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(The Weekly Standard)   The "most transparent administration in history" is required by law to submit quarterly reports on the "stimulus" through the third quarter of 2013. There hasn't been one released since Q2 2011   (weeklystandard.com) divider line 181
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2012-10-22 10:12:02 AM
So the GOP is upset that the reports they dismiss as bullshiat are no longer being produced?
 
2012-10-22 10:13:48 AM
If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...
 
2012-10-22 10:16:16 AM
"Stimulus" in quotes is a nice douchey touch.
 
2012-10-22 10:18:13 AM

mrshowrules: So the GOP is upset that the reports they dismiss as bullshiat are no longer being produced?


Goddamn, son. I gotta give props where props are due. That was some seriously solid deflection right there. Well done!
 
2012-10-22 10:18:23 AM

UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...


Is...is there one?
 
2012-10-22 10:36:45 AM

exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?



And the thing is that they *are* indeed late but as far as I can tell, they're simply late with the last quarter on every project that I have seen. I'm sure there are others that are later but I haven't found a way to list all projects by report (lazy) so you just have to click on them one at a time. The article characterizes it as if *none* of them have been released since Q2 2011. If they missed a digit and actually meant 2012, it would be way more accurate...but then it would be a non-issue.

It's also interesting that they and other like blogs/sites were going full blown wharrgarbl over the LG Chem thing last week and the report for LG Chem is up through Q2 2012 (this year), like every other report I've seen.
 
2012-10-22 10:43:10 AM
President elect Romney will handle this and many other things that Obama neglected or failed to accomplish in his term. I look forward to an honest assessment of the failed "stimulus" program submitted on time by the new administration.

/Even the vaunted "multiplier effect" that the dems bragged about will be more than negated by the "divider effect" of paying back all that squandered money. Obama failed miserably; of course he doesn't want to report on it, as required by law
 
2012-10-22 10:45:04 AM

UberDave: exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?


... like every other report I've seen.


I was actually asking for the link. hehe
 
2012-10-22 10:47:24 AM
Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.
 
2012-10-22 10:57:22 AM

exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?


... like every other report I've seen.

I was actually asking for the link. hehe



Oh. Sorry. Link
 
2012-10-22 10:58:36 AM

Il Douchey: President elect Romney will handle this and many other things that Obama neglected or failed to accomplish in his term.


so president romney will get us single-payer universal health coverage, close gitmo, and make gay marriage legal? awesome!
 
2012-10-22 11:06:47 AM
Dusk -You-n-Me: Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.

According to Obama's own council of economic advisors, as of Dec. 2011 (the most recent account), the "stimulus" cost taxpayers $317,000 per job created or saved. There is no objective way to measure jobs "saved". There are fewer Americans working today than before Obama's "recovery" act. We still have to pay back the money we borrowed to fund this. So please, inform me about the successful truth of this mess.
 
2012-10-22 11:09:30 AM

UberDave: exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?


... like every other report I've seen.

I was actually asking for the link. hehe


Oh. Sorry. Link


Thanks! And after looking at your link and sniffing around until I found this page
http://www.recovery.gov/About/board/Pages/Reports.aspx
I see that there are annual reports for 2009, 2010, and 2011 plus monthly status updates for 2012 up through July.
 
2012-10-22 11:11:52 AM

Il Douchey: So please, inform me about the successful truth of this mess.


The quarter after the stimulus was passed was the greatest improvement in jobs in 30 years.

jaredbernsteinblog.com
jaredbernsteinblog.com
jaredbernsteinblog.com

Link

If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.
 
2012-10-22 11:22:42 AM
Obama hasn't even submitted his birth certificate. What makes you think he'll submit some stupid quarterly TPS report?
 
2012-10-22 11:25:49 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.


He sees failure because he's been told by the GOP to see failure. He can't tell you what the failure is, but he knows he's supposed to see it, so he does. Very 1984ish.
 
2012-10-22 11:26:27 AM
Dusk: If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.

I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high. Artificial improvement caused by the injection of billions of borrowed dollars into the economy. Even the unemployment numbers are bogus: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce. Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist.

/Every day, more and more people see failure, and no you can't change our minds
 
2012-10-22 11:28:13 AM

Il Douchey: I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high. Artificial improvement caused by the injection of billions of borrowed dollars into the economy. Even the unemployment numbers are bogus: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce. Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist.


Dusk-You-n-Me: If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.


Yep.
 
2012-10-22 11:30:00 AM

exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?


... like every other report I've seen.

I was actually asking for the link. hehe


Oh. Sorry. Link

Thanks! And after looking at your link and sniffing around until I found this page
http://www.recovery.gov/About/board/Pages/Reports.aspx
I see that there are annual reports for 2009, 2010, and 2011 plus monthly status updates for 2012 up through July.



Cool. And sorry again. The damn page was only loading the first couple of paragraphs of the article and I didn't notice. I was wondering why the hell they were being so vague! I see now it is talking about the report. They are talking about the CEA report which is indeed behind it its reporting. I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of transparency however. The 8th report on Q2, 2011 was submitted in December of 2011. It just looks like typical government slowassedness. Rather than toss in comments about transparency and how Obama is doing everything in the world to fark everything up, it might be more productive in this instance to find out why the report is delayed...then go from there.
 
2012-10-22 11:34:09 AM

UberDave: it might be more productive in this instance to find out why the report is delayed...then go from there.


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2012-10-22 11:34:10 AM
well, that's not good.
 
2012-10-22 11:34:16 AM

FlashHarry: Il Douchey: President elect Romney will handle this and many other things that Obama neglected or failed to accomplish in his term.

so president romney will get us single-payer universal health coverage, close gitmo, and make gay marriage legal? awesome!


And close Gitmo!
 
2012-10-22 11:34:40 AM
When it works, the GOP did it! When it doesn't, Obama is a socialist.
 
2012-10-22 11:34:55 AM

UberDave: exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?


... like every other report I've seen.

I was actually asking for the link. hehe


Oh. Sorry. Link


So subby and TFA writer are GOP shill hack liars. Cool.
 
2012-10-22 11:35:22 AM

skullkrusher: well, that's not good.


Like you'd think any amount of information was enough. Look through the Recovery.org site up thread. Let me guess, that isn't enough information, right?
 
2012-10-22 11:36:11 AM

Il Douchey: Dusk -You-n-Me: Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.

According to Obama's own council of economic advisors, as of Dec. 2011 (the most recent account), the "stimulus" cost taxpayers $317,000 per job created or saved. There is no objective way to measure jobs "saved". There are fewer Americans working today than before Obama's "recovery" act. We still have to pay back the money we borrowed to fund this. So please, inform me about the successful truth of this mess.


Fark you

"First, there's the bogus talking point that the Obama plan will cost $275,000 per job created. Why is it bogus? Because it involves taking the cost of a plan that will extend over several years, creating millions of jobs each year, and dividing it by the jobs created in just one of those years.

It's as if an opponent of the school lunch program were to take an estimate of the cost of that program over the next five years, then divide it by the number of lunches provided in just one of those years, and assert that the program was hugely wasteful, because it cost $13 per lunch. (The actual cost of a free school lunch, by the way, is $2.57.)

The true cost per job of the Obama plan will probably be closer to $100,000 than $275,000 -- and the net cost will be as little as $60,000 once you take into account the fact that a stronger economy means higher tax receipts. [Paul Krugman, The New York Times, 1/25/09]"
 
2012-10-22 11:36:19 AM

Dancin_In_Anson: mrshowrules: So the GOP is upset that the reports they dismiss as bullshiat are no longer being produced?

Goddamn, son. I gotta give props where props are due. That was some seriously solid deflection right there. Well done!



No, here's some seriously solid deflection:
So the same GOP that cares so much about transparency, yet didn't care what was said during Cheney's closed door energy meeetings with Big Oil or that Romney won't release the past 10 years of IRS records is upset that the reports they dismiss as bullshiat are no longer being produced?
 
2012-10-22 11:36:56 AM
How come Obama hasn't released the 2013 year-end summary? Huh? Can't answer that one, can you, boy?
 
2012-10-22 11:37:17 AM

Il Douchey: I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high.


the bottom's gonna fall out any day libs! any!day!!!!
 
2012-10-22 11:37:50 AM

Il Douchey: Dusk: If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.

I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high. Artificial improvement caused by the injection of billions of borrowed dollars into the economy. Even the unemployment numbers are bogus: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce. Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist.

/Every day, more and more people see failure, and no you can't change our minds


That must be true because a blog told me so.
 
2012-10-22 11:37:55 AM

Il Douchey: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce.


Then explain why the U6/U3 ratio hasn't changed?

Could it be that you don't know WTF you're talking about?
 
2012-10-22 11:39:04 AM

Il Douchey: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce. Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist.


Stupid retiring boomers. Why can't they stay in the job market until after the election, thus keeping my talking point accurate?
 
2012-10-22 11:39:21 AM
seasiderotary.com
 
2012-10-22 11:39:45 AM

Il Douchey: I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high. Artificial improvement caused by the injection of billions of borrowed dollars into the economy.



A modest sugar high that has been in effect for the past 2 years? You are truly a idiot.
 
2012-10-22 11:39:54 AM

Il Douchey: Dusk: If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.

I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high. Artificial improvement caused by the injection of billions of borrowed dollars into the economy. Even the unemployment numbers are bogus: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce. Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist.

/Every day, more and more people see failure, and no you can't change our minds


Every day, more and more people like you watch Honey Boo Boo instead of CSPAN, and no we sure can't change your minds, but some how your opinion is supposed to be just as valid as ours.
 
2012-10-22 11:40:46 AM

Il Douchey: Dusk -You-n-Me: Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.

According to Obama's own council of economic advisors, as of Dec. 2011 (the most recent account), the "stimulus" cost taxpayers $317,000 per job created or saved. There is no objective way to measure jobs "saved". There are fewer Americans working today than before Obama's "recovery" act. We still have to pay back the money we borrowed to fund this. So please, inform me about the successful truth of this mess.


I don't get this talking point. Something like a bridge costs more then just the salary of the workers directly, it costs all the supplies and such needed to build it. So if, saw, a state used funds to build an overpass, it may cost 20 million, and employe 1500 workers, but that doesn't mean it cost 20million \ 1500 for one job. Instead, the worker may earn 45k a pop, but then you have millions in building materials, fuel, etc to buy.

That further effects the job market in terms of all the companies and areas that supplied that building material, who have to retain jobs or hire on new folks to meet demand.
 
2012-10-22 11:41:29 AM

Il Douchey: /Even the vaunted "multiplier effect" that the dems bragged about will be more than negated by the "divider effect" of paying back all that squandered money. Obama failed miserably; of course he doesn't want to report on it, as required by law


Cool story, bro.

Now tell me the one about how cutting taxes means more revenue because growth.

// it's the same argument, twinkle-toes
 
2012-10-22 11:41:52 AM
well can you blame him? that would have a negative effect on his political future. his dreams of a socialist utopia would be threatened.
 
2012-10-22 11:42:30 AM

Il Douchey: There is no objective way to measure jobs "saved". There are fewer Americans working today than before Obama's "recovery" act. ...So please, inform me about the successful truth of this mess.


Sure, the number of participants in the work force has been falling steadily since Clinton's administration. This has been covered repeatedly here, try 'search' or go the BLS source documents. "Fewer Americans working" is a Fox metric of failure unrelated to the real world, as is is most of their "we distort, you decide" content.
 
2012-10-22 11:43:40 AM

Il Douchey: Dusk: If you look at those charts and see failure than anything I can cite won't change your mind.

I look at those charts and see a modest sugar high. Artificial improvement caused by the injection of billions of borrowed dollars into the economy. Even the unemployment numbers are bogus: For every American that found a job, three "dropped out' of the workforce. Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist.

/Every day, more and more people see failure, and no you can't change our minds


Just because the gov't stopped counting those people doesn't mean that they no longer exist. Someone here....doesn't understand how unemployment is calculated. But that's ok, noone in the GOP does, apparently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unemployment Skip down to the part about the different U numbers.

Artificial improvement you say......so then, why, I ask you, hasn't the economy farking tanked since we are no longer pumping billions of dollars into it? Oh, that's right, because it's back on it's feet right now, and will continue to be. Aka, what the stimulus was supposed to do....it did.

For every American that found a job, three dropped out of the workforce You have a source for that load of crap, or are you just talking out of your butt again? You don't even have to answer that question, since I KNOW you're full of crap.
 
2012-10-22 11:44:01 AM

colon_pow: well can you blame him? that would have a negative effect on his political future. his dreams of a socialist utopia would be threatened.


Project much? Deciding positions based on political future is a patented Romney move.
 
2012-10-22 11:44:20 AM

UberDave: exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: exick: UberDave: If only there were a website that would show these quarterly reports and how far along they actually are...

Is...is there one?


... like every other report I've seen.

I was actually asking for the link. hehe


Oh. Sorry. Link

Thanks! And after looking at your link and sniffing around until I found this page
http://www.recovery.gov/About/board/Pages/Reports.aspx
I see that there are annual reports for 2009, 2010, and 2011 plus monthly status updates for 2012 up through July.


Cool. And sorry again. The damn page was only loading the first couple of paragraphs of the article and I didn't notice. I was wondering why the hell they were being so vague! I see now it is talking about the report. They are talking about the CEA report which is indeed behind it its reporting. I don't think it has anything to do with a lack of transparency however. The 8th report on Q2, 2011 was submitted in December of 2011. It just looks like typical government slowassedness. Rather than toss in comments about transparency and how Obama is doing everything in the world to fark everything up, it might be more productive in this instance to find out why the report is delayed...then go from there.


There is absolutely zero interest in this report. The interest is only in any way possible to make Obama look bad. Their hatred is blinding and all consuming. They care not for the welfare of the country, but only in the 'us' vs. 'them' battle. Romney and Obama could switch positions on any number of issues (like Romney does frequently) and they would argue the opposite point to their last breath.

I support Obama. I don't agree with him on everything that he's done, but I agree with him far more than I do Mr. Romney. The overwhelming majority of Romney supporters that I've talked to have no real liking for Romney, but instead are so bent on their hatred of Obama that Romney could microwave small children on live TV and they'd still vote for him.
 
2012-10-22 11:45:28 AM

colon_pow: well can you blame him? that would have a negative effect on his political future. his dreams of a socialist utopia would be threatened.


Who can blame you, a shill, for taking a right-wing shill website story for granted?

Hint: It's not true.

recovery.gov
 
2012-10-22 11:45:50 AM

Dusk-You-n-Me: Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.


You could have just said "... is a Republican".
 
2012-10-22 11:47:06 AM

GAT_00: skullkrusher: well, that's not good.

Like you'd think any amount of information was enough. Look through the Recovery.org site up thread. Let me guess, that isn't enough information, right?


why? Have you ever seen me talk about the stimulus being a failure or are you just making an ass of yourself with your assumptions again?
 
2012-10-22 11:47:12 AM
TROLL THREAD!!!
 
2012-10-22 11:47:39 AM

Arkanaut: Dusk-You-n-Me: Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.

You could have just said "... is a Republican".


Well, lets not forget "conservative independents" either.
 
2012-10-22 11:47:50 AM

Il Douchey: Dusk -You-n-Me: Anyone who insists the stimulus failed is uninformed, a liar, or both.

According to Obama's own council of economic advisors, as of Dec. 2011 (the most recent account), the "stimulus" cost taxpayers $317,000 per job created or saved. There is no objective way to measure jobs "saved". There are fewer Americans working today than before Obama's "recovery" act. We still have to pay back the money we borrowed to fund this. So please, inform me about the successful truth of this mess.


Your name really is quite fitting.
 
2012-10-22 11:48:05 AM

colon_pow: well can you blame him? that would have a negative effect on his political future. his dreams of a socialist utopia would be threatened.


So what, he was laying in wait for 4 years, pretending to be a pro-corporate centrist?
 
2012-10-22 11:49:23 AM

Sm3agol85: For every American that found a job, three dropped out of the workforce You have a source for that load of crap, or are you just talking out of your butt again? You don't even have to answer that question, since I KNOW you're full of crap.


He could actually be correct about that. Baby boomers are hitting retirement age and leaving the workforce in enormous numbers. My uncle just retired, so I guess he gets counted as a +1 on 0bamalamadingdong's "jobs destroyed" column. Never mind the fact that he retired because he took a look at his savings and realized there was no reason to work anymore.
 
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