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2012-10-22 12:54:55 AM

Shadow Blasko: I'll let you know if I am out in that area sometime!

I was in Philly during 2008 Halloween weekend for Dracula's Ball, and yeah.. sports traffic in Philly was rough. At least I was in a rental!

/I tried to update GRLevel2 last February during the tornado outbreak because I was living in the crosshairs of the storm system, but had no access to local broadcast media for warning or watches. It broke during the update and has not worked since.


Awesome! :)

Being a sports fan, I've been in that traffic a few time, fortunately I've never been the driver (worst was my 11th birthday - baseball game and playoff hockey). Halloween 2008, though... I waited three hours for a train home that day, and on the way home, my little brother had to sit half in my lap because there was no more standing room even (and my dad was almost run over by a bus, and I spent 45 minutes with my brother on my shoulders). And I wouldn't trade that experience for anything :)

That sounds rather unfortunate... Honestly, that is part of why I got my smart phone. Well, and wanting a shiny new toy. Power went out just as a tornado warning was announced for our general area during Irene last year and I had no way to keep an eye on anything. My brother and I were the only ones home, I had to call my ex about six times (just to get him to pick up) to beg him to keep an eye on things for me (he was still in school and very not amused by his ex-girlfriend wanting him to watch the weather, but he did it (he was the only person I knew would be awake, and I was panicked in the wee hours of the morning), so I'll give him that). Wish I had some suggestions for you, but I'm sure anything I could think of, you already have.

/farking PECO being incapable of getting things ready for a storm for which they had a week's warning
 
2012-10-22 01:07:06 AM
I really don't get people who think driving needs to be an "experience" I want a vehicle to safely and reliably carry me from point a to point b, that's it, I can drive a manual but at this point I prefer an automatic
 
2012-10-22 01:12:50 AM

FloydA: Voiceofreason01: What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"

What I do on my commute is try to get from my home to work and back, safely, and with minimal hassle. Commuting is not a sport.

If I was driving on a track, I'd definitely want a manual transmission. But shuttling back and forth to work at butt-thirty in the morning when I haven't had enough coffee? Automatic is just fine for that.


A manual transmission gives you more control/quicker reaction times for some maneuvers. While it really isn't critical in a commute type situation, having that extra edge can be safer.
 
2012-10-22 01:13:53 AM

TommyymmoT: I think a manual tranny keeps you more actively engaged in driving because you have to pay attention more.


You know, that's the exact same thing Eddie Murphy said?!
 
2012-10-22 01:15:17 AM
OK, try this simple test: climb a 20-degree hill in the snow.

In summer tires.

Before 'traction control.'

I have a friend who runs a towing company; he'll collect your shiat at the bottom of the hill while I laugh at you from the top in my 4-speed-equipped '68 Volvo, because I could put that car in 3rd gear and crawl up with the absolute minimum torque necessary. Automatics don't understand the concept of "let's put almost no power on the ground." You don't always want to lay down rubber.
 
2012-10-22 01:15:34 AM
Cars. One of the most worthless "hobbies" out there. "Yippie! I can drive a car! I have monkey level intelligence and can work a basic mechanical machine while polluting the environment, not to mention increasing the dependency on fossil fuels as well as helping them get more expensive because I spend it on useless shiat like driving around for no reason."
 
2012-10-22 01:15:54 AM
When I have a little Travis or Travisette running around I'm going to find a way to stick one in his or her Cozy Coupe.

Oh dear GOD.
 
2012-10-22 01:17:27 AM
Didn't we already have this thread recently and get all the elitism out of the car hipster's systems?
 
2012-10-22 01:18:37 AM
I don't care, just drive well.
 
2012-10-22 01:20:06 AM

TheTurtle: In summer tires.


Summer tires aren't designed for snow in the first place, so this isn't a fair test.
 
2012-10-22 01:20:18 AM

Shadow Blasko: weave: Luthien's Tempest: Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either

1-800-AAA-HELP

You're welcome

September 17th, 1999. 19:30 A HOT sticky friday night.
Driver is 9 mos pregnant. Blown tire, just north of I-275 on I-71 in Cincinnati. (Suburban Area)
(I mention she was 9 mos pregnant because that is why she did not change her own tire)

AAA Response time. 3.5 HOURS

You go ahead and call AAA if you wanna. The rest of us have stuff to do, places to go.

Last fall I broke a lug nut lock changing a tire on my RX-8. The nearest AAA center to me is less than 5 miles. The one they dispatched was over 25 miles away. It took over 2 hours for them to dispatch the wrong truck (I told them it would take a flatbed, they didn't believe me, so they had to dispatch ANOTHER truck from another location) and it was 7 hours before my car was at a shop... which was less than 4 miles away.

Screw AAA


Me and Mrs.Kritter have had nothing shy of exemplary service and response from AAA for the 4-5 years we've had our Premium memberships. I'm sorry to hear you were inconvenienced.

--- I prefer manual trans. I feel it is more fun and I have more control over the vehicle at all times.
 
2012-10-22 01:23:05 AM
lol I prefer manual, but the pissing contest in here is kind of ridiculous.

Whatever gets you from Point A to Point B.

Not all of us are car-culture driven auto enthusiasts.
 
2012-10-22 01:24:56 AM
It's amazing the number of people who think we give a shiat that they drive manual.

/Only Came To Comment About How Farking Annoying The Headline Is
 
2012-10-22 01:25:37 AM
I have a grey car.
 
2012-10-22 01:26:47 AM
The dual clutch automated manuals are better than a automatic. Generally they'll actually do what you want when you want instead of the shift suggestion that is an automatic. They're also locked up so fuel mileage and the sporty feel is better.

However they're still reliant on a computer that can't see or sense what's comming. I can do better than they can on inclines or with planning ahead. If you're in manual mode it isn't bad clicking a downshift or many, but I can skip straight to the gear I want just as easy with a manual.

Personally I enjoy driving and having the skill of driving a manual and matching shifts. But, I do believe its comming to a point where a manual will just be a dummy clutch and shifter which are just inputs to the computers that control the clutch and transmission. When it gets to that point it will be a sad day and I hope to have kept an old manual dinasaur.
 
2012-10-22 01:26:58 AM

BronyMedic: TommyymmoT: I think a manual tranny keeps you more actively engaged in driving because you have to pay attention more.

You know, that's the exact same thing Eddie Murphy said?!


Hey you! Did you catch my post on the ink I wanted to get .. over in the Ponies thread in Geek?
 
2012-10-22 01:27:17 AM
Capitalize All The Words!
 
2012-10-22 01:28:00 AM
This article isn't about "automatics". It's about the new generation of electronic, dual-clutch, high-performance transmissions that happen to be paddle-shifted because the driver can't shift them anywhere near as fast as the computer. If all you've driven are manual transmission or traditional automatics (some even with paddle shifters) then you really have no idea what's going on in the modern performance car. There's a reason Ferrari doesn't offer manual transmission on the 458, and the only reason other sports car makers still have manual is to assuage traditional buyers.

From the article: "Take a current Nissan GT-R to a race track and drive it as fast you can. Then tell me it would be better with a manual gearbox. It just wouldn't be. Your corner speeds will be slower, your straight-line speeds will be slower, and your lap times will be slower. If you drive a GT-R on track and don't feel engaged, well, then you just aren't going fast enough."

Welcome to the 21st century.
 
2012-10-22 01:28:19 AM

KrispyKritter: Me and Mrs.Kritter have had nothing shy of exemplary service and response from AAA for the 4-5 years we've had our Premium memberships. I'm sorry to hear you were inconvenienced.


I have had good service with them when I am not in the Cincy area... They just seem to really be horrible around here.

I use Allstates service now since I get it free...
 
2012-10-22 01:28:43 AM
Eat it, slushbox:

drewblood.com
 
2012-10-22 01:29:16 AM
People who say driving a manual transmission isn't fun typically haven't driven a manual transmission. Sure paddles are easier and computer controlled shifting is faster and more effcient but a manual transmission is fun to drive (execpt in stop and go traffic).
 
2012-10-22 01:29:30 AM
Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.
 
2012-10-22 01:30:11 AM

Shadow Blasko: BronyMedic: TommyymmoT: I think a manual tranny keeps you more actively engaged in driving because you have to pay attention more.

You know, that's the exact same thing Eddie Murphy said?!

Hey you! Did you catch my post on the ink I wanted to get .. over in the Ponies thread in Geek?


There's a pony thread on geek?

AWAY!
 
2012-10-22 01:30:34 AM

Bonzo_1116: Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.


Triple A.

And I'm not in a position to swap my decently running van for a stickshift ATM, thanks.
 
2012-10-22 01:31:33 AM
For a grocery getter, eh, a slushbox is fine. But on anything sport, performance, or heavy duty, I want a manual. A bit of practice and experience and I know where to shift to land on the sweet spots of the torque curve of the next gear and I can shift in anticipation of road conditions ahead.

I can also make a set of brake pads last a hell of a long time with lots of engine braking. Can't do that with the torque converter in a slushbox.
 
2012-10-22 01:31:48 AM
With the exception of my first hand-me-down vehicle I've driven manual transmission cars my entire life (I'm in my mid-50's). Not because I'm a car enthusiast, but because I've always driven shiatty little econoboxes and I can eke a bit more giddyup out of a manual.
 
2012-10-22 01:31:48 AM

Bonzo_1116: Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.


Or keep a $10 pair of jumper cables under your seat?
 
2012-10-22 01:33:38 AM
 
2012-10-22 01:34:48 AM
Travis, travisette, talk of trannies... Is this the auto critic or the dating page editor?
 
2012-10-22 01:35:37 AM

Ogre840: Art of Manliness: Every Man Should Know How to Drive Stick


Oh so it's a manly thing now.

Wow, the ideologies people come up with to ritualize such anachronistic technology.
 
2012-10-22 01:36:16 AM

Shadowknight: Bonzo_1116: Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.

Or keep a $10 pair of jumper cables under your seat?


Whatcha gonna jump from, cowboy? The static in your pleather interior.

If you need another car to stop and help you, might as well not even have the cables.
 
2012-10-22 01:36:21 AM
When my manual went and I had to replace my clutch, it cost me a weekend a few hundred bucks (and a case of beer.)
When my automatic went, it cost me $3100 to get replaced. Stupid mysterious piston/channel-driven piles of crap.

I have my preference...
 
2012-10-22 01:36:48 AM
Yeah, manual transmission is great for those situations which you'd like to, but never are, in. Unless you live in Bumblefark, Arkansas or do all your driving at 2am, driving is a farking chore.
 
2012-10-22 01:37:05 AM

Shadowknight: Bonzo_1116: Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.

Or keep a $10 pair of jumper cables under your seat?


Jumping is a pain in the ass, and requires a second car.

/I've got AAA just in case shiat truly goes bad.
 
2012-10-22 01:38:39 AM
Someones driving a 450
And his friends are so wild
They're still in their stick shifties
But they feel they have much more style
But I've found . . .

Its all up to what you value
Down to where you are
It all swings on the pain you've gone through
Getting where you are

Its all up to what you value
In your motor car
It all rests on what its cost you
Getting where you are
Its what you value

Someones driving a 6-wheeler
Seems the world is all blurred
Knows hes in a show stealer
With a sound that's uncompared
And I've found...
 
2012-10-22 01:39:01 AM
But guess what? The manual transmission is outdated technology and there are better things out there. It's time to get over it and say bye bye.

There are better things out there if you suck terribly at driving, or if you're, say, missing an arm or a leg.

Otherwise, a manual transmission is significantly lighter than an automatic transmission and on those grounds alone it wins on efficiency and effectiveness grounds even before you start considering the sheer ridiculous quantity of sensors and crap you have to install to get anywhere close to being in the correct gear at the correct time with an automated system.

Albeit, if you're willing to shell out the absurd amount of extra cash for the sensor arrays and so on, you will actually get better performance out of an electronically-shifted standard transmission variant (different than the usual automatic transmission, which has radial gearing etc). Just, it kinda puts you at an even worse position than an automatic by another metric, which is the expense/work required to replace the damned thing if it breaks.

//Obviously, the usual automatic configuration is typically preferable in a basic commuter car because you do just need it to go when you press the button, probably aren't a particularly good driver, will occasionally be driving sick, etc. there's a reason the radial automatic and the standard are the dominant transmission types on the market.
 
2012-10-22 01:39:09 AM
hmm.I learned how to drive in a manual datsun 510. I prefer automatics though as its easier on my knees.Im trying to drive, not do a step machine.
to each their own .
 
2012-10-22 01:40:20 AM
Manuals make for a nice theft deterrent.

Link
 
2012-10-22 01:40:41 AM
Remember, all consumer choices are a statement of superiority and must be defended with machismo.
 
2012-10-22 01:41:13 AM

Metalupis: I really don't get people who think driving needs to be an "experience" I want a vehicle to safely and reliably carry me from point a to point b, that's it, I can drive a manual but at this point I prefer an automatic


We're Americans, we demand that everything be a thrill-a-minute death-defying joyride!

This is also why cars that drive themselves will never catch on here, sadly.
 
2012-10-22 01:41:52 AM
Oh, and they make car starter things that use a sealed lead acid battery to jump your vehicle, or power a boombox, or charge your device and they are only about 80 bucks.But, i have a better option- buy a good battery and make sure you dont leave the lights / stuff on when not driving
 
2012-10-22 01:42:09 AM
Clarkson is famously quoted as saying that flappy paddle gearboxes can change ".3 seconds faster than you, but why would you want that, and who cares?"

As for skill on a track, perhaps if everyone was driving the same car, with 'normal' gearboxes vs. flappy paddles - but in a real race, even those with all the technical bloat-equipped cars will not be able to properly match the person who has skill. And by skill, the person who is the overall better driver with braking, picking their lines, so on and so forth.

So, sorry techies. even with all the bells and whistles, even with the speed, it's not as awesome, it's a toy and a gimmick, and you'll take my proper gearchange out of my cold dead hands.
 
2012-10-22 01:42:41 AM

browntimmy: Yeah, manual transmission is great for those situations which you'd like to, but never are, in. Unless you live in Bumblefark, Arkansas or do all your driving at 2am, driving is a farking chore.


I love manual trannys everywhere but in a traffic jam.

Even simple 25 mph city commuting is better in second gear.
 
2012-10-22 01:42:57 AM

doglover: Shadowknight: Bonzo_1116: Everybody is forgetting the true value of a manual transmission: roll-starting a car with a dead battery.

Automatics are f*cked. Enjoy your tasty towing bill to the nearest PepBoys.

Or keep a $10 pair of jumper cables under your seat?

Whatcha gonna jump from, cowboy? The static in your pleather interior.

If you need another car to stop and help you, might as well not even have the cables.


You must live in a sad, sad place if you can't stop someone and ask for a jump. Last time I need one (movie theater double feature, stupidly left my lights on), all I had to do is ask a lady if I could get a jump.

It took less than two minutes, she was on her way, and I drove home with no radio. Wasn't a huge inconvenience. Besides, if you're stuck on the side of some dark country road with a mysteriously dead battery... yeah, I guess a rolling start is a great thing to have access to. But it's a pretty weirdly specific scenario to base your driving habits off.
 
2012-10-22 01:43:13 AM

TomD9938: Manuals make for a nice theft deterrent.

Link


One advantage I've seen:

"Hey, I'm moving, can I borrow your truck?"
"It's a 5-speed."
"Oh. Never mind, I'll ask around..."
 
2012-10-22 01:43:54 AM
Manual snob here. I shift sub-consciously and don't eat/drink while driving so I don't need my right (left in the UK) hand free.

Simpler construction, fewer problems, and cheaper repair costs.

I live in San Francisco and don't mind shifting on hills. In fact, as I drive around the Bay Area hills, I don't have to ride my brakes on the downhill, I just downshift to 4th or 3rd and let off the gas. I go several years between brake pad changes.

Having direct control over torque selection has saved my bacon on slippery roads and evasive maneuvers -- and yes, I also have ABS.

It's an increasing method of theft deterrent.

Women are impressed with my manual skills.
 
2012-10-22 01:44:11 AM
Sooooo much butthurt from so little provocation. Geez. A guy says "Don't be snobs, your POV is not the only legitimate one out there", and it's all "RAWR HE CALLED ME WRONG I'LL SHOW HIM" e-peenery,
 
2012-10-22 01:46:22 AM

Lenny_da_Hog: Remember, all consumer choices are a statement of superiority and must be defended with machismo.

 

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-10-22 01:46:35 AM
I bought a brand new truck in 2001. My first new purchase. 2001 Dodge Dakota extended cab V-8 power everything manual transmission.The V-6 with automatic transmission was anywhere from 2k-4k more depending on the options etc. I'm a cheapo, I'll take the manual I have two legs.
 
2012-10-22 01:46:35 AM
So, I don't race, I dislike driving in general, and high speeds in particular.

Is a manual transmission for me?
 
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