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2012-10-21 06:14:02 PM
What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"
 
2012-10-21 06:20:24 PM

Voiceofreason01: What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"


streetsblog.net

/GIS for "distracted driving"
 
2012-10-21 06:22:16 PM

Voiceofreason01: What most of you people do on your commute isn't "driving"


What I do on my commute is try to get from my home to work and back, safely, and with minimal hassle. Commuting is not a sport.

If I was driving on a track, I'd definitely want a manual transmission. But shuttling back and forth to work at butt-thirty in the morning when I haven't had enough coffee? Automatic is just fine for that.
 
2012-10-21 06:31:48 PM
Travis is a girl's name.
 
2012-10-21 06:32:39 PM
A man needs to constantly meet and master risk. Risk like that of stalling out at a red light or backing into a lamp post. An automatic never provides these things.
 
2012-10-21 06:55:44 PM

R.A.Danny: Travis is a girl's name.



You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? You talkin' to me? Then who the hell else are you talking... you talking to me? Well I'm the only one here. Who the fark do you think you're talking to? Oh yeah? OK.
 
2012-10-21 06:56:03 PM
Driving A Stick In Rush Hour Traffic Is A Pain In The Ass.
 
2012-10-21 06:57:29 PM

fusillade762: Driving A Stick In Rush Hour Traffic Is A Pain In The Ass.


Capital Letters Succom To Exhaustion After Abuse. News At Eleven. Try The Fish.
 
2012-10-21 07:13:53 PM
'Manual elitists,' as I call them, will shirk the notion that a car without a third pedal can be engaging to drive. They say that it isn't pure, it isn't as much fun, they don't feel connected.

Bull. Take a current Nissan GT-R to a race track and drive it as fast you can. Then tell me it would be better with a manual gearbox. It just wouldn't be. Your corner speeds will be slower, your straight-line speeds will be slower, and your lap times will be slower.


Hey, moron. The GT-R has a flappy-paddle transmission. Numbnuts.

media.caranddriver.com

The point of the manual transmission is being able to control the torque output of the engine by selecting which gear you're in, not to have something to do with your hand other than scratch your balls.
 
2012-10-21 07:34:15 PM
steering and pushing the gas pedal is not driving.
 
2012-10-21 08:09:26 PM
Aw, look... the people who are most likely overcompensating for some other shortcoming are coming out to talk about how they need a big stick in their hand to feel manly.

Manuals are for alright for racing, I guess. Otherwise, they're pointless.
 
2012-10-21 08:33:47 PM

xiaodown: The point of the manual transmission is being able to control the torque output of the engine by selecting which gear you're in, not to have something to do with your hand other than scratch your balls.


My car has flappy pedals and I like it. There are some instances (steep declines and icy conditions) when it's REALLY helpful to be able to shift down on the fly, but for some reason I could never find the "sweet spot" on a clutch. I am completely clutch retarded.
 
2012-10-21 08:36:25 PM

Ambivalence: My car has flappy pedals and I like it.


Same here. The dual-clutch on my GTI is a bit quirky sometimes but I would really rather not drive stick where I live.
 
2012-10-21 09:24:21 PM
I miss having a manual transmission car.
 
2012-10-21 09:27:49 PM
Manual transmission is so much more fun, but I'd rather have automatic in the city.

(Though I hate feeling my engine 'argue' with me when I tell it to accelerate)
 
2012-10-21 09:29:10 PM
I think a manual tranny keeps you more actively engaged in driving because you have to pay attention more.

I like manual transmissions, but in the city, they're just a pain in the ass.
In heavy city traffic, it's like driving a peddle car.
 
2012-10-21 09:40:40 PM
Automatic transmission is to driving as masturbation is to sex
 
2012-10-21 09:51:02 PM

Cewley: steering and pushing the gas pedal is not driving.


Gotta be baking a cake while bathed in disco lights and fog. Now THAT'S driving!
 
2012-10-21 09:52:47 PM
I do 90% of my driving in the inner-city (where i live) and the CBD. I can't stand manual.

Then again, i'm on a motorbike 95% of the time so...
 
2012-10-21 10:01:26 PM
Oddly the worst drivers I know are typically the ones who biatch about people who don't drive stick and about how they're not really driving. They always seem to think they're a good driver and it's everyone else on the road that sucks, but when I'm in the car with them I agree with everyone else on the road who the problem really is.
 
2012-10-21 10:13:24 PM
Why can't we all get along?

Manual is great for many things, and it generally keeps drivers more attentive, and engaged in driving.

Automatic is great for heavy traffic, and dealing with heavy loads, and is less of a pain in my leg on long trips.

Flappy paddles are an abomination, not unlike white chocolate, and should be met with disdain at every opportunity.

Seriously though, through many years of technological advances, automatic transmissions are no long the sloppy laggy things they once were.

When Mclaren says "The auto is just as good as the manual" I tend to believe them.

I still prefer to drive my manual. I have no issue with anyone who chooses otherwise.

I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one. (along with how to change a tire, check oil.. etc)
 
2012-10-21 10:21:33 PM
When I drive a car (I'm longtime motorcycle commuter and don't even own a car anymore), I'm always struck by how motherfarking boring automatics are. All I'd need is "Scarborough Fair" on the radio and I'd instantly fall asleep. Americans might love them, but I think automatics are a threat to liberty. This is what the terrorists wanted.

Even a '92 Toyota Camry is fun as hell to drive when it has a stick.
 
2012-10-21 10:22:00 PM
I like my 6 speed semi auto, it's still not quite as fun as a real manual with a clutch, but it's a damned site more convenient and it's nice to kick it over into full auto when hands are full. Only drawback is you don't know what gear you're in just by where your hand is.
 
2012-10-21 10:22:18 PM

Shadow Blasko: Flappy paddles are an abomination, not unlike white chocolate, and should be met with disdain at every opportunity.


Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2012-10-21 10:31:12 PM
Actually, the thing I like most about driving a manual is that it tells me more about what is going on with my car, and the road.

I'll know a lot faster if I the roads are slick, if I have a tire going down... if my engine is missing on acceleration, etc from driving a manual.

That is why I think everyone should learn to drive one. It teaches you things you need to be paying attention to, so you know more about what happens when you press the gas and the car starts to move (or doesn't)

Whether you continue to drive one is absolutely up to you, but you should KNOW how to drive one, and drive one in conditions like rain and snow so you know how the car will behave. It is much better to find that out at low speed than high.
 
2012-10-21 10:36:27 PM

Shadow Blasko: I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one.


Agreed, but a friend of mine made an interesting point. "I want my son to learn to drive a manual, but where the hell do I find one? Unless you have a friend's manual you can borrow for an afternoon, teaching kids how to drive one is going to be a hassle. Not impossible, but a hassle when you and your wife's cars are both automatics. This is true in America, at least. In Europe and many other places, the 11 year-old paper boy already knows how to drive a stick.

I learned from a friend in high school, but this was in the early 90s when manuals were still somewhat common.

CSB alert: About a year ago I was out with some friends, and this one girl got too drunk to drive. So I offered, having a friend follow to take me back. She asked if I could drive a stick. When I got to the vehicle, I was honestly shocked that it was a brand new Saturn Vue, or similar small SUV/crossover whatever. When I smiled and complimented her for driving a stick she said, "I had to wait three weeks to get one with a manual. I farking hate automatics."

As you can presume, I fell in love right on the spot. We dated for a few months.
 
2012-10-21 10:36:29 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: A man needs to constantly meet and master risk. Risk like that of stalling out at a red light or backing into a lamp post. An automatic never provides these things.


Stalling at a red? OK, it rarely happens when I forget which type of shoe I'm wearing, or the soles are wet, and misplace my foot position on the clutch. Backing into a lamp post? When/how does that ever happen?

Shelby GT500, love my stick. Silverado work/plow/winter truck, love my auto.
 
2012-10-21 10:39:52 PM

Shadow Blasko: Actually, the thing I like most about driving a manual is that it tells me more about what is going on with my car, and the road.

I'll know a lot faster if I the roads are slick, if I have a tire going down... if my engine is missing on acceleration, etc from driving a manual.

That is why I think everyone should learn to drive one. It teaches you things you need to be paying attention to, so you know more about what happens when you press the gas and the car starts to move (or doesn't)

Whether you continue to drive one is absolutely up to you, but you should KNOW how to drive one, and drive one in conditions like rain and snow so you know how the car will behave. It is much better to find that out at low speed than high.


I know that rather quickly driving an automatic. Granted driving a manual trans forces you to be more attentive, but that's not to say you can't be just as attentive on an automatic.
 
2012-10-21 10:40:42 PM

i upped my meds-up yours: A man needs to constantly meet and master risk. Risk like that of stalling out at a red light or backing into a lamp post. An automatic never provides these things.


The more I read you, the more I like the cut of your jib.
 
2012-10-21 10:48:16 PM

Outtaphase: Shelby GT500, love my stick. Silverado work/plow/winter truck, love my auto.


Absolutely. No one is saying that manuals are the best for all things. It's about what's enjoyable and what isn't. If a work truck were part of my life, I'd definitely prefer an automatic because, well, it's a fat work truck.
 
2012-10-21 10:51:25 PM
Yes, it's possible to make an acceptable sporty car that doesn't have a manual transmission. I suppose it would be a lot like being married to an incredibly hot and witty partner who was terrible in the sack. Sure, you can probably still get through the day, maybe even enjoy the other aspects of that person. And you'll have more free time to do other things. Practical things. You *might* even be a little more productive than me. And yes, sometimes the extra work I'm going through is annoying. Exhausting. Time-consuming. Not productive.

But a lot like that smoking hot crazy-in-the-sack partner who insists on getting wild while you're trying to concentrate on the weekly staff planning meeting, what you call a distraction, I consider to be an often-unexpected source of enjoyment and stupid grins that would be embarrassing to explain to co-workers.

Bonus: If your friends/co-workers know you have a manual (or aforementioned SH, CITS partner), they don't expect you to answer the goddam phone, and they don't get all butt-hurt about it. They know you've got your hands full.
 
2012-10-21 10:53:06 PM
A Gawker site ginning up a fake argument to drive pageviews? Surely not.
 
2012-10-21 11:01:35 PM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Automatic transmission is to driving as masturbation is to sex


Automatic transmission is like watching someone else masturbate.

Manual transmission is like a three day orgy on a millionaire's yacht.
 
2012-10-21 11:20:22 PM

Shadow Blasko: ...I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one. (along with how to change a tire, check oil.. etc)


I wish I knew how to drive a manual. But nobody in my family drives one, so it seems unlikely I'll learn anytime soon. Heck, I've only been in a car with manual transmission maybe a few dozen times in my life (and most of those in Germany with my host family). Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either (I mean, I have a pretty good idea how, and could probably do it, maybe (there is always the chance it could go horribly wrong, I am a bit of a dunce), but I've never had to).
 
2012-10-21 11:22:13 PM

dickfreckle: Shadow Blasko: I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one.

Agreed, but a friend of mine made an interesting point. "I want my son to learn to drive a manual, but where the hell do I find one? .


I learned how to drive a stick when I was 16. A 10 speed tractor trailer. I had a summer job as a mechanics helper at a truck leasing company and they taught me how to drive a rig out of the yard and into the shop to get worked on. I could get those biatches up to about 5th speed, double clutching all the way (read: about 25 mph). 

I used to change the oil and grease them. Those things took 48 quarts of oil.
 
2012-10-21 11:24:01 PM

Luthien's Tempest: Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either


1-800-AAA-HELP

You're welcome
 
2012-10-21 11:30:12 PM
I like driving a manual.

But I could give a crap if you do.

The arguments pro and con are idiotic.

Its personal taste, mine of course is better.
 
2012-10-21 11:36:24 PM

weave: Luthien's Tempest: Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either

1-800-AAA-HELP

You're welcome


September 17th, 1999. 19:30 A HOT sticky friday night.
Driver is 9 mos pregnant. Blown tire, just north of I-275 on I-71 in Cincinnati. (Suburban Area)
(I mention she was 9 mos pregnant because that is why she did not change her own tire)

AAA Response time. 3.5 HOURS

You go ahead and call AAA if you wanna. The rest of us have stuff to do, places to go.

Last fall I broke a lug nut lock changing a tire on my RX-8. The nearest AAA center to me is less than 5 miles. The one they dispatched was over 25 miles away. It took over 2 hours for them to dispatch the wrong truck (I told them it would take a flatbed, they didn't believe me, so they had to dispatch ANOTHER truck from another location) and it was 7 hours before my car was at a shop... which was less than 4 miles away.

Screw AAA
 
2012-10-21 11:41:19 PM

Luthien's Tempest: Shadow Blasko: ...I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one. (along with how to change a tire, check oil.. etc)

I wish I knew how to drive a manual. But nobody in my family drives one, so it seems unlikely I'll learn anytime soon. Heck, I've only been in a car with manual transmission maybe a few dozen times in my life (and most of those in Germany with my host family). Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either (I mean, I have a pretty good idea how, and could probably do it, maybe (there is always the chance it could go horribly wrong, I am a bit of a dunce), but I've never had to).


I would happily teach you both skills.

Take a fall drive through the Lancaster PA countryside and talk about how Gibson Ridge will not install on my damned laptop. You teach me, I'll teach you.

/Not hittin on ya, just noticed in your profile that we have a lot in common.

//Lancaster is as close as I will get to Philly in my car. They sent me a parking ticket two years ago, and my car has never BEEN to Philly. Lancaster/Mt Hope is the closest my car has been. (Closing weekends at Penn Renn Faire)
 
2012-10-21 11:42:26 PM
Just noticed that the Admins are totally trolling us with the greenlit time on this thread.
 
2012-10-21 11:49:25 PM
Funny headline, submitter.

I like the capital letters.
 
2012-10-21 11:55:20 PM

jaylectricity: Funny headline, submitter.

I like the capital letters.


It is a proper writing style for headlines. Nothing wrong with it in this context.

It has fallen out of use somewhat with online publications, but it is a proper technique.

Or were you not being sarcastic? I can never tell.
 
2012-10-22 12:01:44 AM

Dead for Tax Reasons: Automatic transmission is to driving as masturbation is to sex


In that we all masturbate far, far more than we take admit to, and the people most vocal about sex are those least likely to be regularly engaged in it?
 
2012-10-22 12:02:20 AM
God damned extra words sneaking into my posts.
 
2012-10-22 12:06:54 AM

Shadow Blasko: Or were you not being sarcastic? I can never tell.


I honestly thought the headline was meant to be a joke. I don't think submitter actually is this forceful about this subject. I thought the capital letters accentuated that.
 
2012-10-22 12:07:49 AM

dickfreckle: i upped my meds-up yours: A man needs to constantly meet and master risk. Risk like that of stalling out at a red light or backing into a lamp post. An automatic never provides these things.

The more I read you, the more I like the cut of your jib.


Thank you. I grew up experiencing constant blows to my self-esteem, and it has become my life's high purpose to pass them on to others.
 
2012-10-22 12:09:15 AM

Shadow Blasko: jaylectricity: Funny headline, submitter.

I like the capital letters.

It is a proper writing style for headlines. Nothing wrong with it in this context.

It has fallen out of use somewhat with online publications, but it is a proper technique.


Not ALL the words should be capitalized. Words like "a", "of", "to", "and", etc don't get caps unless they're the first word of the headline.

And my local newspaper doesn't bother with caps anymore at all.
 
2012-10-22 12:12:59 AM

fusillade762: Shadow Blasko: jaylectricity: Funny headline, submitter.

I like the capital letters.

It is a proper writing style for headlines. Nothing wrong with it in this context.

It has fallen out of use somewhat with online publications, but it is a proper technique.

Not ALL the words should be capitalized. Words like "a", "of", "to", "and", etc don't get caps unless they're the first word of the headline.

And my local newspaper doesn't bother with caps anymore at all.


True that...
 
2012-10-22 12:20:18 AM

Shadow Blasko: Luthien's Tempest: Shadow Blasko: ...I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one. (along with how to change a tire, check oil.. etc)

I wish I knew how to drive a manual. But nobody in my family drives one, so it seems unlikely I'll learn anytime soon. Heck, I've only been in a car with manual transmission maybe a few dozen times in my life (and most of those in Germany with my host family). Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either (I mean, I have a pretty good idea how, and could probably do it, maybe (there is always the chance it could go horribly wrong, I am a bit of a dunce), but I've never had to).

I would happily teach you both skills.

Take a fall drive through the Lancaster PA countryside and talk about how Gibson Ridge will not install on my damned laptop. You teach me, I'll teach you.

/Not hittin on ya, just noticed in your profile that we have a lot in common.

//Lancaster is as close as I will get to Philly in my car. They sent me a parking ticket two years ago, and my car has never BEEN to Philly. Lancaster/Mt Hope is the closest my car has been. (Closing weekends at Penn Renn Faire)


Sounds good to me, but I'm in VA for now (graduate school - though I do go home every so often). :( If we are ever in the same general area, though, I would seriously absolutely love to take you up on that offer. I've actually never used Gibson Ridge, but I doubt I could break it any worse than not installing ;) (hey, the only thing I've broken recently was last year when I knocked a pin loose on my hard drive - I used it held together with duct tape for a few months before replacing it)

The extent to which my car gets into Philly is to drive on 95 between school and home (or really 95 between home and 13 in Delaware). I am not looking forward to making that drive in two weeks, but at least with the Phillies not playing and the NHL lockout, at least there won't be crazy sports traffic. Otherwise, I take SEPTA into the city (I used to date a guy who was very used to taking the train and we happened to live on the same train line (he was about halfway to the city from me), so I'm much more comfortable with it anyway)

And the Renn Faire is awesome, I try to get there every so often, but I haven't been since I last went with one of my PSU clubs a couple years back.
 
2012-10-22 12:29:18 AM

Luthien's Tempest: Shadow Blasko: Luthien's Tempest: Shadow Blasko: ...I *do* think that as long as there are manual transmissions, it should be considered a life skill to learn how to drive one. (along with how to change a tire, check oil.. etc)

I wish I knew how to drive a manual. But nobody in my family drives one, so it seems unlikely I'll learn anytime soon. Heck, I've only been in a car with manual transmission maybe a few dozen times in my life (and most of those in Germany with my host family). Of course, I've never learned to change a tire, either (I mean, I have a pretty good idea how, and could probably do it, maybe (there is always the chance it could go horribly wrong, I am a bit of a dunce), but I've never had to).

I would happily teach you both skills.

Take a fall drive through the Lancaster PA countryside and talk about how Gibson Ridge will not install on my damned laptop. You teach me, I'll teach you.

/Not hittin on ya, just noticed in your profile that we have a lot in common.

//Lancaster is as close as I will get to Philly in my car. They sent me a parking ticket two years ago, and my car has never BEEN to Philly. Lancaster/Mt Hope is the closest my car has been. (Closing weekends at Penn Renn Faire)

Sounds good to me, but I'm in VA for now (graduate school - though I do go home every so often). :( If we are ever in the same general area, though, I would seriously absolutely love to take you up on that offer. I've actually never used Gibson Ridge, but I doubt I could break it any worse than not installing ;) (hey, the only thing I've broken recently was last year when I knocked a pin loose on my hard drive - I used it held together with duct tape for a few months before replacing it)

The extent to which my car gets into Philly is to drive on 95 between school and home (or really 95 between home and 13 in Delaware). I am not looking forward to making that drive in two weeks, but at least with the Phillies not playing and the NHL lockout, at least there w ...


I'll let you know if I am out in that area sometime!

I was in Philly during 2008 Halloween weekend for Dracula's Ball, and yeah.. sports traffic in Philly was rough. At least I was in a rental!

/I tried to update GRLevel2 last February during the tornado outbreak because I was living in the crosshairs of the storm system, but had no access to local broadcast media for warning or watches. It broke during the update and has not worked since.
 
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