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(Human Events)   A right-wing website has said that Iran has said that "Obama sent secret message recognizing our right to nuclear power." Well, that seems legit   (humanevents.com) divider line 80
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2012-10-22 10:10:28 AM
A story that crazy has GOTTA be true.
 
2012-10-22 10:13:05 AM
By: Jim Hoft

10/21/2012 05:08 PM


4.bp.blogspot.com

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2012-10-22 10:36:13 AM
Right wing zealots share many things in common. Stop the American Taliban and purge the GOP of tea baggers and bible pounders.
 
2012-10-22 10:36:13 AM
it's spelled "sekrit" subby
 
2012-10-22 10:36:34 AM
Obama isn't that sane.
 
2012-10-22 10:37:57 AM
The scary thing is, if you read TFA responses.....people believe this.
 
2012-10-22 10:39:08 AM
Appears as the top news story on FOX and MSNBC in 3...2...1....

/Teach the controversy!
 
2012-10-22 10:39:34 AM
I'm sure you'll pardon me if I fail to take this seriously.
 
2012-10-22 10:39:46 AM

You know who else sent secret messages about Iran?

i2.photobucket.com


Teri Smith Tyler, Plaintiff, v. James Carter, William Clinton, Ross Perot, American Cyanamid, Iron Mountain Security Corporation, Defense Intelligence Agency, IBM, David Rockerfeller, Rockerfeller Fund, BCCI, Nasa, Defendants.

Plaintiff Teri Smith Tyler, appearing pro se, filed a complaint in December 1992 alleging a bizarre conspiracy involving the defendants to enslave and oppress certain segments of our society. Plaintiff contends she is a cyborg, and that she received most of the information which forms the basis for her complaint, through "proteus", which I read to be some silent, telepathic form of communication. See complaint, at 1, and Affidavit accompanying November 1993 Order to Show Cause, at P g. She asserts that the defendants are involved in the "Iron Mountain Plan", which provides for the reinstitutionalization of slavery and "bloodsports" (which she identifies as death-hunting [n1] and witch-hunting), and the oppression of political dissidents, herself included. Plaintiff's complaint alleges a number of personal indignities visited upon her by defendants: "strafing of my dormitory room by planes and helicopters, the electronic bugging of my student rooms and apartments, deliberate noise harassment, blasting of loud rock music with lyrics designed for witch-hunts (music about social pariahs) . . . students following me around to prevent me from studying, whispering campaigns and social ostrification . . ." Complaint, at 1-2. Plaintiff also makes the following allegations against the defendants. Former President Jimmy Carter was the secret head of the Ku Klux Klan; Bill Clinton is the biological son of Jimmy Carter; President Clinton and Ross Perot have made fortunes in the death-hunting industry, and are responsible for the murder of at least 10 million black women in concentration camps, their bodies sold for meat and their skin turned into leather products. The defendants are also responsible for breeding farms, which turn out 2,000 black girls a year, who are then sold for recreational murder or as human pets. Additionally, the defendants utilize weather control and earthquake technology to threaten other countries that object to the Iron Mountain plan.

Cheney, through "proteus", purportedly told the plaintiff, "Well, we were so sick and tired of killing black girls. We just had to put some variety back into our death-hunting industry. And they (Persians) are incredibly beautiful. The beauty of the face heightens the pleasure of the kill. I know of no higher pleasure than the gang-rape of exceedingly beautiful people."
 
2012-10-22 10:40:42 AM
Surely this will enbolden those religious fundamentalists bent on destroying the world in hopes of seeing their silly, often-bastardized prophesy of the world's end come to fruition.

But how will this play outside the red states?
 
2012-10-22 10:40:54 AM
Bush acknowledged that Iran has a right to nuclear power. Hell, he sold them the fuel to run the power plants
 
2012-10-22 10:42:03 AM

born_yesterday: Appears as the top news story on FOX and MSNBC in 3...2...1....

/Teach the controversy!


Currently the top fox news story is that Obama must dominate the debate tonight if he has any chance of overcoming his absolutely terrible month. If he wins by a little bit he is toast.
 
2012-10-22 10:44:15 AM
You mean besides what is already clearly spelled out in the non-proliferation treaty that Iran has signed but Israel refuses to?
 
2012-10-22 10:48:05 AM

LarryDan43: born_yesterday: Appears as the top news story on FOX and MSNBC in 3...2...1....

/Teach the controversy!

Currently the top fox news story is that Obama must dominate the debate tonight if he has any chance of overcoming his absolutely terrible month. If he wins by a little bit he is toast.


Yep. Hopefully the media will give this debate the same thoughtful examination they have the other two, and fairly evaluate the performance of each candidate.

/*takes a deep breath*
//*holds it*
 
2012-10-22 10:48:56 AM
Does Iran WANT Romney/Israel to bomb them?
 
2012-10-22 10:48:59 AM
Nuke technology is already old enough that it has an AARP card. Do people really think you can keep a lid on it forever? Look at India, Pakistan and Best Korea. Has the world punished then for acquiring nukes? Or has it pretty much left them alone?
 
2012-10-22 10:50:36 AM
I think I discovered the device used to decode it!

nationalheritagemuseum.typepad.com
 
2012-10-22 10:51:07 AM
Ah, Weasel Zippers. Now there's a credible site if I've ever seen one.
 
2012-10-22 10:53:14 AM

born_yesterday: Appears as the top news story on FOX and MSNBC in 3...2...1....

/Teach the controversy!


Nah, it's only made it to GatewayPundit and LonelyConservative. It has a way to go before it hits Fox Nation and can then get picked up as a news-like story for Murdoch's various propaganda outlets.
 
2012-10-22 10:53:49 AM

Somacandra: Nuke technology is already old enough that it has an AARP card. Do people really think you can keep a lid on it forever? Look at India, Pakistan and Best Korea. Has the world punished then for acquiring nukes? Or has it pretty much left them alone?


And on the flip side, look at what happens to the people who stopped trying to acquire nukes. Saddam, Ghadaffi...
 
Xai
2012-10-22 10:58:43 AM
People believe what they want to be true.
 
2012-10-22 10:59:35 AM

Somacandra: Nuke technology is already old enough that it has an AARP card. Do people really think you can keep a lid on it forever? Look at India, Pakistan and Best Korea. Has the world punished then for acquiring nukes? Or has it pretty much left them alone?


Israel doesn't give a rat's ass whether or not those countries have nukes, but they don't want Iran to have tech that's older than color television.

That's why it's cool for India, Pakistan and Best Korea to have nukes, but anybody who isn't absolutely and unconditionally opposed to the idea that Iran should be allowed to even have a crayon-on-looseleaf-paper drawing of the Little Boy and Fat Man bombs is a goose-stepping, Hitler loving anti-semite.
 
2012-10-22 10:59:38 AM

sigdiamond2000: By: Jim Hoft

10/21/2012 05:08 PM



FATBLOGGOLBTAF
BLOGFATTAFGOLB 


Mutant Albino Retardican?
 
2012-10-22 11:00:52 AM
That article is as grounded in reality as anything else that has come out of the American right wing since 1981.
 
2012-10-22 11:01:30 AM

Granny_Panties: I think I discovered the device used to decode it!

[nationalheritagemuseum.typepad.com image 250x245]


Yup, that's what I was looking for in here.
 
2012-10-22 11:01:59 AM
So now we believe a former Revolutionary Guard member? This person magically has credibility now?
 
2012-10-22 11:03:24 AM
This is why I watch Fox News. Because the rest of the drive-by lamestream MSM media won't tell me the whole truth.
 
2012-10-22 11:09:25 AM
Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!
 
2012-10-22 11:11:27 AM
Usually you have to give up a truckload of Bazooka Joe wrappers to get intelligence this solid.
 
2012-10-22 11:14:31 AM
I'm not trying to just gloss over the foreign policy issues, but on the purely scientific side of things:

Nuclear weapons technology is 70 years old. Is it realistic to assume that we forever prevent anyone else from creating such a weapon?

I mean, the United States built one in an era before computers,cell phones, the internet, and most modern manufacturing techniques. Hell, we built it in an era before fuel injection and disc brakes.
 
Byn
2012-10-22 11:15:12 AM
Loving the comments after TFA. Wow.
 
2012-10-22 11:16:36 AM
FARS News agency? Article should have a bunch of missiles photoshopped into it.
 
2012-10-22 11:19:08 AM
The message, exactly as claimed, seems perfectly fine to me. Under international law, they have the right to nuclear power. They're already running at least one nuclear power plant. They also have the right to nuclear systems for use in medicine and scientific research. They just don't have a right to nuclear weapons.

So a message recognizing their right to "access and use of" nuclear technology seems perfectly correct, and in line with reminding them of the rights that they _don't_ have.

I really don't see how this is either controversial, or crazy.

- Stefan
 
2012-10-22 11:19:26 AM
WND broke this story. That should be all anyone needs to know.
 
2012-10-22 11:21:50 AM

bikerific: I'm not trying to just gloss over the foreign policy issues, but on the purely scientific side of things:

Nuclear weapons technology is 70 years old. Is it realistic to assume that we forever prevent anyone else from creating such a weapon?

I mean, the United States built one in an era before computers,cell phones, the internet, and most modern manufacturing techniques. Hell, we built it in an era before fuel injection and disc brakes.


I don't understand your point. Sure, they're 70 years old, but they're just as dangerous and destructive as they were when they were first developed. A world filled with nukes just waiting to be used is a very bad thing. Keeping even more people from getting them is a good thing.
 
2012-10-22 11:22:18 AM

spelletrader: FARS News agency? Article should have a bunch of missiles photoshopped into it.


Like this?

lh3.ggpht.com
 
2012-10-22 11:23:09 AM

FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!



Well the two wars Obama started really focked up the economy, so this time, this one will be done right.
 
2012-10-22 11:24:15 AM

FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!


They are buying the BS that the war will be quick and easy. A few bombing runs. No problem. 2-3 days tops.

Of course that ignores the fact that Iran has a decent air defense system that would have to be eliminated. It ignores that the Iranians have learned the lessons of the past and have made some of the key nuclear facilities quite difficult to destroy from the air. It ignores potential Iranian counter actions in the Persian gulf, Afghanistan, Iraq and against US and allied forces elsewhere in the region.

A significant portion of the people are always willing to believe that any war will be a "glorious little war" and that the boys will be home by Christmas without significant casualties.
 
2012-10-22 11:24:58 AM

urbangirl: bikerific: I'm not trying to just gloss over the foreign policy issues, but on the purely scientific side of things:

Nuclear weapons technology is 70 years old. Is it realistic to assume that we forever prevent anyone else from creating such a weapon?

I mean, the United States built one in an era before computers,cell phones, the internet, and most modern manufacturing techniques. Hell, we built it in an era before fuel injection and disc brakes.

I don't understand your point. Sure, they're 70 years old, but they're just as dangerous and destructive as they were when they were first developed. A world filled with nukes just waiting to be used is a very bad thing. Keeping even more people from getting them is a good thing.



Compare and contrast the number of wars started by nations with nukes over the past 50 years to the number of wars started by nations without nukes.
 
2012-10-22 11:25:43 AM

FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!


Loonies are WNDs target audience so yes.
 
2012-10-22 11:26:42 AM
Even if true, there's nothing controversial about this. Nobody cares if Iran has nuclear power. It's the weapons that we care about. From what I understand there have been plans to allow Iran to buy nuclear fuel that can't be enriched into weapons-grade uranium, but it fell apart (probably because Iran's holding out for, you know, actual nuclear weapons).
 
2012-10-22 11:26:53 AM

ShawnDoc: WND broke this story. That should be all anyone needs to know.


Classic logical fallacy, as it the article title - argumentum ad hominem - an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.
 
2012-10-22 11:27:01 AM

FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!


I war with Iran is so insane I just can't imaging anyone wanting it or doing it. I have to imagine people are joking. It might be the dumbest war in the history of the world if it happened. Even World War I makes more sense.
 
2012-10-22 11:27:53 AM

FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!


Only among the "glass parking lot" crowd. The ones that think achieving objectives in war are easy. Morons basically. They comprise roughly 35% of the electorate.
 
2012-10-22 11:28:31 AM

Lord_Baull: urbangirl: bikerific: I'm not trying to just gloss over the foreign policy issues, but on the purely scientific side of things:

Nuclear weapons technology is 70 years old. Is it realistic to assume that we forever prevent anyone else from creating such a weapon?

I mean, the United States built one in an era before computers,cell phones, the internet, and most modern manufacturing techniques. Hell, we built it in an era before fuel injection and disc brakes.

I don't understand your point. Sure, they're 70 years old, but they're just as dangerous and destructive as they were when they were first developed. A world filled with nukes just waiting to be used is a very bad thing. Keeping even more people from getting them is a good thing.


Compare and contrast the number of wars started by nations with nukes over the past 50 years to the number of wars started by nations without nukes.


It's like someone invented a gun that shoots you at the same time that it shoots other people. Nuclear weapons aren't so much weapons, if we take weapons as being tools for violence, as they are industrial-grade suicide machines.
 
2012-10-22 11:28:58 AM

DamnYankees: FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!

I war with Iran is so insane I just can't imaging anyone wanting it or doing it. I have to imagine people are joking. It might be the dumbest war in the history of the world if it happened. Even World War I makes more sense.


A China/Japan conflict over Diayou/Senkaku might be dumber.
 
2012-10-22 11:29:58 AM

Arkanaut: en if true, there's nothing controversial about this. Nobody cares if Iran has nuclear power. It's the weapons that we care about. From what I understand there have been plans to allow Iran to buy nuclear fuel that can't be enriched into weapons-grade uranium, but it fell apart (probably because Iran's holding out for, you know, actual nuclear weapons).


Very much THIS. If this isn't true, I hope we issue such a statement soon, because it's important while denying them weapons to make it clear that we're not attacking them for exercising their right to nuclear power.
 
2012-10-22 11:30:24 AM

Mike1480: ShawnDoc: WND broke this story. That should be all anyone needs to know.

Classic logical fallacy, as it the article title - argumentum ad hominem - an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it.


No, no.

This is poisoning the well.
 
2012-10-22 11:30:50 AM

DamnYankees: FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!

I war with Iran is so insane I just can't imaging anyone wanting it or doing it. I have to imagine people are joking. It might be the dumbest war in the history of the world if it happened. Even World War I makes more sense.


the exact same kinda lying the Bush admin was doing before Iraq was being done by Paul Ryan in the debate and they aren't even elected yet.
 
2012-10-22 11:31:07 AM

Rapmaster2000: DamnYankees: FarkedOver: Are people really itching for another war? They are farking nuts!

I war with Iran is so insane I just can't imaging anyone wanting it or doing it. I have to imagine people are joking. It might be the dumbest war in the history of the world if it happened. Even World War I makes more sense.

A China/Japan conflict over Diayou/Senkaku might be dumber.


I disagree. At least those countries, you know, are close to each other and have gone to war in the past. So there's a violent history which would lead to suspicion and distrust. I believe the last time Iran was in an actual war against a western power, Xerxes was their leader. They also might have sent some troops in the Crusades, I can't recall. Needless to say, it's been a while.
 
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