 20% of the people vote in a state you'd get the same number of electoral votes as if 100% of the people voted. In any dark red/blue states voting for president is basically meaningless today. If president was by popular vote then the voting system would have to be much more uniform if not the irregularities would become an issue.

This also shows the waste that exists in local government. Why is there not a single template that the entire states uses? Different areas may have different lower level elections but using a common template, printers, paper, envelopes is cheaper. More purchasing power and logistics of scale, not to mention the redundant administrative costs. 100 towns all doing basically custom small scale bids to different printers is costlier and far less efficient than 100 towns sending a pdf and address list to the state and the state doing a few large bids to printers. Not to mention the uniformity it would provide and reduction in confusion. But I digress I'm used to working in a Fortune 100 company where 99% of vendors are controlled from the corporate office and local offices place orders through a company portal to ensure the best possible price and reduce administrative time/costs.
 
2012-10-22 08:02:12 PM

markie_farkie: FlashHarry: republicans want fewer people to vote.

As more and more of the GOP base die off, and the party slides inevitably toward increasing irrelevance, and impotence in their party's ability to gerrymander and disenfranchise in order to win, their tactics will only become more outlandish until at some point the entire thing blows up spectacularly in their faces.


I'd been thinking that for a while, but I'm no longer convinced. I think there's no logical limit to how derpy they can get.

HellRaisingHoosier: It's not an age thing. I could rattle off the names of quite a few of friends my age who vote straight Republican.

Education is the only way to defeat the malicious and stupid.


The GOP has already deployed a workaround: create a hermetically sealed reality bubble where the facts support them. Even smart people get sucked in; education doesn't matter to someone who rejects your reality and substitutes their own.
 
2012-10-22 08:07:08 PM

FlashHarry: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.


And exactly how is anyone suppose to respond to this level of stupid without getting sucked into the vortex of stupidity that somehow favors you at the moment?

/shiat, just lost 10 IQ points re-reading your post trying to determine whether it is a worldclass troll or just stupid in its purist form.
 
2012-10-22 08:13:00 PM
You shouldn't have to mail your absentee ballot.

There are things called "collection stations" outside City Halls'n'sh*t. Hm. I wonder what they do?
 
2012-10-22 08:21:44 PM

serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.


Take pride in knowing your vote will be some loud mouth shill's anti-vote. All his hard work and determination months before the election trying to turn the political tide- and finally at the moment of truth when he gets to change those promises into practice: all will be unceremoniously extinguished with a toggle of switch in a non-disclosed voting booth by a less than enthusiastic voter. That, my friend, is the true power of YOUR vote.
 
2012-10-22 08:31:38 PM

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Soup4Bonnie: Wth is a Forever stamp?

It is the value of a standard postage stamp and does not have a fixed value. The next time the USPS raises the postage price for a standard envelope, the stamp will still cover the higher postage fee.


Should have got in on the ground floor with this one.

1) Buy thousands of forever stamps at .32 each
2) Wait until the rates hit .50+ each and sell them all back at .45
3) Profit?
 
2012-10-22 08:35:19 PM
I already voted.

Obama / Biden / Weed

Colorado, FTW.
 
2012-10-22 08:38:07 PM

atomic-age: I already voted.

Obama / Biden / Weed

Colorado, FTW.


YEAH BABY
 
2012-10-22 08:52:15 PM
Article says nothing about Absentee voters voting for Obama, or even that postage was raised at all. It's that the ballost are bigger/heavier and requires more than one stamp.
 
2012-10-22 09:11:23 PM

dickfreckle: Subby, put down the tinfoil hat. There's nothing here to suggest a nefarious plot to disenfranchise voters. The post office is merely charging more because the mailer is larger than a standard letter.

Yes, the GOP has done a ton of sh*t to screw with the vote, but this isn't one of them.


You have to admit, after this election season, it's hard not to think that.
 
2012-10-22 10:35:46 PM
Joe is trying to jinx the shutout
 
2012-10-22 10:38:23 PM
woops wrong thread
 
2012-10-22 11:00:43 PM
In Canada you can send mail to the government with no postage, or by writing 'In service of Her Majesty' on the envelope...few do it however (me included), just in case.

/Useless factoid.
 
2012-10-22 11:31:34 PM
What kind of shiat federal postal system doesn't accept an absentee ballot as postage paid in a goddamn federal election??
 
2012-10-23 12:01:24 AM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


My Minnesota ballot was. Electronic tracking as well so I can see it was received and accepted on the Secretary of State's website.
 
2012-10-23 12:37:52 AM

Nadie_AZ: serial_crusher: People in Ohio vote by mail to stand in line? How antiquated? They might as well send smoke signals.

Here in Texas we have early voting. You get a whole week to just show up whenever's convenient to you. I'll be heading out on Wednesday to support my favorite of two evils and let my opinion that doesn't matter anyhow be heard.

I voted by mail. The ballot came with an envelope with prepaid postage. Been that way for every election I've voted by mail, here. It is nice to sit down and think things over, do some homework, then stick it in the mail and be done with it. Easy.


Ohio has more bootstraps than Arizona
 
2012-10-23 01:03:42 AM

BoxOfBees: FlashHarry: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?

for the same reason election day isn't a national holiday (or moved to a sunday). republicans want fewer people to vote.

I'm a Libertarian (a real one, unlike Republicans who say they are) and I want fewer people to vote. Most people are stupid and uninformed. I want it to be more difficult for them to vote because someone who works a little harder to vote might also work hard enough to find out who's running and where they stand on the issues.

Have you seen/heard interviews with voters who don't know the names or stances of the candidates? You want more people to vote? People who can't recognize Biden or Romney but can recognize probably hundreds of movie and TV stars. People who think Obama is a pro-lifer? I know we can't and probably shouldn't prevent stupid people from voting, but doesn't it bother you just a little bit that some with IQ just barely above potato gets the same number of votes as you do? At least make them deviate from the route between their home and their meth dealer to make sure they actually want to vote. Or put a couple of stamps on the envelope.


Because the kinds of people you're talking about aren't filling out early/absentee voting forms, hell they're probably part of the 40-50% who can't be bothered to vote no matter HOW many times P-Diddy or Ashton Kutcher tells them that they'll be killed if they don't.
 
2012-10-23 01:30:41 AM

downstairs: Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


I would have thought that too, but it is technically a convenience.
 
Now, if someone is abroad for work, or in the military on the other side of the planet... I would hope those are postage-paid.


We are a military family in Rota, Spain. We sent out for absentee ballots in Michigan back about two months ago, and again about s month ago when we heard nothing in return.

We still haven't got them.

So we'll be doing a write in, I think, and trying our part to make sure Mitt doesn't take the Mitten.
 
2012-10-23 01:35:19 AM

Bloody William: Why the fark are ballots not postage-paid?


Been saying this for years.

That said my absentee ballot always comes with a slip of paper reminding me it takes extra postage.

But I'm registered in a 90%* *white* town so I'm not actively disenfranchised.

* a good % of that 90% are Arabic Christian and or Muslim but they count as white (according to the census) so don't show up on the RNC disenfranchise list yetm
 
2012-10-23 03:56:25 AM
Been said before, I'll say it again...

The USPS will deliver mail for want of a few cents of postage.

It has been determined that it was often a SUBSTANTIAL cost to the USPS to RETURN mail to the original sender for INSUFFICIENT postage because it required actual handling by a postal worker, whereas, most mail just flows through machines; therefore, it was just cost effective to deliver the farking thing.

Those workers at processing facilities are farking busting their asses off for all of us and they're seriously unappreciated.
 
2012-10-23 04:06:01 AM

rufus-t-firefly: Time to add the US Postal Service to the LOPCATGOPATA.

 
2012-10-23 06:54:18 AM
I live overseas and vote absentee. I could either bring it to the local US Embassy or Consulate and they would put it in the delivery bag back to the US or I could scan it and submit it online to my state elections people. Both options were free. I could also pay the Swiss Post and mail it normally or pay for FedEx/UPS if I wanted, both at my own cost.

The Arizona online ballot submission website was broken but the staff said they were accepting ballots by email. While I'm sure they're legit people there and they confirmed the receipt of my ballot by email, I really wish there was some way of verifying that it was actually counted.
 
2012-10-23 07:58:58 AM

heypete: I live overseas and vote absentee. I could either bring it to the local US Embassy or Consulate and they would put it in the delivery bag back to the US or I could scan it and submit it online to my state elections people. Both options were free. I could also pay the Swiss Post and mail it normally or pay for FedEx/UPS if I wanted, both at my own cost.

The Arizona online ballot submission website was broken but the staff said they were accepting ballots by email. While I'm sure they're legit people there and they confirmed the receipt of my ballot by email, I really wish there was some way of verifying that it was actually counted.


I'm sure they counted it as long as you voted straight GOP
 
2012-10-23 12:44:19 PM

heypete: I live overseas and vote absentee. I could either bring it to the local US Embassy or Consulate and they would put it in the delivery bag back to the US or I could scan it and submit it online to my state elections people. Both options were free. I could also pay the Swiss Post and mail it normally or pay for FedEx/UPS if I wanted, both at my own cost.

The Arizona online ballot submission website was broken but the staff said they were accepting ballots by email. While I'm sure they're legit people there and they confirmed the receipt of my ballot by email, I really wish there was some way of verifying that it was actually counted.


Yours wasn't postpaid? It might in fact depend on the state, but I was under the impression that overseas was regulated by federal laws (UOCAVA et al).

When I sent mine in, the envelope they gave me looked a lot like a business reply mail envelope, only with "International" all over it. I took it into the branch of La Poste near my office, asked the lady at the counter if it was good to go or if I needed to buy more postage for it. She said it was fine, stamped a postmark on it, and tossed it into the outgoing bin.

Then again, she may or may not have been giving a shiat, but whatever, it's been taken care of.
 
2012-10-23 01:02:40 PM

Robo Beat: Yours wasn't postpaid? It might in fact depend on the state, but I was under the impression that overseas was regulated by federal laws (UOCAVA et al).


To be fair, when I signed up for overseas voting they gave me the choice between them mailing me the ballot and emailing it. In the former, I imagine it would be prepaid. I ended up choosing the latter option, as it was far more convenient. Either way I could just drop it off at the embassy (which is about two blocks from my lab, so not really out of the way at all) and it'd go back for free.

I think it's pretty sad that my bank here in Switzerland can digitally sign and timestamp all of their communications with me (including PDF bank statements, credit card bills, etc.) to ensure the integrity of the documents but the PDF ballot isn't signed. That seems like a pretty basic thing to do when sending such files. With a simple ballot like this (it's the kind where you connect the head and tail of an arrow with a thick line), it seems that it'd be trivial to have the "click here to have Adobe Reader complete the line" function, much like they do with putting "x"s in checkboxes and whatnot. Instead, they want me to print out the PDF of the ballot and mark my decisions in pen, then print out the affidavit where I swear that I am who I claim to be, then scan both and email (or submit online, but that was broken) them the files back. I did that, but also digitally signed/timestamped the files to ensure their integrity.

/not voting GOP in Arizona, so the integrity of my ballot is of some concern to me.
 
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