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2012-10-22 09:25:39 AM
I love my new manual Tacoma. I am one with my truck.
 
2012-10-22 09:27:34 AM

Dimensio: DarthBart: For a grocery getter, eh, a slushbox is fine.

I disagree: my bicycle uses a manually controlled gearshift.


You're just a holdout to old tech. I know secretly you want a Landrider Elite with AUTOSHIFT.
 
2012-10-22 09:29:59 AM
I have an autotrans in an eminently forgettable auto. It gets great mileage, it's about as cutting edge as a grade 8 bolt and starts every time.

I have a motorcycle for driving.

I don't live in Kansas. I live in New England, home of the original twisted highway engineer. I have a lot of challenging roads around that are best enjoyed on a motorcycle, @ 50+mpg
 
2012-10-22 09:30:03 AM

ph0rk: Those are fun, but I wish they wouldn't make the instrument display so childish in the newest ones. No one over 25 wants any of that ridiculous red flashy crap, or a VTEC light.


But don't you have to be over 25 to be able to remember the 'VTEC just kicked in, yo!' meme? Of what purpose is the light, if you can't?
 
2012-10-22 09:30:34 AM
When you have to go out of you way to get a manual transmission, it's not really standard, is it? Automatic is the new standard.
 
2012-10-22 09:30:38 AM

Monirae: I love my new manual Tacoma. I am one with my truck.


[Irrelevant comparison to some obscure mechanism within a Space Shuttle. Hey, they both have payload beds, therefore...]
 
2012-10-22 09:36:53 AM
These thread are always interesting. You've got the elitists, versus the people who are insecure about their own capabilities: "Yes, I can't drive a manual, so what, don't you dare imply that I am not perfect!!"
 
2012-10-22 09:38:45 AM

incrdbil: Manual transmissions hold no advantage over automatics in performance.


Bullshiat.

Five years ago I went looking for a Honda Element. I drove a half dozen of them, all barely had the power to get out of their own way.

Last one I drove was a stick shift. I was in a cold sweat merging onto a state highway from the dealers parking lot. By the time my test drive was over I couldn't get my wallet out fast enough.
 
2012-10-22 09:40:04 AM
When I was a young'un, my dad pointed out that all the 'transmission repair shops' were 'automatic transmission repair shops' and there was 2-3 in most towns .. I do most maintenance on my vehicles (tires and alignment excluded, you need big pricey equipment for those jobs) .. that's why I prefer standard .. and at least my 1.7l civic can get out of it's own way with a stick ..
 
2012-10-22 09:40:16 AM

evoke: These thread are always interesting. You've got the elitists, versus the people who are insecure about their own capabilities: "Yes, I can't drive a manual, so what, don't you dare imply that I am not perfect!!"


I can drive a manual, and it is vastly overrated, especially when it comes to city driving.
 
2012-10-22 09:41:36 AM

NephilimNexus: Funny how all the author talks about is speed. Probably because he's trying to push a bias and doesn't want non-aligned facts being brought into the picture he's trying to paint.

Do I care about speed in my stick-shift ecobox? Heck no. I care about more control, better milage, and the fact that replacing a worn out clutch costs less than a tenth of the price as replacing a broken automatic transmission. That last one is particularly important: Clutch gone bad on a stick-shift? You're out $200, tops. Transmission go kaput on an automatic? May as well just go buy a new car - it'll be cheaper.


Know how I can tell you haven't replaced a clutch in 30 years? You're old and wrong.
 
2012-10-22 09:41:49 AM
My Mazda 5 has a manual transmission. The dealer had to order it from another dealer 300 miles away. They are getting harder and harder to find. My last one was automatic, and this one is far more fun to drive. Well, as fun as a station wagon/ minivan can be.
 
2012-10-22 09:43:05 AM

petec: When I was a young'un, my dad pointed out that all the 'transmission repair shops' were 'automatic transmission repair shops' and there was 2-3 in most towns .. I do most maintenance on my vehicles (tires and alignment excluded, you need big pricey equipment for those jobs) .. that's why I prefer standard .. and at least my 1.7l civic can get out of it's own way with a stick ..


Technology has definitely stood still since your father was a young man. He probably showed you how to replace tubes in the TV, and I'm sure you still buy TV sets where it's easy to replace the tubes.
 
2012-10-22 09:45:43 AM

nopokerface: I have a GT-R. It is a blast to drive. There's no way I could shift as fast as it does, and I grew up driving "manuals".

/quotation marks because shifting with paddles is manual shifting, too.


if you can't stall it, it ain't a manual ..
 
2012-10-22 09:46:06 AM

LoneWolf343: evoke: These thread are always interesting. You've got the elitists, versus the people who are insecure about their own capabilities: "Yes, I can't drive a manual, so what, don't you dare imply that I am not perfect!!"

I can drive a manual, and it is vastly overrated, especially when it comes to city driving.


Driving is overrated when it comes to city driving.
 
2012-10-22 09:46:38 AM
I have driven manual transmission vehicles my entire life. My most recent new car is manual and it will be my last. I've had my clutches last in all other cars for 100k+ miles, but my most recent new car's clutch fried at month 13 with 6k miles on the odometer. I complained a few weeks after I bought it that the clutch wasn't disengaging and engaging properly, but the dealers said their mechanics thought it was fine.

Now I am out of a nice chunk of change to get this repaired because clutches are only covered for 12 months / 12k miles. Going to buy an automatic next time because they are covered under warranty for more than a year.
 
2012-10-22 09:48:36 AM

browntimmy: Yeah, manual transmission is great for those situations which you'd like to, but never are, in. Unless you live in Bumblefark, Arkansas or do all your driving at 2am, driving is a farking chore.


I greatly disagree. I like driving. Even now that my DD is an automatic. My cars were manual, manual, and now auto. My next will be a manual. I also have two motorcycles. Driving is enjoyable. Driving a manual makes it more enjoyable. If you live where it snows it makes it safer too.

If you see driving as a chore, then stick to autos. All you care about is the destination. Which is fine. But some of us actively enjoy the journey as well.
 
2012-10-22 09:51:10 AM

petec: if you can't stall it, it ain't a manual ..


I was not aware of this little known codicil to the manual transmission requirements canon.
 
2012-10-22 09:53:08 AM

Monirae: I love my new manual Tacoma. I am one with my truck.


I feel the same way about my Frontier. One with the road, one with the truck.
 
2012-10-22 09:53:56 AM
Moron author obviously has never driven a high-end stick on an Autobahn.
 
2012-10-22 09:56:28 AM
I can understand how some people get hard ons about the cars they drive or how they drive them, but to me, a car is nothing more than a device to get me, and sometimes passengers and/or cargo, from point A to point B. Nothing more.
 
2012-10-22 10:03:45 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Aw, look... the people who are most likely overcompensating for some other shortcoming are coming out to talk about how they need a big stick in their hand to feel manly.

Manuals are for alright for racing, I guess. Otherwise, they're pointless.


You are a moron.
 
2012-10-22 10:07:13 AM
Which type of driver is more likely to take their car to the dealer to replace light bulbs?
 
2012-10-22 10:07:54 AM
Non synchronized "crash" gear boxes are the only true driving.
 
2012-10-22 10:08:22 AM

ghare: NephilimNexus: Funny how all the author talks about is speed. Probably because he's trying to push a bias and doesn't want non-aligned facts being brought into the picture he's trying to paint.

Do I care about speed in my stick-shift ecobox? Heck no. I care about more control, better milage, and the fact that replacing a worn out clutch costs less than a tenth of the price as replacing a broken automatic transmission. That last one is particularly important: Clutch gone bad on a stick-shift? You're out $200, tops. Transmission go kaput on an automatic? May as well just go buy a new car - it'll be cheaper.

Know how I can tell you haven't replaced a clutch in 30 years? You're old and wrong.


Not having to replace a clutch for thirty years is a viable selling point.
 
2012-10-22 10:09:29 AM
Do foreign manufacturers make cars with acceptable automatic transmissions? Both VW and Honda seem to suuuuck at it.
 
2012-10-22 10:10:23 AM

incrdbil: Manual transmissions hold no advantage over automatics in performance.



You realize that statement is completely inaccurate, right?

The traditional "automatic" transmissions that are installed in your average commuter POS are significantly less efficient than a manual transmission.

Now, if you are talking about a DSG box, which is a computer controlled standard transmission, that is something different entirely.
 
2012-10-22 10:10:54 AM

Big_Fat_Liar: Which type of driver is more likely to take their car to the dealer to replace light bulbs?


The automatic driver. The manual driver is too broke to f*ck with it.
 
2012-10-22 10:13:09 AM

WhiskeyBoy: I can say that the flappy paddle is the way to go. But it has to be the real flappy paddle. Not the tiptronic (or whatever it's callled) flappy paddle. A real flappy paddle allows you to drop a gear when another automatic wouldn't let you do it for fear of hurting the car. \

Oh, and for God's sake everyone, learn to at least change a tire on your own. It's a necessary life-skill.

Mose: Alonjar: Oh whatever, you guys know what i meant... foot activated clutch while driving.

A lot of gripes manual drivers have against automatics are directly regarding the torque converter-planetary gearset combination and how it's controlled.

An F1 car transmission is closer to what people used to say was a manual transmission in that it has a clutch and a constant mesh gearbox, even though when moving, the clutch is computer controlled, the shifting is by wire and it has a sequential shift mechanism.

This is why I've given up on having an intelligent discussion on this topic with people who don't have at least a cursory understanding of the devices behind the firewall, under the floorboard or in the tunnel.




Well said!
 
2012-10-22 10:16:28 AM
A manual trans is simple and (usually) cheaper than a automatic. There are no fluids/filters to change. No transmission coolers/radiators. Rarely break but if they do, they are easy to repair/replace. Best car would be a compact with a 4 cylinder engine, 4 speed manual trans and limited slip rear end.
That's my story and i'm sticking to it!
 
2012-10-22 10:17:43 AM

ph0rk: Unfortunately, we have already reached the point where a mass market automatic transmission can surpass a manual for gas mileage, and race automatics (or manu-matics, or dual-clutch auto-magical faux manuals, etc) can out-shift someone who really knows what they're doing.

Manuals are slower than the machines, and will continue to be so in the future. Manuals are a bit of fun, but that's it, unfortunately. They're dying.


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Only in the Good Old US of A, here in Europe they account for 80% to 90% of the care market. Automatics are for the handicapped or old and feeble over here.
 
2012-10-22 10:21:09 AM
I would love to learn how to drive a manual...I've had several people attempt to teach me and I just can't get it. I had my husband's '70 VW Beetle going pretty well around a parking lot, but it immediately stalled as i pulled out on the road. Same thing with my dad and brother's trucks when they tried to teach me. Embarrassing...I swear i'm not a terrible driver, just can't get the hang of manual.
 
2012-10-22 10:23:31 AM
Kiwi, I know your out there, probably going through this thread just dying to put in your two cents, but we all know what happens next. So, here: How to drive a stick shift.
 
2012-10-22 10:27:11 AM

Semi-Sane: I have driven manual transmission vehicles my entire life. My most recent new car is manual and it will be my last. I've had my clutches last in all other cars for 100k+ miles, but my most recent new car's clutch fried at month 13 with 6k miles on the odometer. I complained a few weeks after I bought it that the clutch wasn't disengaging and engaging properly, but the dealers said their mechanics thought it was fine.

Now I am out of a nice chunk of change to get this repaired because clutches are only covered for 12 months / 12k miles. Going to buy an automatic next time because they are covered under warranty for more than a year.


I had a Chevy that was 2 years out of warranty that had a problem with the paint finish. The whole car was repainted by Chevy. Looked great and sold it that same month.
 
2012-10-22 10:28:21 AM

FourPetesake: I would love to learn how to drive a manual...I've had several people attempt to teach me and I just can't get it. I had my husband's '70 VW Beetle going pretty well around a parking lot, but it immediately stalled as i pulled out on the road. Same thing with my dad and brother's trucks when they tried to teach me. Embarrassing...I swear i'm not a terrible driver, just can't get the hang of manual.


Do you think any of us had the clutch mastered when we first got on the road? Driving stick is the only cure for stalling stick. Get a manual beater and drive it everywhere for as long as it holds up. If you're still struggling on flat ground after a year, _then_ you can worrying about not getting the hang of it.
 
2012-10-22 10:35:14 AM

nopokerface: petec: if you can't stall it, it ain't a manual ..

I was not aware of this little known codicil to the manual transmission requirements canon.


You can stall a GT-R. I've done it at the road course in Vegas. That concrete pit lane is grippy.
 
2012-10-22 10:35:26 AM

WhiskeyBoy: The paddle shift in the Ferrari is astonishingly good. But when it comes time to drive to the store, and back in to a parking spot, they are a serious irritation. In a race to reverse in a parking spot, a traditional manual will beat the flappy paddle all day.


Haha true story: The one time I was given a f430 to drive, I could not for the life of me figure out how to get it into reverse. Getting it into neutral was straight forward enough, and I knew that little lever LOOKed like it should put me into reverse... but I just wasnt willing to make a very expensive mistake due to retardedness, and the gentle pressure I was applying wasnt enough. I was too embarrassed to ask about it, so I purposely parked forward on an incline so I could just roll back out in neutral.

Never did share that with anyone until now.
 
2012-10-22 10:36:52 AM

elkraf: A manual trans is simple and (usually) cheaper than a automatic. There are no fluids/filters to change. No transmission coolers/radiators. Rarely break but if they do, they are easy to repair/replace. Best car would be a compact with a 4 cylinder engine, 4 speed manual trans and limited slip rear end.
That's my story and i'm sticking to it!


LOLWUT?
 
2012-10-22 10:39:13 AM
I prefer to have my hand on my lady than my own stick.
 
2012-10-22 10:39:42 AM
Manual Transmission =\= Stick Shift.

A stick shift is an old method of transmission that happens to be manual. "Manual Transmission" means that the human driver choses the gear, not the automatic transmission computer. Seeing as how the human can actually put the current rev-level and speed in context with what is coming up on the racetrack, the human is in a bettter place to make that decision than a box in the undercarriage of the car.

As others have pointed out, the vehicle the dumbass author of the article referred to actually has a MANUAL transmission (human controlled flappy-paddles that direct the computer transmission controller to shift gears).
 
2012-10-22 10:42:38 AM

rohar: You can stall a GT-R. I've done it at the road course in Vegas. That concrete pit lane is grippy.


I'd love to take mine on a track, but they are just dying to void the warranty, so I haven't.
 
2012-10-22 10:47:38 AM
I am 6'8 and about 250 pounds. Every Manual vehicle any of my friends or family ever owned were such small things as Ford Rangers, Honda Civics, or random small hatch backs. I was already uncomfortable enough just sitting in those vehicles let alone trying to navigate an extra pedal without seizing up the wheel on my leg at the same time. I suffered through the size incompatibility just long enough to get the jist such that in an emergency (zombie apocalypse) I could get one going and keep it going.
 
2012-10-22 10:51:30 AM
392Zaphod : My boss who only drives manual just had to replace her clutch after 70k miles and cost her about 1,500$. My automatic won't need that, and I have the extended warranty anyway up to about 100k miles.

It could be that she had a "friday afternoon" gearbox, but most likely she doesn't know how to operate it correctly. I wonder if she was professionally taught how to drive a manual?
I often see Americans writing things like "I taught myself to drive stick in a deserted parking lot" and "Manual gearbox clutches wear out within 100k miles".
 
2012-10-22 10:54:25 AM
This guy probably thinks that being the pitcher doesn't make him gay and I have to deal with it.
 
2012-10-22 10:59:23 AM
I'll be sure to take this bozo's article to heart if I ever decide to replace my commuter car with a race car...
 
2012-10-22 11:10:34 AM

mrlewish: What your future transmission looks like.
[www.ctiautomation.net image 250x178]


Electric car owners: "What's a transmission?"
 
2012-10-22 11:12:17 AM
Semi-automatic is the way to go. I live in the mountains and commute to the city. I love having control in the mountains, especially in snow, and I equally love not having to shift in rush hour traffic. Best of both worlds. I don't think I'll ever buy anything else.
 
2012-10-22 11:32:57 AM
I see Subby woke up on the wrong side of Reality
 
2012-10-22 11:38:46 AM

nopokerface: rohar: You can stall a GT-R. I've done it at the road course in Vegas. That concrete pit lane is grippy.

I'd love to take mine on a track, but they are just dying to void the warranty, so I haven't.


When I was in Vegas, I drove a loaner. Not my car, not my problem :)
 
2012-10-22 11:40:46 AM

rohar: Not my car, not my problem :)


Now that would be a blast.
 
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