Mantour: DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?No. Not if it is the O157:H7 strain, which causes "hamburger's disease". It is also the strain that caused death in the Walkerton Tragedy.Verotoxin-producing E.Coli
C_Canuk: according to Wikipedia at a glance it looks like Mike the Knife did facilitate alternate channels of communication being shut down that may have prevented it, but it still doesn't show me why you think the conservatives or privatized labs fault to the tune you are singing.FTA"...For days the Walkerton Public Utilities Commission insisted the water supply was "OK" despite being in possession of laboratory tests that had found evidence of contamination...""...During the time of the tragedy, both Stan and Frank Koebel denied any wrongdoing and firmly held that the water at Walkerton was safe to drink. However, as the tragedy grew in severity the two were eventually part of the criminal investigation into the tragedy, and, as a result, both would eventually plead guilty to a charge of common nuisance through a plea bargain. In their plea, they admitted to falsifying reports and Frank admitted to drinking on the job, as a beer fridge did exist at the facility..."Did Mike Harris' government make changes that allowed this, yes, could they have foreseen that 30 year experienced workers would immediately criminally shiat the bed, no.
RobSeace: Mantour: DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?No. Not if it is the O157:H7 strain, which causes "hamburger's disease". It is also the strain that caused death in the Walkerton Tragedy.Verotoxin-producing E.ColiFrom your own link, if I follow the link specifically to O157:H7, it says this:Cooking all ground beef and hamburgers thoroughly, and checking the temperature using an instant-read meat thermometer, will eliminate the organism. Ground beef should be cooked until a thermometer inserted into several parts of the patty, including the thickest part, reads at least 72 °C (162 °F).So, someone still seems to think proper thorough cooking will still eliminate the danger even from this verotoxin-producing e.coli...
PlatinumDragon: Theaetetus: toobsok: Okay, I don't like her or the Wildrose, but this was blown way out of proportion. She wasn't saying "feed poors tainted beef (wooohh oh oh tainted beef)", she was stating that she thought you could cook out the e.coli and not waste the beef, which CFIA didn't think was possible in this case.Yep, because:Mantour: DerAppie: Okay, but we still haven't gotten an answer. Does cooking the meat kill the bacteria?No. Not if it is the O157:H7 strain, which causes "hamburger's disease". It is also the strain that caused death in the Walkerton Tragedy.That's not her fault. I didn't know that there was a verotoxin producing strain until this thread either. I would've thought it was possible to pasteurize the meat too.IIRC, O157:H7 is so dangerous specifically because of the toxin it produces. E. coli is a common gut resident in many mammals. We carry legions upon legions of them. It's not nice to find any strain riding on food, because it likely means that food came into contact with shiat, which is obviously never something you want to ingest. The O157 variant was the cause of the Jack-in-the-Box outbreak, the one that blew the issue of mass food contamination to public prominence. Killing that particular strain can trigger a mass release of any built-up toxin. Basically, if you find O157 (or any other strains that have evolved similar traits), your only really safe option is to write off that meat plus any other food that came into contact with contaminated gear.It's freaky seeing every damned thing laid out in chapters 8 and 9 of Fast Food Nation play out all over again. Slaughterhouses with high line speeds, spotty and underprovisioned oversight, denials and CYA press releases, long buildups to massive recalls... I read that book for a course over a decade ago, and those chapters are still perfectly relevant, which in and of itself is a condemnation of Canadian food safety practices.
Mantour: Thank you for the correction. Indeed, cooking eliminates the bacteria, of course but not the risk inherited by the toxin.
CokeBear: Alberta: Canada's Texas.Oil, Cows, Rednecks and other right-wing nutjobs. The only thing Alberta is missing is Mexicans.
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