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(Slate)   Forty years ago, a bunch of feminists released a landmark album. They wanted to change ... everything   (slate.com) divider line 72
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2012-10-22 09:34:53 AM
Well, it's good to see chicks trying to make music.
You know, broads deserve equability.
 
2012-10-22 09:35:34 AM
...Oh, and equality, too.
 
2012-10-22 09:35:55 AM
What? like the curtains? Throw pillows on the couch? Which cabinet they kept the dishes in?
 
2012-10-22 09:36:12 AM
BINDERS FULL OF SOMETHING OR OTHER. Ok that wasn't very funny but I wanted to make sure someone referenced this obscure meme. Also CHUCK NORRIS
 
2012-10-22 09:37:04 AM
Subs their websites says the form in 1978??

www.gogos.com
 
2012-10-22 09:38:58 AM
Oh sweet Jesus, I hate that album even as a kid. My younger brother loved it, however, and my mother played it for him constantly.
 
2012-10-22 09:39:52 AM
They can do what they like once my sammich is made!!
 
2012-10-22 09:40:18 AM

Wellon Dowd: Oh sweet Jesus, I hate that album even as a kid. My younger brother loved it, however, and my mother played it for him constantly.


It's all right to cry, parents are people too.
 
2012-10-22 09:43:13 AM

LineNoise: What? like the curtains? Throw pillows on the couch? Which cabinet they kept the dishes in?


The phone is off the hook
But you are not....for a comment like that.
 
2012-10-22 09:43:25 AM
Hmmm... I was born in 1979 and grew up in a house where my parents looked after young children for over 20 years... and I have never heard of this. Odd.
 
2012-10-22 09:43:30 AM

doczoidberg: Well, it's good to see chicks trying to make music.
You know, broads deserve equability.


As long as they get the housework done and food cooked who cares?

The writer sounds fat and gay.
 
2012-10-22 09:44:26 AM
Leftists, in an attempt to demonstrate that they're not like those Soviet Socialist people, have started your children on propaganda before they can walk.
 
2012-10-22 09:45:51 AM
*clicks*
Oh, THAT girl.
 
2012-10-22 09:48:50 AM
(spins Wheel of Misogynistic Comments People Will Take To Seriously, lands on...)

Next thing you know, they'll wanna vote,.
 
2012-10-22 09:49:34 AM
Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?
 
2012-10-22 09:50:33 AM

sodomizer: Leftists, in an attempt to demonstrate that they're not like those Soviet Socialist people, have started your children on propaganda before they can walk.


You need to loosen that tin-foil hat, dude. It's obviously a work of J. Edgar Hoover and his trying to turn little boys into girls.
 
2012-10-22 09:51:05 AM
And nothing was changed, but thanks for helping out on the album Alan Alda.
 
2012-10-22 09:51:48 AM

2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?


Because we're a farking democratic republic you monarchist swine!
 
2012-10-22 09:53:10 AM
But chicks do have freedom. You know, flexible hours so they can go home and cook dinner.
 
2012-10-22 09:53:18 AM
What ever happened to that stalker of hers? Did the feds ever catch Donald Hollinger?
 
2012-10-22 09:53:29 AM
Did you see the part where in the phone interview he admitted that his daughter wore Disney princess pjs to bed and Gloria steinem was not amused, but not mean? what the hell is that all about? it's pjs for farks sake.
 
2012-10-22 09:55:07 AM
The book, by New Yorker cartoonist Whitney Darrow, Jr., was likely intended as satire, but the satire was so dry it was entirely lost on Auntie Marlo.

The whole thing was sparked by her inability to get a joke?
 
2012-10-22 09:55:27 AM

5monkeys: Did you see the part where in the phone interview he admitted that his daughter wore Disney princess pjs to bed and Gloria steinem was not amused, but not mean? what the hell is that all about? it's pjs for farks sake.


Is everyone supposed to be amused by Disney princess pjs?
 
2012-10-22 09:56:02 AM
What I want to know is: why do men have such Christawful taste in alcohol? Grey Goose is not "the best vodka." Grey Goose tastes like water. If I wanted water, then I would ask you for a glass of water. Vodka should hurt.
 
2012-10-22 09:57:14 AM
a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com
 
2012-10-22 09:57:28 AM

The Beatings Will Continue Until Morale Improves: But chicks do have freedom. You know, flexible hours so they can go home and cook dinner.


Essential IF we're going to have them in the workforce.
 
2012-10-22 09:58:28 AM

Harry Freakstorm: What ever happened to that stalker of hers? Did the feds ever catch Donald Hollinger?


www.sitcomsonline.com
 
2012-10-22 09:58:35 AM
a lot of name dropping there. no one had the SCUM Manifesto book on tape?

a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

hotlink
 
2012-10-22 09:59:36 AM

someonelse: 5monkeys: Did you see the part where in the phone interview he admitted that his daughter wore Disney princess pjs to bed and Gloria steinem was not amused, but not mean? what the hell is that all about? it's pjs for farks sake.

Is everyone supposed to be amused by Disney princess pjs?


I didn't know we were supposed to have an opinion at all on kids pjs. If they fit, are comfortable, and aren't likely to light up like a fireball then they are ok by me.
 
2012-10-22 09:59:45 AM
laist.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-22 10:03:37 AM
...and it paved the way for today's female musicians. In a record store, I paused and only slowly passed the Tegan and Sara albums instead of rushing right by.
Listened to Free to Be, etc... more than I care to admit.
 
2012-10-22 10:03:39 AM

2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?


Not the point-- it's fine to want to be a princess. It sucks if that's your default option because no one ever gives you an option of what else is available.

In kiddie culture, the "possible" is a pretty big deal. We had "Free to Be" in my home, along with "The Paper Bag Princess."

When the teachers at school saw me at playtime with a doll and a stethoscope, and tell me I was a very good nurse, I would politely correct them, "No, I'm a very good doctor."
 
2012-10-22 10:07:03 AM
 
2012-10-22 10:09:17 AM
www.prospectmx.com
 
2012-10-22 10:10:24 AM
a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

www.brooklynvegan.com


www.thunderrow.com 

image.pollstar.com
 
2012-10-22 10:15:17 AM
www.kidplanetblog.com
 
2012-10-22 10:15:46 AM
I had this album when I was a kid, my mom bought it for me. My dad hated it, though, and we could only listen to it when he wasn't at home. Twenty-five years later, he cringes over my little boy wanting a play kitchen for Christmas, but he bought it anyway. Progress, I guess!
 
2012-10-22 10:16:10 AM

LineNoise: What? like the curtains? Throw pillows on the couch? Which cabinet they kept the dishes in?


Sounds like someone's still a little pissed that he wasn't invited to Judy Chicago's dinner party.
 
2012-10-22 10:18:06 AM

2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?


Because there is a shortage of wealthy princes available to rascal them and take them awry, and most of those are douchebags who will abandon them with no assets or job skills once they've had a kid or two. Because being a princess means being useless and not knowing how to take care of youself--princesses don't do icky things like change oil or balance checking accounts. Because every princess lives on the backs of at least 10,000 serfs. Because the world is too damn full of princess wannabes already.
 
2012-10-22 10:21:43 AM

i_got_no_strings: I had this album when I was a kid, my mom bought it for me. My dad hated it, though, and we could only listen to it when he wasn't at home. Twenty-five years later, he cringes over my little boy wanting a play kitchen for Christmas, but he bought it anyway. Progress, I guess!


Just remind him that once you're getting paid for it and famous, the kitchen is a man's place.
 
2012-10-22 10:23:26 AM

doczoidberg: Well, it's good to see chicks trying to make music.
You know, broads deserve equability.


Hey, I like the word equability..... it sounds like a portmanteau of equality and ability.
 
2012-10-22 10:24:32 AM

Nightsweat: 2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?

Because we're a farking democratic republic you monarchist swine!


Thanks for the feedback folks. I think I liked this one best though.
 
2012-10-22 10:32:35 AM
We used to listen to that album a lot in music class.
 
I really enjoyed that article.  I never really gave it much thought but come to think of it even as a child I felt that that music kind of reflected my gender worldview pretty accurately.
 
 
I definately didn't think about what went into making the album.  Thanks whoever submitted that.
 
2012-10-22 10:37:34 AM
Guess it worked. My 12 year old son and friends are going to go as ML ponies...he chose Fluttershy. His dad (my ex) tried like hell to get him to change his mind, but he stuck to it and spent last night applying pink butterflies to a pair of yellow shorts he found at Goodwill. I have been enlisted as Derpy Hooves (I made paper bag footies while the shorts were being worked on). We also spent the majority of our crafting time talking about some chick named Emily he digs. It seems to really confuse his dad, that dress doesn't indicate sexual preference anymore, and everything is so fluid (can't think of a better term). As I live in the south, on the buckle of the bible belt...I find myself amazed and almost envious of how free these kids are. My little bro would have gotten his ass kicked for doing this. At school and at home. I told my kid so...it's important they know how far we've come...it seems that we are in danger of backsliding a lot these days.
 
2012-10-22 10:41:00 AM

brap: We used to listen to that album a lot in music class.
 
I really enjoyed that article.  I never really gave it much thought but come to think of it even as a child I felt that that music kind of reflected my gender worldview pretty accurately.
 
 
I definately didn't think about what went into making the album.  Thanks whoever submitted that.


Ditto to this. I'm really amazed it got made. And ditto to thanking Subby.
 
2012-10-22 10:50:35 AM

rogue_L_chick: Guess it worked. My 12 year old son and friends are going to go as ML ponies...he chose Fluttershy. His dad (my ex) tried like hell to get him to change his mind, but he stuck to it and spent last night applying pink butterflies to a pair of yellow shorts he found at Goodwill. I have been enlisted as Derpy Hooves (I made paper bag footies while the shorts were being worked on). We also spent the majority of our crafting time talking about some chick named Emily he digs. It seems to really confuse his dad, that dress doesn't indicate sexual preference anymore, and everything is so fluid (can't think of a better term). As I live in the south, on the buckle of the bible belt...I find myself amazed and almost envious of how free these kids are. My little bro would have gotten his ass kicked for doing this. At school and at home. I told my kid so...it's important they know how far we've come...it seems that we are in danger of backsliding a lot these days.


This brings little tears to my eyes-- hope your son has a great time!

I think the thing that scares people like your ex more than anything else is that it actually might not be a big deal... That the world will not end... And that their lives may have been less rich by n
 
2012-10-22 10:51:31 AM

Polyhazard: rogue_L_chick: Guess it worked. My 12 year old son and friends are going to go as ML ponies...he chose Fluttershy. His dad (my ex) tried like hell to get him to change his mind, but he stuck to it and spent last night applying pink butterflies to a pair of yellow shorts he found at Goodwill. I have been enlisted as Derpy Hooves (I made paper bag footies while the shorts were being worked on). We also spent the majority of our crafting time talking about some chick named Emily he digs. It seems to really confuse his dad, that dress doesn't indicate sexual preference anymore, and everything is so fluid (can't think of a better term). As I live in the south, on the buckle of the bible belt...I find myself amazed and almost envious of how free these kids are. My little bro would have gotten his ass kicked for doing this. At school and at home. I told my kid so...it's important they know how far we've come...it seems that we are in danger of backsliding a lot these days.

This brings little tears to my eyes-- hope your son has a great time!

I think the thing that scares people like your ex more than anything else is that it actually might not be a big deal... That the world will not end... And that their lives may have been less rich by n


Er... Not realizing sooner.

/coffee
 
2012-10-22 10:52:20 AM
The early 70's feminist trifecta:

Free To Be: You and Me
Our Bodies, Ourselves
Tapestry (Carole King)
 
2012-10-22 10:57:12 AM

rogue_L_chick: Guess it worked. My 12 year old son and friends are going to go as ML ponies...he chose Fluttershy. His dad (my ex) tried like hell to get him to change his mind, but he stuck to it and spent last night applying pink butterflies to a pair of yellow shorts he found at Goodwill. I have been enlisted as Derpy Hooves (I made paper bag footies while the shorts were being worked on). We also spent the majority of our crafting time talking about some chick named Emily he digs. It seems to really confuse his dad, that dress doesn't indicate sexual preference anymore, and everything is so fluid (can't think of a better term). As I live in the south, on the buckle of the bible belt...I find myself amazed and almost envious of how free these kids are. My little bro would have gotten his ass kicked for doing this. At school and at home. I told my kid so...it's important they know how far we've come...it seems that we are in danger of backsliding a lot these days.


This. So much this. My son had his toe-nails done for a spa-day at his daycare a few months back, and I was pretty envious. Not to the degree that I went out and bought my own, but enough that I thought about how it would have caused scandal if it had been me as a child.
 
2012-10-22 10:58:32 AM
Fantastic album. My first introduction to Mel Brooks.
 
2012-10-22 11:07:24 AM

rogue_L_chick: It seems to really confuse his dad, that dress doesn't indicate sexual preference anymore, and everything is so fluid (can't think of a better term).


You know, Elvis used to dress like a Liberace impersonator. It didn't seem to hurt his popularity with the ladies.
 
2012-10-22 11:17:12 AM
For a variety of reasons, I am no longer so enamored of Feminism, but I still love, and will always love,

That Girl.
 
2012-10-22 11:39:38 AM
My mom bought that album.

The same year she divorced my dad.

//Free to be / me and me.
// She was woman, hear her roar, kick my daddy out the door.

catmandu: The early 70's feminist trifecta:

Free To Be: You and Me
Our Bodies, Ourselves
Tapestry (Carole King)


You forgot:

Helen Reddy / I am Woman.

Mom had that one, she had the Free to Be album too.

Both were pretty scary radical stuff in small town midwest early 70s.

So was getting the kids to testify to 'mental cruelty' so you could justify getting a divorce.
 
2012-10-22 11:44:35 AM

TehBoognish: What feminists making music sounds like now

/love those girls


HAWT
 
2012-10-22 11:45:44 AM
I had no idea this was a feminist manifesto. I remember it as just a record with catchy songs and funny stories we listened to at school occasionally.

Then again, I was like 5, so what the hell did I know.
 
M-G
2012-10-22 12:01:59 PM
In my day, we watched this on 16mm film....

I suppose the indoctrination worked, since I can still remember the chorus for the song about crying.

And now I have a daughter who loves her princess stuff, but loves to find bugs, and a son who loves his cars, but likes to get his toenails painted.
 
2012-10-22 12:51:02 PM
FTA:"The first records I remember playing on the hi-fi in our family room were the John Denver and the Muppets Christmas album, Jackson Browne's Running on Empty, and a 45 of "Pac-Man Fever" by Buckner & Garcia. But the first record that I remember being mine was a hand-me-down copy of Free To Be ... You and Me."

WOW your parents taste in music blows. I remember Sgt. Pepper, Crime of the Century, and Briefcase Full of Blues being among the first records I played as a child in the 70s.
 
2012-10-22 01:09:07 PM

Nightsweat: 2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?

Because we're a farking democratic republic you monarchist swine!


LOL. +1
 
2012-10-22 01:21:42 PM
Having boys who paint their toenails is great and all, but when they grow up and cry in front of their wife and act all emotional and their wife has a headache every night...well....We'll see how free they feel to be that way.

(Take that '70s marxist ideologies...yeah)
 
2012-10-22 01:24:49 PM

42nate: FTA:"The first records I remember playing on the hi-fi in our family room were the John Denver and the Muppets Christmas album, Jackson Browne's Running on Empty, and a 45 of "Pac-Man Fever" by Buckner & Garcia. But the first record that I remember being mine was a hand-me-down copy of Free To Be ... You and Me."

WOW your parents taste in music blows. I remember Sgt. Pepper, Crime of the Century, and Briefcase Full of Blues being among the first records I played as a child in the 70s.


If you don't enjoy the Muppets/John Denver Christmas album, you are dead inside.
 
2012-10-22 01:51:26 PM
Why do so many women complain about their salaries? I mean, the average woman makes $0.74 for every dollar that man makes. They should be happy that they are making that much money. It is about $0.49 more than they deserve.

/Just kidding!
 
2012-10-22 02:29:48 PM

2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?


Seriously though, it seems to me that girls are free to be whomever they want - as long as their aspirations are on the feminists' approved list. Anything that seems traditional or domestic is forbidden. Disney princesses are pretty, "classically" feminine, and not only like men but actively seek one. This of course is unacceptable.

What's so stupid about this is that in their rush to provide girls with the "correct" indoctrination, feminists ignore the fact that early childhood is a time of magic thinking, where fantasy and reality intermix. A little girl might enjoy imagining herself as a princess in a castle or a damsel in distress, but it doesn't mean anything. She just enjoys being the dramatic center of attention.

It's no different than a little boy imagining he is a dinosaur tamer or blowing up the Deathstar. No one assumes that is going to be his life-long career plan.

In the case of my own daughter, when she was little she loved Disney princess stuff. She watched the movies and asked for the dresses for her birthday. She had a great time. Now that she has attainted the venerable age of 8, she considers Disney princesses "babyish" and wants nothing to do with them.

Today she loves science and wants to be an astronomer or a biologist when she grows up. She also loves singing, soccer, dancing and pretty dresses. I try to support all her interests, and I'm glad she doesn't feel constrained by what others (including feminists) think she should like.
 
2012-10-22 02:42:45 PM
graphics8.nytimes.com
While we're here.
 
2012-10-22 03:10:03 PM

pciszek: 2 Hookers and an 8 Ball: Maybe I'm missing something here, but twice in that article they seemed to say that if a girl wanted to a be a princess, that's a bad thing. Why?

Because there is a shortage of wealthy princes available to rascal them and take them awry, and most of those are douchebags who will abandon them with no assets or job skills once they've had a kid or two. Because being a princess means being useless and not knowing how to take care of youself--princesses don't do icky things like change oil or balance checking accounts. Because every princess lives on the backs of at least 10,000 serfs. Because the world is too damn full of princess wannabes already.


Funny, y'know sometimes Beasts make a good prince for Beauty/Belle... the problem is we're in a society that seems to rewards douches. Next time girls, you want to find a nerd with a shy disposition, and marry them. Unless they are a frog that becomes a prince, they're there for life.
 
2012-10-22 03:13:49 PM
Paving the way for this, the most important album released in 1977...

www.strangecosmos.com
 
2012-10-22 03:40:28 PM

People_are_Idiots: Funny, y'know sometimes Beasts make a good prince for Beauty/Belle... the problem is we're in a society that seems to rewards douches. Next time girls, you want to find a nerd with a shy disposition, and marry them. Unless they are a frog that becomes a prince, they're there for life.


yeah. You can walk ALL over that schmuck for the rest of your life.
 
2012-10-22 03:46:52 PM

JustTheTip: It's no different than a little boy imagining he is a dinosaur tamer or blowing up the Deathstar.


Except it's very different. Taming a dinosaur or blowing up the Deathstar are actively doing something. A princess is a princess because of who she marries or who her parents are, not about anything she accomplishes. Of course there's nothing wrong with fantasizing about a castle and pretty clothes. But you really, really don't want your daughter to define herself solely by her inherited wealth or her choice of partner.
 
2012-10-22 03:54:15 PM

fireclown: People_are_Idiots: Funny, y'know sometimes Beasts make a good prince for Beauty/Belle... the problem is we're in a society that seems to rewards douches. Next time girls, you want to find a nerd with a shy disposition, and marry them. Unless they are a frog that becomes a prince, they're there for life.

yeah. You can walk ALL over that schmuck for the rest of your life.


Better to do the walking. At least a nerd who's shy can easily be "trained." A macho misogynist "hunk" can't.
 
2012-10-22 04:03:45 PM
Bulls on Parade?
 
2012-10-22 04:32:50 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-22 04:59:26 PM
came here for leapin lesbians album pic, leaving satisfied..

/lickity split~
 
2012-10-23 01:44:14 AM
Well. Learn something new every day. Also nice to read an article that uses real, whole words and proper grammar. Not to mention that there is actual information in the article.

Subby I commend you on the find.
 
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