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(Bay News 9)   A naked woman in Florida walking around the road holding a cross eventually goes home... Just kidding. She eventually gets shot and killed by the cops after some passersby take a few cell phone pics   (baynews9.com) divider line 338
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2012-10-21 11:27:13 PM  

untaken_name: BronyMedic: untaken_name: What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.

So what you're saying is that a cop should be shot or stabbed before they fire upon an armed suspect who's brandishing a weapon at them?

No, they should shoot anyone who makes any kind of motion, in case they're going for a hidden gun.


Even for your usual trolly self, you're wavering wildly from position to position here. You'd do Mitt Romney proud, for the stance you've taken here; you've flip-flopped like a jumping bean on a red-hot skillet. So what exactly IS your position here? You want a suspect to prove they are in fact a threat by doing what exactly? You want the police to wait exactly how long before taking action, and what kind of action? I think we can all agree that waiting till an innocent bystander actually dies is probably too long; but you're saying that if the suspect is merely "brandishing" a weapon, they'd be taking action far too soon.

It would be nice if all cops were such pinpoint sharpshooters they could wait till the suspect actually took up the initial pull on the trigger before they shot him (and didn't have to worry about cadaveric reflex tightening his grip on the trigger); but nobody's that good a shot, of course. And it might be better if there were no crazy people who didn't burst into theaters or public gatherings and just start spraying bullets, so cops had the option to carefully weigh each situation and perhaps talk the suspect down before they opened fire; but alas, such is no longer the case and often police don't have the luxury of waiting to see if a gun-wielding individual is just bluffing. Oftentimes, they must assume that person + gun = lots of dead bodies and have to remove person from equation as quickly as possible, since removing gun usually isn't an alternative.

In either case, pretending that somehow there is a third option between "taking action at first sign of threat" and "taking action only after threat has been verified" merely creates controversy where none exists. Person + gun must = threat in today's world. Sorry, it's the world we live in.
 
2012-10-21 11:30:14 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: mccallcl: powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.

In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here..

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUP!! YER RUINING MY FANTASY OF BEING A HERO WITH MY DICKGUN!!!!


*raises hand*

I have a question. What is it with people who are against guns/sport cars/the like and male genitalia?
 
2012-10-21 11:30:15 PM  

mccallcl: I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal.


Which is not going to be anywhere in the line of fire if the person in question is pointing a gun at the cops. They'd only come into the scene after the person either drops the gun, or is made to drop it through lead poisoning.

You honestly expect someone to run at someone who has a gun and stab them through the shoulder with a syrenge full of haldol? Real life doesn't work like the movies, Kid.

mccallcl: You're mom's a farking troll. They did not properly assess the threat and killed a woman who, as it turns out, was only a danger to herself. These cops made a mistake out of cowardice and thoughtlessness. That mistake resulted in the death of a person. Usually somebody goes in front of a judge when that happens.


I seriously hope you're trolling on this. Do you actually think that someone pointing a gun at the cops is only a threat to themselves? If so, you're the most nieve person I've ever met. Even someone who's seeking to suicide-by-cop is a threat to anyone as long as they get their way.

people.virginia.edu
 
2012-10-21 11:30:23 PM  

BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.


Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.
 
2012-10-21 11:32:14 PM  

GAT_00: ScottRiqui: If a wide, flat stretch of highway has a ridiculously-low speed limit, do you ignore the arguments from hundreds of motorists who have received speeding tickets on that stretch of road? If you ignore them on principle just because they're speeders, you can never proceed to a rational discourse of whether or not the speed limit is in fact too low.

I speed all the time. I expect to get a ticket if I'm caught. I don't think that I'm somehow exempt from the law because I don't like it and I don't expect to get out of a ticket if I get one. Actually, I stay much closer to the limit if I'm not familiar with the roads, but if it's an area I know I'll go the speed I want.

And I'm not going to argue that speed limits should be tossed because I know that's hypocritical.


So a pothead who obeys traffic laws can call for their repeal, and a speeder like gat can call for a continuance of prohibition, but neither has the standing to call for an end to the other law?

What makes your dangerous driving arse fit to tell society about any laws at all? What difference does it make which law a man breaks vs. which he fights against.
 
2012-10-21 11:33:00 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.


Where have I stated I obsess about guns?

I recognize the weapon in that picture from Fallout: New Vegas. That somehow makes someone obsessed about guns?

Apparantly being able to execute a five second google image search makes someone sad.

I brought someone back from the dead today. What have you done with your spare time?
 
2012-10-21 11:34:05 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.


He's a paramedic, last I checked.

In that line of work, it probably helps to know just what kind of damage gunshot wounds can do. So there's that.

/There's also the possibility you're a farking idiot
 
2012-10-21 11:34:27 PM  
"She held the cross up and made a circle like this and said, 'Antichrist, Antichrist, this meeting is over,'" Eylward said. "And as she did that she stopped, turned around and walked back."

I had a roommate who did stuff like this, except not quite so Jesusy (she had a problem with dirt and would carry toilet paper around.) She was schizophrenic. Sometimes she was fine and then she'd just unravel. You never felt like she was dangerous, but it was kind of creepy. Especially when she came in your room in the middle of the night or something.
 
2012-10-21 11:35:01 PM  
www.baynews9.com
bigfoot-sasquatch.yolasite.com
 
2012-10-21 11:35:23 PM  

Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: mccallcl: powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.

In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here..

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUP!! YER RUINING MY FANTASY OF BEING A HERO WITH MY DICKGUN!!!!

*raises hand*

I have a question. What is it with people who are against define themselves with guns/sport cars/the like and male genitalia?
 
2012-10-21 11:36:36 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: mccallcl: powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.

In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here..

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUP!! YER RUINING MY FANTASY OF BEING A HERO WITH MY DICKGUN!!!!

*raises hand*

I have a question. What is it with people who are against define themselves with guns/sport cars/the like and male genitalia?


Dear God! People enjoy things that I don't enjoy. I must overreact immediately!

images.sodahead.com
 
2012-10-21 11:36:39 PM  

GAT_00: ScottRiqui: From your posts, it sounds to me that your biggest argument against legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana is that you don't like most of the people who want it legalized/decriminalized.

Pretty much. And I do think it needs to be examined, but as long as stuff like 4/20 day still happens, that won't get anywhere. And besides, there are so many better things to spend limited political capital on.


I respect your position, but before dismissing the issue out-of-hand as being unworthy of effort, I'd like to see a comprehensive study of how legalization would affect our prison and jail population, both directly by virtue of the users not being incarcerated, as well as the second- and third-order effects from the criminal structure surrounding marijuana growth and distribution being dismantled.
 
2012-10-21 11:41:13 PM  
I want a dick gun....
 
2012-10-21 11:41:58 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: mccallcl: powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.

In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here..

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUP!! YER RUINING MY FANTASY OF BEING A HERO WITH MY DICKGUN!!!!

*raises hand*

I have a question. What is it with people who are against define themselves with guns/sport cars/the like and male genitalia?


I know you're a troll, but seriously. Speak for yourself, at least. Why is it, always, if someone gets a new Corvette or buys a new shotgun or dresses well or has a decent amount of money or anything like that, they're "compensating for something"?
 
2012-10-21 11:43:38 PM  

doglover: I want a dick gun....


Try Etsy. I hear they have all sorts of things for the discerning connesour of wierd crap.
 
2012-10-21 11:43:55 PM  
Gangbangs Gone Bad.
 
2012-10-21 11:44:13 PM  

BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.

Where have I stated I obsess about guns?

I recognize the weapon in that picture from Fallout: New Vegas. That somehow makes someone obsessed about guns?

Apparantly being able to execute a five second google image search makes someone sad.

I brought someone back from the dead today. What have you done with your spare time?


I made a totally awesome omelet from quail eggs and smoked ham. You did say "spare time" right? Not "paid for time" right?

Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.

He's a paramedic, last I checked.

In that line of work, it probably helps to know just what kind of damage gunshot wounds can do. So there's that.

/There's also the possibility you're a farking idiot


You're so cute with that dick in yr mouth!
 
2012-10-21 11:45:40 PM  

KrispyKritter: Fissile: Gyrfalcon: KrispyKritter: i think Gyrfalcon makes some good points. You do too. I've noticed there are people who need adult supervision and/or mental health treatment assistance. And there is no one to call to get it for them. If their immediate family does not take the responsibility to see them through the ordeal, or if the family has tried in the past and hit brick walls, those people are almost doomed to bad times ahead.

There are a lot of damaged people in the hick town where I live. I see daywalkers all over the place. People that either walk around all day because they have nothing to do or no where to go, or they walk very far distances to the grocery store for 1 or 2 items as a way to get out of the house and kill the day. There are others who have a few dollars from inheritance, etcetera, and even though they are on a handful of prescriptions they are driving a car.

We don't have enough people looking out for other people. I don't know how other countries help or treat their mentally ill. The huge warehouses we used to have where everyone was just locked up or sedated isn't the answer. But we do need facilities and we need to have people working there and looking out for and helping these people.

Now that the Boomers are retiring America is going to need a shiatload of senior citizen centers too. Are these needs being addressed by our government? I doubt it. They don't take care of many mentally ill, homeless or veterans right now. I don't expect they will provide help for senior citizens in the future.


=============

The problem is that here in the US of Murica, health insurance is linked to employment, and this is why the mentally ill end up in a Catch-22. When people start losing their grip on reality, they generally become unable to hold down a job, at which time they lose their health insuracne. Without health insurance they can't get treatment for their mental illness that would allow them to reenter society, so their mental state goes from bad to worse until they do something that attracts the attention of the badge-thugs. The ass-clowns in blue only have one tool, a hammer, so they see everything as a nail. In this case the result is a dead naked woman.

It's time for the US to go to single payer health insurance and universal access to health care irrespective of employment status.
 
2012-10-21 11:46:31 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Klan meeting.
Over zealous cops.
Done.


davidphogan: Did she attack them with a cross?


GAT_00: Bit'O'Gristle: vudukungfu: GAT_00: Proving yet again that you should never trust the cops side of the story. It's always a lie.

this

/try rtfa, it says she stole a gun from a man, and that's what she was holding when the officers were forced to put her down.

Right, the naked woman who was previously holding a cross and completely non-violent a short time before she was shot suddenly stole a gun.

If you are dumb enough to believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you.


Is reading the article really that difficult?

FTFA:
David Simpson, who described himself as Swanson's boyfriend, said she was very religious and that she thought "the end times were near." He said she had attended Bible study earlier in the week.

Simpson said deputies found the cross that Collins and Eylward said Swanson had been carrying inside his home after the shooting. Simpson said the investigators told him she had left the cross in his home and taken his antique gun.

The gun is what Simpson said the off-duty officers saw her wielding when they opened fire.


There. How hard was that?
 
2012-10-21 11:46:39 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: I made a totally awesome omelet from quail eggs and smoked ham. You did say "spare time" right? Not "paid for time" right?


Vollys don't get paid for their time. Nice try, though.
 
2012-10-21 11:47:23 PM  

Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: mccallcl: powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.

In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here..

SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUP!! YER RUINING MY FANTASY OF BEING A HERO WITH MY DICKGUN!!!!

*raises hand*

I have a question. What is it with people who are against define themselves with guns/sport cars/the like and male genitalia?

I know you're a troll, but seriously. Speak for yourself, at least. Why is it, always, if someone gets a new Corvette or buys a new shotgun or dresses well or has a decent amount of money or anything like that, they're "compensating for something"?


It makes me feel better about not having any nice things.

Them. I meant them.
 
2012-10-21 11:48:42 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.

Where have I stated I obsess about guns?

I recognize the weapon in that picture from Fallout: New Vegas. That somehow makes someone obsessed about guns?

Apparantly being able to execute a five second google image search makes someone sad.

I brought someone back from the dead today. What have you done with your spare time?

I made a totally awesome omelet from quail eggs and smoked ham. You did say "spare time" right? Not "paid for time" right?

Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

[fc01.deviantart.net image 522x451]

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.

He's a paramedic, last I checked.

In that line of work, it probably helps to know just what kind of damage gunshot wounds can do. So there's that.

/There's also the possibility you're a farking idiot

You're so cute with that dick in yr mouth!


...So...I'm not getting a straight answer, am I?
 
2012-10-21 11:48:54 PM  
biatch had a gun.

Not a fan of trigger happy cops, but

I don't care if you're pointing a Desert Eagle at me or a flintlock from 1650, both can put a hole in my head and I'm not going to react well (not that I ever actually carry, despite my permit)
 
2012-10-21 11:49:18 PM  

untaken_name: ScottRiqui: An armed suspect goes way beyond the pale of simply "something out of the ordinary". Are you seriously advocating for a policy of waiting for an armed, erratic, uncooperative suspect to take the first shot?

What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.


What, you mean terrorists should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a President?

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/09/24/clinton.binladen/index.html
"[Clinton] said he authorized the CIA to kill bin Laden and overthrow the Taliban in Afghanistan after the bombing of the USS Cole in 2000, but the action was never carried out [...] because U.S. intelligence and law enforcement agencies refused to certify that bin Laden was behind the bombing."
 
2012-10-21 11:49:41 PM  

BronyMedic: But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.


And a car driven into your house will kill your family, but we don't shoot every naked asshole we find in a car, do we? We wait for the car to be started, moving, and headed straight towards the house, because otherwise we might just be shooting some Zulu Wars historical re-enactor driving on her way to throw her fake gun down a well. Guns are dangerous, but they are readily available here in the US and often carried around in the woods. You don't get to shoot every person you see with a gun, so neither should cops.
 
2012-10-21 11:51:53 PM  

BronyMedic: You honestly expect someone to run at someone who has a gun and stab them through the shoulder with a syrenge full of haldol? Real life doesn't work like the movies, Kid.


i talked down a dude who was packing (and pointing) heat. apartment common lawn full of people smoking and drinking of an evening; he had been beaten with a metal chair by a guy and i just walked up to him and told him there were elderly people and other innocents amongst us who could be hurt accidentally.

(i was half drunk, and my elderly friend filled me in on the details the next day)
/csb
 
2012-10-21 11:52:05 PM  

Anastacya: Anastacya: I was hoping that the headline was an overzealous lie. Maybe she was tazed and the subby lied (subbies never lie, right?) and she was tazed and confused...

/just wow


Been tazed and confused for so long it's not true
 
2012-10-21 11:52:55 PM  
(i also don't expect a cop to take a bullet before defusing a situation...Dad was a cop)
 
2012-10-21 11:55:58 PM  

ewitz: Anastacya: I was hoping that the headline was an overzealous lie. Maybe she was tazed and the subby lied (subbies never lie, right?) and she was tazed and confused...

/just wow

I do not make overzealous lies... Unless they're kind of funny and this story wasn't funny... I live about an hour away from where this happened.


I agree. I am sorry if my comment didn't clarify that point. I was most certainly not calling you a liar. My comment was more from the disbelief of the entire situation.
 
2012-10-21 11:56:08 PM  

mccallcl: BronyMedic: But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

And a car driven into your house will kill your family, but we don't shoot every naked asshole we find in a car, do we? We wait for the car to be started, moving, and headed straight towards the house, because otherwise we might just be shooting some Zulu Wars historical re-enactor driving on her way to throw her fake gun down a well. Guns are dangerous, but they are readily available here in the US and often carried around in the woods. You don't get to shoot every person you see with a gun, so neither should cops.


...None of what you said just now made any sense. None of it. At all. Zero. Zip. Bubkes. I'd respond intelligently, but my brain still hurts from the reboot your word salad just forced on me. For one thing, if you know that someone's aiming a car at your house with murderous intent AND you let them get as far as starting it, then you've already farked up. And...

...nope, just tried to consider the rest of that mess and I'm rebooting again.

/ow
 
2012-10-21 11:56:50 PM  

MurphyMurphy: biatch had a gun.

Not a fan of trigger happy cops, but

I don't care if you're pointing a Desert Eagle at me or a flintlock from 1650, both can put a hole in my head and I'm not going to react well (not that I ever actually carry, despite my permit)


What if they were harrasing the naked lady and didn't disclose that they were cops?
 
2012-10-21 11:57:30 PM  

mccallcl: BronyMedic: But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

And a car driven into your house will kill your family, but we don't shoot every naked asshole we find in a car, do we? We wait for the car to be started, moving, and headed straight towards the house, because otherwise we might just be shooting some Zulu Wars historical re-enactor driving on her way to throw her fake gun down a well.


I want you to say something with me.

Real life does not work like Hollywood.

Say that with me nice and slow. Wait a moment before typing a rebutal. Let that thought permiate through your brain for a second, and override the wishful thinking you demonstrate.

In addition, your argument is a fallicious comparison. If you are naked, in a car, and driving with the intent of running someone over, that is very damn well a justified reason for the use of deadly force. Someone who's ran a car through a house is no longer a threat.

mccallcl: Guns are dangerous, but they are readily available here in the US and often carried around in the woods. You don't get to shoot every person you see with a gun, so neither should cops.


So what you're saying is a flint lock or percussion lock pistol can't kill someone? Because if so, hundreds of thousands of people who died in the time before the use of cartridges in weapons might beg to differ on that.

If someone pulls a gun on me, Tennessee state law states that I have no duty to retreat, and I can shoot them dead on the spot out of fear of my life. If you draw a gun on the cops, and you make any intention known that you're going to go active, they could empty two magazines a piece into you and it'd be kosher.

It'd be nice if everyone was Arnold Schwarzenegger in Last Action Hero and could simply wrestle a gun away, but that's no real life.
 
2012-10-21 11:58:27 PM  

BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I made a totally awesome omelet from quail eggs and smoked ham. You did say "spare time" right? Not "paid for time" right?

Vollys don't get paid for their time. Nice try, though.


Damn dude, if you're an interwebs Lazarus motherfarker you should at least get paid! I mean hell, I walked on water today, but only after I got cash $50 in hand. Sucker!
 
2012-10-21 11:59:24 PM  

ras django: (i also don't expect a cop to take a bullet before defusing a situation...Dad was a cop)


My dad was a cop. He thinks shooting this woman and killing her, ESPECIALLY after multiple people didn't see her as a threat, is one of those "will cover this shiat up because we are cops" things.

This is a tragic loss of life. The cops involved will twist it how they like. This is, after all, America. If you aren't rich, you deserve it.
 
2012-10-21 11:59:39 PM  

mccallcl: BronyMedic: But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

And a car driven into your house will kill your family, but we don't shoot every naked asshole we find in a car, do we? We wait for the car to be started, moving, and headed straight towards the house, because otherwise we might just be shooting some Zulu Wars historical re-enactor driving on her way to throw her fake gun down a well. Guns are dangerous, but they are readily available here in the US and often carried around in the woods. You don't get to shoot every person you see with a gun, so neither should cops.


Actually, if they're hostile, they don't need to have a gun.
 
2012-10-22 12:03:50 AM  
Can we stop calling them "The Police" and start calling them "Roving Government Death Squads"?
 
2012-10-22 12:04:27 AM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I made a totally awesome omelet from quail eggs and smoked ham. You did say "spare time" right? Not "paid for time" right?

Vollys don't get paid for their time. Nice try, though.

Damn dude, if you're an interwebs Lazarus motherfarker you should at least get paid! I mean hell, I walked on water today, but only after I got cash $50 in hand. Sucker!


Behold. The holy spirit!
 
2012-10-22 12:04:39 AM  

mediablitz: ras django: (i also don't expect a cop to take a bullet before defusing a situation...Dad was a cop)

My dad was a cop. He thinks shooting this woman and killing her, ESPECIALLY after multiple people didn't see her as a threat, is one of those "will cover this shiat up because we are cops" things.

This is a tragic loss of life. The cops involved will twist it how they like. This is, after all, America. If you aren't rich, you deserve it.


To be fair, those two people (Collins and Eylward) saw her before she went to her boyfriend's house and traded the cross for a gun.
 
2012-10-22 12:05:07 AM  

doglover: mccallcl: BronyMedic: But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

And a car driven into your house will kill your family, but we don't shoot every naked asshole we find in a car, do we? We wait for the car to be started, moving, and headed straight towards the house, because otherwise we might just be shooting some Zulu Wars historical re-enactor driving on her way to throw her fake gun down a well. Guns are dangerous, but they are readily available here in the US and often carried around in the woods. You don't get to shoot every person you see with a gun, so neither should cops.

Actually, if they're hostile, they don't need to have a gun.


The American mindset on display. You deserve to be shot.

It's truly amazing to me what the right wing has managed to accomplish in 30 years. You have no right to privacy. You have no rights period. You are lucky you have a job and should bow down and be thankful.

We aren't far from being China, thanks to the sycophants in this country. Give it 15-20 years...
 
2012-10-22 12:05:29 AM  

nmemkha: Can we stop calling them "The Police" and start calling them "Roving Government Death Squads"?


Because various groups of people from various countries in Europe and the Middle East might have a problem with that catagorization?
 
2012-10-22 12:05:44 AM  
Clutch2013: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

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This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

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Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.

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Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.

Soooo, you obsess about guns but don't even shoot them, somehow that makes you...even sadder.

He's a paramedic, last I checked.

In that line of work, it probably helps to know just what kind of damage gunshot wounds can do. So there's that.

/There's also the possibility you're a farking idiot

You're so cute with that dick in yr mouth!

...So...I'm not getting a straight answer, am I?



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2012-10-22 12:06:18 AM  

mediablitz: The American mindset on display. You deserve to be shot.


No, no. We pay cops to get beaten within an inch of their life, or get stabbed.

It's totally in their job descriptions.
 
2012-10-22 12:06:52 AM  

ScottRiqui: mediablitz: ras django: (i also don't expect a cop to take a bullet before defusing a situation...Dad was a cop)

My dad was a cop. He thinks shooting this woman and killing her, ESPECIALLY after multiple people didn't see her as a threat, is one of those "will cover this shiat up because we are cops" things.

This is a tragic loss of life. The cops involved will twist it how they like. This is, after all, America. If you aren't rich, you deserve it.

To be fair, those two people (Collins and Eylward) saw her before she went to her boyfriend's house and traded the cross for a gun.


It is still "shoot first, ask questions later" regarding a mentally ill person. Simple as that.
 
2012-10-22 12:08:47 AM  

mediablitz: ScottRiqui: mediablitz: ras django: (i also don't expect a cop to take a bullet before defusing a situation...Dad was a cop)

My dad was a cop. He thinks shooting this woman and killing her, ESPECIALLY after multiple people didn't see her as a threat, is one of those "will cover this shiat up because we are cops" things.

This is a tragic loss of life. The cops involved will twist it how they like. This is, after all, America. If you aren't rich, you deserve it.

To be fair, those two people (Collins and Eylward) saw her before she went to her boyfriend's house and traded the cross for a gun.

It is still "shoot first, ask questions later" regarding a mentally ill person. Simple as that.


Please quote where that is a listed policy, or educational practice, of any department in the United States.

people.virginia.edu

In fact, the move towards training officers in crisis intervention and mental health emergencies in general across the United States would seem to contradict your claim, wouldn't it?
 
2012-10-22 12:09:00 AM  

BronyMedic: mediablitz: The American mindset on display. You deserve to be shot.

No, no. We pay cops to get beaten within an inch of their life, or get stabbed.

It's totally in their job descriptions.



Yes. This naked, mentally ill woman was going to beat them within an inch of their life.

You can't even make a farking relevant argument, you are so far in the bag for getting you ass kicked for any reason. My dad's partners thank you for being a willing participant.
 
2012-10-22 12:10:11 AM  
Amos Quito

And this is why cops should not be allowed near guns.

Well, I have no problem with them being in front of them.
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2012-10-22 12:11:19 AM  

BronyMedic: nmemkha: Can we stop calling them "The Police" and start calling them "Roving Government Death Squads"?

Because various groups of people from various countries in Europe and the Middle East might have a problem with that catagorization?


I admit my comment is hyperbole, but if the shoe fits? Police in other parts of the world are violent corrupt thugs. I guess it was hubris to think we could avoid the spread of such corruption and abuse of power indefinitely.
 
2012-10-22 12:11:52 AM  

BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: Serious Post on Serious Thread: I made a totally awesome omelet from quail eggs and smoked ham. You did say "spare time" right? Not "paid for time" right?

Vollys don't get paid for their time. Nice try, though.

Damn dude, if you're an interwebs Lazarus motherfarker you should at least get paid! I mean hell, I walked on water today, but only after I got cash $50 in hand. Sucker!

Behold. The holy spirit!


HOLY SHIAT! YR NICK CAGE? I LOVED you in Raising Arizona and Leaving Las Vegas, but what the hell was up with Face Off and Ghost Rider. Not cool man, not cool at all.
 
2012-10-22 12:12:12 AM  

BronyMedic: Please quote where that is a listed policy, or educational practice, of any department in the United States.


Seriously? That is how far up the police's ass you are? You are pretending there is no grey area that is traversed daily? No laws on the books that make it simple for you to be arrested when "needed"? No "stop resisting" errors that are prevalent?

You think posting a meme makes it all okay? A funny picture? THAT is your answer?

I have a dad who is a retired cop. He LAUGHS at how you defend the indefensible. No. they won't let you suck their cock...
 
2012-10-22 12:13:43 AM  

mediablitz: Yes. This naked, mentally ill woman was going to beat them within an inch of their life.


No. She's just going to point an "antique pistol" at them. Totally the same thing.

I've had my ass kicked by a schizophrenic patient before. It's not fun. I've also been one of thirteen people to wrestle down someone my size who was on PCP.

Each of these situations are completely different than the one you are commenting on. Any type of non-violent mediation goes out the window when a weapon comes out.

mediablitz: You can't even make a farking relevant argument, you are so far in the bag for getting you ass kicked for any reason. My dad's partners thank you for being a willing participant.


I'm sorry, relevant arguments? You're the one claiming that the cops are trained to shoot the mentally ill.

mediablitz: It is still "shoot first, ask questions later" regarding a mentally ill person. Simple as that


You don't like it when people point out your wrong, do you?
 
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