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(Charleston Post and Courier)   Local fire department saves record number of lives without using any tongue   (postandcourier.com) divider line 24
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2012-10-22 01:25:47 PM
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2012-10-22 01:32:45 PM
CPR on its own will save somebody 7% of the time. That means the fire dept performed it about 100 times. Less than 100 and their percentage is above average. More than 100 and that number is below. I have no idea how big of an area that dept services, but if it saves at least one life thenit's well worth it.
 
2012-10-22 01:34:14 PM
Could we request tongue?
 
2012-10-22 01:38:47 PM
This guy capped Saudi oil fires...WITH HIS MOUTH.

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2012-10-22 01:41:44 PM
"No tongues"

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/you're welcome
 
2012-10-22 02:12:48 PM
EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.
 
2012-10-22 02:14:06 PM
Overpaid public employees....
 
2012-10-22 02:17:20 PM
www.postandcourier.com

Speaking of no tongue, those guys look like they're one low paycheck away from applying at the local cabaret.
 
2012-10-22 02:22:13 PM
For some reason I read that as "torque."
 
2012-10-22 02:25:09 PM

Glitchwerks: For some reason I read that as "torque."


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read it as "toque".
 
2012-10-22 02:29:38 PM

Neato: EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.


They've got training, but this department probably wants someone with certification who'd have more extensive training. My guess is they're also planning ahead for emergencies where they'd have to put out a fire as well as have someone acting as a paramedic.
 
2012-10-22 02:50:20 PM
A man had gone into a full arrest while riding on a CARTA bus. Nurses, who were aboard the bus, started CPR before firefighters got there. Fleming, who is trained as an emergency medical technician, his crew and EMS paramedics were able to save the man's life

Sorry boys, you dont get a "save" for that one, the nurses do. They started CPR before you guys got there

//the more you know
 
2012-10-22 03:00:34 PM

Neato: EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.


Not really. NFPA 1000, the standard for initial Firefighter Training, only requires First Responder.

In many jurisdictions, Firefighters are only trained - or even if an EMT, allowed to practice - to the NREMT-First Responder (Which is advanced first aid) level. Outside of large cities, it's unusual to find Fire Departments providing anything more than basic, Weeners life support services.

Most EMS in the US is still handled by either private, third service, or hosptial based units. There's actually no benefit above having a BLS engine company first respond other than to manipulate times to the arrival of a paramedic at bedside.
 
2012-10-22 03:02:06 PM

emt92339: A man had gone into a full arrest while riding on a CARTA bus. Nurses, who were aboard the bus, started CPR before firefighters got there. Fleming, who is trained as an emergency medical technician, his crew and EMS paramedics were able to save the man's life

Sorry boys, you dont get a "save" for that one, the nurses do. They started CPR before you guys got there

//the more you know


www.redcrosslv.org

Resuscitation is a team effort, dude. It encompasses everyone from the bystander who does CPR, to the cardiologist which stents the blood vessel in the heart.

Credit should go to everyone.
 
2012-10-22 03:10:33 PM

cyberspacedout: Neato: EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.

They've got training, but this department probably wants someone with certification who'd have more extensive training. My guess is they're also planning ahead for emergencies where they'd have to put out a fire as well as have someone acting as a paramedic.


It all depends on the department, medical director, municipality and contract if a paid department. Its not that fire apparatus arrives "faster" than an ambulance, its the fact that (1) there are more "fire trucks" than ambulances and (2) they dont transport. (3) There are usually more medical than fire calls. For example. Call #1 for Chest Pain / Difficulty Breathing. A BLS Engine Company and ALS Ambulance arrive at the same time. The ambulance crew transports pt to Hospital which may be for arguements sake, 20 minutes away (no lights/siren per protocol). Once there, ambulance crew has to wait for an open bed, transfer care, write a report and get the truck ready for the next call (yes, I know the PCR could be done in route). Lets say thats 30 minutes (on a good day). You are looking at on out of service time of approx 1:10. The Engiine Company, meanwhile, has put themselves back in service after the ambulance crew leaves the scene and is ready for the next call. In the meantime medical Call #2 goes out while the 1st Ambulance crew is making that 20 minute trip to the ED. Well you have to get another ambulance from somewhere. It may be on the other side of town or coming from another department. Thats why having fire companies or the PD in busy systems trained as First Resonders may make sense, so that they can start care while the bus is making its way back from the 1st call.
 
2012-10-22 03:12:59 PM

emt92339: cyberspacedout: Neato: EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.

They've got training, but this department probably wants someone with certification who'd have more extensive training. My guess is they're also planning ahead for emergencies where they'd have to put out a fire as well as have someone acting as a paramedic.

It all depends on the department, medical director, municipality and contract if a paid department. Its not that fire apparatus arrives "faster" than an ambulance, its the fact that (1) there are more "fire trucks" than ambulances and (2) they dont transport. (3) There are usually more medical than fire calls. For example. Call #1 for Chest Pain / Difficulty Breathing. A BLS Engine Company and ALS Ambulance arrive at the same time. The ambulance crew transports pt to Hospital which may be for arguements sake, 20 minutes away (no lights/siren per protocol). Once there, ambulance crew has to wait for an open bed, transfer care, write a report and get the truck ready for the next call (yes, I know the PCR could be done in route). Lets say thats 30 minutes (on a good day). You are looking at on out of service time of approx 1:10. The Engiine Company, meanwhile, has put themselves back in service after the ambulance crew leaves the scene and is ready for the next call. In the meantime medical Call #2 goes out while the 1st Ambulance crew is making that 20 minute trip to the ED. Well you have to get another ambulance from somewhere. It may be on the other side of town or coming from another department. Thats why having fire companies or the PD in busy systems trained as First Resonders may make sense, so that they can start care while the bus is making its way back from the 1st call.


Where are you an EMT at, might I ask? We're pushing hour-long wait times in my system at most hospitals with non-criticals.
 
2012-10-22 03:16:10 PM

BronyMedic: emt92339: A man had gone into a full arrest while riding on a CARTA bus. Nurses, who were aboard the bus, started CPR before firefighters got there. Fleming, who is trained as an emergency medical technician, his crew and EMS paramedics were able to save the man's life

Sorry boys, you dont get a "save" for that one, the nurses do. They started CPR before you guys got there

//the more you know

[www.redcrosslv.org image 387x234]

Resuscitation is a team effort, dude. It encompasses everyone from the bystander who does CPR, to the cardiologist which stents the blood vessel in the heart.

Credit should go to everyone.


Yeah, but in the real world you know it does not happen that way. The BLS providers always get all of the blame and none of the credit, especially if they are volunteers
 
2012-10-22 03:20:51 PM

BronyMedic: emt92339: cyberspacedout: Neato: EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.

They've got training, but this department probably wants someone with certification who'd have more extensive training. My guess is they're also planning ahead for emergencies where they'd have to put out a fire as well as have someone acting as a paramedic.

It all depends on the department, medical director, municipality and contract if a paid department. Its not that fire apparatus arrives "faster" than an ambulance, its the fact that (1) there are more "fire trucks" than ambulances and (2) they dont transport. (3) There are usually more medical than fire calls. For example. Call #1 for Chest Pain / Difficulty Breathing. A BLS Engine Company and ALS Ambulance arrive at the same time. The ambulance crew transports pt to Hospital which may be for arguements sake, 20 minutes away (no lights/siren per protocol). Once there, ambulance crew has to wait for an open bed, transfer care, write a report and get the truck ready for the next call (yes, I know the PCR could be done in route). Lets say thats 30 minutes (on a good day). You are looking at on out of service time of approx 1:10. The Engiine Company, meanwhile, has put themselves back in service after the ambulance crew leaves the scene and is ready for the next call. In the meantime medical Call #2 goes out while the 1st Ambulance crew is making that 20 minute trip to the ED. Well you have to get another ambulance from somewhere. It may be on the other side of town or coming from another department. Thats why having fire companies or the PD in busy systems trained as First Resonders may make sense, so that they can start care while the bus is making its way back from the 1st call.

Where are you an EMT at, might I ask? We're pushing hour-long wait times in my system at most hospitals with n ...


I was trying to keep the math simple. However, since you asked, I am a volunteer in a suburban/rural setting. When we have to go into the "big city" its usually on a trauma alert which gets us priority seating in the trauma bays.
 
2012-10-22 03:22:12 PM

emt92339: Yeah, but in the real world you know it does not happen that way. The BLS providers always get all of the blame and none of the credit, especially if they are volunteers


Which is damn sad, because the Volunteers get more respect in my mind than many of the paid guys. They don't have to go out and learn what they do, and then do what they do in their spare time, and they do it anyway.

The worst thing though, is the media. There could be one nurse standing in the crowd, and three EMTs, a Medic, and a Respiratory Therapist resuscitating this guy, and the nurse will STILL get the credit.
 
2012-10-22 03:39:42 PM

emt92339: BronyMedic: emt92339: cyberspacedout: Neato: EMT training isn't mandatory for every fire fighter? Firetrucks respond to medical emergencies specifically because they are trained to do so and they often can arrive faster than an ambulance.

They've got training, but this department probably wants someone with certification who'd have more extensive training. My guess is they're also planning ahead for emergencies where they'd have to put out a fire as well as have someone acting as a paramedic.

It all depends on the department, medical director, municipality and contract if a paid department. Its not that fire apparatus arrives "faster" than an ambulance, its the fact that (1) there are more "fire trucks" than ambulances and (2) they dont transport. (3) There are usually more medical than fire calls. For example. Call #1 for Chest Pain / Difficulty Breathing. A BLS Engine Company and ALS Ambulance arrive at the same time. The ambulance crew transports pt to Hospital which may be for arguements sake, 20 minutes away (no lights/siren per protocol). Once there, ambulance crew has to wait for an open bed, transfer care, write a report and get the truck ready for the next call (yes, I know the PCR could be done in route). Lets say thats 30 minutes (on a good day). You are looking at on out of service time of approx 1:10. The Engiine Company, meanwhile, has put themselves back in service after the ambulance crew leaves the scene and is ready for the next call. In the meantime medical Call #2 goes out while the 1st Ambulance crew is making that 20 minute trip to the ED. Well you have to get another ambulance from somewhere. It may be on the other side of town or coming from another department. Thats why having fire companies or the PD in busy systems trained as First Resonders may make sense, so that they can start care while the bus is making its way back from the 1st call.

Where are you an EMT at, might I ask? We're pushing hour-long wait times in my system at most hosp ...


I am super spoiled. If I have to wait for a bed at any hospital for more than 20 minutes I can put the hospital on bypass, and if that happens enough in a month the hospital can get fined (lose out on insurance coverage).
 
2012-10-22 03:47:08 PM

BronyMedic: emt92339: Yeah, but in the real world you know it does not happen that way. The BLS providers always get all of the blame and none of the credit, especially if they are volunteers

Which is damn sad, because the Volunteers get more respect in my mind than many of the paid guys. They don't have to go out and learn what they do, and then do what they do in their spare time, and they do it anyway.

The worst thing though, is the media. There could be one nurse standing in the crowd, and three EMTs, a Medic, and a Respiratory Therapist resuscitating this guy, and the nurse will STILL get the credit.


Oh and dont forget....if there is an Doctor nearby they get the credit and an interview
 
2012-10-22 04:12:03 PM

BronyMedic: Outside of large cities, it's unusual to find Fire Departments providing anything more than basic, Weeners life support services.


Either you got filterpwned, or they got some... uh, interesting firemen out there.

/I jest, u guys to awesome work
 
2012-10-22 04:12:46 PM
*do
 
2012-10-22 05:51:25 PM

emt92339: Oh and dont forget....if there is an Doctor nearby they get the credit and an interview


Surely a podiatrist is better qualified to give an interview than a paramedic!

/Not serious
 
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