carnifex2005: fickle floridian: This article isn't about "automatics". It's about the new generation of electronic, dual-clutch, high-performance transmissions that happen to be paddle-shifted because the driver can't shift them anywhere near as fast as the computer. If all you've driven are manual transmission or traditional automatics (some even with paddle shifters) then you really have no idea what's going on in the modern performance car. There's a reason Ferrari doesn't offer manual transmission on the 458, and the only reason other sports car makers still have manual is to assuage traditional buyers.From the article: "Take a current Nissan GT-R to a race track and drive it as fast you can. Then tell me it would be better with a manual gearbox. It just wouldn't be. Your corner speeds will be slower, your straight-line speeds will be slower, and your lap times will be slower. If you drive a GT-R on track and don't feel engaged, well, then you just aren't going fast enough."Welcome to the 21st century.Exactly. These clutch guys sound like those moronic audiophiles who only listen to vinyl.
WhiskeyBoy: Oh, and for God's sake everyone, learn to at least change a tire on your own. It's a necessary life-skill.
themindiswatching: Voiceofreason01: What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"[streetsblog.net image 485x323]/GIS for "distracted driving"
StoPPeRmobile: WhiskeyBoy: Oh, and for God's sake everyone, learn to at least change a tire on your own. It's a necessary life-skill.[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x300]
Shadow Blasko: StoPPeRmobile: WhiskeyBoy: Oh, and for God's sake everyone, learn to at least change a tire on your own. It's a necessary life-skill.[static.ddmcdn.com image 400x300][Error. No Signal][Battery Life Remaining: 2%]I'll learn how to do things, you learn how to depend on twitchy tech.
incrdbil: Manual transmissions hold no advantage over automatics in performance.
Mad_Radhu: I've done it in my automatic a few tikes when Seattle has been hit with nasty winter storms. Automatics DO have those lower gears, you know, and you can control your speed and torque on ice almost as well as you can with a manual.
tzzhc4: People who say driving a manual transmission isn't fun typically haven't driven a manual transmission. Sure paddles are easier and computer controlled shifting is faster and more effcient but a manual transmission is fun to drive (execpt in stop and go traffic).
Cewley: steering and pushing the gas pedal is not driving.
I Like Bread: /Anyone who calls it "flappy-paddle" gets their opinions from Top Gear and can shove it.
Lenny_da_Hog: Seattle's one thing. Spend some time in Alaska, then come talk to me about it
Lenny_da_Hog: With an automatic, you have to keep shifting, and there's a delay between the shift and disengagement that's hard to time.
i upped my meds-up yours: A man needs to constantly meet and master risk. Risk like that of stalling out at a red light or backing into a lamp post. An automatic never provides these things.
Soupysales: Lenny_da_Hog: Seattle's one thing. Spend some time in Alaska, then come talk to me about itYes, the least populated state in America is what we should base all of our automotive needs on.Lenny_da_Hog: With an automatic, you have to keep shifting, and there's a delay between the shift and disengagement that's hard to time.Huh? You can handle the manual, but the automatic is too complicated to time? You're like a transmission savant.
Lenny_da_Hog: There are so many talented trolls on Fark. You are not among them.
Soupysales: Lenny_da_Hog: There are so many talented trolls on Fark. You are not among them.Those are legitimate responses from me. I apologize if you feel you're being trolled. But I do suppose that claim is easier than responding to my initial (and very real, I'll reiterate) position that your notions are extremely situational and plain dumb, respectively.
Claude Ballse: If I may be so bold, allow me a few seconds for an alternate opinion.Look at these:[image.off-roadweb.com image 640x480]Know what those are? Those are the Clutch Packs out of an automatic transmission. They are designed to sacrifice themselves in order for an automatic transmission to work. And on modern cars with gentle shifting automatics, this is accomplished by allowing these packs to slip more and tear apart more friction material each time.
snuff3r: I do 90% of my driving in the inner-city (where i live) and the CBD. I can't stand manual.Then again, i'm on a motorbike 95% of the time so...
Lenny_da_Hog: Dunning-Kruger effect on your part.To rock a car out of snow, you have to time it precisely so that you disengage at the point the tires start to slip, let the car rock in the other direction, re-engage until it slips, let it rock again, and the inertia you build eventually plows you through the snow.An automatic transmission has a delay when shifting from N to R, or N to D. You end up spinning your wheels and creating ice on the snow pack, or losing inertia by shifting out of gear too soon while precompensating for the delay. A clutch gives you precise control by immediately disengaging the transmission.And I clearly said that it may be fine for Seattle, but where people drive in ice and snow for months at a time, it makes a big difference. That goes along with the whole, "drive what you're comfortable with for your driving needs" thing that I was talking about. I didn't say automatics should be taken from the market, I said there are differences between the two.If you are not a simpleton troll, you are merely a simpleton.
I Like Bread: And I don't need to push the gas pedal, because I've got the cruise control set to 54mph.
Zombalupagus: This thread is a good indicator of how many people don't RTFA.
Shadow Blasko: Flappy paddles are an abomination, not unlike white chocolate, and should be met with disdain at every opportunity.
Shadow Blasko: starsrift: Meh. I have a manual right now. I'd rather have an automatic. My car is a vehicle and means, not a source of joy.Shadow Blasko: Flappy paddles are an abomination, not unlike white chocolate, and should be met with disdain at every opportunity.I used to think you were pretty cool. :(No cocoa, not chocolate.;)
Soupysales: I live in Chicago. I make no claim that our winters can match Alaska, but I think the snow and ice gives a reasonable facsimile. I've driven both automatics and manuals in those conditions. I've been stuck in both. In both cases, I was able to rock the car out of the position I was mired in.
Lenny_da_Hog: Right. There are absolutely no differences in performance between the manuals and automatics, under any conditions. That's what you're sticking to. It's all just fashion and price.
TenJed_77: Shadow Blasko: starsrift: Meh. I have a manual right now. I'd rather have an automatic. My car is a vehicle and means, not a source of joy.Shadow Blasko: Flappy paddles are an abomination, not unlike white chocolate, and should be met with disdain at every opportunity.I used to think you were pretty cool. :(No cocoa, not chocolate.;)Try real Belgian white chocolate. It contains real cocoa butter therefore it does contain cocoa
Soupysales: Lenny_da_Hog: Right. There are absolutely no differences in performance between the manuals and automatics, under any conditions. That's what you're sticking to. It's all just fashion and price.You have seen through my charade. You have once again bested me in verbal combat and torn asunder my claim that in many situations that are faced by people (not even the avalanches and blizzards that you normally contend with), an automatic is simply incapable of dealing with snow.I don't know why I lied. I guess I just wanted to be cool. But you wouldn't let me. I will take this new knowledge, and your psychological diagnosis of my ineptitude, to try and become a better person. A person who will drive a manual. A person who will deliver scorn and disdain on those who do not support our way of life. TO THE MANUAL TRANSMISSION!
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