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2012-10-22 01:08:18 PM

Dr Dreidel: what_now: You know, the binders full of women wasn't the most offensive part of his sentence.

The most offensive part was how he said that he let his female employees leave early to cook dinner, the second most offensive part was when he admitted that after 25 years of business experience he didn't know a single qualified woman.

The binders full of women? That's just poor phrasing from a hopelessly out of touch moron.

Didn't Obama's answer basically say the same thing? That women needed flexibility in their work hours as some measure of "equality"?


No. His answer was significantly different:

And it makes a difference in terms of how well and effectively women are able to work. When we talk about child care and the credits that we're providing, that makes a difference in terms of whether they can go out there and earn a living for their family. These are not just women's issues. These are family issues. These are economic issues.

See how Obama took the sexism out of the discussion? In Obama's answer, he talked specifically about women's issues, Lilly Ledbetter, contraception and planned parenthood for mammograms and cervical cancer screenings. When discussing child care, that was a family issue.

What we've lost is the most important part (I think) of Romney's answer, what it lacked - policy. What, from his answer, will Mitt Romney do for women? He'll find a binder and make his cabinet half women. Will he enact any legislation or any policies specifically? No. He proposed no policies. Indeed he opposes Lilly Ledbetter. But he'll totally hire some himself and presumably hope other companies do so as well if they choose and if not, well whatevs.
 
2012-10-22 01:15:26 PM

Jackson Herring: James!: The grim spectre of death is after their base.

Also the grim spectre of Tupac Shakur


And the ghost of Christmas past.
 
2012-10-22 01:17:06 PM

Dr Dreidel: what_now: You know, the binders full of women wasn't the most offensive part of his sentence.

The most offensive part was how he said that he let his female employees leave early to cook dinner, the second most offensive part was when he admitted that after 25 years of business experience he didn't know a single qualified woman.

The binders full of women? That's just poor phrasing from a hopelessly out of touch moron.

Didn't Obama's answer basically say the same thing? That women needed flexibility in their work hours as some measure of "equality"?

Philip Francis Queeg: soy_bomb: what_now: The most offensive part was how he said that he let his female employees leave early to cook dinner

Absolutely, those kids should have starved while mom was at work.

It is sad that fathers are physically incapable of cooking.

If my own dad is a standard case, it is absolutely sad.

// got a doctorate in Chem, but can't follow a food recipe to save his life
// although from what I hear, he was half a disaster in the lab, too


Obama spent most of his time talking about signing the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which expands the timeframe women can sue due to discreminatory compmensation (it was 6 months from the pay date, now that 6 month timeframe resets each time they receive the discreminatory rate). Romney's campaign can't seem to decide if they support it or not; they are saying they would not repeal it, but put out about 4 statements in the 24 hours after the debate saying they opposed it, supported it, did not take a position on it, and finally that they opposed the bill for unnamed riders that were unrelated to the pay equality portions of the bill.
 
2012-10-22 01:24:59 PM

Vodka Zombie: Progress is a bad thing?


When you have to accept non-WASPs as human beings, yes.
 
2012-10-22 01:27:33 PM

lennavan: No. His answer was significantly different:

"And it makes a difference in terms of how well and effectively women are able to work. When we talk about child care and the credits that we're providing, that makes a difference in terms of whether they can go out there and earn a living for their family. These are not just women's issues. These are family issues. These are economic issues."

See how Obama took the sexism out of the discussion? In Obama's answer, he talked specifically about women's issues, Lilly Ledbetter, contraception and planned parenthood for mammograms and cervical cancer screenings. When discussing child care, that was a family issue.

I agree somewhat, I just remember (from real-time watching the debates) that Obama's answer sounded almost as pander-y as Mitt's. The first half of the part you quoted may have stuck more in my mind.

What we've lost is the most important part (I think) of Romney's answer, what it lacked - policy. What, from his answer, will Mitt Romney do for women? He'll find a binder and make his cabinet half women. Will he enact any legislation or any policies specifically? No. He proposed no policies. Indeed he opposes Lilly Ledbetter. But he'll totally hire some himself and presumably hope other companies do so as well if they choose and if not, well whatevs.

Which does seem (ironically) consistent with the GOP's "equality of inputs, not outcomes" philosophy. If a woman wants a job, she can submit her name in our "Womens' Binder". We take 20 names each from that and the "Qualified Applicants' Mens' Binder", do interviews with 10 from each. Then we hire whoever the fark we want to. The policy will take care of itself.

// assuming no actual people are involved in hiring
// or they remove names and identifying info from the CVs - which is how they should handle hiring anyway

 
2012-10-22 01:27:53 PM
I thought "binders full of women" was an amusing gaffe and didn't see any hidden meaning in it. The flex-time comment was poorly stated, but is a policy that women's rights advocates support.

I did think Romney's "don't worry little ladies, I'll create so many jobs that companies will even have to hire you" was bizarre and out of touch.
 
2012-10-22 01:36:04 PM

Dr Dreidel: // or they remove names and identifying info from the CVs - which is how they should handle hiring anyway


I don't actually agree with this. The most important part of my interview when I hire people is how well I think they will get along with everyone else and how social I think they will be (because if they aren't, they won't ask questions and that never works out well). That requires me to meet and chat with them. It has worked out great so far.
 
2012-10-22 01:44:12 PM

lennavan: Dr Dreidel: // or they remove names and identifying info from the CVs - which is how they should handle hiring anyway

I don't actually agree with this. The most important part of my interview when I hire people is how well I think they will get along with everyone else and how social I think they will be (because if they aren't, they won't ask questions and that never works out well). That requires me to meet and chat with them. It has worked out great so far.


Use my suggestion for the HR parts (where you filter out who gets the interviews), then. IIRC, EOE rules only apply to people you consider, not who you actually hire (or am I thinking of the NFL/MLB's "diversity" rules?), so you can make the first cuts based solely on paper appeal, and not subtle factors like "this guy's got a funny name, probably don't speak English too good".

// assuming "speaking English good" is not a major part of the job duties
// like to be a SysAdmin or something
 
2012-10-22 01:47:07 PM

Dr Dreidel: Use my suggestion for the HR parts (where you filter out who gets the interviews), then.


Meh, I don't have a filter. Everyone gets an interview. The only person I ever denied an interview was because she changed the interview date/time on me three times before I said forget it. Actually the way it turns out, I hire way more women than men. Then again, way more women apply.

Dr Dreidel: IIRC, EOE rules only apply to people you consider, not who you actually hire (or am I thinking of the NFL/MLB's "diversity" rules?),


I have no idea. Maybe I should know this...
 
2012-10-22 05:52:05 PM

PC LOAD LETTER: Republic politicians think women should be virgins until marriage and only have sex to reproduce.


Or when the guy demands it.
 
2012-10-22 08:04:07 PM
That headline is a trainwreck. A train full of butthurt and a train full of desperation in a head-on collision.
 
2012-10-22 08:04:16 PM

ArkPanda: Mantour: [atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com image 600x369] 


Who came up with that logo in the first place anyway? How could anyone see that and not think of Uncle Sam taking a shiat?


i.imgur.com
 
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