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2012-10-22 09:46:17 AM  
Hot chicks who can't act.
 
2012-10-22 09:48:23 AM  
Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.
 
2012-10-22 09:52:51 AM  
That show is lame.
 
2012-10-22 09:53:31 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


Some like it but I'm getting tired of watching it, just doesn't grab me
 
2012-10-22 09:53:48 AM  
A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.
 
2012-10-22 09:58:15 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


There are too many things that make it difficult to suspend disbelief.

1. Why does everyone look like they just stepped out of the Gap?

2. What happened? It appears that electrical current won't flow. They can get a steam locomotive to work but apparently not any internal combustion engines, even simple ones that only require a spark plug. If electrons won't flow, why are there electrical storms and why does the human nervous system still work?

3. Why has the bad guy been holding Elizabeth Mitchell prisoner for a decade if she hasn't talked up to this point?

4. Why do the bad guys only attack one at at time so Miles can dispatch each with his sword?

5. Why did they imply Elizabeth Mitchell had been tortured but in the next scene she looked fine?

6. Why was Elizabeth Mitchell standing in front of a brightly lit window while wearing a diaphanous blouse? And how do her bras still have enough elastic in them after 15 years to perform as admirably as they do?

7. How does everyone keep getting punched in the face, especially the brother, and never have any bruises.
 
2012-10-22 09:59:11 AM  
It's really a pretty bad show...

Extremely hokey sword fights without blood and suffering...one slash to the stomach or back and the bad guy goes down immediately and quietly, without any of the realistc wailing that would take place if you'd just disembowled a guy.

And stupid "Lost" type concept of electricity coming in only pendant type amulet charm things...that turn on at mysterious, seemingly uncontrolled times.
And, the fact that there's 12 of them spread out over god knows where.

I'd say solid acting by Gus Fring and Rita's ex from Dexter...and maybe from Slashy McFast...whoever the lead bad-ass good guy is...and whoever runs the army, Munson or whatever his name is...they pretty much hold the show together. The chicks are nice to look at, I guess...Jeff Fahey showing up last week was pretty cool...but overall, everyone else sucks!

Still giving it a chance cuz there's nothing else better to watch on Mondays except Market Warriors and Miller Gaffney's totally hot long legs...and luckily for Revolution, they don't come on at the same time!
 
2012-10-22 10:03:58 AM  
Revolution is a great premise, but it aspires only to be average old-world network TV. Compared to something on cable, like Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead, Revolution is ridiculously low-budget: the camera work is boring, the acting is mediocre, the sets are cheap, and the writing is what you'd expect when you hand a network writer hack an outline and give him/her a 2 week deadline.
 
2012-10-22 10:04:08 AM  
when does game of thrones start back up
 
2012-10-22 10:09:52 AM  

ltdanman44: when does game of thrones start back up


End of March
 
2012-10-22 10:10:52 AM  
Revolution is to The Postman like Terra Nova is to Jurassic Park. I'll just leave it at that.

/still watch it, the wife likes it
 
2012-10-22 10:11:32 AM  

Wellon Dowd: OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.

There are too many things that make it difficult to suspend disbelief.


I want to know why the beard guy (wife tells me it's supposed to be the founder of a fiction-world Google?) is still chunky after 15 years of medieval living.

And bull-farking-shiat any of that would happen anyway. You can't tell me somewhere in a dusty file cabinet in the Pentagon there isn't this exact scenario. For that matter, they should have it anyway, just in case of some sort of EMP or cosmic ray event that would do close to the same thing.
 
2012-10-22 10:18:12 AM  
You don't have a full grown tree coming up through interstate pavement in 15 years.
 
2012-10-22 10:18:29 AM  
man, Jack Donaghy is going to be soooo pissed...
 
2012-10-22 10:21:27 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: man, Jack Donaghy is going to be soooo pissed...


There are no bad ideas Lemon, only great ideas that go horribly wrong.
 
2012-10-22 10:25:03 AM  
Revolution sucks. It's really really bad, like Syfy could do better than this shiat.

/she isn't hot, she has dead eyes.
 
2012-10-22 10:28:59 AM  

delathi: You don't have a full grown tree coming up through interstate pavement in 15 years.


In IL? They have to repave that shiat every 6 months or you will have a tree growing through the center.
Cheap materials = Job security
 
2012-10-22 10:31:15 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


There's a Cracked article about the 10 worst things on TV this year. 9 of them are from Revolution.
 
2012-10-22 10:34:17 AM  

Girion47: Revolution sucks. It's really really bad, like Syfy could do better than this shiat.

/she isn't hot, she has dead eyes.


Like a doll's eyes.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-10-22 10:35:52 AM  
Did I miss an episode of Mythbusters?
 
2012-10-22 10:37:32 AM  
I like the show even though I think they didn't think the idea all the way through.
 
2012-10-22 10:47:20 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Girion47: Revolution sucks. It's really really bad, like Syfy could do better than this shiat.

/she isn't hot, she has dead eyes.

Like a doll's eyes.

[i.imgur.com image 628x434]


oooo sexy beaver teeth and plumber's crack going on.
 
2012-10-22 10:49:56 AM  

Rawhead Rex: It's really a pretty bad show...

Extremely hokey sword fights without blood and suffering...one slash to the stomach or back and the bad guy goes down immediately and quietly, without any of the realistc wailing that would take place if you'd just disembowled a guy.

And stupid "Lost" type concept of electricity coming in only pendant type amulet charm things...that turn on at mysterious, seemingly uncontrolled times.
And, the fact that there's 12 of them spread out over god knows where.

I'd say solid acting by Gus Fring and Rita's ex from Dexter...and maybe from Slashy McFast...whoever the lead bad-ass good guy is...and whoever runs the army, Munson or whatever his name is...they pretty much hold the show together. The chicks are nice to look at, I guess...Jeff Fahey showing up last week was pretty cool...but overall, everyone else sucks!

Still giving it a chance cuz there's nothing else better to watch on Mondays except Market Warriors and Miller Gaffney's totally hot long legs...and luckily for Revolution, they don't come on at the same time!


Too bad she relies on her hot legs and baby talk to make deals.
 
2012-10-22 10:50:30 AM  
With DVRs and the internet there is no excuse to keep watching shows you barely like.
 
2012-10-22 10:54:05 AM  
It is a good story poorly told.
 
2012-10-22 10:56:43 AM  
So all the networks are racing to the bottom and NBC has managed to gain a bit here and there but mostly not fall as fast as the others. Good job to all networks!!!
 
2012-10-22 10:59:02 AM  
I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.
 
2012-10-22 11:00:48 AM  

The DBS: I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.


I'm amazed that no one seems to like the show, yet it was picked up for a full season. I get the feeling that Sci-Fi fans are so hard up for Sci-Fi that they'll attach themselves to anything delegated as Sci-Fi, regardless of quality.
 
2012-10-22 11:03:03 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


It's delightfully cliche. I do love the nerdy google exec and I think the universe is interesting. I also love the actor that plays Neville.

However, it's WAYYYY too similar to star wars, seriously. Charlie = Luke, Miles = Han Solo, etc.
 
2012-10-22 11:03:08 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: The DBS: I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.

I'm amazed that no one seems to like the show, yet it was picked up for a full season. I get the feeling that Sci-Fi fans are so hard up for Sci-Fi that they'll attach themselves to anything delegated as Sci-Fi, regardless of quality.


I should also point out I think the same thing about The Walking Dead. For as much excitement as I hear about new episodes, I hear nothing but biatching from everyone who's supposedly a fan.
 
2012-10-22 11:03:15 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: The DBS: I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.

I'm amazed that no one seems to like the show, yet it was picked up for a full season. I get the feeling that Sci-Fi fans are so hard up for Sci-Fi that they'll attach themselves to anything delegated as Sci-Fi, regardless of quality.


If a network wanted to make quality sci-fi and for cheap, all they'd have to do is make a TV version of 1632. Finding a rural town in WV and occasionally throwing swords and bad swedish actors at it wouldn't be that expensive.
 
2012-10-22 11:07:01 AM  
Revolution is a terrible show. I gave it three episodes but there is nothing of value there. However, this from TFA makes up for it:

The greatest threat in the battle for younger viewers is the continuing appeal of top cable dramas. AMC's "The Walking Dead" smashed everything else on television in drawing young viewers for its premiere last week. Other cable series this fall, like "Sons of Anarchy" and "American Horror Story" on FX, are attracting more coveted young viewers than many network shows.

Mr. Greenblatt said every network had noticed the numbers posted by "The Walking Dead."

"I'm scrambling around to see if we have anything high-concept like that in development," he said.


Maybe networks will stop shoveling so much reality TV at us and we can get some watchable shows from them.
 
2012-10-22 11:08:51 AM  

wippit: Revolution is to The Postman like Terra Nova is to Jurassic Park. I'll just leave it at that.

/still watch it, the wife likes it


Oh come on now, Terra Nova was better than Revolution.
 
2012-10-22 11:11:16 AM  
I'll start watching when Merklin calls the Spectral Knights and Darkling Lords to his mountan to recharge their Power Staffs.
 
2012-10-22 11:13:09 AM  
I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.
 
2012-10-22 11:15:49 AM  

Solon Isonomia: wippit: Revolution is to The Postman like Terra Nova is to Jurassic Park. I'll just leave it at that.

/still watch it, the wife likes it

Oh come on now, Terra Nova was better than Revolution.


I agree, actually. I had some high hopes for Season 2. Alas...
 
2012-10-22 11:16:56 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I should also point out I think the same thing about The Walking Dead. For as much excitement as I hear about new episodes, I hear nothing but biatching from everyone who's supposedly a fan.


That's because The Walking Dead is always capable of turning around on a dime. Just look at how bad most of last season was at the farm, then it had a great finale and has started off doing great this season. All the pieces were there, they just needed good episode-to-episode scripts.

Shows like Revolution, Terra Nova, FlashForward, and The Event were a mess from the start and needed a lot more than a single good script to turn around. They were too obsessed with being "the next Lost" to worry about making a quality show.
 
2012-10-22 11:18:11 AM  

The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.


It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.
 
2012-10-22 11:18:23 AM  

FeedTheCollapse: I should also point out I think the same thing about The Walking Dead. For as much excitement as I hear about new episodes, I hear nothing but biatching from everyone who's supposedly a fan.


The first two episode from Season 3 took all of Season 2, ripped out its throat, ate its heard, watched it go zombie, and then BOOM! Head shot!

/like a machete to a convicted felon's head.
 
2012-10-22 11:20:53 AM  
I get the feeling with Revolution that the writers don't have any idea where the story is going. They don't know from one week to the next what's going to happen.
The mother is dead, now she's alive. The girl never met her uncle, but she remembers how he used to be. Militia boy is good/bad/good. Some things work, some things don't. There are no working engines... except for the goddam train.

It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?
 
2012-10-22 11:23:07 AM  

wippit: FeedTheCollapse: I should also point out I think the same thing about The Walking Dead. For as much excitement as I hear about new episodes, I hear nothing but biatching from everyone who's supposedly a fan.

The first two episode from Season 3 took all of Season 2, ripped out its throat, ate its heard, watched it go zombie, and then BOOM! Head shot!

/like a machete to a convicted felon's head.


I guess, though I still contend that Sci-Fi fans are much more willing to wade through utter shiat in the hopes that it will eventually be of better quality. Hell, most of the people I know of were biatching since the first season.

/personally, I just really don't give a shiat about Zombies. If you've seen the first 3 Living Dead films,you have seen pretty much every iteration of the Zombie trope out there. I thought the effects in Walking Dead were great, but the main story was cliche and/or uninteresting.
 
2012-10-22 11:23:25 AM  

propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?


Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.
 
2012-10-22 11:24:15 AM  
I'm still wondering what the long-term plan for Last Resort is. I'm liking it so far (ignoring the obvious military inaccuracies), but it still feels like it would be a great mini-series. I don't see yet how it could go on for several seasons and remain interesting.
 
2012-10-22 11:25:45 AM  

wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.


Why does the human nervous system still function?
 
2012-10-22 11:26:36 AM  

wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.


I stopped watching after the pilot episode, but have they said at all why electricity isn't working? Do they even have a semi-plausible technobabble excuse?
 
2012-10-22 11:27:14 AM  
Oh, and the whole damned show can't be about finding the lost brother. Let him go, man, he's gone. Move on. He'll either find his way back on his own or not.

Bigger fish to fry. Well, if oil still burns.
 
2012-10-22 11:29:03 AM  

NeoCortex42: wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.

I stopped watching after the pilot episode, but have they said at all why electricity isn't working? Do they even have a semi-plausible technobabble excuse?


Not one I've heard.
I mean, get the post-apocalypse Ben Franklin out there with a kite already.
 
2012-10-22 11:30:07 AM  

Wellon Dowd: Why does the human nervous system still function?


I don't know enough about bio-electricity to make a guess. But everything I've seen says an EMP won't hurt people, so the same reason.

NeoCortex42: I stopped watching after the pilot episode, but have they said at all why electricity isn't working? Do they even have a semi-plausible technobabble excuse?


Not yet. Although Google-boy now knows it most be man-made, since the little chip device the guy made in the pilot can cancel the effect within a short radius and gets electronics to work. It's faily obvious there's some sort of global EMP-field being generated.
 
2012-10-22 11:30:41 AM  
I hope Suzanne Collins gets her royalties for this blatant Hunger Games ripoff.

Attractive teenage brunette + arrow launching device = profit?

/WHAR hot chicks rocking morning stars, WHAR!
 
2012-10-22 11:30:42 AM  
Heh, I said faily obvious. :)
 
2012-10-22 11:30:59 AM  

wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.


If you can harness steam power to run a locomotive, you can harness steam power to run a car or boat.
Hell, even the Professor had a car that ran on coconuts on Gilligan's Island.
 
2012-10-22 11:33:22 AM  

VoodooTaco: I hope Suzanne Collins gets her royalties for this blatant Hunger Games ripoff.

Attractive teenage brunette + arrow launching device = profit?

/WHAR hot chicks rocking morning stars, WHAR!


In some places I've seen the character referred to as Blandniss.
 
2012-10-22 11:37:22 AM  

wippit: Not yet. Although Google-boy now knows it most be man-made, since the little chip device the guy made in the pilot can cancel the effect within a short radius and gets electronics to work. It's faily obvious there's some sort of global EMP-field being generated.


Maybe it's a duonetic field. Better call up O'Brien to fix it.
 
2012-10-22 11:41:56 AM  

NeoCortex42: wippit: Not yet. Although Google-boy now knows it most be man-made, since the little chip device the guy made in the pilot can cancel the effect within a short radius and gets electronics to work. It's faily obvious there's some sort of global EMP-field being generated.

Maybe it's a duonetic field. Better call up O'Brien to fix it.


And here I was just thinking.... "Eyes in the dark. One moon circles."
 
2012-10-22 11:42:56 AM  
No WAY was Terranova better than Revolution. Now the premise, maybe, but the execution is way better in Revolution.
I'm not saying Revolution is the best television show running or even that it is excellent but it is decent, fine for what it is and ok sci-if filler tv.
Terranova on the other hand was a mess from the second episode. By the 5th I hoped that everyone on the show would suffer a horrible death. If I want angst in my sci-fi I'll watch the CW thanks.
I do like Last Resort, especially the XO's wife. She is tough and I like that she is fighting the "guys in the back suburban" instead of falling into place like a normal weepy television wife.
I have noticed that there are a lot of "strong" women characters this season, the "anti-where's Carl? Lori"
 
2012-10-22 11:46:20 AM  

Wellon Dowd: VoodooTaco: ......

In some places I've seen the character referred to as Blandniss.


That's pretty farking funny actually. I'll be thinking that now everytime I see one of those goddammned commercials.
 
2012-10-22 11:51:13 AM  

propasaurus: Oh, and the whole damned show can't be about finding the lost brother. Let him go, man, he's gone. Move on. He'll either find his way back on his own or not.

Bigger fish to fry. Well, if oil still burns.


He's clearly not gone. Not sure what you're getting at.

From what they're seeding now, looking like we're heading for both a search for the 12 necklaces (and that looks like a big mistake, telling us we're in for a long WOW grind quest), as well as the beginning of gathering a resistance army.
 
2012-10-22 11:52:56 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


Quick summary of Revolution. All the characters under the age of 35 suck. All of them. Meanwhile, the 35+ and older characters are pretty fun to watch storywise and actingwise. Luckily, there are enough 35+ characters to keep the show entertaining. Especially Giancarlo Esposito's Neville who is shaping up to be an interesting villain.
 
2012-10-22 11:53:56 AM  

NeoCortex42: wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.

I stopped watching after the pilot episode, but have they said at all why electricity isn't working? Do they even have a semi-plausible technobabble excuse?


My best guess is that there is some sort of jamming signal that stops electricity, those necklace things negate that jamming signal. Don't most car engines have some sort of electrical components?

Back in the cold war the US detonated a nuke that COULD HAVE destroyed the Van Allen Belt, but didn't. My guess this was some sort of army test that went horribly wrong or it was only supposed to only effect the middle east or china. Which is why they had the necklace prototypes at the university.

I just enjoy the mindless campiness.
 
2012-10-22 11:54:44 AM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


I haven't watched traditional network TV in years but I did make an exception to sit down and watch the pilot episode for this some weeks back. I left feeling like it was yet another soap opera with a quasi apocalypse as the backdrop. The background concept seems rather cool and like it might have some real life to it but, yet again, network TV gets its mitts on it and it turns to shiat. It's like what happened with Lost. Interesting premise with lots of room to run...they use it as an excuse to craft a soap opera out of it.

And by soap opera I mean that the entire show is nothing more than people talking about other people and their emotions and their betrayals and blablafarkingbla. If another network like AMC had done it, it'd likely be a fantastic show. As it is...meh.
 
2012-10-22 11:59:17 AM  

Hebalo: propasaurus: Oh, and the whole damned show can't be about finding the lost brother. Let him go, man, he's gone. Move on. He'll either find his way back on his own or not.

Bigger fish to fry. Well, if oil still burns.

He's clearly not gone. Not sure what you're getting at.

From what they're seeding now, looking like we're heading for both a search for the 12 necklaces (and that looks like a big mistake, telling us we're in for a long WOW grind quest), as well as the beginning of gathering a resistance army.


Isn't revolution supposed to have a video game MMO tie-in?
 
2012-10-22 12:00:44 PM  

mekki: OtherBrotherDarryl: Especially Giancarlo Esposito's Neville who is shaping up to be an interesting villain.


He reminds me of bounty hunter Jubal Early from Firefly. Does that seem right to you?
 
2012-10-22 12:05:38 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: FeedTheCollapse: The DBS: I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.

I'm amazed that no one seems to like the show, yet it was picked up for a full season. I get the feeling that Sci-Fi fans are so hard up for Sci-Fi that they'll attach themselves to anything delegated as Sci-Fi, regardless of quality.

I should also point out I think the same thing about The Walking Dead. For as much excitement as I hear about new episodes, I hear nothing but biatching from everyone who's supposedly a fan.


Oh, I don't know. I never did read the series so I have no idea (aside from some vague things I've heard) as to where the series should be going if its following the printed format. Now, I do know one of the actors (kid that plays Carl) and ran into his mom in the grocery store over the summer and she told me she liked the direction the show appears to be going and that it does have quite a few twists to it.

I didn't see what happened to Herschel coming, didn't so much as not see the machete scene coming as squaring it to Rick's new course/attitude.
 
2012-10-22 12:07:14 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.


Everything about the show seems to have been covered already in this thread. My boyfriend is actually the one who's gotten hooked on it though (the girl may or may not have anything to do with it). I'm resorting to spoilers to keep myself interested in the future episodes. I was ready to give it all up during the slow third episode, and i told him then that if they didn't get to telling me what was going on with the power, i'd be so done. Then the amulet kicked on so i gave it a little bit longer and now they've had an explosion and the bad guy touched one but they still haven't explained the power problem.

Last week when we found out there were 12 of them i suddenly realized the whole set up is like video game style. They're going to be running little missions, chasing down *this* person or *this* amulet or *that* item and then they'll meet a *boss* and ultimately, as Uncle Hotness said, he'll "have to walk to Philadelphia and kill his best friend." It a mission driven plot. Now that i've figured that out I can hang in for the rest of the season at least.
 
2012-10-22 12:09:54 PM  

wippit: mekki: OtherBrotherDarryl: Especially Giancarlo Esposito's Neville who is shaping up to be an interesting villain.

He reminds me of bounty hunter Jubal Early from Firefly. Does that seem right to you?


I was thinking more of a Darth Vader type character. Revolution has a very strong Earth bound Star Wars vibe.
 
2012-10-22 12:10:15 PM  

Keigh: OtherBrotherDarryl: Is Revolution any good? From far away, it looks a lot like some other shows recently which haven't lived up to expectation.

Everything about the show seems to have been covered already in this thread. My boyfriend is actually the one who's gotten hooked on it though (the girl may or may not have anything to do with it). I'm resorting to spoilers to keep myself interested in the future episodes. I was ready to give it all up during the slow third episode, and i told him then that if they didn't get to telling me what was going on with the power, i'd be so done. Then the amulet kicked on so i gave it a little bit longer and now they've had an explosion and the bad guy touched one but they still haven't explained the power problem.

Last week when we found out there were 12 of them i suddenly realized the whole set up is like video game style. They're going to be running little missions, chasing down *this* person or *this* amulet or *that* item and then they'll meet a *boss* and ultimately, as Uncle Hotness said, he'll "have to walk to Philadelphia and kill his best friend." It a mission driven plot. Now that i've figured that out I can hang in for the rest of the season at least.


Heh...this immediately popped into my head:
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-10-22 12:15:15 PM  

Wellon Dowd: wippit: propasaurus: It has a lot of inconsistencies. Guns and bombs work, internal combustion engines do. Steam engines do, but steam turbines don't?

Anything that doesn't run on electricity works. Combustion engines won't work because of that, and while a turbine will work, it won't produce electricity.

Why does the human nervous system still function?


Because its a TV show.
 
2012-10-22 12:32:09 PM  

clkeagle: A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.


Firmly disagree with almost everything you said here. While there are similarities to the Stirling novels, Revolution isn't in any based on them.

The Character flashback thing in this case is the "Lost " style narrative, which adds to the storytelling. It allows the writers to place you in the middle of the action, to get you engaged in what's happening, while using the flashbacks to bring more depth to the characters.

It doesn't always work, or work well, but it can be really effective. Eposito's character had a great flashback last week, which added a lot to who he is, and gave us a surprise about one of the other characters.

Revolution hasn't overwhelmed yet, but it's early days. Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.
 
2012-10-22 12:37:11 PM  

Hebalo: Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.


I've acutally found a new trend in the last few years. The first season of a show absolutely rocks, and then it crashes season two when TV Execs go "Oh! This show is popular!". Happened with Walking Dead. Hell, it happened with Glee, which was actually watchable Season 1.
 
2012-10-22 12:56:54 PM  
The inconsistencies in the story and the HORRIBLE acting are killing me. I think I'm only hanging in there for Neville and the Google Guy. I'm only 3 episodes in but his recounting of being bullied, then being king of the world, and now back to square one when the power went out was realistic and humanizing. And Jeremy's an interesting character--has good strategy sense for an utter coward. And hell, it's Mark Pellegrino--I'll watch him.

But if the show gets any more stupid (everything's too damn CLEAN. For oh-so-scary militia, they can't fight hand-to-hand worth a damn. And why haven't the nuclear power plants melted down??) I'm giving up. The teasers showed us a drama that was set in a fairly realistic future--there's no power, we don't know why, there's no gov't, and we're just struggling to survive. Maybe we can find someone to get the power back on... Okay, I'll buy into that--show me what happens. Instead, we get a mish-mosh of flashbacks, episodes that focus on the mission of the moment, and just really bad acting.

And everything I read about the show tells me the network execs are watching all the good shows out there, tweaking Revolution's story to try to capture that viewer market. Hey, dumbasses--maybe those shows are doing better simply because they're just good shows! If you have to play catch-up, you don't have a good foundation or don't believe in it strongly enough to let it capture its market organically.

/Walking Dead is an outlier. By all rights, it should never have seen a 3rd season, the 2nd was soooo awful.
//The only reason it got a second shot is because AMC lost Mad Men. Now, TWD has its budget back, a fact that the writers and make-up artists seem to be using to its full extent.
 
2012-10-22 01:03:17 PM  

Hebalo: surprise about one of the other characters


you mean "not nate?" that surprised you? we called it in the storm cellar.
 
2012-10-22 01:10:52 PM  

wippit: Hebalo: Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.

I've acutally found a new trend in the last few years. The first season of a show absolutely rocks, and then it crashes season two when TV Execs go "Oh! This show is popular!". Happened with Walking Dead. Hell, it happened with Glee, which was actually watchable Season 1.


Season 1 of TNG sucked because there was a writer's strike after only 2 or 3 episodes were in the can. They had to go through the old TOS and even Phase 1 scripts and use them.

As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget. Then they kicked out Darabont. And we had 8 episodes of them hanging around on the farm, looking for freakin' Sophia. Even die-hard fans of the comic (myself included) were hard-pressed to hang in there, the show had gotten so stupid and worthless. Then, when Mad Men's producers decided not to return, AMC gave TWD their full attention and the last 2 episodes of that season friggin' ROCKED. And we're only 2 episodes into the new season and they haven't turned down the volume. We're at the prison and it looks like we'll be at Woodbury next episode. Meanwhile--zombies and blood everywhere!
 
2012-10-22 01:24:59 PM  
...so I'll just keep with watching sports and Game of Thrones then...sigh...
 
2012-10-22 01:25:02 PM  

Keigh: Hebalo: surprise about one of the other characters

you mean "not nate?" that surprised you? we called it in the storm cellar.


You're a much better television watcher than I am.
 
2012-10-22 01:28:37 PM  

brigid_fitch: As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget.


What's TWD?
 
2012-10-22 01:34:56 PM  
Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW
 
2012-10-22 01:45:21 PM  

Hebalo: Keigh: Hebalo: surprise about one of the other characters

you mean "not nate?" that surprised you? we called it in the storm cellar.

You're a much better television watcher than I am.


that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.
 
2012-10-22 02:20:20 PM  

Keigh: that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.


Almost always. And when they show that character it's usually only once and for a very short time so you'll forget about them. Castle also follows this trend.
 
2012-10-22 02:23:05 PM  

Koggie: Keigh: that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.

Almost always. And when they show that character it's usually only once and for a very short time so you'll forget about them. Castle also follows this trend.


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-10-22 02:23:10 PM  

brigid_fitch: wippit: Hebalo: Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.

I've acutally found a new trend in the last few years. The first season of a show absolutely rocks, and then it crashes season two when TV Execs go "Oh! This show is popular!". Happened with Walking Dead. Hell, it happened with Glee, which was actually watchable Season 1.

Season 1 of TNG sucked because there was a writer's strike after only 2 or 3 episodes were in the can. They had to go through the old TOS and even Phase 1 scripts and use them.

As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget. Then they kicked out Darabont. And we had 8 episodes of them hanging around on the farm, looking for freakin' Sophia. Even die-hard fans of the comic (myself included) were hard-pressed to hang in there, the show had gotten so stupid and worthless. Then, when Mad Men's producers decided not to return, AMC gave TWD their full attention and the last 2 episodes of that season friggin' ROCKED. And we're only 2 episodes into the new season and they haven't turned down the volume. We're at the prison and it looks like we'll be at Woodbury next episode. Meanwhile--zombies and blood everywhere!


I really don't understand the hate for season 2. I've read all the comics released so far, and really had no problem with the pacing of season 2. Ya sure they've changed some characters and their storylines around, but I never found season 2 "boring". I'm glad its just not hack and slash zombies every episode. I'm glad they dove into topics like giving refugees shelter, whether or not walkers can be saved via medicinal intervention, how a man of faith deals with zombies, justice and stuff like that.

I watched season 2 once it was over in a marathon session so that could very well affect my opinion, but even if I watched week to week, I can't see myself being upset with the pacing and storylines.
 
2012-10-22 02:24:54 PM  

Koggie: Keigh: that's a valid point. I've also discovered that on procedural mystery shows (ok, maybe its just Bones, which i haven't watched in over a season, but probably in other shows too) its always someone that they have already encountered in the show but didn't accuse of actual murder.

Almost always. And when they show that character it's usually only once and for a very short time so you'll forget about them. Castle also follows this trend.


all i have to say is, ice delivery guy.

MoronLessOff: upload.wikimedia.org


jinkies
 
2012-10-22 02:33:45 PM  
I really want to like Revolution, but it just hasn't grabbed met yet. I thought the first episode was decent enough, but it's been downhill from there. It's not as bad as Alcatraz mind you, but it's nowhere near as good as Lost was.

I think the thing that bothers me most about the show is that they keep trying to re-enforce this idea that they have no technology by making it seems like they're living in Civil War times. It's idiotic though because while I understand they might be using some technologies from that time, they wouldn't all of a sudden have furniture from the 1800's. Hell even their clothes, at least the uniforms, look like Civil War costumes. It's ridiculous. It basically looks like there's some modern looking people that found themselves in the 1800's. it looks cheap and out of place, and it doesn't make any sense.
 
2012-10-22 02:49:34 PM  

PillsHere: I really want to like Revolution, but it just hasn't grabbed met yet. I thought the first episode was decent enough, but it's been downhill from there. It's not as bad as Alcatraz mind you, but it's nowhere near as good as Lost was.


I liked Alcatraz and thought it was getting pretty good. I think the problem is the same that a lot of other serialized sci-fi shows have had to deal with. In order to get the show on the air in the first place, they have to make it start off very episodic, mostly ignore any larger mythology, and possibly tone down the sci-fi aspects of it. Alcratraz, Dollhouse, and Fringe started out very episodic. It wasn't until the greater serial nature was explored that they started to get good. Fortunately Fringe was somehow able to keep getting renewed, in spite of it being on Fox.
 
2012-10-22 02:59:34 PM  

Hebalo: clkeagle: A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.

Firmly disagree with almost everything you said here. While there are similarities to the Stirling novels, Revolution isn't in any based on them.

The Character flashback thing in this case is the "Lost " style narrative, which adds to the storytelling. It allows the writers to place you in the middle of the action, to get you engaged in what's happening, while using the flashbacks to bring more depth to the characters.

It doesn't always work, or work well, but it can be really effective. Eposito's character had a great flashback last week, which added a lot to who he is, and gave us a surprise about one of the other characters.

Revolution hasn't overwhelmed yet, but it's early days. Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.


Funny, as soon as I saw Esposito's character's flashback, my first thought was 'oh, he's this story's version of John Locke.'
 
2012-10-22 03:04:34 PM  

CaptainCampbell: Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW


I'm really enjoying Arrow. I hope it keeps up.
 
2012-10-22 03:04:45 PM  

czei: Revolution is a great premise, but it aspires only to be average old-world network TV. Compared to something on cable, like Game of Thrones or the Walking Dead, Revolution is ridiculously low-budget: the camera work is boring, the acting is mediocre, the sets are cheap, and the writing is what you'd expect when you hand a network writer hack an outline and give him/her a 2 week deadline.


I was really excited for Revolution, but checked out after episode 3. It probably didn't help that I was in the middle of watching Game of Thrones through for the first time, marathon style, and the massive difference of quality between the two was distressing.

The worst part for me was when the "rebels" started flashing US flags everywhere, claiming that they want to "bring America back!" You can't. Even if you could reunify the geographic area and find enough people to form a central government, it still wouldn't be the same America. Do you want to be out from under the thumb of a tyrannical militia? Fine, but say that. I couldn't find it in myself to care about their goal because it was nothing more than a poorly thought out patriotic wankfest.
 
2012-10-22 03:05:26 PM  

TimeWaste: CaptainCampbell: Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW

I'm really enjoying Arrow. I hope it keeps up.


I feel dirty for enjoying Elementary.

/Cumberbatch is better.
 
2012-10-22 03:12:23 PM  

czei: brigid_fitch: As for TWD, I mentioned that in my earlier post. AMC put all of its eggs into its Mad Men basket last year, taking away $600k per episode from TWD's budget.

What's TWD?


The Walking Dead
 
2012-10-22 03:17:01 PM  

NeoCortex42: The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.

It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.


Actually, that's almost the way Heroes was supposed to work. Not each episode but each season was supposed to be a different story arc with completely different characters. Killing Sylar should have been the end of the story and the next season would have started w/a whole new cast with different powers and a new storyline. But the network execs hung onto the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing they decided to keep the cast, enlarge the story, and bring in more characters. Then it got too unwieldy and just downright stupid.
 
2012-10-22 03:20:43 PM  

brigid_fitch: NeoCortex42: The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.

It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.

Actually, that's almost the way Heroes was supposed to work. Not each episode but each season was supposed to be a different story arc with completely different characters. Killing Sylar should have been the end of the story and the next season would have started w/a whole new cast with different powers and a new storyline. But the network execs hung onto the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing they decided to keep the cast, enlarge the story, and bring in more characters. Then it got too unwieldy and just downright stupid.


Yep, and it's a shame the show wasn't able to progress as it was originally planned. Since they wanted to keep the same characters around indefinitely, they had to constantly deal with the power creep of Hiro and Sylar.
 
2012-10-22 03:44:43 PM  

Hebalo: clkeagle: A good writer once told me that if your entire plot is dependent upon flashbacks, you started the story in the wrong place. The Stirling novels upon which they're based start right at the flash and deal with its immediate aftereffects. But when the plot moves forward, it stays forward.

That's my only real problem with Revolution - it's hard to keep the future storyline in motion when they keep flashing back to "who were these guys?" The whole point of a setting like this? It doesn't freakin' matter who they were or what they did. Characters can talk about it when demonstrating a rare skill or having casual campfire conversation, but enough with the flashbacks.

Firmly disagree with almost everything you said here. While there are similarities to the Stirling novels, Revolution isn't in any based on them.

The Character flashback thing in this case is the "Lost " style narrative, which adds to the storytelling. It allows the writers to place you in the middle of the action, to get you engaged in what's happening, while using the flashbacks to bring more depth to the characters.

It doesn't always work, or work well, but it can be really effective. Eposito's character had a great flashback last week, which added a lot to who he is, and gave us a surprise about one of the other characters.

Revolution hasn't overwhelmed yet, but it's early days. Part of the problem with the "informed fanboy" (I'm in the club too) is that we have MUCH higher expectations of serialized shows. We want perfection, and we want it on our schedule. Season 1 of TNG sucked ass, but they sorted out the problems and had a great run. Who knows if this show will as well.


Huh? There's as much connection between Emberverse and Revolution as there is between Kiln People and Surrogates. Just because it's poorly done doesn't make it any less of a cheap copy.
 
2012-10-22 04:09:37 PM  
But Huntress hasn't shown up on Arrow yet!
 
2012-10-22 04:15:46 PM  
Not enough greek goddess in heah ...

www.revolution-show.com

www.revolution-show.com
 
2012-10-22 04:16:59 PM  
Bring back The Event and Jericho.
 
2012-10-22 04:21:26 PM  

NeoCortex42: PillsHere: I really want to like Revolution, but it just hasn't grabbed met yet. I thought the first episode was decent enough, but it's been downhill from there. It's not as bad as Alcatraz mind you, but it's nowhere near as good as Lost was.

I liked Alcatraz and thought it was getting pretty good. I think the problem is the same that a lot of other serialized sci-fi shows have had to deal with. In order to get the show on the air in the first place, they have to make it start off very episodic, mostly ignore any larger mythology, and possibly tone down the sci-fi aspects of it. Alcratraz, Dollhouse, and Fringe started out very episodic. It wasn't until the greater serial nature was explored that they started to get good. Fortunately Fringe was somehow able to keep getting renewed, in spite of it being on Fox.


That's what bothered me about Alcatraz, it was very episodic with a tired baddie-of-the-week format. They went with the very wrong approach there. Stopped watching by the 5th episode.
 
2012-10-22 04:23:46 PM  

Wellon Dowd: Girion47: Revolution sucks. It's really really bad, like Syfy could do better than this shiat.

/she isn't hot, she has dead eyes.

Like a doll's eyes.

[i.imgur.com image 628x434]


That wouldn't bother me heck, she wouldn't see my face for an hour.
 
2012-10-22 04:25:27 PM  

nocturn: Huh? There's as much connection between Emberverse and Revolution as there is between Kiln People and Surrogates. Just because it's poorly done doesn't make it any less of a cheap copy.


I have no idea what your comparison means, as I don't know either Kiln People or Surrogates. But I have seen Revolution, and read the first couple of the Emberverse books (all I could take, they're a bit crappy).

The basic premise is the same "Lights Go Out", but that's really about the end of the direct comparison, as far as I can see. Stirling is hardly the first to come up with that concept. I fail to see how that makes Revolution a "cheap copy".
 
2012-10-22 04:29:43 PM  

brigid_fitch: NeoCortex42: The DBS: I'd like to see an anthology zombie show with every episode taking place in the same universe, with different scenarios each week. They wouldn't even have to all be in the US. Think of World War Z as a one hour series.

It would have been the best way to pull off Heroes.

Actually, that's almost the way Heroes was supposed to work. Not each episode but each season was supposed to be a different story arc with completely different characters. Killing Sylar should have been the end of the story and the next season would have started w/a whole new cast with different powers and a new storyline. But the network execs hung onto the whole "Save the cheerleader, save the world" thing they decided to keep the cast, enlarge the story, and bring in more characters. Then it got too unwieldy and just downright stupid.


Exactly right. The big thrill of Heroes for me was watching someone new discovering his power and coming to terms with it. That can't happen if you're recycling existing characters and plots. It should've followed 24's format by limiting to single season story arcs.
 
2012-10-22 04:32:16 PM  
ok, and you know what else bothers me about Revolution? The St. Louis Arch is torn in half. Seriously?? i mean, i get the "things get broken in the apocalypse" premise but that thing is made of stainless steel. and the broken section is over 600 feet high. I briefly considered that maybe they had to cut people out of it but, it has stairs. it's 50 years old already, so 15 years of not running the trams is not going to degrade it.

maybe it got hit by a plane but then the whole thing would be flattened, not sticking up into the air in two pieces.
 
2012-10-22 04:39:18 PM  
Revolution is perfectly fine.

Grumpy people will be grumpy. Go back to paying 10 bucks a month for your shows instead of getting them fro free.
 
2012-10-22 04:43:44 PM  

Keigh: ok, and you know what else bothers me about Revolution? The St. Louis Arch is torn in half. Seriously?? i mean, i get the "things get broken in the apocalypse" premise but that thing is made of stainless steel. and the broken section is over 600 feet high. I briefly considered that maybe they had to cut people out of it but, it has stairs. it's 50 years old already, so 15 years of not running the trams is not going to degrade it.

maybe it got hit by a plane but then the whole thing would be flattened, not sticking up into the air in two pieces.


Maybe it was scraped, like in Lord of War when Cage's plane is turned into a skeleton overnight.
 
2012-10-22 04:44:44 PM  

The Banana Thug: That's what bothered me about Alcatraz, it was very episodic with a tired baddie-of-the-week format. They went with the very wrong approach there. Stopped watching by the 5th episode.


It got significantly more serial in the latter half of the season. There was actually an interesting master plot that was taking shape. Unfortunately, they lost too many viewers over the first handful of episodes to keep the show going.

It's the same exact way Dollhouse went. That show had some pretty bad and generic standalone episodes at the beginning, but by the time it went to a more serial story, it had lost too many viewers.
 
2012-10-22 04:50:02 PM  

MoronLessOff: scraped


i think you mean scrapped, and i guess that's possible but, why would they take the scrap from the top? they'd have had to get in to the structure, climb the stairs (so many damn stairs), dismantle whatever they can with a wrench (do blowtorches even work?) and then... drop it into the park? carry it back down the stairs? and what are you going to do with stainless steel without a TIG welder anyway?

I think they are just over reaching on the "old world is old" premise. Someone else mentioned how the uniforms and furniture look antique. I think they just wanted something to give the apocalypse feeling and the Arch is a big landmark. However..... why don't we get glimpses of Liberty in New York? (especially since that appears to be where the lights went out first...)
 
2012-10-22 04:55:03 PM  

Keigh: MoronLessOff: scraped

i think you mean scrapped, and i guess that's possible but, why would they take the scrap from the top? they'd have had to get in to the structure, climb the stairs (so many damn stairs), dismantle whatever they can with a wrench (do blowtorches even work?) and then... drop it into the park? carry it back down the stairs? and what are you going to do with stainless steel without a TIG welder anyway?

I think they are just over reaching on the "old world is old" premise. Someone else mentioned how the uniforms and furniture look antique. I think they just wanted something to give the apocalypse feeling and the Arch is a big landmark. However..... why don't we get glimpses of Liberty in New York? (especially since that appears to be where the lights went out first...)


Nope, scraped, like with a butter knife. (English fail)

Also, isn't there a video game commercial or something that shows the Arch in decay, or is that part of Revolution? I've been wondering if it's a regional thing. Like, in San Fran, do they have a similar scene with the Golden Gate bridge crumbling?
 
2012-10-22 04:59:44 PM  

MoronLessOff: Revolution


this is one shot i googled up. it's not quite the same as the one they keep showing in the opener scene. and in all honesty East st louis looks like that already. 

image was too big.
 
2012-10-22 05:00:50 PM  

Girion47: TimeWaste: CaptainCampbell: Arrow is my favorite new show of the Fall.

/feels dirty for watching CW

I'm really enjoying Arrow. I hope it keeps up.

I feel dirty for enjoying Elementary.

/Cumberbatch is better.


I confess I thought it was stupid too, but now I'm hooked.

The Sherlock Homes in the books is apparently very similar and was why he needed Watson.
 
2012-10-22 05:06:42 PM  

Keigh: MoronLessOff: Revolution

this is one shot i googled up. it's not quite the same as the one they keep showing in the opener scene. and in all honesty East st louis looks like that already. 

image was too big.


That doesn't look like the one I have in mind. I'll pay more attention next time I see the game commercial. IIRC, the top left of the Arch *viewed from the river) is down to the support structure, but the skyline doesn't quite seem to match up.
 
2012-10-22 05:59:19 PM  

Girion47: FeedTheCollapse: The DBS: I watched the crappy first episode and assumed it wouldn't last a season. I didn't know it was still on.

I'm amazed that no one seems to like the show, yet it was picked up for a full season. I get the feeling that Sci-Fi fans are so hard up for Sci-Fi that they'll attach themselves to anything delegated as Sci-Fi, regardless of quality.

If a network wanted to make quality sci-fi and for cheap, all they'd have to do is make a TV version of 1632. Finding a rural town in WV and occasionally throwing swords and bad swedish actors at it wouldn't be that expensive.


I love this idea SO MUCH.

Of course they'd probably fark it up by dangling hints that there might be some way for them to get back to their own time.
 
2012-10-22 06:04:50 PM  

NeoCortex42: I'm still wondering what the long-term plan for Last Resort is. I'm liking it so far (ignoring the obvious military inaccuracies), but it still feels like it would be a great mini-series. I don't see yet how it could go on for several seasons and remain interesting.


My problem with Last Resort is that except for the pilot when they launched the nuke at Washington they've been totally reactive all the time. Chaplin doesn't seem to have any kind of plan.

That and the fact that the crew seems to be totally incompetent and undisciplined.
 
2012-10-22 06:29:55 PM  
Revolution just started screening in New Zealand. It's okay so far, it seems to be sticking very closely to Joseph Campbell's monomyth.
 
2012-10-22 06:32:03 PM  
In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

/ Talking to you NBC.
 
2012-10-22 07:00:01 PM  

fusillade762: NeoCortex42: I'm still wondering what the long-term plan for Last Resort is. I'm liking it so far (ignoring the obvious military inaccuracies), but it still feels like it would be a great mini-series. I don't see yet how it could go on for several seasons and remain interesting.

My problem with Last Resort is that except for the pilot when they launched the nuke at Washington they've been totally reactive all the time. Chaplin doesn't seem to have any kind of plan.

That and the fact that the crew seems to be totally incompetent and undisciplined.


My hope for a long-term plan is that they change up the format completely at the end of the first season. Have whatever behind-closed-doors coup is being organized come out and openly attack and take over the country. Then have the sub act as something like the last hope for freedom or something. At least then they could have actual purpose week to week.
 
2012-10-22 08:00:10 PM  
In other, totally unrelated news, Fringe is having a pretty solid season. It's entirely dropped the monster of the week charade (three episodes in) and is the serialized sci-fi story it was always meant to be.

/though, to be honest, the enemy are a little corny
 
2012-10-22 10:01:19 PM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: In other, totally unrelated news, Fringe is having a pretty solid season. It's entirely dropped the monster of the week charade (three episodes in) and is the serialized sci-fi story it was always meant to be.

/though, to be honest, the enemy are a little corny


Its the last season.
 
2012-10-22 11:30:12 PM  

HempHead: Its the last season.


Yeah, that's true. I just hope it does well enough to not get yanked before the whole run is through.
 
2012-10-23 12:11:55 AM  

wippit: Solon Isonomia: wippit: Revolution is to The Postman like Terra Nova is to Jurassic Park. I'll just leave it at that.

/still watch it, the wife likes it

Oh come on now, Terra Nova was better than Revolution.

I agree, actually. I had some high hopes for Season 2. Alas...


Agreed. I watched the first three episodes and tried to like it.

I haven't deleted the other episodes off my DVR yet, so I guess I haven't totally given up.
 
2012-10-23 12:17:43 AM  

www.dorktower.com
/hot like a cranky muskrat.

 
2012-10-23 12:36:55 AM  

Seth'n'Spectrum: HempHead: Its the last season.

Yeah, that's true. I just hope it does well enough to not get yanked before the whole run is through.


It's been approved for a set amount of episodes (15 I think) pre-agreed so they could plan out the end game and tell it properly. There will be no monster of the week, it will not get "yanked".

Also it was supposed to be shown with no weeks off, but baseball, I guess, conquers all.
 
2012-10-23 06:25:33 AM  
When I saw the headline I was thinking "Once Upon A Time" until I realized that's on ABC. I thought Grimm was the only show on NBC that was getting ratings. Huh. Live and learn.

But reading through this thread has me thinking Revolution isn't going to be something I'll be catching up on. Giant scientific plausibility gaffes don't do it for me unless there's a strong fantasy element or some kind of acknowledgement of the weirdness by the characters, perhaps with intention to resolve it, which it sounds like hasn't happened. After fifteen years, one would think there'd be rather a lot of information about what had happened and how to fix it. Or some alternate tech would have developed in a big way to exploit the remaining basic physical laws. Or...

What if it isn't that electricity is selectively allowing nervous systems to work but that it's gone and everyone is actually a zombie, working on some negative force which doesn't allow their brains to work well enough to come up with better technology? And we don't realize it because we're seeing the subjective reality of the limited zombie brains, like in that one zombie movie where the group of zombies think they're OK and everyone else is scurrying around like chipmunks on speed when they're really shuffling, decaying idiots.

Nah. Too obvious. But say, that's an idea: With zombies being popular now, celebrities will be wanting to make guest appearances in zombie shows and movies to see how they'd get killed or what kind of zombie they'd be. How about taking old shows and sports footage and digitally editing in gore effects it to make it Zombie TV? Each week they could fix up random episodes of really old and unpopular shows that haven't been aired in forever and classic football games and -- ooh, hockey! Zombies on ice! The NZHL. Or soccer where there's a disembodied head being kicked around by zombies, but the head is still animated and bites the players' feet. Or broader: the Wide World Of Zombie Sports, where that awful ski wipeout in the intro would end with pieces flying off and tumbling down the slope.

Yeah, it's another early morning and I've not been sleeping...
 
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