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(BBC)   Oldest undeciphered writing may soon be decoded despite the fact that "the original texts seem to contain many mistakes - and this makes it extremely tricky for anyone trying to find consistent patterns." LOL wate til u guyz hv too decde Twittre   ( bbc.co.uk) divider line
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2012-10-22 09:41:44 AM  
Yeah, but somehow, through every translation over three millenia, every single word of the Bible in English is utterly correct, completely infallible, and never internally inconsistent.

The human capacity to believe in fantasy is amazing.
 
2012-10-22 10:10:26 AM  
Very cool. I was hoping it would be about Linear A, which has always fascinated me.
 
2012-10-22 10:22:48 AM  
"Hello, Sweetie."
 
2012-10-22 10:57:33 AM  
This first case of educational underinvestment proved fatal for the writing system, which was corrupted and then completely disappeared

Uh-oh
 
2012-10-22 11:35:16 AM  
pragmaticobotsunite.com

Intrigued.
 
2012-10-22 11:43:47 AM  

Vodka Zombie: "Hello, Sweetie."


Vodka Zombie Wins

Flawless Victory

 
2012-10-22 12:24:51 PM  
Wake me up when you decipher Linear A.
 
2012-10-22 12:38:57 PM  
Profound.

Human developing a written language.
Like figuring out the wheel
Harnessing fire.
Using tools.

Or any of the starting categories in Civilization...
 
2012-10-22 12:48:10 PM  

FloydA: Vodka Zombie: "Hello, Sweetie."

Vodka Zombie Wins

Flawless Victory


Ditto. Came here looking for it--leaving satisfied.
 
2012-10-22 12:49:39 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Yeah, but somehow, through every translation over three millenia, every single word of the Bible in English is utterly correct, completely infallible, and never internally inconsistent.

The human capacity to believe in fantasy is amazing.


Hey guys, lets talk about history!
Yeah, history!
Ancient texts are awesome!
I hate religion!
Damnit Dahmer!
 
2012-10-22 01:01:40 PM  
Let me know when they decipher the Voynich manuscript.
 
2012-10-22 01:09:38 PM  
The people who ruled around Persia were very strong believers in Royal Blood - that Kings were semi-divine, this attribute was inheritable, and being king meant that you were divinely chosen. If a king died without sons then a new king absolutely had to have royal blood.

This meant that when there was a dynasty change not only would the new rulers have to produce a divine pedigree, they would also go about destroying all the statues, inscriptions, and records of the previous dynasty so that no potential usurpers could use them as evidence of their royal heritage.

Thus while Persia used writing and kept records almost all of them were destroyed on purpose and practically no documents exist before they were conquered by Muslims.
 
2012-10-22 01:16:40 PM  
Anyone explain Linear A? All I see is linear algebra.
 
2012-10-22 01:38:10 PM  
DON'T...FORGET...TO...DRINK...YOUR....OVALTINE


/sonofabiatch
 
2012-10-22 01:45:25 PM  

HairBolus: Thus while Persia used writing and kept records almost all of them were destroyed on purpose and practically no documents exist before they were conquered by Muslims.


Yea the amount of writing lost with the fall of Rome and Persia is horrifying. It's one of my great hopes that some Roman or Greek had the foresight to bury his library in sealed jars.
 
2012-10-22 02:00:41 PM  

Mr. Cat Poop: Let me know when they decipher the Voynich manuscript.


I knew that was going to come up. It's unintelligible because it's a prop for a con artist peddling knowledge from far away, hence he was the only one who could read it. Even though he was making it up as he went. Like Joseph Smith with an actual prop instead of dictating outta a hat.
 
2012-10-22 02:08:48 PM  
Wake me when Kryptos K4 is done.

Stupid 97 characters.
 
2012-10-22 02:25:35 PM  
Phaistos disk!

I would be nice if it wasn't a fake.

Where did the Minoans go? Did they become the Phoenicians?

Don't forget to check this out.
Professor Donald Kagan CLCV 205: Introduction to Ancient Greek History. It's on youtube.

/loves history
//loves people that fear it
///dark age
 
2012-10-22 02:32:29 PM  
It was space aliens that done it. No question, based on what my TV told me to believe.

/On second thought, it may have been Fark

//shakes tiny fist at Drew
 
2012-10-22 02:53:59 PM  
Twittre? As in "Le Twittre"? That makes this obligatory:

art.penny-arcade.com
 
2012-10-22 03:21:47 PM  
And he'll be played by Zachary Quinto when they make a movie about this.
 
2012-10-22 03:46:54 PM  
Was kind of hoping it would be the Mohenjo-Daro writing, but transliteration of proto-Elamite is actually pretty cool too :D
 
2012-10-22 03:55:08 PM  
Oldest undeciphered writing may soon be decoded

You don't decode a cipher.
 
2012-10-22 03:55:46 PM  

wildcardjack: Mr. Cat Poop: Let me know when they decipher the Voynich manuscript.

I knew that was going to come up. It's unintelligible because it's a prop for a con artist peddling knowledge from far away, hence he was the only one who could read it. Even though he was making it up as he went. Like Joseph Smith with an actual prop instead of dictating outta a hat.


That makes sense, and is yet still really disappointing somehow. :/
 
2012-10-22 04:02:40 PM  

dahmers love zombie: Yeah, but somehow, through every translation over three millenia, every single word of the Bible in English is utterly correct, completely infallible, and never internally inconsistent.

The human capacity to believe in fantasy is amazing.


I had some greek bible bashers hassle me while I was on holiday saying that their translation was completely accurate. I agreed that, as the text was 2000 years old that it was the direct word of god and so were the gnostic scripts which have a similar providence yet say that the person worshiped by christians is just the bastard son of sophia who was born without spirit and is a vain and jealous minor deity who was put in a back-room part of creation because the real gods were embarrassed by their backward deformed spiritless bastard...

They didn`t agree.
 
2012-10-22 05:21:09 PM  

dready zim: dahmers love zombie: Yeah, but somehow, through every translation over three millenia, every single word of the Bible in English is utterly correct, completely infallible, and never internally inconsistent.

The human capacity to believe in fantasy is amazing.

I had some greek bible bashers hassle me while I was on holiday saying that their translation was completely accurate. I agreed that, as the text was 2000 years old that it was the direct word of god and so were the gnostic scripts which have a similar providence yet say that the person worshiped by christians is just the bastard son of sophia who was born without spirit and is a vain and jealous minor deity who was put in a back-room part of creation because the real gods were embarrassed by their backward deformed spiritless bastard...

They didn`t agree.


I don't agree with you apostrophe. But I'm not sure.

Call me the agnostic apostrophist.
 
2012-10-23 08:10:43 AM  

dahmers love zombie: Yeah, but somehow, through every translation over three millenia, every single word of the Bible in English is utterly correct, completely infallible, and never internally inconsistent.


The Bible is a mess, and even the Catholic Church will tell you that they have a committee which picks and chooses what is and isn't canon. It's only the poor Evangelicals who are stupid enough to believe the entire Bible is infallible and entirely true. To make is worse, they favor a translation, the King James, which is chocked full of errors.

On the other hand, the Torah (The first five books of the Old Testament) in Hebrew, is one of the most remarkable examples of lossless transmission of information in human history: because the copyists are so careful when they write out a new Torah by hand, the whole document has only had a few characters change in 2500 years. One of the Dead Sea Scrolls is an almost complete Torah. It's on display in Israel today and if you can read Hebrew, you can read it.
 
2012-10-23 08:50:37 AM  
FTFA: "This is Indiana Jones with software."

No, it's not. But thanks for trying, would-be-cool writer guy.
 
2012-10-23 10:15:10 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: the Torah (The first five books of the Old Testament) in Hebrew, is one of the most remarkable examples of lossless transmission of information in human history: because the copyists are so careful when they write out a new Torah by hand, the whole document has only had a few characters change in 2500 years.


The Hebrew bible seems to have been first synthesized and written down around 500-600 BCE, as a perspective that the problem for Jews were that they were too polytheistic.Presumably it was synthesized from source documents but those that didn't fully fit were probably destroyed on purpose. Modern scholarship in such things as archeology, geography, natural history, etc. shows that a lot of the details of what happened earlier were just made up - the authors were more concerned with telling a believable consistent story than with such modern concerns as citing and preserving source material.

The Dead Sea Scrolls at most date back to 400 BCE and don't appear to preserve any of the pre-synthesis sources.
 
2012-10-24 12:16:45 PM  
Linear A? Clicky-poppy
My guesses -
1. When at the temple of Ishtar, ask for Lillith.
2. Your mother is so fat {lost text}
3. Galician girls will do it for pearls,
and Arakeen for water
 
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