Zizzowop: Given how physically fit he was/is, like Lewis Black said, the question isn't was he doping, the question is why aren't we all doping.
browntimmy: drewsclues: Tyrone Slothrop: drewsclues: lohphat: drewsclues: earthwirm: In before the Lance haters.... Oh. Too late. Everyone hates a winner.There's a a lot of smug whining in this thread. I glad you all attribute such high morals to riding a goddam bicycle. Get over it. Winners take every advantage and bend every rule. If you you're not cheating, you're not trying. Period.You sound Conservative.Liberal as they come. I just don't think sports matter enough in the world to get all pissed when someone bends to rules to their advantage. Don't want to get pissed when people make money off cheating at sports? Stop paying billions to the people that play the games. Simple as that.And yet your attitude describes the Republican platform perfectly.And yours describes the Democrat platform; whining rather than doing.It's hilarious that you think the position, "people shouldn't cheat" is whining. Sorry about the shiatty parents and role models you had.
lohphat: Joe Blowme: Unless they are cheating the immigration system, welfare, elections, ect... you know... the shiat that actually matters then its ok to right?You're including the employers that willingly and knowingly hire undocumented workers to protect their profits right? Do you think those people are working in crappy slave conditions because they want to?Want to solve the immigration problem? Jail a few agribusiness and construction CEOs and seize their assets for hiring undocumented workers. They're creating the employment market drawing them here.
Molavian: What a f*cking liar. I knew that damn testicular cancer thing was a cover-up! He had one of his balls surgically removed to be a more competitive cyclist! His junk could then all flop to the same side when biking, allowing him to sprint more easily than those with both testicles!!!!!!
Skarekrough: machoprogrammer: In before the Lance apologistsI won't apologize for him.However no one gave a crap about cycling before him and no one will likely give a crap about the sport after him.In between his influence generated millions upon millions for bike manufacturers, clothing makers, membership fees for bicycle race orgs and Christ knows what else.It's a dumb move to shorten that gravy train a single day longer than it needed to be. For the sake of all parties involved investigations should have concluded for everyone racing, organizing and coaching before they'd outed him.I know....I know. "Bicycling doesn't need a cheater." Sure. Right. Like the past fifteen years of near light-speed advancements in cycling would have happened without him on the merits of a sport no one gave a shiat about.Keep thinking that. It'll be important to remember when they're tearing down the velodrome to make way for a skate park.
steve_wmn: Indurain, like Armstrong made several attempts at the TdF with mediocre results.
waterrockets: Headso: hopefully this will reduce the number of douchebag cyclists using roads for exercise equipment and inconveniencing everyone else as they do it.Nope. I don't know anybody in my local racing community who does it because of Lance or anyone else.So roads are single use? Mostly to take your 6000 lbs vehicle to go buy 17 lbs worth of groceries?
mbillodeaux: Zizzowop: Given how physically fit he was/is, like Lewis Black said, the question isn't was he doping, the question is why aren't we all doping.I wish I was as concise!Well done.
TheOther: mbillodeaux: Zizzowop: Given how physically fit he was/is, like Lewis Black said, the question isn't was he doping, the question is why aren't we all doping.I wish I was as concise!Well done.We should be celebrating Armstrong, rather than castigating him.Dock Ellis' no-hitter on LSD is a greater accomplishment than all seven of Nolan Ryan's...although this...[media.komonews.com image 320x348]...outshines them all.
TheOther: We should be celebrating Armstrong, rather than castigating him.
Obama4Life: Nobody could win 7 consecutive Titles without a little outside help.
expobill: [cyclingteammovistar.files.wordpress.com image 500x286]
New Age Redneck: If you read the Reasoned Decision and see how the doctors manage the doping you realize it is virtually impossible to get caught. Tempting.....very tempting.....
steve_wmn: Lemond's miracle recovery from dud in the Giro to winner of the TdF in 1989? Iron shots, totally.
Joe Peanut: Obama4Life: Nobody could win 7 consecutive Titles without a little outside help.Which is why they should investigate Michael Schumacher. He must have been injecting nitrous oxide into his engine./derp
Headso: And while I'm at it,
Dopgang: but he was still beating a bunch of dopers just like himself
expobill: steve_wmn: Indurain, like Armstrong made several attempts at the TdF with mediocre results.that like saying umm Derek Jeter is not a good baseball playerMiguel beat some top riders who were the best of all time, including Delgado whom he rode for.Then both of them consulted with Italian EPO doping experts (Indurain with Francesco Conconi, Armstrong with Conconi's disciple Ferrari) and started winning the TdF several years in a row.source?Indurain outsmarted Lance by taking his palmares, retiring and living a nice quiet life. Armstrong did anything but and it has back fired on in enormously.Indurain was going to sign with ONCE, but left cycling because Banesto forced him to ride the Vuelta in 1996, not our proudest team moment.what else ya got?
kab: expobill: [cyclingteammovistar.files.wordpress.com image 500x286]Delgado = probenecid
JohnBigBootay: And that's why it's worth it see see cycling cleaned up once and for all and a perfect illustration of why doping is so insiduous. Human beings on occasion ARE capable of periodic amazing feats seemingly out of nowhere. Like Bob Beamon. But unless the drugs are ceased they'll all just be written off to PED's instead of celebrated for the amazing feats they were.
To The Escape Zeppelin!: The medals will go to racers who's doping hasn't been caught yet.
JohnBigBootay: Dopgang: but he was still beating a bunch of dopers just like himselfNo, not JUST like himself. The other teams didn't have the benefit of a sponsor making a giant 'donation' to the testing authority and occasional early warnings. The other teams almost certainly didn't have all eight other riders on a sophisticated doping system - they had a doper here, a doper there, not the team wide coordinated effort of team armstrong. And they certainly didn't have all of Ferrari's microdosing/saline expertise.
JeffDudeLebowski: BIIIIIIIIIIII-cycleBIIIIIIIIIIII-cycleBIIIIIIIIIIII-cycleI want to ride my bicycle I want to ride my biiiike I want to ride my biCYCLE I want to ride it where I liiiiiiiikebut i can't because I got buuuuuuuusted!
Cheron: Armstrong stripped of Tour de France Titles, staged Moon Landing
Contrabulous Flabtraption: LOl, all this to do about guys riding bicycles.
Dopgang: Unless they vacate every victory of every cyclist & give the Tour, Giro & Vuelta titles to Christophe Bassoons they are just blowing smoke up your ass about the doping thing.
mikaloyd: Never trust a bicyclist
steve_wmn: Contrabulous Flabtraption: LOl, all this to do about guys riding bicycles.Guys that make more money riding bicycles in 10-15 years than you'll make in your lifetime. Professional cycling is the best paying sport available to endurance athletes. With that big money comes big incentives to cheat.
DeathCipris: Alright, is it just me or is ALL of this evidence against him hearsay?
mikes73: Cycling is a dirty sport - always has been. The truth of the matter is that many, perhaps most of the riders on the Tour dope. Anyone who believes otherwise is completely delusional. All Lance did was beat them at their own game (making a lot of enemies along the way, of course).
expobill: mikaloyd: Never trust a bicyclisthey!
sleep lack: Dude had cancer 16 years ago and still alive./WINNING
mikaloyd: expobill: mikaloyd: Never trust a bicyclisthey!Are you trustworthy?
DeathCipris: Alright, is it just me or is ALL of this evidence against him hearsay? By people that didn't win and former butthurt teammates no less...The evidence was so scant in fact, that federal prosecutors DROPPED the case against him due to lack of evidence.
jchic: Okay, so this means that they are 100% sure that everyone else is clean and Lance was the only cheater right? Right?Yea, that's what I thought.
JohnBigBootay: Zizzowop: Given how physically fit he was/is, like Lewis Black said, the question isn't was he doping, the question is why aren't we all doping.With EPO - good luck. Some supremely fit cyclists have died in their sleep while trying to pump the old catchup blood. I know what you are saying, 'just take blood thinners!'. Well, there's the guy who bled out from a miinor injury from taking to many blood thinners to counter the EPO.At any rate, yeah, EPO can increase you athletic performance if you train properly... but it's dangerous shiat. I for one, do not like the idea of sleeping with a heart monitor to wake me up if it slows down too much so I can hop on an exercise bike to get it going again.In the words of one guy..."During the day we live to ride, and at night, we ride to stay alive"Sounds like great fun, no?
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