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2012-10-21 06:22:16 PM  
12 votes:

Voiceofreason01: What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"


What I do on my commute is try to get from my home to work and back, safely, and with minimal hassle. Commuting is not a sport.

If I was driving on a track, I'd definitely want a manual transmission. But shuttling back and forth to work at butt-thirty in the morning when I haven't had enough coffee? Automatic is just fine for that.
2012-10-21 06:56:03 PM  
9 votes:
Driving A Stick In Rush Hour Traffic Is A Pain In The Ass.
2012-10-21 08:09:26 PM  
7 votes:
Aw, look... the people who are most likely overcompensating for some other shortcoming are coming out to talk about how they need a big stick in their hand to feel manly.

Manuals are for alright for racing, I guess. Otherwise, they're pointless.
2012-10-21 10:13:24 PM  
6 votes:
Why can't we all get along?

Manual is great for many things, and it generally keeps drivers more attentive, and engaged in driving.

Automatic is great for heavy traffic, and dealing with heavy loads, and is less of a pain in my leg on long trips.

Flappy paddles are an abomination, not unlike white chocolate, and should be met with disdain at every opportunity.

Seriously though, through many years of technological advances, automatic transmissions are no long the sloppy laggy things they once were.

When Mclaren says "The auto is just as good as the manual" I tend to believe them.

I still prefer to drive my manual. I have no issue with anyone who chooses otherwise.

I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one. (along with how to change a tire, check oil.. etc)
2012-10-21 09:29:10 PM  
5 votes:
I think a manual tranny keeps you more actively engaged in driving because you have to pay attention more.

I like manual transmissions, but in the city, they're just a pain in the ass.
In heavy city traffic, it's like driving a peddle car.
2012-10-21 06:14:02 PM  
5 votes:
What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"
2012-10-21 09:40:40 PM  
4 votes:
Automatic transmission is to driving as masturbation is to sex
2012-10-22 01:46:57 AM  
3 votes:
Any moron can learn to drive stick. But it takes a special kind of moron to take any pride in an accomplishment of that particular magnitude.

Notice I didn't say you shouldn't have an opinion, or that there aren't reasons to prefer manual to automatic. And we could have a nice gearheady conversation about relative fuel efficiency and maintenance costs all day long. But that's where most of the frothy rage comes from in stick-threads. People whose major life accomplishment is being trivialized.
2012-10-22 12:01:44 AM  
3 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: Automatic transmission is to driving as masturbation is to sex


In that we all masturbate far, far more than we take admit to, and the people most vocal about sex are those least likely to be regularly engaged in it?
2012-10-22 08:56:19 AM  
2 votes:
Funny how all the author talks about is speed. Probably because he's trying to push a bias and doesn't want non-aligned facts being brought into the picture he's trying to paint.

Do I care about speed in my stick-shift ecobox? Heck no. I care about more control, better milage, and the fact that replacing a worn out clutch costs less than a tenth of the price as replacing a broken automatic transmission. That last one is particularly important: Clutch gone bad on a stick-shift? You're out $200, tops. Transmission go kaput on an automatic? May as well just go buy a new car - it'll be cheaper.
2012-10-22 07:29:25 AM  
2 votes:
I suppose you manual tranny types also want an old-timey crank handle sticking out of the front bumper. Might as well. It's also another obsolete feature of cars that serves no purpose.

iasshole.org
2012-10-22 06:53:27 AM  
2 votes:
Why would I pay thousands of dollars for something I don't need? Automatic transmissions are a waste of money for those of us who don't need them.
2012-10-22 02:52:55 AM  
2 votes:

Hand Banana: I wonder if people had this much trouble letting go of crank starters?


Crank starters caused injuries. Electric starter motors were not a radical increase in complexity, and they didn't affect the way the car was driven.

Automatic transmissions are unnecessary complexity in the system. They are there for convenience only. They do not inherently improve safety or performance. Some people prefer the convenience to simplicity. Others prefer the mechanical simplicity to the convenience.
2012-10-22 02:52:23 AM  
2 votes:
Is this a shifter car? I cannot drive a shifter car, alright, so we got a little situation here. I can't drive these kinda cars! What the fark is goin' on! You think that's funny? Would you like to know, smartass? Would you like to know why I can't drive this kinda car? I'll tell you why, I'm used to luxury cars. Have you ever heard of a luxury car? You know what luxury means? Ever heard of Cadillac, Cadillac Eldorado? That's what I drive. I drive cars that shift themselves.
2012-10-22 02:45:24 AM  
2 votes:
Oh for Fark's sake, just drive what you prefer and that which is best suited to your style of driving.
2012-10-22 02:21:29 AM  
2 votes:
I have an automatic transmission. I also don't start my car by turning a crank because we have a device that does that for us so we don't have to do it ourselves anymore.

SCIENCE!
2012-10-22 01:29:30 AM  
2 votes:
Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.
2012-10-22 01:15:34 AM  
2 votes:
Cars. One of the most worthless "hobbies" out there. "Yippie! I can drive a car! I have monkey level intelligence and can work a basic mechanical machine while polluting the environment, not to mention increasing the dependency on fossil fuels as well as helping them get more expensive because I spend it on useless shiat like driving around for no reason."
2012-10-22 01:07:06 AM  
2 votes:
I really don't get people who think driving needs to be an "experience" I want a vehicle to safely and reliably carry me from point a to point b, that's it, I can drive a manual but at this point I prefer an automatic
2012-10-21 11:30:12 PM  
2 votes:
I like driving a manual.

But I could give a crap if you do.

The arguments pro and con are idiotic.

Its personal taste, mine of course is better.
2012-10-21 10:31:12 PM  
2 votes:
Actually, the thing I like most about driving a manual is that it tells me more about what is going on with my car, and the road.

I'll know a lot faster if I the roads are slick, if I have a tire going down... if my engine is missing on acceleration, etc from driving a manual.

That is why I think everyone should learn to drive one. It teaches you things you need to be paying attention to, so you know more about what happens when you press the gas and the car starts to move (or doesn't)

Whether you continue to drive one is absolutely up to you, but you should KNOW how to drive one, and drive one in conditions like rain and snow so you know how the car will behave. It is much better to find that out at low speed than high.
2012-10-21 09:52:47 PM  
2 votes:
I do 90% of my driving in the inner-city (where i live) and the CBD. I can't stand manual.

Then again, i'm on a motorbike 95% of the time so...
2012-10-21 08:36:25 PM  
2 votes:

Ambivalence: My car has flappy pedals and I like it.


Same here. The dual-clutch on my GTI is a bit quirky sometimes but I would really rather not drive stick where I live.
2012-10-22 01:08:36 PM  
1 votes:

Gdiguy: I kind of think it's just a matter of where you're driving to ask the question of "fun"

Driving around town stopping at traffic lights / stop signs, manual is kind of a pain in the ass (and especially if you're in an area with a lot of hills... I don't know how you could drive around San Francisco in a manual without being some sort of masochist)

However, I drove an ex gf's manual car from SF to LA, and I have to admit that it was much more fun than doing the same drive in an automatic. I'm sure it's partly just due to the increased activity involved, but I do agree that there's something about having to pay attention to the car that makes it more enjoyable on the highway.


Hills are not as much of a problem in newer manuals. They've come up with a solution to that in a lot of newer manual transmissions. We just got a '13 Jetta with a manual transmission, it has an anti-hill-roll thing in it. It's probably the easiest manual transmission I've ever driven, but it's still loads funner to drive than our other car which has an automatic in it.

Stop and go traffic is less of an issue if you're not humping the bumper of the car in front of you. I've driven a manual transmission in several large cities I've visited or lived in. Give a little space in front of you, maintain a fairly constant speed and you're going to have less leg burning clutch presses. Yes, people will take advantage, but you won't be wearing your leg or your brakes out (which makes this technique good for a stick or an automatic). 

I prefer manual transmissions. They're more control in all situations that you should have more control over. Downshifting for large slopes, slippery conditions and general driving.

Automatic transmissions are starting to make parity with fuel economy now, primarily because the manufacturers are finally putting similar numbers of gears in the automatic transmissions as they have had for the manual transmissions for years. Both our automatic transmission and manual transmission vehicles have five speed transmissions. The big difference is that the automatic transmission has a $700+ premium to buy one initially, and are much more expensive to replace or repair than the much simpler manual transmission.
2012-10-22 12:10:01 PM  
1 votes:
I sort of feel like anyone with an automatic doesn't get to complain about gas prices ever again. If you're concerned with fuel economy why did you deliberately choose a car which is less economical? Or, in the case of modern autos, if you're concerned with saving money why did you just spend $40k on a car? It's as logically consistent as eating everything you can possibly get your hands on and then complaining that what you're eating isn't healthy.

I'd also agree with the comment up there about the Gawker network being mostly sensationalistic garbage these days, and I don't even particularly disagree with the conclusion of the article.
2012-10-22 10:39:42 AM  
1 votes:
Manual Transmission =\= Stick Shift.

A stick shift is an old method of transmission that happens to be manual. "Manual Transmission" means that the human driver choses the gear, not the automatic transmission computer. Seeing as how the human can actually put the current rev-level and speed in context with what is coming up on the racetrack, the human is in a bettter place to make that decision than a box in the undercarriage of the car.

As others have pointed out, the vehicle the dumbass author of the article referred to actually has a MANUAL transmission (human controlled flappy-paddles that direct the computer transmission controller to shift gears).
2012-10-22 10:39:13 AM  
1 votes:
I prefer to have my hand on my lady than my own stick.
2012-10-22 10:28:21 AM  
1 votes:

FourPetesake: I would love to learn how to drive a manual...I've had several people attempt to teach me and I just can't get it. I had my husband's '70 VW Beetle going pretty well around a parking lot, but it immediately stalled as i pulled out on the road. Same thing with my dad and brother's trucks when they tried to teach me. Embarrassing...I swear i'm not a terrible driver, just can't get the hang of manual.


Do you think any of us had the clutch mastered when we first got on the road? Driving stick is the only cure for stalling stick. Get a manual beater and drive it everywhere for as long as it holds up. If you're still struggling on flat ground after a year, _then_ you can worrying about not getting the hang of it.
2012-10-22 10:13:09 AM  
1 votes:

WhiskeyBoy: I can say that the flappy paddle is the way to go. But it has to be the real flappy paddle. Not the tiptronic (or whatever it's callled) flappy paddle. A real flappy paddle allows you to drop a gear when another automatic wouldn't let you do it for fear of hurting the car. \

Oh, and for God's sake everyone, learn to at least change a tire on your own. It's a necessary life-skill.

Mose: Alonjar: Oh whatever, you guys know what i meant... foot activated clutch while driving.

A lot of gripes manual drivers have against automatics are directly regarding the torque converter-planetary gearset combination and how it's controlled.

An F1 car transmission is closer to what people used to say was a manual transmission in that it has a clutch and a constant mesh gearbox, even though when moving, the clutch is computer controlled, the shifting is by wire and it has a sequential shift mechanism.

This is why I've given up on having an intelligent discussion on this topic with people who don't have at least a cursory understanding of the devices behind the firewall, under the floorboard or in the tunnel.




Well said!
2012-10-22 09:46:06 AM  
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: evoke: These thread are always interesting. You've got the elitists, versus the people who are insecure about their own capabilities: "Yes, I can't drive a manual, so what, don't you dare imply that I am not perfect!!"

I can drive a manual, and it is vastly overrated, especially when it comes to city driving.


Driving is overrated when it comes to city driving.
2012-10-22 09:40:16 AM  
1 votes:

evoke: These thread are always interesting. You've got the elitists, versus the people who are insecure about their own capabilities: "Yes, I can't drive a manual, so what, don't you dare imply that I am not perfect!!"


I can drive a manual, and it is vastly overrated, especially when it comes to city driving.
2012-10-22 08:56:42 AM  
1 votes:
After a few decades of shifting, I just got tired of it.

Besides, cars and trucks are just a tool for transportation. If it goes from Point-A to point-B with the least amount of fuss and cost, who really cares?
2012-10-22 07:42:21 AM  
1 votes:
What your future transmission looks like.
www.ctiautomation.net
2012-10-22 07:37:11 AM  
1 votes:
Screw the whole debate about what's more efficient/enjoyable/faster/necessary... what IS a fact is that if we forced everyone on the road today to drive manual, the 60% of the populace who have their craniums inside their rectal cavity and do things like change lanes without signaling, refuse to merge when a lane tells them to merge so that they back up traffic and cause an accident, go 10 under in the fast lane, tailgate, stop in the middle of merge lanes and generally just act like clueless dickheads then these people would not be on the road. People of such low moral and intellectual caliber that can't do something as simple as pay attention don't deserve to be on the road, period, and a manual transmission would do a fine job of weeding them out, or at the very least converting some of them to semi-responsible drivers. I take my driving *very* seriously because it's not my job to make others' lives more difficult and endanger them, and it seems as though very few people do the same.

Granted, I live primarily in the DC metro area, and the one time I drove in New York I almost wept tears of joy at how polite and efficient drivers there are.
2012-10-22 06:30:38 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: Right. There are absolutely no differences in performance between the manuals and automatics, under any conditions. That's what you're sticking to. It's all just fashion and price.


You have seen through my charade. You have once again bested me in verbal combat and torn asunder my claim that in many situations that are faced by people (not even the avalanches and blizzards that you normally contend with), an automatic is simply incapable of dealing with snow.

I don't know why I lied. I guess I just wanted to be cool. But you wouldn't let me. I will take this new knowledge, and your psychological diagnosis of my ineptitude, to try and become a better person. A person who will drive a manual. A person who will deliver scorn and disdain on those who do not support our way of life. TO THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION!
2012-10-22 06:05:27 AM  
1 votes:
the fun part of driving a manual is being able to tell the car exactly what to do at any time

the practical side of driving a manual is getting better gas mileage

the big downside of driving a manual is if you live in someplace with steep roads

also stop & go traffic with a manual will make you want to shoot yourself
2012-10-22 05:46:38 AM  
1 votes:
Manuals are mechanically simpler, more versatile, get better fuel economy and give more control of the vehicle and are hence safer.
Autos (torque converters, double clutch etc) are much less of a pain in stop/start conditions like congested cities.

Most people live in cities.

But manuals give you much more insight into what the machine is doing and needs, whereas autos tend to encourage a kind of laziness and disinterest which is dangerous to public safety in my view.
But autos have been around for so long and there's so much tech in vehicles now. As a result some modern drivers are so disinterested in, and almost hostile to the concept of, taking an active interest in the lethal weapon they are legally in charge of that the damage is done.
Driver training and enforcement is the answer.
2012-10-22 05:04:29 AM  
1 votes:

Lenny_da_Hog: There are so many talented trolls on Fark. You are not among them.


Those are legitimate responses from me. I apologize if you feel you're being trolled. But I do suppose that claim is easier than responding to my initial (and very real, I'll reiterate) position that your notions are extremely situational and plain dumb, respectively.
2012-10-22 04:47:03 AM  
1 votes:
The stick-shift is the pleasure center of the vehicle. Automatic means your just steering and pushing the faster pedal.
2012-10-22 04:35:20 AM  
1 votes:
Bought one of these in my second season of racing... Installed it on my first F1 chassis.

www.translogicuk.com

It shifts a great deal faster than I ever could with my foot. Blink-of-the-eye-wide-open-throttle shifting. Also includes launch control, traction control, and auto blip on downshifts. It convinced me that flappy paddle was the way to go when it comes to high performance.

Here's video of a test run after I got the system installed and dialed in... listen to how fast it bangs through the gears... Translogic Test Run ~ CSR chassis / CBR1000RR powerplant
2012-10-22 04:26:26 AM  
1 votes:

incrdbil: Manual transmissions hold no advantage over automatics in performance.


Please see my above post on the RX-8, and get your lying head out of your ass. It's blocking the flow of shiat so much it seems to be flowing over into your keyboard.
2012-10-22 04:19:00 AM  
1 votes:
Manual transmissions hold no advantage over automatics in performance. Automatics, by and large, now perform as well or better. Manuals may, for now, be cheaper. As with all dwindling items of outdated technology that mainly have 'purist' appeal, and serve no real valid purpose, that may change over time.

That said, some people have fun with them. I'm all fine with that. If you have fun driving, then have fun with a manual. Your definition of the 'pure' driving experience has no meaning beyond you. A stick shift makes you feel connected? Good for you. My rear end in the seat makes me feel just as connected, but that's just me.
2012-10-22 03:45:59 AM  
1 votes:
A modern automatic is just fine with me. Unless you are a truly skilled driver the savings in fuel or power delivery are non-existent.

The only reason to drive a manual anymore is for fun and feel. And it stops being fun after about the third week of stop and go traffic if you live in a more urban area.



It seems that people can find just about anything to be snobbish about.
2012-10-22 03:32:01 AM  
1 votes:
I don't care what you guys drive, the bus I catch is big enough for me not to care.
2012-10-22 03:04:59 AM  
1 votes:

Chariset: Manual transmission is so much more fun, but I'd rather have automatic in the city.

(Though I hate feeling my engine 'argue' with me when I tell it to accelerate)


My 2012 Outback has a CVT. The car is *always* in the right gear. They give you a flappy paddle shifter, but I have yet to improve on either fuel economy or performance trying to outsmart the computer.

And considering that most of my miles are ariubd the Beltway in DC, if I was still driving a stick shift, I'd be on the shoulder with a deer rifle by now.
2012-10-22 02:47:54 AM  
1 votes:

Hand Banana: I wonder if people had this much trouble letting go of crank starters?


Funny you mention that. I once met a guy who claimed to be an ex-engineer for General Motors. He asked me if I knew the reasons behind the invention of the electric starter. I said I did, because of the son of Cadillac's CEO who died from an would he received when the crank stuck to the shaft and flew around and hit him in the jaw on a winter morning. He said that was a true story, but not the real reason why. Car manufactures are norotrious for avoiding recalls that have cost people their lives, so it's not like they were being noble in the first place.

Before the electric starter, vehicles were notoriously difficult for the average person to start. You'd have to flip switches to engage your electrical circuit for the dyno, open the valve for the fuel supply, etc. It was difficult because people were stupid. Cadillac knew as well as others that there are more stupid people willing to part with disposable income than there are smart people. So if they could find a way to simplify the starting and operation of an automobile, they could sell more cars by opening up sales to segments of dumb people who otherwise couldn't/wouldn't have bought one previously. So it goes with automatic spark adjustment, electric choke, and of course automatic transmissions.

If you can understand that, then you can understand how the automotive industry operates, and why it always has been that way. But more importantly, what's the big demographic as well that hates stick shifts to the point where they refuse to learn how to operate them?

1.bp.blogspot.com
2012-10-22 02:42:05 AM  
1 votes:
You know, people talk, but it's weird to really think about -- the whole Gawker network has turned into sensationalist garbage.
2012-10-22 02:39:49 AM  
1 votes:

whidbey: Ogre840: Art of Manliness: Every Man Should Know How to Drive Stick

Oh so it's a manly thing now.

Wow, the ideologies people come up with to ritualize such anachronistic technology.


Drive whatever you want. I hate automatics. I hate pretty much everything about them. I hate the technology of the toque converter. The newer electronic transmissions are less terrible efficiency wise but the standard toque converter in an automatic transmission amounts to up to 15% HP loss and commensurate loss in fuel economy as well as thermal degrade of materials due to the friction. Practically, in terms of energy efficiency, standard automatic transmissions are a loser. I could see past that if they actually offered something in terms of reliability or lifespan to the vehicle, instead they do the exact opposite. I've fixed a 45 y/o manual gear box with a pipe wrench and a hammer on the side of the road. I wouldn't even bother trying to fix an automatic, just buy a new one.

Automatic transmissions are useful to some people and in some very limited circumstances they can be beneficial, but to call manual transmissions outmoded is much the same as calling steering wheels and rear-view mirrors outmoded. They're relatively simple applications of technology that could be replaced by grossly over complex applications of technology to serve the same purpose, although no where near as efficiently or reliably.

Oh, and flappy pedals makes it feel like you're driving a go-cart or playing a video game. It doesn't feel like driving, it feels like playing a rather silly driving sim. And it doesn't matter how fast you're going.
2012-10-22 02:23:00 AM  
1 votes:
One thing that automatic has over manual is that if your wrists are farked up from multiple bouts of tendinitis, you can still drive relatively comfortably.

As for my own personal preference... is the car in good shape, get decent MPG, and get me where I need to go with minimal bother? Then I wouldn't care if it was auto or stick.

/sticking to auto, though
//yeah, my wrists do suck
2012-10-22 02:16:40 AM  
1 votes:
I prefer a manual.

If you prefer an auto, good for you, wish manufacturers would make both available for all interesting vehicles.
2012-10-22 02:05:11 AM  
1 votes:
My car is manual, my bicycle is fixed gear.

It's all about that feel. You can take your time trials and statistics and techno-chauvinism, but I will ALWAYS prefer the experience that comes from a purely mechanical connection between human and machine.

When I drive automatic, the car simply doesn't respond like I want it to. When I drive my brother's new fangled DCT, it still doesn't respond like I want it to, despite perhaps producing superior track performance.

There is no substitute for being mentally and physically involved in the workings of your machine.
2012-10-22 01:53:24 AM  
1 votes:
I bought a car with a stick because a manual transmission generally gives you better gas mileage. It's less costly to repair than an automatic, and, it pretty much doubles as a built-in anti-theft device.
2012-10-22 01:40:41 AM  
1 votes:
Remember, all consumer choices are a statement of superiority and must be defended with machismo.
2012-10-22 01:36:21 AM  
1 votes:
When my manual went and I had to replace my clutch, it cost me a weekend a few hundred bucks (and a case of beer.)
When my automatic went, it cost me $3100 to get replaced. Stupid mysterious piston/channel-driven piles of crap.

I have my preference...
2012-10-22 01:31:48 AM  
1 votes:

Bonzo_1116: Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.


Or keep a $10 pair of jumper cables under your seat?
2012-10-22 01:28:00 AM  
1 votes:
This article isn't about "automatics". It's about the new generation of electronic, dual-clutch, high-performance transmissions that happen to be paddle-shifted because the driver can't shift them anywhere near as fast as the computer. If all you've driven are manual transmission or traditional automatics (some even with paddle shifters) then you really have no idea what's going on in the modern performance car. There's a reason Ferrari doesn't offer manual transmission on the 458, and the only reason other sports car makers still have manual is to assuage traditional buyers.

From the article: "Take a current Nissan GT-R to a race track and drive it as fast you can. Then tell me it would be better with a manual gearbox. It just wouldn't be. Your corner speeds will be slower, your straight-line speeds will be slower, and your lap times will be slower. If you drive a GT-R on track and don't feel engaged, well, then you just aren't going fast enough."

Welcome to the 21st century.
2012-10-22 01:24:56 AM  
1 votes:
It's amazing the number of people who think we give a shiat that they drive manual.

/Only Came To Comment About How Farking Annoying The Headline Is
2012-10-22 01:23:05 AM  
1 votes:
lol I prefer manual, but the pissing contest in here is kind of ridiculous.

Whatever gets you from Point A to Point B.

Not all of us are car-culture driven auto enthusiasts.
2012-10-21 11:36:24 PM  
1 votes:

weave: Luthien's Tempest: Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either

1-800-AAA-HELP

You're welcome


September 17th, 1999. 19:30 A HOT sticky friday night.
Driver is 9 mos pregnant. Blown tire, just north of I-275 on I-71 in Cincinnati. (Suburban Area)
(I mention she was 9 mos pregnant because that is why she did not change her own tire)

AAA Response time. 3.5 HOURS

You go ahead and call AAA if you wanna. The rest of us have stuff to do, places to go.

Last fall I broke a lug nut lock changing a tire on my RX-8. The nearest AAA center to me is less than 5 miles. The one they dispatched was over 25 miles away. It took over 2 hours for them to dispatch the wrong truck (I told them it would take a flatbed, they didn't believe me, so they had to dispatch ANOTHER truck from another location) and it was 7 hours before my car was at a shop... which was less than 4 miles away.

Screw AAA
2012-10-21 11:24:01 PM  
1 votes:

Luthien's Tempest: Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either


1-800-AAA-HELP

You're welcome
2012-10-21 11:01:35 PM  
1 votes:

Dead for Tax Reasons: Automatic transmission is to driving as masturbation is to sex


Automatic transmission is like watching someone else masturbate.

Manual transmission is like a three day orgy on a millionaire's yacht.
2012-10-21 10:53:06 PM  
1 votes:
A Gawker site ginning up a fake argument to drive pageviews? Surely not.
2012-10-21 10:39:52 PM  
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: Actually, the thing I like most about driving a manual is that it tells me more about what is going on with my car, and the road.

I'll know a lot faster if I the roads are slick, if I have a tire going down... if my engine is missing on acceleration, etc from driving a manual.

That is why I think everyone should learn to drive one. It teaches you things you need to be paying attention to, so you know more about what happens when you press the gas and the car starts to move (or doesn't)

Whether you continue to drive one is absolutely up to you, but you should KNOW how to drive one, and drive one in conditions like rain and snow so you know how the car will behave. It is much better to find that out at low speed than high.


I know that rather quickly driving an automatic. Granted driving a manual trans forces you to be more attentive, but that's not to say you can't be just as attentive on an automatic.
2012-10-21 10:36:27 PM  
1 votes:

Shadow Blasko: I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one.


Agreed, but a friend of mine made an interesting point. "I want my son to learn to drive a manual, but where the hell do I find one? Unless you have a friend's manual you can borrow for an afternoon, teaching kids how to drive one is going to be a hassle. Not impossible, but a hassle when you and your wife's cars are both automatics. This is true in America, at least. In Europe and many other places, the 11 year-old paper boy already knows how to drive a stick.

I learned from a friend in high school, but this was in the early 90s when manuals were still somewhat common.

CSB alert: About a year ago I was out with some friends, and this one girl got too drunk to drive. So I offered, having a friend follow to take me back. She asked if I could drive a stick. When I got to the vehicle, I was honestly shocked that it was a brand new Saturn Vue, or similar small SUV/crossover whatever. When I smiled and complimented her for driving a stick she said, "I had to wait three weeks to get one with a manual. I farking hate automatics."

As you can presume, I fell in love right on the spot. We dated for a few months.
2012-10-21 10:21:33 PM  
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When I drive a car (I'm longtime motorcycle commuter and don't even own a car anymore), I'm always struck by how motherfarking boring automatics are. All I'd need is "Scarborough Fair" on the radio and I'd instantly fall asleep. Americans might love them, but I think automatics are a threat to liberty. This is what the terrorists wanted.

Even a '92 Toyota Camry is fun as hell to drive when it has a stick.
2012-10-21 10:01:26 PM  
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Oddly the worst drivers I know are typically the ones who biatch about people who don't drive stick and about how they're not really driving. They always seem to think they're a good driver and it's everyone else on the road that sucks, but when I'm in the car with them I agree with everyone else on the road who the problem really is.
2012-10-21 09:51:02 PM  
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Cewley: steering and pushing the gas pedal is not driving.


Gotta be baking a cake while bathed in disco lights and fog. Now THAT'S driving!
2012-10-21 09:27:49 PM  
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Manual transmission is so much more fun, but I'd rather have automatic in the city.

(Though I hate feeling my engine 'argue' with me when I tell it to accelerate)
2012-10-21 07:34:15 PM  
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steering and pushing the gas pedal is not driving.
2012-10-21 07:13:53 PM  
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'Manual elitists,' as I call them, will shirk the notion that a car without a third pedal can be engaging to drive. They say that it isn't pure, it isn't as much fun, they don't feel connected.

Bull. Take a current Nissan GT-R to a race track and drive it as fast you can. Then tell me it would be better with a manual gearbox. It just wouldn't be. Your corner speeds will be slower, your straight-line speeds will be slower, and your lap times will be slower.


Hey, moron. The GT-R has a flappy-paddle transmission. Numbnuts.

media.caranddriver.com

The point of the manual transmission is being able to control the torque output of the engine by selecting which gear you're in, not to have something to do with your hand other than scratch your balls.
2012-10-21 06:55:44 PM  
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R.A.Danny: Travis is a girl's name.



You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the fark do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK.
2012-10-21 06:32:39 PM  
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A man needs to constantly meet and master risk. Risk like that of stalling out at a red light or backing into a lamp post. An automatic never provides these things.
2012-10-21 06:31:48 PM  
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Travis is a girl's name.
2012-10-21 06:20:24 PM  
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Voiceofreason01: What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"


streetsblog.net

/GIS for "distracted driving"
 
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