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2012-10-22 10:29:45 AM  
"We can start to fix it by acknowledging that we know a lot less than we think. "

Pffft! I know how the process works just fine. Obama gets orders from his secret socialist-nazi-muslim overlords in Kenya and they tell him what to push on the American people. It's so simple. Why can't people wake up!!


/Good article
 
2012-10-22 11:00:06 AM  
the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.
 
2012-10-22 11:26:37 AM  

UberDave: Obama gets orders from his secret socialist-nazi-muslim overlords in Kenya and they tell him what to push on the American people.


Can you explain how that works?

(correct answer: "study it out, duh")
 
2012-10-22 12:02:02 PM  
so does that mean those of us capabe of backing up our position with reliable citations are not partisans?
 
2012-10-22 12:28:44 PM  
what's a moderate? a hard right republican from 1995?
 
2012-10-22 12:29:40 PM  

Headso: what's a moderate? a hard right republican from 1995?


www.biography.com
 
2012-10-22 12:30:12 PM  
All extremists should be lined up and shot
 
2012-10-22 12:31:09 PM  

FlashHarry: the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.


I can't repeat that enough. I used to vote for tons of Republicans. Now, maybe a couple local Republicans who haven't gone in to have their brains removed will get my vote. The leadership within the GOP has gone absolutely insane.
 
2012-10-22 12:31:40 PM  

Crewmannumber6: All extremists should be lined up and shot


But only moderately shot, of course. As in, don't aim for their extremities.
 
2012-10-22 12:33:18 PM  

Kazan: so does that mean those of us capabe of backing up our position with reliable citations are not partisans?


Reliable citations have a liberal bias.
 
2012-10-22 12:34:27 PM  
Crewmannumber6: All extremists should be lined up and shot

That seems a bit extreme.
 
2012-10-22 12:34:49 PM  

12349876: Kazan: so does that mean those of us capabe of backing up our position with reliable citations are not partisans?

Reliable citations have a liberal bias.


Reality has a liberal bias.
 
2012-10-22 12:35:09 PM  
Considering even Romney doesn't know how many ideas are in his plan, can you really blame Romney supporters for not knowing what the hell he's talking about?
 
2012-10-22 12:35:31 PM  

Zumaki: 12349876: Kazan: so does that mean those of us capabe of backing up our position with reliable citations are not partisans?

Reliable citations have a liberal bias.

Reality has a liberal bias.


I think we should start phrasing it differently. How about, "Liberals have a reality bias"?
 
2012-10-22 12:35:33 PM  
Extremists are ideologues. Moderates are pragmatists.

Film at 11.
 
2012-10-22 12:38:11 PM  
It's raining outside, and my wife and I are planning to go outside with the hopes of staying dry.

I want to use an umbrella.
She wants to use a wall of fire created through prayer to an imagined deity who resides in the dreams of homeless Czech veterans.
Clearly, we need to come to a mutual compromise, as there can't be a singularly right and wrong solution.

Welcome to politics in America.
 
2012-10-22 12:38:11 PM  
FlashHarry

the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.



Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates. This explains a whole helluva lot.
 
2012-10-22 12:38:58 PM  

Buffalo77: FlashHarry

the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.


Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates. This explains a whole helluva lot.


Whatever helps you sleep at night, fella.
 
2012-10-22 12:39:02 PM  
You can't reason with unreasonable people, i.e. partisans.

I love that many partisans claim they are moderates. The most partisan claim the moderates are the partisan ones.

Ah, projection.

//I try to be a pragmatist, but realize I am partisan on some issues.
 
2012-10-22 12:39:33 PM  

qorkfiend: Zumaki: 12349876: Kazan: so does that mean those of us capabe of backing up our position with reliable citations are not partisans?

Reliable citations have a liberal bias.

Reality has a liberal bias.

I think we should start phrasing it differently. How about, "Liberals have a reality bias"?


I disagree. The Truthers were proof that the Left isn't Derp-proof. While Liberals prefer reality - they are still fully capable of dragging lies along with them. Best to leave the truism alone.
 
2012-10-22 12:39:54 PM  

Buffalo77: Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates.


well there's no such thing as EXTREEM conservatives

that's like being EXTREEMLY modest
 
2012-10-22 12:40:22 PM  

sprawl15: Considering even Romney doesn't know how many ideas are in his plan, can you really blame Romney supporters for not knowing what the hell he's talking about?


There was a segment on MSNBC the other night that complained about Obama's lack of details for a second term. Outside of "going forward" what has the administration laid out for the next 4 years?
 
2012-10-22 12:40:25 PM  
All I got from this article is that I am smart because I know how toilets flush. Booya!
 
2012-10-22 12:43:03 PM  

madgonad: FlashHarry: the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.

I can't repeat that enough. I used to vote for tons of Republicans. Now, maybe a couple local Republicans who haven't gone in to have their brains removed will get my vote. The leadership within the GOP has gone absolutely insane.


They hadn't gone insane. They're actually quite brilliant by going along with looking insane. The extreme right is thrown on TV and talked about over and over in an effort to discredit them, etc. I think whats happening is that all this overexposure has forced the entire political spectrum to shift right. Why aren't the left extremists featured as heavily in the media? Is it an effort to contain their crazy and thus push that the only extreme is on the right? If that's the strategy it backfiring. That's disenfranchising the entire left extreme and weakening their position!
 
2012-10-22 12:43:41 PM  

xtragrind: sprawl15: Considering even Romney doesn't know how many ideas are in his plan, can you really blame Romney supporters for not knowing what the hell he's talking about?

There was a segment on MSNBC the other night that complained about Obama's lack of details for a second term. Outside of "going forward" what has the administration laid out for the next 4 years?


How about letting the upper tax brackets reset to Pre Bush tax cut levels while keeping the lower four brackets alone.

I think updating the electrical transmission infrastructure is still on the docket.

Winding down Afghanistan.
 
2012-10-22 12:43:47 PM  

Buffalo77: FlashHarry

the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.


Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates. This explains a whole helluva lot.


When Boehner said he got 90% of what he wanted from the debt reduction 'super-committee' and couldn't get his party members in line to approve it, it is the party that voted against the compromise that are the extremists.
 
2012-10-22 12:47:49 PM  

xtragrind: sprawl15: Considering even Romney doesn't know how many ideas are in his plan, can you really blame Romney supporters for not knowing what the hell he's talking about?

There was a segment on MSNBC the other night that complained about Obama's lack of details for a second term. Outside of "going forward" what has the administration laid out for the next 4 years?


You can find it at year behind dot com.
 
2012-10-22 12:54:01 PM  
FTA: We should demand that Mr. Obama and Mr. Romney explain how in addition to why.

Uh . . . that's not something that Mr. Romney is prepared to do. How exactly is that a moderate position, if this article is really just a Romney hit piece in disguise?
 
2012-10-22 01:01:30 PM  

sprawl15: Buffalo77: Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates.

well there's no such thing as EXTREEM conservatives

that's like being EXTREEMLY modest


What about a SEVERE conservative?
 
2012-10-22 01:06:19 PM  

theknuckler_33: Extremists are ideologues. Moderates are pragmatists.

Film at 11.


Actually, the article seems to be saying the converse, that asking people to explain their views in a pragmatic way makes them more moderate -- i.e. it's not that moderates are pragmatists, but that pragmatists are moderates. I suppose that from a pure logic perspective, someone could be still be a moderate while still being an ideologue, e.g. if you're a social conservative but an economic liberal for religious reasons.
 
2012-10-22 01:06:49 PM  
Study it out!
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2012-10-22 01:19:27 PM  
I don't think only moderates understand issues. Only moderates speak in terms that sound like there is understanding.

Example: I, a liberal, will concede that, yes, we should work on controlling the national deficit and eventually reducing the national debt. But I won't talk that way when I hear "small gubbmint" people say "keep your gubbmint hand off my Medicare" and "Keep America $afe!" Nor will I concede that this is the only issue.

I won't sign onto policies that 1) protect absolutely (and even expand) the gravy train that current GOP-voting retirees get, 2) slash the benefits I receive when I retire 3) slash taxes for corporations and the very wealthy and 4) keep expanding the One-F35-and-one-Abrams-for-every-citizen military budget.

If the definition of "understanding the issues" means that I must sign on to those policies, then by that definition, I cannot understand the issues.
 
2012-10-22 01:21:48 PM  

ultraholland: Crewmannumber6: All extremists should be lined up and shot

That seems a bit extreme.


What if we use small caliber bullets?
 
2012-10-22 01:21:53 PM  

Buffalo77: FlashHarry

the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.


Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates. This explains a whole helluva lot


i162.photobucket.com 

Because that's the only appropriate response
 
2012-10-22 01:23:57 PM  

Kibbler: I don't think only moderates understand issues. Only moderates speak in terms that sound like there is understanding.

Example: I, a liberal, will concede that, yes, we should work on controlling the national deficit and eventually reducing the national debt. But I won't talk that way when I hear "small gubbmint" people say "keep your gubbmint hand off my Medicare" and "Keep America $afe!" Nor will I concede that this is the only issue.

I won't sign onto policies that 1) protect absolutely (and even expand) the gravy train that current GOP-voting retirees get, 2) slash the benefits I receive when I retire 3) slash taxes for corporations and the very wealthy and 4) keep expanding the One-F35-and-one-Abrams-for-every-citizen military budget.

If the definition of "understanding the issues" means that I must sign on to those policies, then by that definition, I cannot understand the issues.


Listen to Alec Baldwin's podcast, Here's The Thing. He did one episode with George Will, then the next week with David Brooks. Two people with whom he is diametrically opposed, and they were able discuss things calmly, rationally and with mutual respect. It changed my opinion of Baldwin a lot.
 
2012-10-22 01:28:08 PM  

theknuckler_33: Buffalo77: FlashHarry

the thing is, in 2012, democrats are moderates and republicans are extremists.

and this explains a whole helluva lot.


Just the opposite, democrats are extremeists and republican are moderates. This explains a whole helluva lot.

When Boehner said he got 90% of what he wanted from the debt reduction 'super-committee' and couldn't get his party members in line to approve it, it is the party that voted against the compromise that are the extremists.


Plus, the teabaggers created the entire crisis by thinking that the debt ceiling involves actual spending, rather than authorizing the government to cover debts that are already on the books. The over-generalized household analogy would be trying to reduce the family's spending by refusing to pay your credit card bills.
 
2012-10-22 03:31:58 PM  

imontheinternet: Plus, the teabaggers created the entire crisis by thinking that the debt ceiling involves actual spending, rather than authorizing the government to cover debts that are already on the books. The over-generalized household analogy would be trying to reduce the family's spending by refusing to pay your credit card bills.


MOTHERF*CKING THIS!!!!
 
2012-10-22 03:56:05 PM  

imontheinternet: Plus, the teabaggers created the entire crisis by thinking that the debt ceiling involves actual spending, rather than authorizing the government to cover debts that are already on the books. The over-generalized household analogy would be trying to reduce the family's spending by refusing to pay your credit card bills. requesting a credit limit increase.



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