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(Sun Sentinel)   On the 25th anniversary of the 1987 NFL strike, Miami Dolphins players recall the replacement-era games, wish the modern Dolphins could play half as well as the scabs   (sun-sentinel.com) divider line 20
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2012-10-22 09:16:20 AM  
So, a discussion point.... who was worse:

1987 replacement players vs. the regulars, or
2012 replacement referees vs. the regulars
 
2012-10-22 11:32:35 AM  
Well, the Dolphins are a half-game out of first place in their division and are currently alone in second. Obviously they have an advantage in that they've had a bye week, and this is one of the dumbest things to use...but IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY, the Dolphins would be a playoff team.

Yes, the AFC sucks that much.
 
2012-10-22 12:18:59 PM  
The Redskins miss the strike years too...
 
2012-10-22 12:20:05 PM  
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2012-10-22 12:20:58 PM  

IAmRight: Well, the Dolphins are a half-game out of first place in their division and are currently alone in second. Obviously they have an advantage in that they've had a bye week, and this is one of the dumbest things to use...but IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY, the Dolphins would be a playoff team.

Yes, the AFC sucks that much.


I think the Dolphins are a better team than they get credit for. Had they managed to make a field goal in each of their OT losses, they'd be 5-1. I know a loss is a loss, but they aren't getting blown out.
 
2012-10-22 12:23:24 PM  
Dolphins look fine -- hell, borderline-good -- for a team with a first-year HC and a rookie QB.

If they had a cornerback who was worth a shiat or a receiver who didn't make Bernie Kosar look like Usain Bolt, they'd probably be in first place.

7-9 is probably doable. I'd take that for Year 1.
 
2012-10-22 12:24:01 PM  

IAmRight: Yes, the AFC sucks that much.


Agreed, but still, the Dolphins do have a surprising amount of talent. Their run defense is one of the best in the NFL, and they seem to have finally found a decent QB in Tannehill. And apparently Hartline is good now?
 
2012-10-22 12:24:15 PM  

NashMcNash: IAmRight: Well, the Dolphins are a half-game out of first place in their division and are currently alone in second. Obviously they have an advantage in that they've had a bye week, and this is one of the dumbest things to use...but IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY, the Dolphins would be a playoff team.

Yes, the AFC sucks that much.

I think the Dolphins are a better team than they get credit for. Had they managed to make a field goal in each of their OT losses, they'd be 5-1. I know a loss is a loss, but they aren't getting blown out.


Plus Tannehill is playing pretty good football in his first six games especially for a rookie. I would expect him to only get better as the season goes on.

Face it, Bush is kind of good. Thomas looks like a good fill in too.
 
2012-10-22 12:28:32 PM  

LucklessWonder: The Redskins miss the strike years too...


THIS.

\\ HTTR
 
2012-10-22 12:31:15 PM  

Arkanaut: Agreed, but still, the Dolphins do have a surprising amount of talent. Their run defense is one of the best in the NFL, and they seem to have finally found a decent QB in Tannehill. And apparently Hartline is good now?


Hartline always had the potential to be good. He was just ridiculously inconsistent. He'd make circus catches, and then drop ones that hit him in the numbers. Granted, that was with Henne throwing at him. Tannehill seems to grasp the idea that it's okay to not throw it 100 mph on a five-yard route.

I'm not sold on Tannehill yet. Obviously have to see more. I'd certainly take him over Sanchez or Fitzpatrick, but that's not saying much. So far, though, he's been impressive.
 
2012-10-22 12:37:26 PM  
So, a discussion point.... who was worse:

1987 replacement players vs. the regulars, or
2012 replacement referees vs. the regulars


Not even close, the replacement players by a mile. The replacement refs were obviously not as good as the regularo ones, but they had every little detail pored over and every mistake was amplified by fans and media by a factor of eleventy-billion. It's important to remember that the regular refs suck, too.
 
2012-10-22 12:39:30 PM  
Fark off, subby. The scabs cost us a playoff spot in '87. Were you even born yet?
 
2012-10-22 01:05:48 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: So, a discussion point.... who was worse:

1987 replacement players vs. the regulars, or
2012 replacement referees vs. the regulars

Not even close, the replacement players by a mile. The replacement refs were obviously not as good as the regularo ones, but they had every little detail pored over and every mistake was amplified by fans and media by a factor of eleventy-billion. It's important to remember that the regular refs suck, too.


Hmmm, interesting, the thing.

I know that the replacement players were a lot of obviously "scrubs",... players playing in the newly formed Arena League at the time, etc. But, other than maybe a few extremely high players who didn't want to screw up an be "scabs", wouldn't most of the players at the time been the guys who "just" didn't make the teams.... a tenth of a second too slow, a coin flip on whether they kept this guy or that. I might (and probably am) wrong on that though, maybe they had to really dig deep down to find anyone to cross the picket line.

With the ref's.... who would supposedly be the best ref's outside of the NFL refs? NCAA FCS refs.... but AFAIK I don't believe any of them came up to the NFL, and why would they.... being an NCAA FCS refs is a pretty good gig, and they knew the NFL replacement ref thing would only last 2-3 months at the most. Even guys refing FCS games at least have a decently steady gig. So, the NFL had to go with Div II, III, High school, Arena Football, Lingerie League, etc ref's. Again, maybe the NFL with the players back in 1987 didn't get just as many of the top NON-NFL players as they definitely couldn't get the top Non-NFL ref's this year. Someone who has a bit more background on that can weigh in.
 
2012-10-22 01:06:38 PM  

Why Would I Read the Article: It's important to remember that the regular refs suck, too.


Amen. Even on procedure. Like saying the Steelers couldn't call a timeout before that two-point conversion last night (if they actually did tell the Steelers they couldn't).

Still not as bad as the VT/Clemson game this weekend, where ACC refs ruled a QB who was standing on both feet down because there was a defender holding on to one of his ankles (he was standing, comfortably, in a throwing position and completed a pass for what would've been a first down if they hadn't ruled him "down" on that third down play.)...then those refs ruled a Clemson player down when a ball popped loose two plays later even though, again, the only part of him that was down were the soles of his shoes. So that time Clemson got to keep it.

You've got to be a little less blatant about fixing games, ACC refs.
 
2012-10-22 01:12:26 PM  

dletter: With the ref's.... who would supposedly be the best ref's outside of the NFL refs? NCAA FCS refs.... but AFAIK I don't believe any of them came up to the NFL, and why would they.... being an NCAA FCS refs is a pretty good gig, and they knew the NFL replacement ref thing would only last 2-3 months at the most. Even guys refing FCS games at least have a decently steady gig. So, the NFL had to go with Div II, III, High school, Arena Football, Lingerie League, etc ref's. Again, maybe the NFL with the players back in 1987 didn't get just as many of the top NON-NFL players as they definitely couldn't get the top Non-NFL ref's this year. Someone who has a bit more background on that can weigh in.


First, regarding your idea that they got guys who "just missed making the team"...even if they did (I have no idea), there are only a few players each year that just barely miss making the team. There are 53 on each roster. So you have to go find another 53, and there aren't that many guys who "just missed" making their NFL squad.

Secondly, I believe you mean FBS refs would hypothetically be the next step down, and yeah, they weren't going to do it, not after they stepped in last time the NFL did this a decade or so ago, did a good job...then weren't allowed back into their old jobs when the NFL's regulars came back.

I'd also point out that from the FCS level on down, there are guys who work both there and for the AFL, LFL, etc., so it's not really a move down to go from one to the other - I've seen guys who worked the AFL games out refereeing FCS games (and apparently some also do FBS) games.
 
2012-10-22 01:16:33 PM  

IAmRight: dletter: With the ref's.... who would supposedly be the best ref's outside of the NFL refs? NCAA FCS refs.... but AFAIK I don't believe any of them came up to the NFL, and why would they.... being an NCAA FCS refs is a pretty good gig, and they knew the NFL replacement ref thing would only last 2-3 months at the most. Even guys refing FCS games at least have a decently steady gig. So, the NFL had to go with Div II, III, High school, Arena Football, Lingerie League, etc ref's. Again, maybe the NFL with the players back in 1987 didn't get just as many of the top NON-NFL players as they definitely couldn't get the top Non-NFL ref's this year. Someone who has a bit more background on that can weigh in.

First, regarding your idea that they got guys who "just missed making the team"...even if they did (I have no idea), there are only a few players each year that just barely miss making the team. There are 53 on each roster. So you have to go find another 53, and there aren't that many guys who "just missed" making their NFL squad.

Secondly, I believe you mean FBS refs would hypothetically be the next step down, and yeah, they weren't going to do it, not after they stepped in last time the NFL did this a decade or so ago, did a good job...then weren't allowed back into their old jobs when the NFL's regulars came back.

I'd also point out that from the FCS level on down, there are guys who work both there and for the AFL, LFL, etc., so it's not really a move down to go from one to the other - I've seen guys who worked the AFL games out refereeing FCS games (and apparently some also do FBS) games.


Good points, I knew I was probably missing some stuff.... and there is certainly a lot of movement between ref's below the NFL.
 
2012-10-22 02:55:31 PM  
The Dolphins aren't bad. They're in the huge pile of teams that will end up around 8-8. Wouldn't be surprised if they beat the Patriots one week and lost to the Jags or Browns the next.
 
2012-10-22 04:16:40 PM  
The Dolphins are two missed FGs away from being 5-1.
 
2012-10-22 05:26:45 PM  

NashMcNash: IAmRight: Well, the Dolphins are a half-game out of first place in their division and are currently alone in second. Obviously they have an advantage in that they've had a bye week, and this is one of the dumbest things to use...but IF THE SEASON ENDED TODAY, the Dolphins would be a playoff team.

Yes, the AFC sucks that much.

I think the Dolphins are a better team than they get credit for. Had they managed to make a field goal in each of their OT losses, they'd be 5-1. I know a loss is a loss, but they aren't getting blown out.


And they won one because the other team missed a game winner so one of those is a wash.

That being said, they look better than what I thought they would look like at this point in the season. They may have found a QB with tannehill.
 
2012-10-22 06:53:50 PM  
A high school friend of mine played for the Colts during the strike. He was a physical trainer for the team before and afterwards. He played D3 ball in college and had just graduated.
 
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