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(Talking Points Memo)   Will Romney show off his mad Foreign Policy skills? Will Obama tell Romney to sit his ass down if he gets out of line? Will this really be a game changer? This is your Presidential Debate thread (9PM Eastern). Please proceed, Farkers   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2012-10-22 10:10:39 AM  
NFL Football, World Series playoff, NBA preseason or two guys lying to the US?
 
2012-10-22 10:15:34 AM  
Wooo! My kids get to watch Mom yell at the TV again.
 
2012-10-22 10:17:58 AM  
Will tonight be the night Willard completely loses his shiat?
 
2012-10-22 10:18:05 AM  

EnviroDude: NFL Football, World Series playoff, NBA preseason or two guys lying to the US?


I'm going with the debate just in case Romney accidentally says the word "Chinamen" or even "Orientals."

Also, Obama joked at the Al Smith dinner about Romney's awful trip abroad, but I'm wondering how he might actually use it in the debate.

Will Romney double down on accusing Obama of a cover-up on Libya? Will Obama call Romney straight-up irresponsible? Will Romney have the gall to attack Obama on drone strikes? Will Obama ask him what he would do differently? Will Andrew Sullivan being once again hyperventilating?
 
2012-10-22 10:19:43 AM  
Yes
No
No (not as many people will tune in to a foreign policy debate. Especially on a Monday. IIRC fewer people watched the second debate than the first)
 
2012-10-22 10:20:31 AM  
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-10-22 10:35:32 AM  
It is 10:30 in the farking morning.
 
2012-10-22 10:36:26 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: No (not as many people will tune in to a foreign policy debate. Especially on a Monday. IIRC fewer people watched the second debate than the first)


First debate: 67.2 million. Second debate: 65.6 million. (pops)

Fewer. But not significantly fewer.
 
2012-10-22 10:37:56 AM  
I came in early - wanted to make sure I got a good seat.
 
2012-10-22 10:39:29 AM  
Tonight the role pf Mitt Romney will be played by Sheldon Adelson.
 
2012-10-22 10:40:13 AM  

Titor's Time Machine: It is 10:30 in the farking morning.


Just dial it forward, Titor. I didn't want to work today anyway.
 
2012-10-22 10:44:38 AM  

EnviroDude: NFL Football, World Series playoff, NBA preseason or two guys lying to the US?


There's always reruns of Family Guy on TBS. Or whatever CW airs these days.
 
2012-10-22 10:45:05 AM  
Obama has too much tact, which while a good thing for a president. I want to see Biden debate Romney for the lulz.
 
2012-10-22 10:46:07 AM  

FishyFred: EnviroDude: NFL Football, World Series playoff, NBA preseason or two guys lying to the US?

I'm going with the debate just in case Romney accidentally says the word "Chinamen" or even "Orientals."


If he does an Obama responds with, "The Chinamen are not the issue," he will win in a landslide.


But I have to go with EnviroDude on this one. It's like that Simpsons episode where Homer stayed home from Church. "We interrupt this public affairs program to bring you...a football game." Woo hoo!
 
2012-10-22 10:48:54 AM  
At least historically, the foreign policy debates matter least to the average voter - at least in the post Cold War era. Economic and (sadly at times) culture war issues are at the top of mind for voters, which is why the first two debates always pull such a large audience.

And this could be an especially low audience, with the NLCS, MNF, NBA preseason, and (for some folks at least), WWE all on at about the same time as the debate.

...and really, at the end of the day, barring a huge gaffe by either candidate, the voters are locked in, and likely have been since before the debates even began. Poll after poll shows that while the race has tightened, very few voters have actually changed sides, and both parties are kicking the GOTV into high gear (the Dems more so). NAtional polls matter to the media narratives, but state polls tell the real story, and right now, POTUS is about where he was before the conventions - nursing a 2-3 point national lead, with a structural advantage in the EC.
 
2012-10-22 10:50:02 AM  
I plan to drink every time something racist is said, period.

I imagine Romney will ensure that I'm too hung over for work tomorrow.
 
2012-10-22 10:50:02 AM  
Expect Obama to still be on his toes and expect Mitt to still be a douche.
 
2012-10-22 10:52:12 AM  
The big challenge for Mitt is to somehow criticize Obama's foreign policy record without creating strawmen, and trying to articulate his own policy without copying W.

Given O's record so far (OBL dead, Mubarak gone, Iran's currency crippled, most of AQ's leaders dead), the former will be tough. And with Mitt's team stacked with W's goons, the latter is damn near impossible
 
2012-10-22 10:55:03 AM  

CheetahOlivetti: Titor's Time Machine: It is 10:30 in the farking morning.

Just dial it forward, Titor. I didn't want to work today anyway.


I'm broken.
 
2012-10-22 10:58:35 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The big challenge for Mitt is to somehow criticize Obama's foreign policy record without creating strawmen, and trying to articulate his own policy without copying W.

Given O's record so far (OBL dead, Mubarak gone, Iran's currency crippled, most of AQ's leaders dead), the former will be tough. And with Mitt's team stacked with W's goons, the latter is damn near impossible


But Libya!
 
2012-10-22 11:02:21 AM  

Freudian_slipknot: I plan to drink every time something racist is said, period.

I imagine Romney will ensure that I'm too hung over for work tomorrow.


Hmm. I have an early morning client meeting, dammit, but I want to get a list of drinking words started.
 
2012-10-22 11:03:38 AM  

FishyFred: tenpoundsofcheese: No (not as many people will tune in to a foreign policy debate. Especially on a Monday. IIRC fewer people watched the second debate than the first)

First debate: 67.2 million. Second debate: 65.6 million. (pops)

Fewer. But not significantly fewer.


Expect fewer tonight as game 7 of the NLCS on.

/Go Cards
//Maybe Pablo Sandoval can belly-smash Tagg if he gets out of hand again
 
2012-10-22 11:10:10 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The big challenge for Mitt is to somehow criticize Obama's foreign policy record without creating strawmen, and trying to articulate his own policy without copying W.

Given O's record so far (OBL dead, Mubarak gone, Iran's currency crippled, most of AQ's leaders dead), the former will be tough. And with Mitt's team stacked with W's goons, the latter is damn near impossible


Thanks for remembering the goons.
 
2012-10-22 11:24:39 AM  
I'm in the middle of my two weeks notice, so I'm pretty Honey Badger about getting to work tomorrow.

I'mma finish the bottle if Rmoney says "Czechoslovakia"
 
2012-10-22 11:24:46 AM  
I cannot conceivably think of a way that Romney can win this debate. I just can't. You thought the last debate was a bloodbath.
 
2012-10-22 11:25:54 AM  
I'm glad I didn't stay up late last night to watch Dexter and The Walking Dead. This way I'll have something worthwhile to watch tonight while the debate is on...
 
2012-10-22 11:33:59 AM  

Mugato: Tonight the role pf Mitt Romney will be played by Sheldon Adelson.


Romney is a power forward?
 
2012-10-22 11:35:05 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I cannot conceivably think of a way that Romney can win this debate. I just can't. You thought the last debate was a bloodbath.


You mean aside from Wolf Blitzer and the CNN "news" room giving the last debate a "tie" despite Obama sending Romney to the cleaners?

I predict a tie. Romney will once again attack Obama on Libya, Obama will attack Romney on Iran and Israel, they will spar about China policy, Obama will point out he killed OBL, Romney will point out he's more beloved by Netanyahu, Obama will point out he's more beloved by just about everyone else, Romney will point out his defense increases are paid for by magical fairy dust, somehow they will pull the debate back into education and healthcare and taxes.

Obama will win but the media will call it a tie because Obama was "supposed to win" and because the media wants a close race and a riveted audience on election night.

And everyone in the country will collectively give a fark because 95% of the country has already made up its mind. And whoever wins in November will face Congressional stalemate on every idea they propose.

After all this is America, the farking joke of the world.
 
2012-10-22 11:41:23 AM  
If Biden and Obama's absolutely dominating performances didnt swing polls or Wolf Blitzer's astute analysis, this one won't either. I'd rather watch Cutler mope his way through the Lions.

The only way they'd call it a win for Obama is if Romney spent the full 90 minutes trying to ejaculate into his own mouth and even then half the media would praise him for not outsourcing it.
 
2012-10-22 11:41:32 AM  
Fark this, what are the drinking rules?
 
2012-10-22 11:43:30 AM  
Look. Bin Laden's dead, the Iraq war is over, and several dictators are dead. Let's just call this debate a win for Obama now so we can watch Game 7 of the NLCS.
 
2012-10-22 11:50:12 AM  

Coco LaFemme: I cannot conceivably think of a way that Romney can win this debate. I just can't. You thought the last debate was a bloodbath.


SPOILER ALERT!!!!

Romney is going to lie his ass off every chance he gets.
 
2012-10-22 11:56:19 AM  
Although especially the NFL, and certainly some with a baseball game 7 will pull away from the audience, the issue is, where is it going to affect the audience the most:

Chicago - Not a swing state.
Detroit - Michigan is barely a swing state... some places like to list it as such now, but, 538 still has it as over 90% odds Obama wins. Plus, a foreign policy debate doesn't play to the issue most around Detroit are worried about
Missouri - Even more towards Romney than Michigan is for Obama.
California - Not a swing state

So, really, the sports teams home markets playing, where the really high levels of viewership will come from, shouldn't really affect the viewership in any important swing states.

/Who the hell watches NBA preseason for more than 20 seconds?
 
2012-10-22 11:56:32 AM  

Titor's Time Machine: It is 10:30 in the farking morning.


Thank you for that update. Keep up posted when it hits noon.
 
2012-10-22 11:59:32 AM  
Seems like it is going to be really hard for Obama to defend his record. I'm sure that there is a lot of behind the scenes stuff going on that he just can't talk about, while Romney can just second guess after the fact. Obama probably does not want to telegraph exactly who we are supporting and how we are doing it in Syria, for example, or where the drones are operating or how we are pushing China. He is going to have to win the debate with one hand tied behind his back against a guy that has nothing to lose and no record to examine and no clear policy to critique. It is going to be tough.
 
2012-10-22 12:00:49 PM  

Coco LaFemme: I cannot conceivably think of a way that Romney can win this debate. I just can't. You thought the last debate was a bloodbath.


90% of Romney's time will be talking about how Obama has failed us
5% of Romney's time he will just make up some nice sounding shiat that his campaign will walk back tomorrow morning when the public isn't paying attention
5% of Romney's time he will say something incredibly vague about what he would do if he were in office
 
2012-10-22 12:06:29 PM  
Lets see, NLCS starts at 8pm, MNF starts usually around 8:35-8:40, debate starts at 9pm.

Let's start some "Triple Event Wagers":

Which happens first: Home Run, Defensive TD, Obama says "Iraq"

Which will be higher: Total hits, Total Defensive Points Scored, Number of Foreign Countries mentioned by candidates during the debate

Throw in some others... maybe someone can make a "game sheet" before first pitch tonight.
 
2012-10-22 12:11:08 PM  
Both of these men say they are Christians and not cult members or Muslims.  I say they prove it.  Thunderdome with lions.
 
2012-10-22 12:16:56 PM  
2 sips every time someone uses the phrase "hard line", as in "A Romney administration will take a hard line with China on currency valuation".
Chug if the person using the phrase "hard line" gives even one example of what they will actually do while taking that "hard line".

/hard
 
2012-10-22 12:22:47 PM  
Every time Romney takes credit for Bin Laden's death, take a drink.
 
2012-10-22 12:23:59 PM  
First news for the debate. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Romneyburg!

i219.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-22 12:31:57 PM  

what_now:
I'mma finish the bottle if Rmoney says "Czechoslovakia"


Or "The Soviets".
 
2012-10-22 12:34:01 PM  

WTF Indeed: Look. Bin Laden's dead, the Iraq war is over, and several dictators are dead. Let's just call this debate a win for Obama now so we can watch Game 7 of the NLCS.


But Americans died in Libya and Obama didn't say the exact word "terrorism" right away AND he said it was "not optimal" which is the exact same thing as pissing on the victims' graves. Romney wins.
 
2012-10-22 12:50:56 PM  

Counter_Intelligent: Fark this, what are the drinking rules?


Everybody picks a drinking word:

Libya
Iran
Iraq
Russia
Egypt
China
Israel
London
Hard line
Embassy
Act of Terror
Ally
Enemy
Extremism
Apology

...help me add to the list here. And be careful: some poor bastard got "small business" during the second debate and I hear he's blind now.
 
2012-10-22 12:51:52 PM  
BAH GAWD KING, THAT FOREIGN POLICY HAD A FAMILY!
 
2012-10-22 12:54:52 PM  

TheManofPA: BAH GAWD KING, THAT FOREIGN POLICY HAD A FAMILY!


THIS DEBATE IS TOUGHER THAN A $2 STEAK!
 
2012-10-22 01:08:46 PM  

dogdaze: First news for the debate. Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the Romneyburg!

[i219.photobucket.com image 511x611]


Gee, where is the photo of that on Drudge Report.... I am sure if an Obama Blimp crashed in Florida we'd have....

OBAMA CAMPAIGN NOSE DIVES IN FLORIDA!!!
 
2012-10-22 01:11:12 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The big challenge for Mitt is to somehow criticize Obama's foreign policy record without creating strawmen, and trying to articulate his own policy without copying W.

Given O's record so far (OBL dead, Mubarak gone, Iran's currency crippled, most of AQ's leaders dead), the former will be tough. And with Mitt's team stacked with W's goons, the latter is damn near impossible


The problem with your analysis is you're forgetting that roughly half of our fellow Americans are dipshiats that want to return to GWB's foreign policy. Romneybot will not run from it. The Republican base will get very fired up if he says "We gonna kick sum ass and torture us some mooslins".
 
2012-10-22 01:12:50 PM  
Chug if Romney tries to go back to a question from the second debate, claiming that he wasn't given a chance to respond.
 
2012-10-22 01:14:36 PM  
Here is the news that the debate will focus on.
 
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/international/us_watched_as_terror_rage d_ AypAEEA9OK23rPf7Z5BHWO
 
Well, that and whether the US should bail out Europe or pay back China or provide kids in Costa Rica with t-shirts from the losing Super Bowl team.
 
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