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2012-10-22 11:30:59 AM  

wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.


If you can harness steam power to run a locomotive, you can harness steam power to run a car or boat.
Hell, even the Professor had a car that ran on coconuts on Gilligan's Island.
 
2012-10-22 11:33:22 AM  

VoodooTaco: I hope Suzanne Collins gets her royalties for this blatant Hunger Games ripoff.

Attractive teenage brunette + arrow launching device = profit?

/WHAR hot chicks rocking morning stars, WHAR!


In some places I've seen the character referred to as Blandniss.
 
2012-10-22 11:37:22 AM  

wippit: Not yet. Although Google-boy now knows it most be man-made, since the little chip device the guy made in the pilot can cancel the effect within a short radius and gets electronics to work. It's faily obvious there's some sort of global EMP-field being generated.


Maybe it's a duonetic field. Better call up O'Brien to fix it.
 
2012-10-22 11:41:56 AM  

NeoCortex42: wippit: Not yet. Although Google-boy now knows it most be man-made, since the little chip device the guy made in the pilot can cancel the effect within a short radius and gets electronics to work. It's faily obvious there's some sort of global EMP-field being generated.

Maybe it's a duonetic field. Better call up O'Brien to fix it.


And here I was just thinking.... "Eyes in the dark. One moon circles."
 
2012-10-22 11:42:56 AM  
No WAY was Terranova better than Revolution. Now the premise, maybe, but the execution is way better in Revolution.
I'm not saying Revolution is the best television show running or even that it is excellent but it is decent, fine for what it is and ok sci-if filler tv.
Terranova on the other hand was a mess from the second episode. By the 5th I hoped that everyone on the show would suffer a horrible death. If I want angst in my sci-fi I'll watch the CW thanks.
I do like Last Resort, especially the XO's wife. She is tough and I like that she is fighting the "guys in the back suburban" instead of falling into place like a normal weepy television wife.
I have noticed that there are a lot of "strong" women characters this season, the "anti-where's Carl? Lori"
 
2012-10-22 11:46:20 AM  

Wellon Dowd: VoodooTaco: ......

In some places I've seen the character referred to as Blandniss.


That's pretty farking funny actually. I'll be thinking that now everytime I see one of those goddammned commercials.
 
2012-10-22 11:51:13 AM  

propasaurus: Oh, and the whole damned show can't be about finding the lost brother. Let him go, man, he's gone. Move on. He'll either find his way back on his own or not.

Bigger fish to fry. Well, if oil still burns.


He's clearly not gone. Not sure what you're getting at.

From what they're seeding now, looking like we're heading for both a search for the 12 necklaces (and that looks like a big mistake, telling us we're in for a long WOW grind quest), as well as the beginning of gathering a resistance army.
 
2012-10-22 11:52:56 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


Quick summary of Revolution. All the characters under the age of 35 suck. All of them. Meanwhile, the 35+ and older characters are pretty fun to watch storywise and actingwise. Luckily, there are enough 35+ characters to keep the show entertaining. Especially Giancarlo Esposito's Neville who is shaping up to be an interesting villain.
 
2012-10-22 11:53:56 AM  

NeoCortex42: wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.

I stopped watching after the pilot episode, but have they said at all why electricity isn't working? Do they even have a semi-plausible technobabble excuse?


My best guess is that there is some sort of jamming signal that stops electricity, those necklace things negate that jamming signal. Don't most car engines have some sort of electrical components?

Back in the cold war the US detonated a nuke that COULD HAVE destroyed the Van Allen Belt, but didn't. My guess this was some sort of army test that went horribly wrong or it was only supposed to only effect the middle east or china. Which is why they had the necklace prototypes at the university.

I just enjoy the mindless campiness.
 
2012-10-22 11:54:44 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


I haven't watched traditional network TV in years but I did make an exception to sit down and watch the pilot episode for this some weeks back. I left feeling like it was yet another soap opera with a quasi apocalypse as the backdrop. The background concept seems rather cool and like it might have some real life to it but, yet again, network TV gets its mitts on it and it turns to shiat. It's like what happened with Lost. Interesting premise with lots of room to run...they use it as an excuse to craft a soap opera out of it.

And by soap opera I mean that the entire show is nothing more than people talking about other people and their emotions and their betrayals and blablafarkingbla. If another network like AMC had done it, it'd likely be a fantastic show. As it is...meh.
 
2012-10-22 11:59:17 AM  

Hebalo: propasaurus: Oh, and the whole damned show can't be about finding the lost brother. Let him go, man, he's gone. Move on. He'll either find his way back on his own or not.

Bigger fish to fry. Well, if oil still burns.

He's clearly not gone. Not sure what you're getting at.

From what they're seeding now, looking like we're heading for both a search for the 12 necklaces (and that looks like a big mistake, telling us we're in for a long WOW grind quest), as well as the beginning of gathering a resistance army.


Isn't revolution supposed to have a video game MMO tie-in?
 
2012-10-22 12:00:44 PM  

mekki: OtherBrotherDarryl: Especially Giancarlo Esposito's Neville who is shaping up to be an interesting villain.


He reminds me of bounty hunter Jubal Early from Firefly. Does that seem right to you?
 
2012-10-22 12:05:38 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: FeedTheCollapse: The DBS: I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.



I'm amazed that no one seems to like the show, yet it was picked up for a full season. I get the feeling that Sci-Fi fans are so hard up for Sci-Fi that they'll attach themselves to anything delegated as Sci-Fi, regardless of quality.



I should also point out I think the same thing about The Walking Dead. For as much excitement as I hear about new episodes, I hear nothing but biatching from everyone who's supposedly a fan.


Oh, I don't know. I never did read the series so I have no idea (aside from some vague things I've heard) as to where the series should be going if its following the printed format. Now, I do know one of the actors (kid that plays Carl) and ran into his mom in the grocery store over the summer and she told me she liked the direction the show appears to be going and that it does have quite a few twists to it.

I didn't see what happened to Herschel coming, didn't so much as not see the machete scene coming as squaring it to Rick's new course/attitude.
 
2012-10-22 12:07:14 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


Everything about the show seems to have been covered already in this thread. My boyfriend is actually the one who's gotten hooked on it though (the girl may or may not have anything to do with it). I'm resorting to spoilers to keep myself interested in the future episodes. I was ready to give it all up during the slow third episode, and i told him then that if they didn't get to telling me what was going on with the power, i'd be so done. Then the amulet kicked on so i gave it a little bit longer and now they've had an explosion and the bad guy touched one but they still haven't explained the power problem.

Last week when we found out there were 12 of them i suddenly realized the whole set up is like video game style. They're going to be running little missions, chasing down *this* person or *this* amulet or *that* item and then they'll meet a *boss* and ultimately, as Uncle Hotness said, he'll "have to walk to Philadelphia and kill his best friend." It a mission driven plot. Now that i've figured that out I can hang in for the rest of the season at least.
 
2012-10-22 12:09:54 PM  

wippit: mekki: OtherBrotherDarryl: Especially Giancarlo Esposito's Neville who is shaping up to be an interesting villain.

He reminds me of bounty hunter Jubal Early from Firefly. Does that seem right to you?


I was thinking more of a Darth Vader type character. Revolution has a very strong Earth bound Star Wars vibe.
 
2012-10-22 12:10:15 PM  

Keigh: OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.

Everything about the show seems to have been covered already in this thread. My boyfriend is actually the one who's gotten hooked on it though (the girl may or may not have anything to do with it). I'm resorting to spoilers to keep myself interested in the future episodes. I was ready to give it all up during the slow third episode, and i told him then that if they didn't get to telling me what was going on with the power, i'd be so done. Then the amulet kicked on so i gave it a little bit longer and now they've had an explosion and the bad guy touched one but they still haven't explained the power problem.

Last week when we found out there were 12 of them i suddenly realized the whole set up is like video game style. They're going to be running little missions, chasing down *this* person or *this* amulet or *that* item and then they'll meet a *boss* and ultimately, as Uncle Hotness said, he'll "have to walk to Philadelphia and kill his best friend." It a mission driven plot. Now that i've figured that out I can hang in for the rest of the season at least.


Heh...this immediately popped into my head:
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2012-10-22 12:15:15 PM  

Wellon Dowd: wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.

Why does the human nervous system still function?


Because its a TV show.
 
2012-10-22 12:32:09 PM  

clkeagle: A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.


Firmly disagree with almost everything you said here. While there are similarities to the Stirling novels, Revolution isn't in any based on them.

The Character flashback thing in this case is the "Lost " style narrative, which adds to the storytelling. It allows the writers to place you in the middle of the action, to get you engaged in what's happening, while using the flashbacks to bring more depth to the characters.

It doesn't always work, or work well, but it can be really effective. Eposito's character had a great flashback last week, which added a lot to who he is, and gave us a surprise about one of the other characters.

Revolution hasn't overwhelmed yet, but it's early days. Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.
 
2012-10-22 12:37:11 PM  

Hebalo: Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.


I've acutally found a new trend in the last few years. The first season of a show absolutely rocks, and then it crashes season two when TV Execs go "Oh! This show is popular!". Happened with Walking Dead. Hell, it happened with Glee, which was actually watchable Season 1.
 
2012-10-22 12:56:54 PM  
The inconsistencies in the story and the HORRIBLE acting are killing me. I think I'm only hanging in there for Neville and the Google Guy. I'm only 3 episodes in but his recounting of being bullied, then being king of the world, and now back to square one when the power went out was realistic and humanizing. And Jeremy's an interesting character--has good strategy sense for an utter coward. And hell, it's Mark Pellegrino--I'll watch him.

But if the show gets any more stupid (everything's too damn CLEAN. For oh-so-scary militia, they can't fight hand-to-hand worth a damn. And why haven't the nuclear power plants melted down??) I'm giving up. The teasers showed us a drama that was set in a fairly realistic future--there's no power, we don't know why, there's no gov't, and we're just struggling to survive. Maybe we can find someone to get the power back on... Okay, I'll buy into that--show me what happens. Instead, we get a mish-mosh of flashbacks, episodes that focus on the mission of the moment, and just really bad acting.

And everything I read about the show tells me the network execs are watching all the good shows out there, tweaking Revolution's story to try to capture that viewer market. Hey, dumbasses--maybe those shows are doing better simply because they're just good shows! If you have to play catch-up, you don't have a good foundation or don't believe in it strongly enough to let it capture its market organically.

/Walking Dead is an outlier. By all rights, it should never have seen a 3rd season, the 2nd was soooo awful.
//The only reason it got a second shot is because AMC lost Mad Men. Now, TWD has its budget back, a fact that the writers and make-up artists seem to be using to its full extent.
 
2012-10-22 01:03:17 PM  

Hebalo: surprise about one of the other characters


you mean "not nate?" that surprised you? we called it in the storm cellar.
 
2012-10-22 01:10:52 PM  

wippit: Hebalo: Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.

I've acutally found a new trend in the last few years. The first season of a show absolutely rocks, and then it crashes season two when TV Execs go "Oh! This show is popular!". Happened with Walking Dead. Hell, it happened with Glee, which was actually watchable Season 1.


Season 1 of TNG sucked because there was a writer's strike after only 2 or 3 episodes were in the can. They had to go through the old TOS and even Phase 1 scripts and use them.

As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget. Then they kicked out Darabont. And we had 8 episodes of them hanging around on the farm, looking for freakin' Sophia. Even die-hard fans of the comic (myself included) were hard-pressed to hang in there, the show had gotten so stupid and worthless. Then, when Mad Men's producers decided not to return, AMC gave TWD their full attention and the last 2 episodes of that season friggin' ROCKED. And we're only 2 episodes into the new season and they haven't turned down the volume. We're at the prison and it looks like we'll be at Woodbury next episode. Meanwhile--zombies and blood everywhere!
 
2012-10-22 01:24:59 PM  
...so I'll just keep with watching sports and Game of Thrones then...sigh...
 
2012-10-22 01:25:02 PM  

Keigh: Hebalo: surprise about one of the other characters

you mean "not nate?" that surprised you? we called it in the storm cellar.


You're a much better television watcher than I am.
 
2012-10-22 01:28:37 PM  

brigid_fitch: As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget.


What's TWD?
 
2012-10-22 01:34:56 PM  
Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW
 
2012-10-22 01:45:21 PM  

Hebalo: Keigh: Hebalo: surprise about one of the other characters

you mean "not nate?" that surprised you? we called it in the storm cellar.

You're a much better television watcher than I am.


that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.
 
2012-10-22 02:20:20 PM  

Keigh: that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.


Almost always. And when they show that character it's usually only once and for a very short time so you'll forget about them. Castle also follows this trend.
 
2012-10-22 02:23:05 PM  

Koggie: Keigh: that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.

Almost always. And when they show that character it's usually only once and for a very short time so you'll forget about them. Castle also follows this trend.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-22 02:23:10 PM  

brigid_fitch: wippit: Hebalo: Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.

I've acutally found a new trend in the last few years. The first season of a show absolutely rocks, and then it crashes season two when TV Execs go "Oh! This show is popular!". Happened with Walking Dead. Hell, it happened with Glee, which was actually watchable Season 1.

Season 1 of TNG sucked because there was a writer's strike after only 2 or 3 episodes were in the can. They had to go through the old TOS and even Phase 1 scripts and use them.

As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget. Then they kicked out Darabont. And we had 8 episodes of them hanging around on the farm, looking for freakin' Sophia. Even die-hard fans of the comic (myself included) were hard-pressed to hang in there, the show had gotten so stupid and worthless. Then, when Mad Men's producers decided not to return, AMC gave TWD their full attention and the last 2 episodes of that season friggin' ROCKED. And we're only 2 episodes into the new season and they haven't turned down the volume. We're at the prison and it looks like we'll be at Woodbury next episode. Meanwhile--zombies and blood everywhere!


I really don't understand the hate for season 2. I've read all the comics released so far, and really had no problem with the pacing of season 2. Ya sure they've changed some characters and their storylines around, but I never found season 2 "boring". I'm glad its just not hack and slash zombies every episode. I'm glad they dove into topics like giving refugees shelter, whether or not walkers can be saved via medicinal intervention, how a man of faith deals with zombies, justice and stuff like that.

I watched season 2 once it was over in a marathon session so that could very well affect my opinion, but even if I watched week to week, I can't see myself being upset with the pacing and storylines.
 
2012-10-22 02:24:54 PM  

Koggie: Keigh: that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.

Almost always. And when they show that character it's usually only once and for a very short time so you'll forget about them. Castle also follows this trend.


all i have to say is, ice delivery guy.

MoronLessOff: upload.wikimedia.org


jinkies
 
2012-10-22 02:33:45 PM  
I really want to like Revolution, but it just hasn't grabbed met yet. I thought the first episode was decent enough, but it's been downhill from there. It's not as bad as Alcatraz mind you, but it's nowhere near as good as Lost was.

I think the thing that bothers me most about the show is that they keep trying to re-enforce this idea that they have no technology by making it seems like they're living in Civil War times. It's idiotic though because while I understand they might be using some technologies from that time, they wouldn't all of a sudden have furniture from the 1800's. Hell even their clothes, at least the uniforms, look like Civil War costumes. It's ridiculous. It basically looks like there's some modern looking people that found themselves in the 1800's. it looks cheap and out of place, and it doesn't make any sense.
 
2012-10-22 02:49:34 PM  

PillsHere: I really want to like Revolution, but it just hasn't grabbed met yet. I thought the first episode was decent enough, but it's been downhill from there. It's not as bad as Alcatraz mind you, but it's nowhere near as good as Lost was.


I liked Alcatraz and thought it was getting pretty good. I think the problem is the same that a lot of other serialized sci-fi shows have had to deal with. In order to get the show on the air in the first place, they have to make it start off very episodic, mostly ignore any larger mythology, and possibly tone down the sci-fi aspects of it. Alcratraz, Dollhouse, and Fringe started out very episodic. It wasn't until the greater serial nature was explored that they started to get good. Fortunately Fringe was somehow able to keep getting renewed, in spite of it being on Fox.
 
2012-10-22 02:59:34 PM  

Hebalo: clkeagle: A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.

Firmly disagree with almost everything you said here. While there are similarities to the Stirling novels, Revolution isn't in any based on them.

The Character flashback thing in this case is the "Lost " style narrative, which adds to the storytelling. It allows the writers to place you in the middle of the action, to get you engaged in what's happening, while using the flashbacks to bring more depth to the characters.

It doesn't always work, or work well, but it can be really effective. Eposito's character had a great flashback last week, which added a lot to who he is, and gave us a surprise about one of the other characters.

Revolution hasn't overwhelmed yet, but it's early days. Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.


Funny, as soon as I saw Esposito's character's flashback, my first thought was 'oh, he's this story's version of John Locke.'
 
2012-10-22 03:04:34 PM  

CaptainCampbell: Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW


I'm really enjoying Arrow. I hope it keeps up.
 
2012-10-22 03:04:45 PM  

czei: Revolution is a great premise, but it aspires only to be average old-world network TV. Compared to something on cable, like Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead, Revolution is ridiculously low-budget: the camera work is boring, the acting is mediocre, the sets are cheap, and the writing is what you'd expect when you hand a network writer hack an outline and give him/her a 2 week deadline.


I was really excited for Revolution, but checked out after episode 3. It probably didn't help that I was in the middle of watching Game of Thrones through for the first time, marathon style, and the massive difference of quality between the two was distressing.

The worst part for me was when the "rebels" started flashing US flags everywhere, claiming that they want to "bring America back!" You can't. Even if you could reunify the geographic area and find enough people to form a central government, it still wouldn't be the same America. Do you want to be out from under the thumb of a tyrannical militia? Fine, but say that. I couldn't find it in myself to care about their goal because it was nothing more than a poorly thought out patriotic wankfest.
 
2012-10-22 03:05:26 PM  

TimeWaste: CaptainCampbell: Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW

I'm really enjoying Arrow. I hope it keeps up.


I feel dirty for enjoying Elementary.

/Cumberbatch is better.
 
2012-10-22 03:12:23 PM  

czei: brigid_fitch: As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget.

What's TWD?


The Walking Dead
 
2012-10-22 03:17:01 PM  

NeoCortex42: The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.

It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.


Actually, that's almost the way Heroes was supposed to work. Not each episode but each season was supposed to be a different story arc with completely different characters. Killing Sylar should have been the end of the story and the next season would have started w/a whole new cast with different powers and a new storyline. But the network execs hung onto the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing they decided to keep the cast, enlarge the story, and bring in more characters. Then it got too unwieldy and just downright stupid.
 
2012-10-22 03:20:43 PM  

brigid_fitch: NeoCortex42: The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.

It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.

Actually, that's almost the way Heroes was supposed to work. Not each episode but each season was supposed to be a different story arc with completely different characters. Killing Sylar should have been the end of the story and the next season would have started w/a whole new cast with different powers and a new storyline. But the network execs hung onto the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing they decided to keep the cast, enlarge the story, and bring in more characters. Then it got too unwieldy and just downright stupid.


Yep, and it's a shame the show wasn't able to progress as it was originally planned. Since they wanted to keep the same characters around indefinitely, they had to constantly deal with the power creep of Hiro and Sylar.
 
2012-10-22 03:44:43 PM  

Hebalo: clkeagle: A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.

Firmly disagree with almost everything you said here. While there are similarities to the Stirling novels, Revolution isn't in any based on them.

The Character flashback thing in this case is the "Lost " style narrative, which adds to the storytelling. It allows the writers to place you in the middle of the action, to get you engaged in what's happening, while using the flashbacks to bring more depth to the characters.

It doesn't always work, or work well, but it can be really effective. Eposito's character had a great flashback last week, which added a lot to who he is, and gave us a surprise about one of the other characters.

Revolution hasn't overwhelmed yet, but it's early days. Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.


Huh? There's as much connection between Emberverse and Revolution as there is between Kiln People and Surrogates. Just because it's poorly done doesn't make it any less of a cheap copy.
 
2012-10-22 04:09:37 PM  
But Huntress hasn't shown up on Arrow yet!
 
2012-10-22 04:15:46 PM  
Not enough greek goddess in heah ...

www.revolution-show.com

www.revolution-show.com
 
2012-10-22 04:16:59 PM  
Bring back The Event and Jericho.
 
2012-10-22 04:21:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: PillsHere: I really want to like Revolution, but it just hasn't grabbed met yet. I thought the first episode was decent enough, but it's been downhill from there. It's not as bad as Alcatraz mind you, but it's nowhere near as good as Lost was.

I liked Alcatraz and thought it was getting pretty good. I think the problem is the same that a lot of other serialized sci-fi shows have had to deal with. In order to get the show on the air in the first place, they have to make it start off very episodic, mostly ignore any larger mythology, and possibly tone down the sci-fi aspects of it. Alcratraz, Dollhouse, and Fringe started out very episodic. It wasn't until the greater serial nature was explored that they started to get good. Fortunately Fringe was somehow able to keep getting renewed, in spite of it being on Fox.


That's what bothered me about Alcatraz, it was very episodic with a tired baddie-of-the-week format. They went with the very wrong approach there. Stopped watching by the 5th episode.
 
2012-10-22 04:23:46 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Girion47: Revolution sucks. It's really really bad, like Syfy could do better than this shiat.

/she isn't hot, she has dead eyes.

Like a doll's eyes.

[i.imgur.com image 628x434]


That wouldn't bother me heck, she wouldn't see my face for an hour.
 
2012-10-22 04:25:27 PM  

nocturn: Huh? There's as much connection between Emberverse and Revolution as there is between Kiln People and Surrogates. Just because it's poorly done doesn't make it any less of a cheap copy.


I have no idea what your comparison means, as I don't know either Kiln People or Surrogates. But I have seen Revolution, and read the first couple of the Emberverse books (all I could take, they're a bit crappy).

The basic premise is the same "Lights Go Out", but that's really about the end of the direct comparison, as far as I can see. Stirling is hardly the first to come up with that concept. I fail to see how that makes Revolution a "cheap copy".
 
2012-10-22 04:29:43 PM  

brigid_fitch: NeoCortex42: The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.

It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.

Actually, that's almost the way Heroes was supposed to work. Not each episode but each season was supposed to be a different story arc with completely different characters. Killing Sylar should have been the end of the story and the next season would have started w/a whole new cast with different powers and a new storyline. But the network execs hung onto the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing they decided to keep the cast, enlarge the story, and bring in more characters. Then it got too unwieldy and just downright stupid.


Exactly right. The big thrill of Heroes for me was watching someone new discovering his power and coming to terms with it. That can't happen if you're recycling existing characters and plots. It should've followed 24's format by limiting to single season story arcs.
 
2012-10-22 04:32:16 PM  
ok, and you know what else bothers me about Revolution? The St. Louis Arch is torn in half. Seriously?? i mean, i get the "things get broken in the apocalypse" premise but that thing is made of stainless steel. and the broken section is over 600 feet high. I briefly considered that maybe they had to cut people out of it but, it has stairs. it's 50 years old already, so 15 years of not running the trams is not going to degrade it.

maybe it got hit by a plane but then the whole thing would be flattened, not sticking up into the air in two pieces.
 
2012-10-22 04:39:18 PM  
Revolution is perfectly fine.

Grumpy people will be grumpy. Go back to paying 10 bucks a month for your shows instead of getting them fro free.
 
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