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2012-10-21 02:45:43 PM
Remember, kids: Birtherism, a theory based on pieces of evidence such as the President won while black, while having a non-protestant sounding name, and while being raised by a foreign-born parent but no ACTUAL evidence is something STILL worth investigating but Republican election fraud, which has evidence such as actual messages with misleading dates, gerrymandering districts and now voting machines paid for by the retroactively-retired CEO of the company is just idiotic libs making idiotic lib noises.
 
2012-10-21 02:47:34 PM

AbbeySomeone: That word implies choice. Many people feel that the decision has already been made and we are just participating in a charade at this point.


I understand how you feel, but I'm not that cynical.

We do have a choice, and mostly it's to vote or not. Nate Silver had an column on it, or whatever you call his New York Times gig. He summarized polls show folks who are considered unlikely to vote, for one reason or another, favor Obama over Romney something like 3:1. I'm too lazy today to look it up.

Every get out the vote effort helps typical working folks and hurts Romney. So, it's not a charade. Be sure to vote.
 
2012-10-21 02:48:33 PM

Delay: No matter what Republicans say, voting is a right, not a crime.


And no matter what rational people say, if Romney wins it will be considered a theft by some.
 
2012-10-21 02:48:46 PM
fta: And it gets worse. Karl Rove and the Republican election fraud machine not only stole the 2004 elections, they murdered the computer expert who orchestrated the theft, Mike Connell, shortly before he was scheduled to testify in court against Rove.

Oh, FFS.

If you flip the Vince Foster conspiracy coin over is this what's on the other side?

That noted, Republican efforts to rig the vote through gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, caging, misinformation campaigns, and biased election officials are all real causes for concern and not the trolly variety.
 
2012-10-21 02:49:45 PM
So apparently as a country we have learned precisely NOTHING from 2000 and 2004.
 
2012-10-21 02:52:13 PM

I_C_Weener: It will be a close election. Both sides will cry fraud.

I want a 269 tie where the house voted in Romney and the Senate votes in Biden as Veep.


That would be very interesting. However, it is apparently the incoming NEW Congress that would vote for President and VP. Also, there is apparently no laws that forces Senators and Congressmen to vote along party lines. So what happens, riot/assassination-wise, if the Senate goes just enough Republican to vote for Ryan?
 
2012-10-21 02:53:44 PM

TomD9938: FTA : Former President Jimmy Carter says that American elections, unlike elections in banana republics, are so hopelessly corrupt that they are not even worth monitoring

Well, it's certainly true that Carter won by fraud, so the writer may have a point.


Let me guess: Carter "won by fraud" because his win denied America to be rescued by the divine selection of Reagan four years early.

Here's something for our British friends to chew on: had Reagan won in 1976, the world would have had an earlier exposure to "compassionate conservatism" and you might just have been spared the Thatcher years.
 
2012-10-21 02:53:54 PM

Dinki: While I'm a big skeptic of the whole "hacked voting machine" conspiracy theory, there is little doubt that the GOP has taken the position that since they can't win by simply counting votes, that voter suppression is the way to go.


How big of a skeptic can you be when TFA talks about the consistent 5% difference between exit polls and the "results"(Favoring the Republicans every time), as well as the mysterious 6% swing in Ohio in the middle of the night, as well as the fact that Scott Walker wouldn't have won his recall without that 5% difference.

Here's the problem: There is no way to audit the machine. It returns end results, but nothing on a per-voter basis. They are also extremely easy to break into, no security at all, and if and when someone DOES break in, there's no real need to cover their tracks, because it's such a simple system that it doesn't keep records regarding access...

Really though, the important part of the story isn't the Black Boxes themselves, but the part about the Romney family investing heavily in the company that owns a major chunk of these. It doesn't matter if the boxes are legit or not, this is a major conflict of interest that should be illegal, and the "blind trust" excuse fails to pass muster on this, there is no way someone with Romney's money can't call his accountant and tell them to get his farking money out of something that is going to compromise his principles. Of course, that would be assuming that Romney HAS principles.

Either way, these things come to your local voting precinct just BEGGING to be hacked, it doesn't require Kevin Mitnick, and then we have the Republican candidate(The party the machines already seem to favor) investing in the company that manufactures a bunch of these? Pretty hard to be skeptical when there is that much data out there, but beng America, the Internet, and Fark, you are most definitely welcome to your opinion.
 
2012-10-21 02:54:10 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: And no matter what rational people say, if Romney wins it will be considered a theft by some.


pauloflaherty.com
 
2012-10-21 02:55:13 PM
You know, I'd almost like to see Romney elected just for the entertainment value here on Fark. You people will lose your ever-lovin' minds.
 
2012-10-21 02:55:51 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Delay: No matter what Republicans say, voting is a right, not a crime.

And no matter what rational people say, if Romney wins it will be considered a theft by some.


So there's absolutely nothing sketchy about Romney's son buying voting machines in Ohio. If you think otherwise, you're not rational
 
2012-10-21 02:56:23 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So what happens, riot/assassination-wise, if the Senate goes just enough Republican to vote for Ryan?


As VP he doesn't do anything for 4 years. Next question.
 
2012-10-21 02:57:12 PM
I look at it like this one time a caught my kid putting the step ladder next to the refrigerator where the cookies are on top of. " What are you doing? "

" Nothing why do you think im doing something?!? " my kid says with the most innocent face she could muster

Voter ID laws that are made JUST for people who vote Democratic IE minorities and elderly in swing states, Romney's own kid buying election machines just for Ohio ( ?!??!) guy who works for election company for VA caught red handed throwing away democratic voter registration forms, company still is working for VA, Billboard in african american neighborhoods in cleveland warning about voter fraud and only in those neighborhoods ( they look more like they are trying to scare people from voting ), Voter card in spanish that give the wrong date when the election is in AZ.

Nope nothing to see here ..herp a derp!
 
2012-10-21 02:57:44 PM
"And it gets worse. Karl Rove and the Republican election fraud machine not only stole the 2004 elections, they murdered the computer expert who orchestrated the theft, Mike Connell, shortly before he was scheduled to testify in court against Rove."

The basement in which this was written must be a very, very scary place.
 
2012-10-21 03:01:37 PM

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.

that's also a valid possibility.

I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.


B-b-but we can't take four more years of Nofartbama! He can't create jeorbs! Romney will create jeorbs! The President can't create jeorbs but Romney will create jeorbs because he is a jeorb creator! In the private sector, not by expanding gubbermint!
 
2012-10-21 03:01:41 PM
The U.S. is supposed to be the paragon of democracy. There shouldn't even be any doubt or question to the system that we use to cast and count our votes. That there is, should be a giant red flag. No one that would call themselves a patriot should stand for any possible flaw, no matter how slight or unlikely it is to effect the outcome.

That the family of a candidate for POTUS can own the company that owns the voting machines, machines with no means of authenticating votes, isn't just ridiculous, it's a national embarrassment.
 
2012-10-21 03:02:21 PM
*eyeroll*

FFS, people....
 
2012-10-21 03:03:52 PM

Semantic Warrior: The U.S. is supposed to be the paragon of democracy. There shouldn't even be any doubt or question to the system that we use to cast and count our votes. That there is, should be a giant red flag. No one that would call themselves a patriot should stand for any possible flaw, no matter how slight or unlikely it is to effect the outcome.

That the family of a candidate for POTUS can own the company that owns the voting machines, machines with no means of authenticating votes, isn't just ridiculous, it's a national embarrassment.


This post is the embarrassment.
 
2012-10-21 03:07:33 PM

quatchi: fta: And it gets worse. Karl Rove and the Republican election fraud machine not only stole the 2004 elections, they murdered the computer expert who orchestrated the theft, Mike Connell, shortly before he was scheduled to testify in court against Rove.

Oh, FFS.

If you flip the Vince Foster conspiracy coin over is this what's on the other side?

That noted, Republican efforts to rig the vote through gerrymandering, voter disenfranchisement, caging, misinformation campaigns, and biased election officials are all real causes for concern and not the trolly variety.


Not to say the general premise of this article isn't something to be concerned about, but I believe there are several more credible sources about voter suppression/dirty tricks/GOP fraud than an an article written by some 9/11 troofer on an Iranian state news site, no?

Dr. Kevin Barrett
 
2012-10-21 03:07:58 PM

TomD9938: FTA : Former President Jimmy Carter says that American elections, unlike elections in banana republics, are so hopelessly corrupt that they are not even worth monitoring

Well, it's certainly true that Carter won by fraud, so the writer may have a point.


What derpiverse did you come up with that one from.

The recognized fraudulent presidencies are usually accepted to be Rutherford B Hayes, Warren Glamiel Harding, John Fitzgerald Kennedy and George W. Bush.

The list of corrupt presidents once elected is a bit longer, really, it would be shorter to just list the ones who were not corrupt.

Carter is usually considered inept, well intentioned, and the victim of the original October Surprise (George Herbert Walker Bush's secret deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to not release the hostages until after the election, and in return we'd sell them weapons once Reagan got elected)
 
2012-10-21 03:09:36 PM
Dammit. Fark threw away my link to the author's wiki page: Link
 
2012-10-21 03:09:39 PM
The machines are rigged!

Must tell President Romney!
 
2012-10-21 03:09:46 PM
I don't understand why people even try the whole "make sure you vote on this day instead of this day" nonsense. Or the whole voter ID must have certain documents to vote trick. You were taught early on that you don't need ID to vote, just proof of residence where you're voting. You were taught early on that the presidential election is the first Tuesday of the first full week in November. If you are unsure of when or where to vote, just go to any government office where you reside and ask. If you can't do or remember any of this, perhaps you're too stupid to vote. Maybe I'm being naive, but it doesn't make sense.
 
2012-10-21 03:11:02 PM
That was a little too much paranoia for me. Two stolen elections, murder, multicultural riots in the streets, black people "not being pussies" when it comes to protesting/rioting (wut?).
All we can do is vote because guess what, if Romney wins, nothing is going to happen. The morning of November 7th, we will all wake up and go about our daily lives. There will be no rioting, no protests. It will be another day.
These paranoid rants are not helping the cause, and giving attention to these ridiculous articles only hurts voter turnout. These articles only give people a feeling of hopelessness.
 
2012-10-21 03:11:31 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: So what happens, riot/assassination-wise, if the Senate goes just enough Republican to vote for Ryan?


The VP loses his office in the West Wing (he keeps the one in the EEOB) and the president stops returning his calls; basically the same thing that happened to George HW Bush in Reagan's second term.
 
2012-10-21 03:12:12 PM

Cubs300: Maybe I'm being naive, but it doesn't make sense.


Could be both. You are naive and voter suppression should be illegal.
 
2012-10-21 03:12:48 PM

RedPhoenix122: I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.


Projection is one of the traits of narcissists.
 
2012-10-21 03:14:47 PM

cc_rider: I believe there are several more credible sources about voter suppression/dirty tricks/GOP fraud than an an article written by some 9/11 troofer on an Iranian state news site, no?


Six of one.
 
2012-10-21 03:15:19 PM

Dwight_Yeast: TomD9938: If American elections are corrupt and Carter won an American election, his election must have been brought about by corrupt means.

/retarded kidjpeg
// ha ha!

I think you've managed to count to "carrot."

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: 5 individuals in Washington DC are going to make sure Romney is elected. All the GOP has to do is make the theft look reasonable. Just keep the margin supposedly close.

It's not going to be that close. And I believe, if they act on the same arguments in the same way if it did become a Supremes case, they'd have to either throw it to Obama (speedy transition of power) or back to the House. The interesting that about Bush v. Gore is that it only applied in that once instance and stated in the ruling that it didn't set president.


Well, actually, it DID set President. It just didn't set precedent.
 
2012-10-21 03:18:05 PM

jso2897: Well, actually, it DID set President. It just didn't set precedent.


Lack of coffee, stubby fingers, Cheeto dust in the keyboard and autocorrect.

But you got the gist, which is the important thing.
 
2012-10-21 03:24:00 PM

RedPhoenix122: There's also the numerous voter ID laws being pushed, the gerrymandering of districts to favor republicans, and the link between Bain Capital and voting machines in swing states.


I hate the gerrymandering bullshiat, but unfortunately, it is completely legal.
 
2012-10-21 03:26:49 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: "And it gets worse. Karl Rove and the Republican election fraud machine not only stole the 2004 elections, they murdered the computer expert who orchestrated the theft, Mike Connell, shortly before he was scheduled to testify in court against Rove."

The basement in which this was written must be a very, very scary place.


But also very entertaining.
 
2012-10-21 03:27:40 PM

3_Butt_Cheeks: Semantic Warrior: The U.S. is supposed to be the paragon of democracy. There shouldn't even be any doubt or question to the system that we use to cast and count our votes. That there is, should be a giant red flag. No one that would call themselves a patriot should stand for any possible flaw, no matter how slight or unlikely it is to effect the outcome.

That the family of a candidate for POTUS can own the company that owns the voting machines, machines with no means of authenticating votes, isn't just ridiculous, it's a national embarrassment.

This post is the embarrassment.


Most of your posts are.
 
2012-10-21 03:28:44 PM
Let's skip the text and look for the subtext....

He's one of the primary 9/11 Truthers.

Yet the mainstream media, owned by the same interests behind the "black-box" voting machines that manufacture election outcomes, won't touch the issue.


He believes it's all a monolithic GOP backing conspiracy ala Bilderburg & Bohemian Grove.

He might have a point, but he's so full of whargarble I wouldn't associate myself with him.
 
2012-10-21 03:29:09 PM
like I said - at least in my area, we're not seeing the Republicans out there doing the work necessary to get Romney elected. which is awesome...but it makes me wonder what their plan is...
 
2012-10-21 03:29:27 PM

Generation_D: TomD9938: FTA : Former President Jimmy Carter says that American elections, unlike elections in banana republics, are so hopelessly corrupt that they are not even worth monitoring

Well, it's certainly true that Carter won by fraud, so the writer may have a point.

What derpiverse did you come up with that one from.

The recognized fraudulent presidencies are usually accepted to be Rutherford B Hayes, Warren Glamiel Harding, John Fitzgerald Kennedy and George W. Bush.

The list of corrupt presidents once elected is a bit longer, really, it would be shorter to just list the ones who were not corrupt.

Carter is usually considered inept, well intentioned, and the victim of the original October Surprise (George Herbert Walker Bush's secret deal with the Ayatollah Khomeini to not release the hostages until after the election, and in return we'd sell them weapons once Reagan got elected)


Do you really thing that there has been any non-rigged Presidential election since Kennedy? LOL!
 
2012-10-21 03:32:57 PM

cc_rider: Dammit. Fark threw away my link to the author's wiki page: Link


*click*

In April and October 2007, Barrett did a series of speaking engagements in Michigan, Chicago, and Wisconsin with William Rodriguez. The month after this tour, Barrett announced to the press his intention to fly to Morocco to "apprehend accused 9/11 hijacker Waleed al-Shehri." [16] Unable to locate his quarry, Barrett had to content himself with penning dispatches from cafes, and a humorous airport story.

dafuq?

Barrett began promoting Captain Eric May and his numerological predictions of upcoming "false flag" (faked) terrorist attacks, none of which ever came to pass.

Okay, got it now, slightly unstable 911 troofer, Islamic convert in the "no one as zealous as" sense with a chronic case of Attention Whore Syndrome and not enuff juice to make it as a guest on Coast2Coast.

Surprised he doesn't have a Fark handle.
 
2012-10-21 03:39:16 PM

Weaver95: in the black neighborhoods there have been GOP flyers being posted with incorrect information about Pennsylvania's voter ID law


this one is state sponsored. and Hispanic. the PA state government has done everything in their power to push the ID law even disobeying a federal court order.

remember: voter ID which will allow Romney to win PA - done
 
2012-10-21 03:44:06 PM
This is the forth article I've seen recently predicting social unrest if Romney wins. The lefties are whipping themselves into a pre-loss frenzy and telling their minions that they're justified in rioting if they don't get what they want.

i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-10-21 03:48:25 PM

Curious: remember: voter ID which will allow Romney to win PA - done


Except that it's been overturned for the coming election; even those not showing ID in PA will be allowed to vote.

/can't believe it wasn't overturned completely.
//have a feeling it will eventually go to the Supremes.
 
2012-10-21 03:57:46 PM

qorkfiend: Point of order: early voting has begun in several states. The election has indeed begun.


THIS. If anyone is trying to get out the vote, tell them to get out this week. When you do early voting, you can vote other places than your local precinct, and if there's a history of there not being enough voting machines, go to one with more.

Most people have made up their minds already, and they need to go ahead and vote. There is no need to wait for election day, and why should you? I haven't voted on election day since 1996, I always vote earlier, and that way I avoid the hassle.

This race will be won by turnout. The Democrats lost in 2010 because of low voter turnout. They can't make that mistake this year. They need to get out the vote and start doing it tomorrow. If there's early voting, people need to get out and vote ASAP.

There is no reason not to vote. Even if it's the lesser of two evils, it's still keeping the greater evil at bay. Most of America didn't vote in 2010 and look at how well that worked out for us.
 
2012-10-21 03:59:05 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Except that it's been overturned for the coming election; even those not showing ID in PA will be allowed to vote.


Yeah, but the billboards are still up threatening jail for those PA voters that attempt to vote without showing proper ID. fark Republicans.
 
2012-10-21 04:04:59 PM

Delay: AbbeySomeone: That word implies choice. Many people feel that the decision has already been made and we are just participating in a charade at this point.

I understand how you feel, but I'm not that cynical.

We do have a choice, and mostly it's to vote or not. Nate Silver had an column on it, or whatever you call his New York Times gig. He summarized polls show folks who are considered unlikely to vote, for one reason or another, favor Obama over Romney something like 3:1. I'm too lazy today to look it up.

Every get out the vote effort helps typical working folks and hurts Romney. So, it's not a charade. Be sure to vote.


That sounds nice and all, but I can guarantee you that Utah will swing Romney 100% on the electoral college vote. My wife and I are still going to vote, and we're going to vote Obama, but we're farked anyway.

Are there restrictions on who the Electors can vote for?

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires Electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require Electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories-Electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.

The U.S. Supreme Court has held that the Constitution does not require that Electors be completely free to act as they choose and therefore, political parties may extract pledges from electors to vote for the parties' nominees. Some State laws provide that so-called "faithless Electors"; may be subject to fines or may be disqualified for casting an invalid vote and be replaced by a substitute elector. The Supreme Court has not specifically ruled on the question of whether pledges and penalties for failure to vote as pledged may be enforced under the Constitution. No Elector has ever been prosecuted for failing to vote as pledged.

Today, it is rare for Electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of Electors have voted as pledged.


Welcome to our "Democracy"
 
2012-10-21 04:14:11 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: And no matter what rational people say, if Romney wins it will be considered a theft by some.


Maybe if he wouldn't have let his investments switch to farking voting computer companies?

Nah, you're right, nobody "RATIONAL" could possibly see this as unethical.
 
2012-10-21 04:16:06 PM

jjorsett: This is the forth article I've seen recently predicting social unrest if Romney wins. The lefties are whipping themselves into a pre-loss frenzy and telling their minions that they're justified in rioting if they don't get what they want.

[i49.tinypic.com image 504x323]


Try to be a rational, thinking person for a change and please tell me what would the reaction be from the right if a close relative of Obama's owned the voting machines in several states, and a state senator from a state that had just passed laws which would disenfranchise a large number of Republican voters said that it was to guarantee Obama's victory.

Tell me what Fox and Rush and Beck and people like you here on Fark would be saying about these developments.
 
2012-10-21 04:22:24 PM

soporific: qorkfiend: Point of order: early voting has begun in several states. The election has indeed begun.

THIS. If anyone is trying to get out the vote, tell them to get out this week. When you do early voting, you can vote other places than your local precinct, and if there's a history of there not being enough voting machines, go to one with more.

Most people have made up their minds already, and they need to go ahead and vote. There is no need to wait for election day, and why should you? I haven't voted on election day since 1996, I always vote earlier, and that way I avoid the hassle.

This race will be won by turnout. The Democrats lost in 2010 because of low voter turnout. They can't make that mistake this year. They need to get out the vote and start doing it tomorrow. If there's early voting, people need to get out and vote ASAP.

There is no reason not to vote. Even if it's the lesser of two evils, it's still keeping the greater evil at bay. Most of America didn't vote in 2010 and look at how well that worked out for us.




This is a good place to start if you need information about voting.

Elections Assistance Commission - Resources for Voters  (www.eac.gov)
 
2012-10-21 04:24:21 PM

Mikey1969: That sounds nice and all, but I can guarantee you that Utah will swing Romney 100% on the electoral college vote. My wife and I are still going to vote, and we're going to vote Obama, but we're farked anyway.


No you are not. Even Mormons hate the liar.
 
2012-10-21 04:30:12 PM

Delay: Mikey1969: That sounds nice and all, but I can guarantee you that Utah will swing Romney 100% on the electoral college vote. My wife and I are still going to vote, and we're going to vote Obama, but we're farked anyway.

No you are not. Even Mormons hate the liar.


Wait, what?

The Salt Lake Tribune, the largest paper in the overwhelmingly Mormon state of Utah, has endorsed Obama.

0.o This sounds like good news... for Obama.

But the nice lady on FOX with the bouncy jumblies assured me...

*has to go lie down*
 
2012-10-21 04:39:04 PM

Delay: Mikey1969: That sounds nice and all, but I can guarantee you that Utah will swing Romney 100% on the electoral college vote. My wife and I are still going to vote, and we're going to vote Obama, but we're farked anyway.

No you are not. Even Mormons hate the liar.


quatchi: 0.o This sounds like good news... for Obama.

But the nice lady on FOX with the bouncy jumblies assured me...

*has to go lie down*

The Trib

is the more "Liberal" of the two newspapers here. I'm not too surprised by this. When The Deseret News endorses Obama, THEN you have a news story. I mean, this is good news, but not exactly Romney's death-knell for Utah.
 
2012-10-21 04:45:12 PM
It's going to be Florida2: Electric Boogaloo, isn't it?

Come on, we're all thinking the same thing.
 
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