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2012-10-21 10:53:20 PM

ScottRiqui: An armed suspect goes way beyond the pale of simply "something out of the ordinary". Are you seriously advocating for a policy of waiting for an armed, erratic, uncooperative suspect to take the first shot?


What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.
 
2012-10-21 10:54:03 PM

untaken_name: You tell me. That's your bailiwick


I'm not the one who's made a lot of posts on hyperbolic sarcasm about all cops, buddy, by this event. Or who's advocated that someone shoot a cop before they are shot themselves.

And 1690 called. They want their language back, buddy.
 
2012-10-21 10:54:45 PM

BronyMedic: Yes, he is advocating that. That is a position he's taken in past cop threads, even if it wasn't about questionable circumstances.

untaken_name is also one of the farkers, I believe, who thinks that a cop should just shoot the gun out of their hand, or wrestle it away rather than killing someone. After all, that's what they're paid to do.


Right. Just shoot the crazy naked chicks and 10 year olds with waterguns because maybe, in some scenario that hasn't ever actually happened, they *could* maybe take a shot at a cop. We can't have cops being put in danger - taking risks isn't in the job description.
 
2012-10-21 10:55:05 PM

untaken_name: What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.


So what you're saying is that a cop should be shot or stabbed before they fire upon an armed suspect who's brandishing a weapon at them?
 
2012-10-21 10:55:20 PM

BronyMedic: untaken_name: You tell me. That's your bailiwick

I'm not the one who's made a lot of posts on hyperbolic sarcasm about all cops, buddy, by this event. Or who's advocated that someone shoot a cop before they are shot themselves.

And 1690 called. They want their language back, buddy.


I'm not your buddy, friend.
 
2012-10-21 10:55:26 PM

untaken_name: ScottRiqui: An armed suspect goes way beyond the pale of simply "something out of the ordinary". Are you seriously advocating for a policy of waiting for an armed, erratic, uncooperative suspect to take the first shot?

What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.


You have gotten so many bites it's quite impressive
 
2012-10-21 10:55:55 PM

BronyMedic: untaken_name: What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.

So what you're saying is that a cop should be shot or stabbed before they fire upon an armed suspect who's brandishing a weapon at them?


No, they should shoot anyone who makes any kind of motion, in case they're going for a hidden gun.
 
2012-10-21 10:57:00 PM

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: untaken_name: ScottRiqui: An armed suspect goes way beyond the pale of simply "something out of the ordinary". Are you seriously advocating for a policy of waiting for an armed, erratic, uncooperative suspect to take the first shot?

What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.

You have gotten so many bites it's quite impressive


He's good.
 
2012-10-21 10:57:07 PM

untaken_name: BronyMedic: untaken_name: What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.

So what you're saying is that a cop should be shot or stabbed before they fire upon an armed suspect who's brandishing a weapon at them?

No, they should shoot anyone who makes any kind of motion, in case they're going for a hidden gun.


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-10-21 10:57:58 PM
PRO TIP: Use the nightstick on the unarmed

media1.gameinformer.com
 
2012-10-21 10:58:01 PM
David Simpson, who described himself as Swanson's boyfriend, said she was very religious and that she thought "the end times were near."

And she was right.
 
2012-10-21 10:58:05 PM

GAT_00: What I argue from is I see no reason to listen to someone who is committing a criminal act tell me why they shouldn't be treated as a criminal. You wouldn't listen to a robber tell you why robbery should be legal because they don't want to go to jail. You don't listen to a speeder who says there shouldn't be speed limits because they don't want to pay the fine. It's stupid.


Again, I can see where you're coming from. But it goes without saying that anyone who is currently criminalized by a particular law is going to support the repeal/reform of that law. As such, I don't think it's any kind of a valid test for whether or not the law should be changed. Taken by itself, it's certainly not sufficient reason NOT to consider changing the law.

If a wide, flat stretch of highway has a ridiculously-low speed limit, do you ignore the arguments from hundreds of motorists who have received speeding tickets on that stretch of road? If you ignore them on principle just because they're speeders, you can never proceed to a rational discourse of whether or not the speed limit is in fact too low.
 
2012-10-21 10:58:08 PM
This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

www.thenerdlist.com
 
2012-10-21 10:58:16 PM
Have the Mormons baptized her yet?
 
2012-10-21 10:58:25 PM

doglover: SirDigbyChickenCaesar: untaken_name: ScottRiqui: An armed suspect goes way beyond the pale of simply "something out of the ordinary". Are you seriously advocating for a policy of waiting for an armed, erratic, uncooperative suspect to take the first shot?

What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.

You have gotten so many bites it's quite impressive

He's good.


If he had this much enthusiasm at work he might get moved up to fries one day
 
2012-10-21 10:58:29 PM
Farking cops.

/poor naked lady
 
2012-10-21 10:59:07 PM

FF Mac: Fail subby...even TFA says she pointed a gun at them. Should the cops ask people if the gun works or not before protecting themselves?

But hey, this is Fark. Why let facts get in the way of your cop hate.

/meow


um the article says "Deputies have not confirmed that Swanson was holding the antique gun at the time of the shooting".....thanks for reading.
 
2012-10-21 11:00:33 PM

phrawgh: Have the Mormons baptized her yet?


She hasn't been dead a year, Snarky McSnarktroll.
 
2012-10-21 11:01:45 PM

untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]


This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

www.gunblast.com

www.theboxotruth.com

www.shootersforum.com
 
2012-10-21 11:02:16 PM

ISO15693: phrawgh: Have the Mormons baptized her yet?

She hasn't been dead a year, Snarky McSnarktroll.


Why the wait?
 
2012-10-21 11:02:28 PM
*sigh*
 
2012-10-21 11:03:21 PM

GAT_00: ScottRiqui: GAT_00: Smackledorfer: asking them to risk more to satisfy your principle that potheads shouldn't get what they want.

By everyone's arguments ever, potheads are not violent. What is the risk in arresting someone stoned?

You obviously have strong opinions on the subject, so perhaps you've answered this question in the past - how do you rationalize a society where alcohol is legal (subject to restrictions) and marijuana isn't? I can't help but think that if the practice of drinking alcohol had never begun, and it were suddenly introduced tomorrow, that it would/should be treated the same way we're currently treating marijuana. Does alcohol enjoy the protection it does for any reason other than longevity/tradition?

Basically, I see no real reason to change the status quo. I wouldn't argue to decriminalize alcohol, but I wouldn't argue to criminalize it either. If pot was legal, I wouldn't argue to criminalize it. I have no problem with the people who don't use pot who want it legalized, but best I can tell, that is a small minority of the legalization supporters. What I argue from is I see no reason to listen to someone who is committing a criminal act tell me why they shouldn't be treated as a criminal. You wouldn't listen to a robber tell you why robbery should be legal because they don't want to go to jail. You don't listen to a speeder who says there shouldn't be speed limits because they don't want to pay the fine. It's stupid.

And I have no problem with the penalties being reduced, drastically even. It is stupid that possession carries heavier sentence than it has any right too. So change the penalties. But you still have to watch the above. And be careful about the arguments you make. There is no rights violations when it comes to drug use, like the guy upthread with the abolition argument.


That is quite the hard line approach for a cop hater.

You cannot find goodness in the pothead, but the cops should pause when a gun is pointed at them and take the time to break out the beanbags.

Strange dichotomy. So basically you are a hardline authoritarian (criminals are criminal) but hate those who enforce your laws?

How do you feel about immigration (which yes, has plenty of criminal statutes)? Surely we cannot change immigration laws at the behest of those who have broken them? In fact, like those filthy hippies, immigration must be fully enforced until the illegals stop having an opinion.

You really show your true self in these threads.
 
2012-10-21 11:03:31 PM

ISO15693: phrawgh: Have the Mormons baptized her yet?

She hasn't been dead a year, Snarky McSnarktroll.


Since when has death ever stopped them from converting someone to their religion?
 
2012-10-21 11:04:15 PM

ScottRiqui: If a wide, flat stretch of highway has a ridiculously-low speed limit, do you ignore the arguments from hundreds of motorists who have received speeding tickets on that stretch of road? If you ignore them on principle just because they're speeders, you can never proceed to a rational discourse of whether or not the speed limit is in fact too low.


I speed all the time. I expect to get a ticket if I'm caught. I don't think that I'm somehow exempt from the law because I don't like it and I don't expect to get out of a ticket if I get one. Actually, I stay much closer to the limit if I'm not familiar with the roads, but if it's an area I know I'll go the speed I want.

And I'm not going to argue that speed limits should be tossed because I know that's hypocritical.
 
2012-10-21 11:05:07 PM

phrawgh: ISO15693: phrawgh: Have the Mormons baptized her yet?

She hasn't been dead a year, Snarky McSnarktroll.

Why the wait?


To see if anyone cares.
 
2012-10-21 11:05:21 PM

untaken_name: ScottRiqui: An armed suspect goes way beyond the pale of simply "something out of the ordinary". Are you seriously advocating for a policy of waiting for an armed, erratic, uncooperative suspect to take the first shot?

What, you mean people should have to prove that they are actually a threat, not just perceived to be one in the paranoid mind of a cop? Gee, what a strange concept.


I'm not sure what you're trying to do here but if it is anything aside from "trolling for lulz" you're failing pretty hard. However, if it IS "trolling for lulz" then my hat's off to you. Keep up the good work
 
2012-10-21 11:05:53 PM
Why not help her the first time they met? Did they laugh their asses off at the crazy biatch with the cross? Did she return with a gun , crazy, pissed, and an actual threat?
 
2012-10-21 11:06:56 PM

wellreadneck: Why not help her the first time they met? Did they laugh their asses off at the crazy biatch with the cross? Did she return with a gun , crazy, pissed, and an actual threat?


Helping her would violate her First Amendment right to the freedom of religion, Sir.

Why are you a red communist?
 
2012-10-21 11:07:45 PM
ya know if cops had pursued a policy of shooting bare naked ladies historically, we could have been saved from some very catchy, very annoying Canadian pop
 
2012-10-21 11:08:26 PM
The important thing here is that the man who had a restraining order and had an order to turn in his weapons was ignored, but the naked woman was shot to death.

Because gun laws are worthless, unless you are the police, and can shoot anyone you want.

Link

Clearly, the answer is we have more people carrying guns. Isn't that ALWAYS the answer?
 
2012-10-21 11:09:14 PM

skullkrusher: ya know if cops had pursued a policy of shooting bare naked ladies historically, we could have been saved from some very catchy, very annoying Canadian pop


images2.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-10-21 11:09:46 PM
Subby's headline twists around what actually led up to her being shot, one being that she re-appeared with a weapon (not that it should be an excuse for cops to blast everyone away. Don't they train on the firing range?)
 
2012-10-21 11:12:27 PM

sleep lack: Was she hot?


dunno but I'm sure she is cold now.

/1 ticket
 
2012-10-21 11:12:28 PM

phrawgh: ISO15693: phrawgh: Have the Mormons baptized her yet?

She hasn't been dead a year, Snarky McSnarktroll.

Why the wait?


The Mormon rituals are a bastardized version of the Masonic rituals. They take a bit of time to practice and get proficient in. It's not just the old guys doing the work, you have to make sure the young guys learn the ritual as well.

/need to study the G Lecture some more
 
2012-10-21 11:13:39 PM

BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]


???
 
2012-10-21 11:14:39 PM

GAT_00: ScottRiqui: If a wide, flat stretch of highway has a ridiculously-low speed limit, do you ignore the arguments from hundreds of motorists who have received speeding tickets on that stretch of road? If you ignore them on principle just because they're speeders, you can never proceed to a rational discourse of whether or not the speed limit is in fact too low.

I speed all the time. I expect to get a ticket if I'm caught. I don't think that I'm somehow exempt from the law because I don't like it and I don't expect to get out of a ticket if I get one. Actually, I stay much closer to the limit if I'm not familiar with the roads, but if it's an area I know I'll go the speed I want.

And I'm not going to argue that speed limits should be tossed because I know that's hypocritical.


So, only those without experience with a subject matter should be consulted on the validity of a law concerning said subject?

You realize there are both areas without speed limits and areas where pot is legal, right?
 
2012-10-21 11:15:02 PM

powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.


In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here.

SirDigbyChickenCaesar: It's a troll, he has no answer to that.


You're mom's a farking troll. They did not properly assess the threat and killed a woman who, as it turns out, was only a danger to herself. These cops made a mistake out of cowardice and thoughtlessness. That mistake resulted in the death of a person. Usually somebody goes in front of a judge when that happens.
 
2012-10-21 11:16:03 PM

GAT_00: ScottRiqui: If a wide, flat stretch of highway has a ridiculously-low speed limit, do you ignore the arguments from hundreds of motorists who have received speeding tickets on that stretch of road? If you ignore them on principle just because they're speeders, you can never proceed to a rational discourse of whether or not the speed limit is in fact too low.

I speed all the time. I expect to get a ticket if I'm caught. I don't think that I'm somehow exempt from the law because I don't like it and I don't expect to get out of a ticket if I get one. Actually, I stay much closer to the limit if I'm not familiar with the roads, but if it's an area I know I'll go the speed I want.

And I'm not going to argue that speed limits should be tossed because I know that's hypocritical.


But do you agree with my point that the fact that people currently criminalized by a law support its repeal/reform says absolutely nothing one way or the other as to whether the law needs to be re-examined?

From your posts, it sounds to me that your biggest argument against legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana is that you don't like most of the people who want it legalized/decriminalized.
 
2012-10-21 11:17:47 PM
Zimmerman is automatically president.
 
2012-10-21 11:18:53 PM
Way to mislead you miserable jerkwad. Neighbor interviewed said she dropped the cross and got a gun which she was waving around when the police shot her.
 
2012-10-21 11:19:16 PM
The Lord works in mysterious ways.
 
2012-10-21 11:20:19 PM

slayer199: Amos Quito: And this is why cops should not be allowed near guns.

Didn't anyone RTFA?

It's the cops' fault that she was wielding a gun? When the cops are overzealous, I'm one of the first people to shout about it (case and point, the kid that allegedly shot himself while handcuffed in the back of a squad car).

Yes, she was crazy. But she also went home and picked up a gun. At that point there's no way for the cops to know it couldn't fire. I supposed farkers would be happier if cops get shot in these situations.



As I said in a subsequent post, the article you see now has been MODIFIED. There was no mention of the woman having a GUN in the original, they only said that she had earlier been carrying a CROSS, and that she had "threatened" the cops with an unidentified weapon - which I assumed must have been the cross.

Make sense?
 
2012-10-21 11:22:07 PM

BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]


Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.
 
2012-10-21 11:22:17 PM

GAT_00: Smackledorfer: GAT_00: Proving yet again that you should never trust the cops side of the story. It's always a lie.

And yet you support the drug war that has directly resulted in more crime and more risk for cops, leading them deeper into militarization.

I don't care what the penalties are. I just refuse to change laws because criminals want the laws to change. It's this thing called nuance that so many people are completely unable to get.


Nuance, huh? Your attitude would have prevented the first Prohibition from being repealed. It would have prevented laws against miscegenation from being overturned. It would have prevented almost all civilized advances in our justice system.

Get a clue. Some laws are simply bad, and should be overturned even if "criminals" want themoverturned. If you still have trouble with this concept, consider that certain criminals, such as powerful and ruthless drug lords, would really hate to see the drug war ended. Someone who actually understood the concept of nuance would perhaps consider whether it's better for society if drug users or drug lords are unhappy .
 
2012-10-21 11:24:37 PM

Serious Post on Serious Thread: BronyMedic: untaken_name: This is what cops perceive as a threat deserving of deadly force:

[www.thenerdlist.com image 480x360]

This is what an idiot thinks is a water pistol.

[www.gunblast.com image 640x480]

[www.theboxotruth.com image 540x404]

[www.shootersforum.com image 512x404]

Let me guess, you have a lot free time you fill with shooting guns. Life well spent, tard.


fc01.deviantart.net

Actually, I haven't shot a gun since basic training. But it doesn't take an idiot to understand that a .45-70 Goverment shot from a lever action rifle will punch a hole the size of a fist through someone.
 
2012-10-21 11:25:35 PM

skinink: Subby's headline twists around what actually led up to her being shot, one being that she re-appeared with a weapon (not that it should be an excuse for cops to blast everyone away. Don't they train on the firing range?)


I'll need to here it from the a non cop that the buck naked lady suddenly procured a gun and brandished it.
 
2012-10-21 11:25:52 PM

mccallcl: powerplantgirl: Please tell me how you're supposed to tell from any amount of distance that a gun is loaded and operational.

In that same situation, because I don't have a gun or a badge on me when I get drunk in the woods at night, I would call more people, get some lights on the scene, get some medical and psychiatric help, try to talk it out, piss my pants, cast Magic Missle, whatever not-gun-using options were at my disposal. I would figure that she's been assaulted, in a car wreck, or escaped from a hospital or mental ward and needs my help. Whatever I noticed in her hand would be secondary because I don't approach every situation looking for a threat to my pussy-ass life. Not that I'm not a pussy, I just can't shoot people with impunity so it changes my tactics a little bit. I probably wouldn't leave her wandering around and go somewhere else to get a gun, because another gun is not what the situation calls for. Less guns is the desired effect here..


SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUP!! YER RUINING MY FANTASY OF BEING A HERO WITH MY DICKGUN!!!!
 
2012-10-21 11:26:09 PM

ScottRiqui: From your posts, it sounds to me that your biggest argument against legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana is that you don't like most of the people who want it legalized/decriminalized.


Pretty much. And I do think it needs to be examined, but as long as stuff like 4/20 day still happens, that won't get anywhere. And besides, there are so many better things to spend limited political capital on.
 
2012-10-21 11:26:16 PM

Fissile: Gyrfalcon: KrispyKritter: when you are attending group therapy in a locked mental health hospital ward they emphasize the importance of proper behavior in public. because the police will neither know or care that you are not properly medicated, are suffering a breakdown or are simply having a horrible mental health day. you, as a mental health patient, are told that you have to present yourself in a presentable and non-threatening manner. i don't understand how you are supposed to look and act like everything is just fine when you are in bits and pieces, but that's what they tell you.

There is, or should be, a learning curve on both sides. Crazy people should learn or at least understand that the cops do not realize what they are facing is a mentally ill person having problems; cops should learn or at least understand that what they are facing is not just a crackhead being defiant. And to be fair to both sides, things have gotten (marginally) better than they used to be.

What needs to happen, of course, is that mentally ill people need to understand AND be able to get help BEFORE they are in "bits and pieces" as you say; they need to have both the insight and the ability to get their meds adjusted or therapy, or their housing taken care of or whatever stressors are causing their breakdowns BEFORE it reaches the level of seeing space aliens landing in Dealey Plaza. Police, on their side, need to realize that just because a person doesn't react instantly when they scream "GET ON THE GROUND NOW!!!!!" does not mean that that person is going to kill them in the next second, but may simply need more time to process the statement, or may need a better explanation of what is required. Assessing police for combat shock might be in order as well--mentally ill people aren't the only ones experiencing life stressors nowadays.

============

Right, but this here is the US of Murica. When a person goes mental.....like when someone over 19 years of age believes the US governmen ...


i think Gyrfalcon makes some good points. You do too. I've noticed there are people who need adult supervision and/or mental health treatment assistance. And there is no one to call to get it for them. If their immediate family does not take the responsibility to see them through the ordeal, or if the family has tried in the past and hit brick walls, those people are almost doomed to bad times ahead.

There are a lot of damaged people in the hick town where I live. I see daywalkers all over the place. People that either walk around all day because they have nothing to do or no where to go, or they walk very far distances to the grocery store for 1 or 2 items as a way to get out of the house and kill the day. There are others who have a few dollars from inheritance, etcetera, and even though they are on a handful of prescriptions they are driving a car.

We don't have enough people looking out for other people. I don't know how other countries help or treat their mentally ill. The huge warehouses we used to have where everyone was just locked up or sedated isn't the answer. But we do need facilities and we need to have people working there and looking out for and helping these people.

Now that the Boomers are retiring America is going to need a shiatload of senior citizen centers too. Are these needs being addressed by our government? I doubt it. They don't take care of many mentally ill, homeless or veterans right now. I don't expect they will provide help for senior citizens in the future.
 
2012-10-21 11:27:11 PM

Anastacya: I was hoping that the headline was an overzealous lie. Maybe she was tazed and the subby lied (subbies never lie, right?) and she was tazed and confused...

/just wow


I do not make overzealous lies... Unless they're kind of funny and this story wasn't funny... I live about an hour away from where this happened.
 
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