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2012-10-22 03:37:58 AM
Rofls, we're going to throttle your bandwidth because RIAA says to, then charge you 35 dollars for a review if you want to turn it back to the speed you pay for.
 
2012-10-22 03:42:53 AM
Too sensible, it will never work.
 
2012-10-22 03:54:03 AM
"If a customer feels they are being wrongly accused, they can ask for a review, which will cost them  "

 

Luckily since companies like TimeWarner, Comcast, Verizon and AT&T are known for their friendly, helpful and efficient customer service, this will definitely not be abused... said no one ever.

 

 
 
2012-10-22 04:07:06 AM

firefly212: Rofls, we're going to throttle your bandwidth because RIAA says to, then charge you 35 dollars for a review if you want to turn it back to the speed you pay for.


I read it and imagined people not caring enough to pay, and the copyright owners taking that as an admission of g uilt for later use.
 
2012-10-22 05:09:08 AM

Genevieve Marie: "If a customer feels they are being wrongly accused, they can ask for a review, which will cost them  "

 

Luckily since companies like TimeWarner, Comcast, Verizon and AT&T are known for their friendly, helpful and efficient customer service, this will definitely not be abused... said no one ever.


It's better than being sued and paying out the ass
 
2012-10-22 05:14:17 AM

cman: Genevieve Marie: "If a customer feels they are being wrongly accused, they can ask for a review, which will cost them  "

 

Luckily since companies like TimeWarner, Comcast, Verizon and AT&T are known for their friendly, helpful and efficient customer service, this will definitely not be abused... said no one ever.

It's better than being sued and paying out the ass


But still worse than the RIAA still trying to get that genie back in the bottle.
 
2012-10-22 07:14:12 AM
I wonder what criteria they'll use?

For example, if you use newsgroups with SSL, how will they determine that you're downloading something illegally? What about file sharing sites similar to megaupload? BitTorrent in general? Rather vague of them.
 
2012-10-22 07:19:21 AM

slayer199: you use newsgroups with SSL, how will they determine that you're downloading something illegally?Fark you, pay me. What about file sharing sites similar to megaupload?
Fark you, pay me BitTorrent in general Fark you, pay me


FTFY
 
2012-10-22 07:38:47 AM
The Oatmeal said it the best:
s3.amazonaws.com 


RIAA is trying to cling to a dying way of life. Too may people's wallets are going to get cleaned out for them to go quietly, but it will happen sooner or later.
 
2012-10-22 07:49:46 AM

Nofun: RIAA is trying to cling to a dying way of life. Too may people's wallets are going to get cleaned out for them to go quietly, but it will happen sooner or later.


You'd think the RIAA would have learned. Buying a song on iTunes is relatively inexpensive. Give people a way to get the media they want in a format they want it in...and they'll spend money for it.

And to a lesser extent, so is the MPAA. There's a reason that Netflix doesn't have every movie available for streaming that they do on DVD...it's because the studios don't want them to. People want their media on-demand...and it's part of the reason I dropped Netflix. I'll continue streaming my collection of 750+ movies from my NAS.
 
2012-10-22 07:58:19 AM
I subscribe to Hulu. I also have Netflix. So I do pay for TV content. But until certain networks make their content available on those or a similar service, I will torrent the shiat out of them. And fark iTunes season pass. $25-$35 for each season of the shows I want? Really? I might as well go back to cable.

/Whar Northern Exposure? Whar?
 
2012-10-22 08:09:56 AM
Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?
 
2012-10-22 08:36:47 AM
FTA: If a customer feels they are being wrongly accused, they can ask for a review, which will cost them $35 according to the Verge.

You have got to be farking kidding me.
 
2012-10-22 08:38:30 AM
I read that as my cable bill just went up $35 dollars a month.
 
2012-10-22 08:53:20 AM

GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?


Patience. There eventually will be equilibrium.
 
2012-10-22 09:19:06 AM
Comcast has been doing this for awhile now.

//not that I would know...
 
2012-10-22 09:19:33 AM
I live about a half hour away from Kansas City. After I get done with my degree I am definitely moving to a Google Fiberhood.

AT&T can kiss my white ass.
 
2012-10-22 09:19:48 AM

GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?


That's perfectly free markety. Not a very good business practice, assuming this program runs as efficiently and smoothly as the DMCA nightmare, but a business is allowed to be as shiatty as they want to their customers.

ISPs make far more from the studios than they do from us.
 
2012-10-22 09:20:19 AM

GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?


That's what free markets are all about: corporations are free to bugger you in whichever way they choose.

Perfect Markets are an entirely different kettle of fish.
 
2012-10-22 09:20:46 AM
Cable companies watch everything you do and fark with your service if they disapprove...And that's not 'Orwellian'?
 
2012-10-22 09:20:54 AM

Katie98_KT: Comcast has been doing this for awhile now.

//not that I would know...


Don't download first run movies or music on the Billboard top 40.
 
2012-10-22 09:21:50 AM
Wait, in what way is a constant wiretap and monitoring of internet traffic not Orwellian?

Oh, they just monitor P2P seeds and trace IPs? Well, that's actually pretty reasonable. I mean, they're just monitoring their own product and how it moves, not viewing my IP traffic. Not monitoring me, monitoring their property. That's as reasonable as anyone has any right to expect, actually.
 
2012-10-22 09:24:05 AM

LordJiro: Cable companies watch everything you do and fark with your service if they disapprove...And that's not 'Orwellian'?


It's only Orwellian if the government does it. If businesses do it, it's Patriotic Capitalism, which Jesus loved.
 
2012-10-22 09:26:44 AM
I pay for my ISP. My ISP should pay royalties as it is a conduit for free music, like radio or TV.

Simples.
 
2012-10-22 09:27:05 AM

Dr Dreidel: GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?

That's perfectly free markety. Not a very good business practice, assuming this program runs as efficiently and smoothly as the DMCA nightmare, but a business is allowed to be as shiatty as they want to their customers.

ISPs make far more from the studios than they do from us.


Yep. And good luck having smaller companies start up to compete with the big telecoms and their regional monopolies!

If you don't like Comcast's* service,, you get to eat sh*t.

/*or whichever ISP controls your region.
 
2012-10-22 09:27:53 AM
People are going to realize that creating entertainment takes work and that they aren't entitled to it so they are going to pay the price asked or go without it?
 
2012-10-22 09:28:03 AM
I'm glad I'm using a private tracker. And honestly, I'll just get a seedbox if I start getting warnings about this. it's 10 bucks but that's still way cheaper than cable.

fark you media companies, workarounds are already in place and the more you squeeze the less I'll consume. I have kayaks, a tent, and live in a great area for going outdoors. I already have most of the music I want and there's only two shows that I honestly would be unhappy to miss out on.(Breaking Bad and Doctor Who). Once Breaking Bad is over, BBC is the one I have to worry about.
 
2012-10-22 09:33:16 AM
I will say this though, if you want to eliminate my piracy.

-Eliminate commercials (If I'm going to pay to watch content, don't advertise to me, you're already getting my money)

-Let me watch when I want (The idea of a recurring weekly episode is outdated. Give me the full season at once or release them as soon as editing is done.

-A la carte channel selection. (I don't need shopping channels, hypocritical evangelicals, or anything with the word "Nick" in it.)
 
2012-10-22 09:33:45 AM
So, um, what about people who only stream?

We gonna get nasty letters too?
 
2012-10-22 09:39:54 AM
Guilty until you pay 35 bucks!!!!
 
2012-10-22 09:41:03 AM
What if I DVR a show, then later on download a copy? I've already legally obtained a copy, but would rather have a version that is edited to remove commercials.

Or, i have the channels said show is on, but not the time to record or watch it live, and the channel or provider does not offer a free way to watch the missed show? Why can I not obtain for free that which I already paid for?
 
2012-10-22 09:41:18 AM

dready zim: I pay for my ISP. My ISP should pay royalties as it is a conduit for free music, like radio or TV.

Simples.


That would work, but the RIAA and MPAA would want something like $2000/each per year per customer for "lost revenue." Nevermind that they'd be saving distro costs by letting the torrent networks do their work for them.

mrmyxolodian: Katie98_KT: Comcast has been doing this for awhile now.

//not that I would know...

Don't download first run movies or music on the Billboard top 40.


Or Fox or HBO shows. *finger on side of nose*
 
2012-10-22 09:42:44 AM

Dwight_Yeast: dready zim: I pay for my ISP. My ISP should pay royalties as it is a conduit for free music, like radio or TV.

Simples.

That would work, but the RIAA and MPAA would want something like $2000/each per year per customer for "lost revenue." Nevermind that they'd be saving distro costs by letting the torrent networks do their work for them.

mrmyxolodian: Katie98_KT: Comcast has been doing this for awhile now.

//not that I would know...

Don't download first run movies or music on the Billboard top 40.

Or Fox or HBO shows. *finger on side of nose*


What about porn? Is it still safe to download porn?
 
2012-10-22 09:42:49 AM
I like how all the major ISPs are rolling this out at once, so you can't vote with your dollar and change ISP.
 
2012-10-22 09:43:00 AM

slayer199: GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?

Patience. There eventually will be equilibrium.


Luckily we have Christian Bale to solve that too:
4.bp.blogspot.com

/obscure?
 
2012-10-22 09:44:02 AM

PanicMan: I like how all the major ISPs are rolling this out at once, so you can't vote with your dollar and change ISP.


Not many people have that option to begin with. In many cases, these companies have regional monopolies. Where I like, you virtually have two options for internet service.
 
2012-10-22 09:47:12 AM

rumpelstiltskin: I read that as my cable bill just went up $35 dollars a month.


This will fall to the first class-action lawsuit that comes their way. The ISPs are counting on people saying: "hmm, $35 is way cheaper than court" but meanwhile there will be lawyers looking to cash in. Get enough cases against them, and the payout will be significant enough to justify the legal case.
 
2012-10-22 09:51:55 AM
This Lifehacker article will give you all the info you need to anonymize your bittorrent traffic. I use BTGuard, myself. For 7 bucks a month it it SO worth it. It's not free but seven bucks is worth it for piece of mind. And it does pay for itself in the long run.
 
2012-10-22 09:53:16 AM

slayer199: I wonder what criteria they'll use?

For example, if you use newsgroups with SSL, how will they determine that you're downloading something illegally? What about file sharing sites similar to megaupload? BitTorrent in general? Rather vague of them.


They don't want to admit they can't tell what you're doing with some of that.

What's actually going on is that they monitor torrents and squawk about the IPs they find connected. That means don't use your IP to connect to a torrent of anything they care about. (Movies, games, porn.)

Girion47: I'm glad I'm using a private tracker. And honestly, I'll just get a seedbox if I start getting warnings about this. it's 10 bucks but that's still way cheaper than cable.


Private trackers aren't much protection.

msupf: What if I DVR a show, then later on download a copy? I've already legally obtained a copy, but would rather have a version that is edited to remove commercials.

Or, i have the channels said show is on, but not the time to record or watch it live, and the channel or provider does not offer a free way to watch the missed show? Why can I not obtain for free that which I already paid for?


Yeah. I don't feel I'm committing any sin in tracking down e-versions of books I already own.
 
2012-10-22 09:54:13 AM

Nofun: rumpelstiltskin: I read that as my cable bill just went up $35 dollars a month.

This will fall to the first class-action lawsuit that comes their way. The ISPs are counting on people saying: "hmm, $35 is way cheaper than court" but meanwhile there will be lawyers looking to cash in. Get enough cases against them, and the payout will be significant enough to justify the legal case.


And the result of said hypothetical class-action suit would be a settlement where all who were falsely accused and paid the $35 get a refund of $5.
 
2012-10-22 09:54:31 AM
No they only monitor peer2peer traffic not file lockers or usenet? That seems dumb if their goal is to stop illegal downloading not illegal uploading.
 
2012-10-22 09:55:21 AM

Loren: slayer199: I wonder what criteria they'll use?

For example, if you use newsgroups with SSL, how will they determine that you're downloading something illegally? What about file sharing sites similar to megaupload? BitTorrent in general? Rather vague of them.

They don't want to admit they can't tell what you're doing with some of that.

What's actually going on is that they monitor torrents and squawk about the IPs they find connected. That means don't use your IP to connect to a torrent of anything they care about. (Movies, games, porn.)

Girion47: I'm glad I'm using a private tracker. And honestly, I'll just get a seedbox if I start getting warnings about this. it's 10 bucks but that's still way cheaper than cable.

Private trackers aren't much protection.

msupf: What if I DVR a show, then later on download a copy? I've already legally obtained a copy, but would rather have a version that is edited to remove commercials.

Or, i have the channels said show is on, but not the time to record or watch it live, and the channel or provider does not offer a free way to watch the missed show? Why can I not obtain for free that which I already paid for?

Yeah. I don't feel I'm committing any sin in tracking down e-versions of books I already own.


I know they aren't, but a seedbox is, all the traffic is going to some server and HDD in poland or something, I'd just be doing a direct download from that. It would look like I'm downloading from a private server, not torrenting.
 
2012-10-22 09:56:36 AM

Sick and Tired of Being Sick and Tired: This Lifehacker article will give you all the info you need to anonymize your bittorrent traffic. I use BTGuard, myself. For 7 bucks a month it it SO worth it. It's not free but seven bucks is worth it for piece of mind. And it does pay for itself in the long run.


Interesting. Need moar dirty tricks in thread, please!

Not to be a jerk, but I thought the phrase was 'peace of mind?'
 
2012-10-22 09:57:01 AM
Cox has been doing this for a while now. If you get disconnected, you call them and as long as you 'remove' offending software, they will reactivate your account. At least they did for me when I got dinged a few years ago.
 
2012-10-22 10:00:47 AM

Unoriginal_Username: Cox has been doing this for a while now. If you get disconnected, you call them and as long as you 'remove' offending software, they will reactivate your account. At least they did for me when I got dinged a few years ago.


Cox got me over something from PirateBay, and that was the last time I used it. I just played dumb, "what's a rooter?" and "oh that blinky light thing?". and they turned it back on after I promised to secure my network. Of course the next week I was calling and telling the techs their DNS server was down when they kept blaming my modem. After 10 minutes of arguing "oh I just got a email from our NOC, our DNS servers are down"
 
2012-10-22 10:01:44 AM

Nofun: slayer199: GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?

Patience. There eventually will be equilibrium.

Luckily we have Christian Bale to solve that too:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 468x250]

/obscure?


Good movie, just watched it again on Netflix. Hated the dog scene.

Speaking of Netflix and such other video streaming sites... If they were monitoring my computer, I would be screwed due to the amount of traffic I make playing MMOs and watching Netflix and Youtube for music.

I know, according to the article, that they most likely wont be watching sites like Youtube but who knows. First they start with torrents then they follow up with several sites. Then all the internet.
 
2012-10-22 10:03:08 AM

Cythraul: peace of mind


No, you're right, proofread fail on my part.
 
2012-10-22 10:04:21 AM

firefly212: Rofls, we're going to throttle your bandwidth because RIAA says to, then charge you 35 dollars for a review if you want to turn it back to the speed you pay for.


You know the mob used to do something similar and it was called extortion and made illegal? I assume those laws are still on the books.
 
2012-10-22 10:08:37 AM

slayer199: GAT_00: Don't you just love a free market where the company doesn't require proof of illegal activities to cut your service and you have to pay to try to get your service restored?

Patience. There eventually will be equilibrium.


Bullshiat. The naive idea that it will somehow all work out in the end and therefore companies should be free to screw us is the reason this shiat happens.
 
2012-10-22 10:10:22 AM

Cythraul: Interesting. Need moar dirty tricks in thread, please!


Yeah just be smart and pay for a VPN. That way all your traffic is encrypted. I use IPVanish.
 
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