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2012-10-22 08:59:12 AM  

Headso: hopefully this will reduce the number of douchebag cyclists using roads for exercise equipment and inconveniencing everyone else as they do it.


And spare us the inappropriate use of Spandex.
 
2012-10-22 08:59:20 AM  
So how much of an edge does doping give you anyway? Are we talking a few seconds, minutes, hours, or how do you measure this sort of thing?
 
2012-10-22 09:00:12 AM  

earthwirm: In before the Lance haters.... Oh. Too late. Everyone hates a winner.


There's a a lot of smug whining in this thread. I glad you all attribute such high morals to riding a goddam bicycle. Get over it. Winners take every advantage and bend every rule. If you you're not cheating, you're not trying. Period.
 
2012-10-22 09:00:53 AM  
I've remember when the french cycling federation accused Lance Armstrong for using performance-enhancing drugs, a horde of americans quickly came up with a bunch of conspiracy theories and repeatedly insulted France.

Now the US anti-doping agency points out the exact same conclusions and I hear no apology being given to France and the french.
 
2012-10-22 09:01:09 AM  

ripple123: i just wanna let anyone who uses his charities to somehow defend his cheating that that is a insult to the character of those who would have won if there was no doping in the tour de france, as it assumes they would not be as generous. good deeds do not absolve you of bad deeds. especially if you dont admit to them.


And, 2005 has only two of the top ten listed as not being busted for PEDs. I'm not certain that defending the character of those who would have won if there was no doping applies as it seems like the only cyclists not using PEDs are the ones commuting to work on a bike.

Bicycles: the new gateway drug.
 
2012-10-22 09:02:30 AM  

doglover: ripple123: those who would have won if there was no doping in the tour de france

of the 45 riders on the podium between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by cyclists "similarly tainted by doping."

:-/


well doglover, i guess that means its probably the guy in 40th or something place whos the actual, deserving, honest and genuine sportsman. my hat off to whoever that person is. and fark the rest.
 
2012-10-22 09:04:22 AM  

drewsclues: earthwirm: In before the Lance haters.... Oh. Too late. Everyone hates a winner.

There's a a lot of smug whining in this thread. I glad you all attribute such high morals to riding a goddam bicycle. Get over it. Winners take every advantage and bend every rule. If you you're not cheating, you're not trying. Period.


You sound Conservative.
 
2012-10-22 09:04:31 AM  
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Gig's up, Lance! Strip out of that spacesuit and GTFO!
 
2012-10-22 09:04:45 AM  

jchic: Okay, so this means that they are 100% sure that everyone else is clean and Lance was the only cheater right? Right?

Yea, that's what I thought.



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2012-10-22 09:04:59 AM  
The titles are going to nobody. 1999-2005 will go down as having no winner.
 
2012-10-22 09:07:13 AM  

pag1107: fark cheaters.


What about farking non-cheaters? Just sanction it all. You wanna pound HGH into your bloodstream while you train? Go ahead. You don't? Prepare to come in 10th or lower no matter how hard you train.

Just open the doors completely. idk... it's Professional Athletics. There's a lot more at stake than honor.
 
2012-10-22 09:07:39 AM  
He cheated, and was stripped of all his titles, which is right.

The most of the rest of the field also cheated, and so no one will ever know how far down that first guy who didn't cheat is, which is sad.

I feel most sorry for those who thought he was a hero... he very nearly was. But to allow him to get away with it would only encourage another generation to try to get away with cheating. Athletes must know that if they cheat they WILL get caught, if not now, then eventually, and everyone will know.
 
2012-10-22 09:07:45 AM  
This is the epitome of the saying "If is seems too good to be true...."
 
2012-10-22 09:09:04 AM  

Obama4Life: jchic: Okay, so this means that they are 100% sure that everyone else is clean and Lance was the only cheater right? Right?

Yea, that's what I thought.

You don't win 7 titles in a row by playing fair-and-square.

Two...MAYBE 3 Titles I can buy. But 7 in a row? Not unless you're cheating


I thought your comment said Four Square, and I was about to get angry. I am a bad ass in Four Square, and I don't cheat.

/still living the glory days of 5th grade
 
2012-10-22 09:09:30 AM  

destrip: How can they accuse him of cheating if he never failed a doping test?


And we're done.
(not really, but we should be.)

All of the evidence is circumstantial at best. Guilt by association is not evidence. If he used, I'm all for stripping his titles. But come up with better evidence than disgruntled non-winners and "because he was around other users, he must have used" crap.
 
2012-10-22 09:09:34 AM  

ripple123: doglover: ripple123: those who would have won if there was no doping in the tour de france

of the 45 riders on the podium between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by cyclists "similarly tainted by doping."

:-/

well doglover, i guess that means its probably the guy in 40th or something place whos the actual, deserving, honest and genuine sportsman. my hat off to whoever that person is. and fark the rest.


I would bet that "actual honest sportsman"=guy who doesn't get hired onto a team.
 
2012-10-22 09:09:43 AM  

Skarekrough: However no one gave a crap about cycling before him and no one will likely give a crap about the sport after him.


startwithtypewriters.com
3 time Tour de France winner and former Taco Bell pitchman Greg Lemond may beg to differ. Just because you yourself don't remember something doesn't mean it didn't hapen.
 
2012-10-22 09:10:07 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: So how much of an edge does doping give you anyway? Are we talking a few seconds, minutes, hours, or how do you measure this sort of thing?


It depends. In some things, not much, in others? A ton. There's one climb on a stage that shows up on the Tour de France pretty regularly and it's a really tough climb. This year the fastest time from start to finish of the climb was in the ball park of abut 54 minutes. Armstrong at one point did the climb in 46 minutes. And starting in the mind 90s the time for the climb started going down awful fast, far faster than one would expect simply from improved training and bicycles. And then a few years back the times shot right back up. The improvement in times in the mid to late 90s was a greater improvement than had been seen in the previous 20 years, a time where the design and construction of racing bicycles advanced by leaps and bounds and training was also much improved. And there were cyclists who had no business doing the climb in 52 or 53 minutes doing it that fast. When riders who aren't seen as particularly good climbers are finishing one of the toughest climbs on the Tour faster than previous riders who were seen as exceptional climbers, yeah something is up.
 
2012-10-22 09:10:34 AM  

Obama4Life: Nobody could win 7 consecutive Titles without a little outside help.


Which is why they should investigate Michael Schumacher. He must have been injecting nitrous oxide into his engine.

/derp
 
2012-10-22 09:10:36 AM  

markfara: That was always my impression of him, too. In interviews I've seen with him, he's just always seemed like kind of an arrogant dick.

/He dumped Cheryl as soon as she announced she had breast cancer.
//Stay classy, Lance.


Not quite. She wanted to marry and have kids right away, and Lance Armstrong wasn't particularly inclined to that.

You may accuse him of being a douche for not getting married agains his wishes, but breast cancer had nothign to do with it.
 
2012-10-22 09:10:46 AM  
Whatever.

maggoo: I've remember when the french cycling federation accused Lance Armstrong for using performance-enhancing drugs, a horde of americans quickly came up with a bunch of conspiracy theories and repeatedly insulted France.

Now the US anti-doping agency points out the exact same conclusions and I hear no apology being given to France and the french.


DIAF surrender monkeys... You too maggoo.
 
2012-10-22 09:10:49 AM  
I guess the saddest part is that the sport and the Tour will be hurt the most. It's like finding out Michael Jordan cheated and then was stripped of his titles.

//From what I understand, Cycling during this period was like Major League Baseball in the 90's.
 
2012-10-22 09:11:07 AM  
If you prick us, do we not bleed?

if you tickle us, do we not laugh?

if you poison us, do we not die?

.....and if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
 
2012-10-22 09:11:15 AM  
FTFA: "The agency said 20 of the 21 riders on the podium in the Tour from 1999 through 2005 have been "directly tied to likely doping through admissions, sanctions, public investigations" or other means. It added that of the 45 riders on the podium between 1996 and 2010, 36 were by cyclists "similarly tainted by doping.""

So, Lance was just a more sophisticated and shady cheater and somehow worse. Sounds like all professional cyclists are cheating coonts.

From the looks of it, any Farker here would just need to show up and complete the race. It could take you weeks. But you'd be the only person who didn't dope, and you'd win.
 
2012-10-22 09:11:27 AM  
And now I wonder if I'm the only one who feels consistent about this issue. In the mid 2000's I thought "Bullshiat he "passed his doping test"... You don't go from having ball cancer to winning the TDF in the space of 18 months without a little help. And people have been beating doping tests for 20 years now. You know, since the inception of doping tests. Anyone who believes this is a gullible idiot.

...

However, who cares if he was doping? His EXCLUSIVE purpose in life is to entertain us with astonishing acts of athletic prowess. He used those drugs to raise money for cancer, for himself, for his sport, for his team. I couldn't be bothered to be outraged when the first wave of accusations came out (and I believed them), and I can't be bothered now.
 
2012-10-22 09:11:52 AM  

kregh99: destrip: How can they accuse him of cheating if he never failed a doping test?

And we're done.
(not really, but we should be.)

All of the evidence is circumstantial at best. Guilt by association is not evidence. If he used, I'm all for stripping his titles. But come up with better evidence than disgruntled non-winners and "because he was around other users, he must have used" crap.


Here is a list of all the non-circumstantial and non-hearsay evidence against Armstrong:

end
 
2012-10-22 09:12:05 AM  
Why ban Armstrong for life, but give Floyd Landis and Contador a comparative break?
 
2012-10-22 09:12:38 AM  

maggoo: markfara: That was always my impression of him, too. In interviews I've seen with him, he's just always seemed like kind of an arrogant dick.

/He dumped Cheryl as soon as she announced she had breast cancer.
//Stay classy, Lance.

Not quite. She wanted to marry and have kids right away, and Lance Armstrong wasn't particularly inclined to that.

You may accuse him of being a douche for not getting married agains his wishes, but breast cancer had nothign to do with it.


I thought he was a douche for initially dropping his wife so he could pork an ageing pop singer. I'm shocked she didn't reveal any stories about having to be her ex's dope mule.
 
2012-10-22 09:12:41 AM  

lohphat: drewsclues: earthwirm: In before the Lance haters.... Oh. Too late. Everyone hates a winner.

There's a a lot of smug whining in this thread. I glad you all attribute such high morals to riding a goddam bicycle. Get over it. Winners take every advantage and bend every rule. If you you're not cheating, you're not trying. Period.

You sound Conservative.


Liberal as they come. I just don't think sports matter enough in the world to get all pissed when someone bends to rules to their advantage. Don't want to get pissed when people make money off cheating at sports? Stop paying billions to the people that play the games. Simple as that.
 
2012-10-22 09:13:47 AM  
Jesus. At this point, just let them dope. Or have it as one of the ways to win: a doping and a non-doping medal. They already have a mountain winner, a time winner, a points winner, a young winner, a most agressive winner, and a winning team. Just ad a "doping winner".
 
2012-10-22 09:14:45 AM  
Most of them devolving to other people convicted of steroid use.
 
2012-10-22 09:15:25 AM  
Liestrong
 
2012-10-22 09:15:28 AM  

To The Escape Zeppelin!: The medals will go to racers who's doping hasn't been caught yet.


Exactly why they're leaving the victories blank.
 
2012-10-22 09:15:32 AM  
So they finally burned their witch.

And all the newts rejoiced

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2012-10-22 09:15:59 AM  

Obama4Life: Two...MAYBE 3 Titles I can buy. B


Miguel Indurain won 5 in a row and there's no real cloud over him. Then again he won his last tour in 95, that would be the tour when times for various stages starting go all sorts of crazy though it started happening already the year before.
 
kab
2012-10-22 09:16:39 AM  
And the powers that be continue their trend of diminishing the relevance of the worlds most prestigious bike race.

Good job.
 
2012-10-22 09:17:22 AM  

maggoo: I've remember when the french cycling federation accused Lance Armstrong for using performance-enhancing drugs, a horde of americans quickly came up with a bunch of conspiracy theories and repeatedly insulted France.

Now the US anti-doping agency points out the exact same conclusions and I hear no apology being given to France and the french.


Je suis désolé.
 
2012-10-22 09:17:54 AM  

kab: And the powers that be continue their trend of diminishing the relevance of the worlds most prestigious bike race.

Good job.


Clearly, this is the work of the reverse vampires.
 
2012-10-22 09:19:22 AM  
I quit paying attention to sports "heros" a number of years ago. They all cut corners to get where they are and any attention paid is time wasted.

That said, I always wondered how he managed to do it after his treatment. I wonder if that was fake, too?
 
2012-10-22 09:20:34 AM  

Obama4Life: Nobody could win 7 consecutive Titles without a little outside help.


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Unless of course the event is exactly the same or very close to the same thing over and over again.

/thinks there's too many olympic swimming events.
//Doesn't consider Phelps having more than 2 or 3 gold medals at most.
 
2012-10-22 09:21:03 AM  

kregh99: destrip: How can they accuse him of cheating if he never failed a doping test?

And we're done.
(not really, but we should be.)

All of the evidence is circumstantial at best. Guilt by association is not evidence. If he used, I'm all for stripping his titles. But come up with better evidence than disgruntled non-winners and "because he was around other users, he must have used" crap.


There's quite a few witnesses who were on his own cycling team who also testified against him, 11 of them apparently. These aren't a few disgruntled losers, they're his team mates, and the number of them testifying against him would make it a pretty unlikely conspiracy.
 
2012-10-22 09:21:43 AM  

EyeballKid: Skarekrough: However no one gave a crap about cycling before him and no one will likely give a crap about the sport after him.

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3 time Tour de France winner and former Taco Bell pitchman Greg Lemond may beg to differ. Just because you yourself don't remember something doesn't mean it didn't hapen.


Don't forget "bike builder".

Love my Lemond
 
2012-10-22 09:21:46 AM  
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2012-10-22 09:22:05 AM  

Molavian: What a f*cking liar. I knew that damn testicular cancer thing was a cover-up! He had one of his balls surgically removed to be a more competitive cyclist! His junk could then all flop to the same side when biking, allowing him to sprint more easily than those with both testicles!!

!!!!


Would you call a cyclist with one ball a Unicycler?
 
2012-10-22 09:23:14 AM  
None of these revelations are of much suprise to most of the cyclists I know. Most didn't know what a jerk he was though until reading the affidavits on the USADA website.

Zabriskie's, in particular, is pretty sickening.
 
2012-10-22 09:23:30 AM  

TheVeryDeadIanMartin: So how much of an edge does doping give you anyway? Are we talking a few seconds, minutes, hours, or how do you measure this sort of thing?


EPO will improve performance by about 5% which is the difference between the middle of the tour de france and no one has ever heard of you to winning it.
 
2012-10-22 09:23:46 AM  
GIS "Lance Armstrong ripped"

That's why he won
 
2012-10-22 09:24:08 AM  

jchic: Okay, so this means that they are 100% sure that everyone else is clean and Lance was the only cheater right? Right?

Yea, that's what I thought.


Both sides are bad, so vote (R)mstrong.
 
2012-10-22 09:24:26 AM  

EyeballKid: 3 time Tour de France winner and former Taco Bell pitchman Greg Lemond may beg to differ.


Who?
 
2012-10-22 09:25:14 AM  
I don't get the uproar. All elite-level athletes should be allowed to use whatever drugs they want, there's a fine line between legal supplements and banned drugs (caffeine and ADHD medications are banned at the college level, for instance, and half the shiat I take for recreational lifting is legal but on the WADA list).
 
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