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(CBC)   Alberta politician: "Was I wrong to suggest that recalled E.Coli-tainted beef should have been thoroughly cooked and fed to poor people instead of dumped in the landfill? Was that wrong?"   (cbc.ca) divider line 25
    More: Dumbass, E. coli, Alberta, Canadian Food Inspection Agency, Ray Yechtel  
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2012-10-22 12:54:07 PM  
6 votes:
Okay, I don't like her or the Wildrose, but this was blown way out of proportion. She wasn't saying "feed poors tainted beef (wooohh oh oh tainted beef)", she was stating that she thought you could cook out the e.coli and not waste the beef, which CFIA didn't think was possible in this case.

She was wrong and had words put into her mouth, admitted her stupidity, and everybody moves on.
2012-10-22 01:27:41 PM  
2 votes:
www.cbc.ca

She posed a question, not a suggestion.
2012-10-22 12:56:26 PM  
2 votes:
If cooking it right makes it safe I see no problem.
2012-10-22 12:55:41 PM  
2 votes:

DerAppie: Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria

E. coli bacteria can survive in the refrigerator and freezer, and it can multiply rapidly in the refrigerator, making E. coli particularly difficult to manage. E. coli will also survive in highly acidic environments, which is also unusual for most food-borne pathogens. They are killed by cooking, however, so the best prevention against E. coli is to heat foods to 160°F or hotter for at least 30 seconds. That means burgers should not be served rare.


Yeah, but it might insult some hobo so we should turn those animals directly into garbage so their deaths were for absolutely no reason.
2012-10-22 02:47:32 PM  
1 votes:
The Wildrose Party is a bunch of ex-PCs and some hardcore right-wingers who think the PC party has gone way down the path to the dreaded liberalism that would enslave, turn gay and abort every Albertan ever, even the ones that are already dead.

The Wildrose Party is merely a faction of the PC party, fueled by media attention and frustrated political morons who would rather take the pill that makes them sick than take no pill at all.

I remember before the election a WRP door-knocker came to my house and introduced the WRP as:

"the party that says, hey government, stay out of my life"

Well, I don't believe the government has any sort of unreasonable intrusion on my life, at all. Sorry.

/fix Alberta's electoral boundaries so that rural ridings aren't so grossly overrepresented
//watch the conservative political stranglehold on Alberta falter
2012-10-22 02:07:12 PM  
1 votes:

Theaetetus: toobsok: Okay, I don't like her or the Wildrose, but this was blown way out of proportion. She wasn't saying "feed poors tainted beef (wooohh oh oh tainted beef)", she was stating that she thought you could cook out the e.coli and not waste the beef, which CFIA didn't think was possible in this case.

Yep, because:
Mantour: DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?

No. Not if it is the O157:H7 strain, which causes "hamburger's disease". It is also the strain that caused death in the Walkerton Tragedy.

That's not her fault. I didn't know that there was a verotoxin producing strain until this thread either. I would've thought it was possible to pasteurize the meat too.


IIRC, O157:H7 is so dangerous specifically because of the toxin it produces. E. coli is a common gut resident in many mammals. We carry legions upon legions of them. It's not nice to find any strain riding on food, because it likely means that food came into contact with shiat, which is obviously never something you want to ingest. The O157 variant was the cause of the Jack-in-the-Box outbreak, the one that blew the issue of mass food contamination to public prominence. Killing that particular strain can trigger a mass release of any built-up toxin. Basically, if you find O157 (or any other strains that have evolved similar traits), your only really safe option is to write off that meat plus any other food that came into contact with contaminated gear.

It's freaky seeing every damned thing laid out in chapters 8 and 9 of Fast Food Nation play out all over again. Slaughterhouses with high line speeds, spotty and underprovisioned oversight, denials and CYA press releases, long buildups to massive recalls... I read that book for a course over a decade ago, and those chapters are still perfectly relevant, which in and of itself is a condemnation of Canadian food safety practices.
2012-10-22 01:56:17 PM  
1 votes:

mtbhucker: bratface: How is dumping it in a landfill any safer? That will not kill the toxin. What happens when other animals (rats, birds, etc.) eat the tainted beef and spread the toxin back into the food chain?

IIRC the beef is being buried in large sealed clay containers that are then buried.


And someday, long after this is all forgotten, future archeologists will find these sealed tombs full of meat and think they've unearthed Shub-Niggurath.
2012-10-22 01:52:24 PM  
1 votes:

bratface: How is dumping it in a landfill any safer? That will not kill the toxin. What happens when other animals (rats, birds, etc.) eat the tainted beef and spread the toxin back into the food chain?


IIRC the beef is being buried in large sealed clay containers that are then buried.
2012-10-22 01:50:14 PM  
1 votes:
How is dumping it in a landfill any safer? That will not kill the toxin. What happens when other animals (rats, birds, etc.) eat the tainted beef and spread the toxin back into the food chain?
2012-10-22 01:49:03 PM  
1 votes:
Or we could keep cow shiat out of the food suppliy, but that would mean hiring cutters and plant managers that give a fark and that costs money.
2012-10-22 01:46:33 PM  
1 votes:
The amount of money it would take to feed the poor (in any developed country) is so low that to look into things like this shows a complete lack of perspective (certainly when compared to things like military spending and corporate welfare). The impact on the budget of countries like the US, Canada, most of Europe, etc., is so trivial, and the benefits so high (for example boosting impoverished children's school grades and life/health prospects), the only reason not to do it with proper consumer grade food rather than try to use industrial waste and contaminated meat is to punish the poor for needing help.
2012-10-22 01:45:38 PM  
1 votes:

toobsok: Okay, I don't like her or the Wildrose, but this was blown way out of proportion. She wasn't saying "feed poors tainted beef (wooohh oh oh tainted beef)", she was stating that she thought you could cook out the e.coli and not waste the beef, which CFIA didn't think was possible in this case.


Yep, because:

Mantour: DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?

No. Not if it is the O157:H7 strain, which causes "hamburger's disease". It is also the strain that caused death in the Walkerton Tragedy.


That's not her fault. I didn't know that there was a verotoxin producing strain until this thread either. I would've thought it was possible to pasteurize the meat too.
2012-10-22 01:45:28 PM  
1 votes:
Wildrose=Tea party.

Darwin, Let this stupid twat gulp down a big thick burger made from cooked tainted meat and washed down with a glass of Walkerton water.
2012-10-22 01:44:24 PM  
1 votes:

DerAppie: /No idea what this "Walkerton Tragedy" is


Small town in Ontario . Where two dim witted brothers ran the town water system very badly for an number of years , Conservative Government of the day provided the lynch-pin in letting " Free market " in so the town did not have to send water tests to government labs using private labs instead ( hooray Free-market Conservative ideology !! ) . So only the brothers ( who never bothered to read the report ) knew the water was tainted . The public heath was silenced by the mayor ( not to ruin the town's ' good name' ) and only a local Doctor brought it to light and a number of people died -- Ontario Conservative legacy
2012-10-22 01:03:29 PM  
1 votes:

liam76: If cooking it right makes it safe I see no problem.


Cook the beef does not make it safe.

There is a problem.

Seriously, why else would they waste perfectly good beef? Sometimes people aren't evil or stupid; sometimes they're doing things for good reasons that aren't readily apparent.

Every other time though, they're evil and stupid.
2012-10-22 12:59:58 PM  
1 votes:

DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?


No. Not if it is the O157:H7 strain, which causes "hamburger's disease". It is also the strain that caused death in the Walkerton Tragedy.

Verotoxin-producing E.Coli
2012-10-22 12:59:37 PM  
1 votes:

meanmutton: toobsok: Okay, I don't like her or the Wildrose, but this was blown way out of proportion. She wasn't saying "feed poors tainted beef (wooohh oh oh tainted beef)", she was stating that she thought you could cook out the e.coli and not waste the beef, which CFIA didn't think was possible in this case.

She was wrong and had words put into her mouth, admitted her stupidity, and everybody moves on.

Stop trying to be reasonable!


I can't =(.

It seems like every Alberta thread people are reaching for reasons to hate the Wildrose and Conservatives. There are legitimate reasons, and this isn't one of them. I hate this sort of discourse.
2012-10-22 12:57:28 PM  
1 votes:
Alberta: Canada's Texas.

Oil, Cows, Rednecks and other right-wing nutjobs. The only thing Alberta is missing is Mexicans.
2012-10-22 12:57:10 PM  
1 votes:
I must be missing something. Her statement was logical. If the meat can be cooked to kill any E.Coli, but was instead thrown out, it would have been better utilized to feed the hungry. You can argue that it was not worth taking the chance, but that does not make her a Biatch.
2012-10-22 12:55:54 PM  
1 votes:

BolivarShagnasty: DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?

Its not so much the bacteria as the toxins they produce.


Came here to say this. Those won't go away.
2012-10-22 12:55:02 PM  
1 votes:

toobsok: Okay, I don't like her or the Wildrose, but this was blown way out of proportion. She wasn't saying "feed poors tainted beef (wooohh oh oh tainted beef)", she was stating that she thought you could cook out the e.coli and not waste the beef, which CFIA didn't think was possible in this case.

She was wrong and had words put into her mouth, admitted her stupidity, and everybody moves on.


Stop trying to be reasonable!
2012-10-22 12:54:01 PM  
1 votes:
Danielle Smith, the gift that keeps on giving.
2012-10-22 12:53:18 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-10-22 12:53:01 PM  
1 votes:
Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?
2012-10-22 12:49:53 PM  
1 votes:
Christ, what an asshole.
 
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