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2012-10-21 11:39:28 AM  
Hey listen trollmitter, TFA is factual.
 
2012-10-21 11:47:08 AM  
while there have been some silly business with the polls....I've been out on the campaign trail in my local area and I can say I haven't seen any evidence of fraud on the part of the GOP. well, at least in my area anyways. In fact I haven't seen the GOP out there at all. plenty of signs but no door to door canvassing and no phone banks.

there was one questionable incident that I can verify I've seen with my own eyes - in the black neighborhoods there have been GOP flyers being posted with incorrect information about Pennsylvania's voter ID law. someone in the GOP (or who's leaning GOP) has been pushing flyers that say the voter ID law is still in effect. this is untrue, since the courts have suspended the law until after the current election is over. so either the GOP is ill informed...or they're playing stupid on purpose. either way it's scummy behavior.

but that's the only thing I can say i've seen done with my own eyes. if there's any other funny bidness going on, I haven't seen any evidence of it.
 
2012-10-21 11:49:37 AM  
While I'm a big skeptic of the whole "hacked voting machine" conspiracy theory, there is little doubt that the GOP has taken the position that since they can't win by simply counting votes, that voter suppression is the way to go.
 
2012-10-21 11:55:44 AM  
No matter what Republicans say, voting is a right, not a crime.
 
2012-10-21 11:58:56 AM  

Delay: No matter what Republicans say, voting is a right, not a crime.


Only if you're not a white male landowner.
 
2012-10-21 12:00:11 PM  

Dinki: While I'm a big skeptic of the whole "hacked voting machine" conspiracy theory, there is little doubt that the GOP has taken the position that since they can't win by simply counting votes, that voter suppression is the way to go.


well....I've seen evidence that the GOP is putting out incorrect information, but nothing more than that. the assumption is that they're deliberately misinforming minority voters but I couldn't prove it.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:14 PM  
It will be a close election. Both sides will cry fraud.

I want a 269 tie where the house voted in Romney and the Senate votes in Biden as Veep.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:24 PM  

Weaver95: Dinki: While I'm a big skeptic of the whole "hacked voting machine" conspiracy theory, there is little doubt that the GOP has taken the position that since they can't win by simply counting votes, that voter suppression is the way to go.

well....I've seen evidence that the GOP is putting out incorrect information, but nothing more than that. the assumption is that they're deliberately misinforming minority voters but I couldn't prove it.


There's also the numerous voter ID laws being pushed, the gerrymandering of districts to favor republicans, and the link between Bain Capital and voting machines in swing states.
 
2012-10-21 12:04:31 PM  
Can you republicans put down the farking partisan bullshiat for two seconds and honestly say that there's nothing shady about Romney's son buying out voting machines in a swing state? If you saw that in a comedy movie you would yell bullshiat.
 
2012-10-21 12:05:54 PM  

RedPhoenix122:
There's also the numerous voter ID laws being pushed, the gerrymandering of districts to favor republicans, and the link between Bain Capital and voting machines in swing states.


As despicable as that is, it's legal.
 
2012-10-21 12:11:59 PM  

Mugato: Can you republicans put down the farking partisan bullshiat for two seconds and honestly say that there's nothing shady about Romney's son buying out voting machines in a swing state?


No.

Mugato: If you saw that in a comedy movie you would yell bullshiat.


If Michele bought a similar amount, the right would start killing people.
 
2012-10-21 12:12:45 PM  

Weaver95: RedPhoenix122:
There's also the numerous voter ID laws being pushed, the gerrymandering of districts to favor republicans, and the link between Bain Capital and voting machines in swing states.

As despicable as that is, it's legal.


Oh, I know, but it still evidence of voter suppression. I also forgot to mention the multiple incidents of people throwing away voter registration forms.
 
2012-10-21 12:20:16 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122:
There's also the numerous voter ID laws being pushed, the gerrymandering of districts to favor republicans, and the link between Bain Capital and voting machines in swing states.

As despicable as that is, it's legal.

Oh, I know, but it still evidence of voter suppression. I also forgot to mention the multiple incidents of people throwing away voter registration forms.


now - throwing away voter reg forms is highly illegal, and we've got at least ONE documented case of it happening this year. if there's more, or if it shows up that it's part of a larger/organized effort to disenfranchise voters then we've got a very big problem.

I have to admit, i'm a bit concerned. we're out there pushing the vote hard: phone banking, knocking on doors, running social media sites and doing all the things we're supposed to do to get someone elected. But the Republicans aren't pushing as hard. we're not seeing them out there organizing anywhere near the level we are. there's some phone banking going on but nobody is knocking on doors like we are. And we would have seen them by now. our teams have been all over the place. we even managed to get people to knock on doors FOR DEMOCRATS in Perry county...which is redneck territory. But we're not seeing GOP types out there knocking on doors. we've seen signs everywhere though. professional ones, big and small. them things cost some bucks too, lemme tell ya. so i'm thinking the GOP has decided to go with TV ads and signs, at least for this phase of the campaign. They're coming down to the wire though and if they decide to only push on the last week prior to the election then they're going to find we've been there first and talking to people for a while now.
 
2012-10-21 12:26:23 PM  

Mugato: Can you republicans put down the farking partisan bullshiat for two seconds and honestly say that there's nothing shady about Romney's son buying out voting machines in a swing state? If you saw that in a comedy movie you would yell bullshiat.


The same son, Tagg, when asked what he wanted to do at the debate, "Well, jump out of your seat and you want to rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him. But you know, you can't do that because - well, first, 'cause there's a lot of Secret Service between you and him."

Republicans have done everything they can do to suppress Democrats vote. The have rigged voting hours, attempted to have poll workers "mistakes" invalidate votes (Ohio), purged voter lists and now this. As Tagg Romney says, Republicans would physically do more illegal stuff, except it might them put themselves in danger.
 
2012-10-21 12:32:30 PM  

Delay: Mugato: Can you republicans put down the farking partisan bullshiat for two seconds and honestly say that there's nothing shady about Romney's son buying out voting machines in a swing state? If you saw that in a comedy movie you would yell bullshiat.

The same son, Tagg, when asked what he wanted to do at the debate, "Well, jump out of your seat and you want to rush down to the debate stage and take a swing at him. But you know, you can't do that because - well, first, 'cause there's a lot of Secret Service between you and him."

Republicans have done everything they can do to suppress Democrats vote. The have rigged voting hours, attempted to have poll workers "mistakes" invalidate votes (Ohio), purged voter lists and now this. As Tagg Romney says, Republicans would physically do more illegal stuff, except it might them put themselves in danger.


I think what bothers me most about team Romney is the smug attitude of entitlement. Romney seems to believe that he should be president because he's rich and he wants it.
 
2012-10-21 12:41:52 PM  
I lived in a predominantly black neighborhood back in the 2004 election. In our neighborhood, there were like 2 voting machines for everyone registered in the area. I had to take an entire day off of work just to wait in line.

Interestingly, in the white suburbs, there were no lines at all. Guess who got to decide how to distribute the machines? One of George W's former campaign advisers. I'm sure there was nothing sketchy about that at all.
 
2012-10-21 12:42:12 PM  

Weaver95: I think what bothers me most about team Romney is the smug attitude of entitlement. Romney seems to believe that he should be president because he's rich and he wants it.


Weaver, I agree with you. Suppose you learned that in some country, lets pick Kazakhstan, they held their election and one candidate and his company owned the voting machines. What would that tell you about the candidate and the process?
 
2012-10-21 12:46:27 PM  

Delay: Weaver95: I think what bothers me most about team Romney is the smug attitude of entitlement. Romney seems to believe that he should be president because he's rich and he wants it.

Weaver, I agree with you. Suppose you learned that in some country, lets pick Kazakhstan, they held their election and one candidate and his company owned the voting machines. What would that tell you about the candidate and the process?


it would strike me as questionable...but not conclusive.
 
2012-10-21 12:51:36 PM  

Weaver95: it would strike me as questionable...but not conclusive.


Fair enough, but why would Romney do such a questionable thing if it were not necessary. Seems as if he knows not owning the voting machines, which have no paper audit, they're black box machines, would be worse for him than not owning them. Same reasoning with the release of his income taxes. Romney knew showing them would be worse than the implication that he had stuff to hide.
 
2012-10-21 12:56:14 PM  

Delay: Weaver95: it would strike me as questionable...but not conclusive.

Fair enough, but why would Romney do such a questionable thing if it were not necessary. Seems as if he knows not owning the voting machines, which have no paper audit, they're black box machines, would be worse for him than not owning them. Same reasoning with the release of his income taxes. Romney knew showing them would be worse than the implication that he had stuff to hide.


again - questionable but not illegal. And not evidence of a conspiracy. however...why hide it? you could make the case that Romney simply wanted to avoid controversy...but he certainly didn't seem to care about openly refusing to release his tax returns. so he isn't afraid of controversy. why hide purchasing voting machines then? the only thing I can think of is that Romney doesn't seem to think buying a bunch of voting machines presents any sort of conflict of interest. given what i've seen of the man, I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.
 
2012-10-21 01:08:21 PM  
will Americans -- especially African-Americans -- take to the streets

I think I know which Farker wrote that article.
 
2012-10-21 01:09:00 PM  

Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.


I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.
 
2012-10-21 01:10:23 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.


that's also a valid possibility.
 
2012-10-21 01:15:16 PM  

Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.

that's also a valid possibility.


I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.
 
2012-10-21 01:20:47 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.

that's also a valid possibility.

I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.


...and then gets angry when someone calls him out on that sort of bullshiat...
 
2012-10-21 01:24:06 PM  

Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.

that's also a valid possibility.

I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.

...and then gets angry when someone calls him out on that sort of bullshiat...


The worst part is it's not in the past, Bain is about to close down one in Freeport, Illinois and I'm noticing a small amount, but not much, discussion about it, and a complete silence from the Romney camp.

Also, per my list earlier, voter coercion. Several companies are now threatening to lay off people if Obama is reelected. The total amount of BS in this election is staggering.
 
2012-10-21 01:27:14 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.

that's also a valid possibility.

I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.


Romney doesn't outsource jobs. He doesn't make any hands-on business decisions. All he does is place bets on what other people are going to do, just like a sports gambler.
 
2012-10-21 01:30:39 PM  

RedPhoenix122:
The worst part is it's not in the past, Bain is about to close down one in Freeport, Illinois and I'm noticing a small amount, but not much, discussion about it, and a complete silence from the Romney camp.

Also, per my list earlier, voter coercion. Several companies are now threatening to lay off people if Obama is reelected. The total amount of BS in this election is staggering.


OWS ran into the same sort of wall of silence. the corporate press DOES NOT want to talk about US companies moving jobs out of this country. they'd rather talk about the weather, or which hollywood starlett is sleeping around with which director/producer. anything other than our fiscal problems or the very well documented flaws in what we laughingly call 'capitalism'. people are angry...but they're not yet starving. we're in that weird 'in between' phase when everyone is mad as hell about the elite bankers but it's too early to start shooting the bastards.

for my part, I am continually amazed at rank and file republicans who think Romney (or the GOP in general) cares about the plight of workers in this country. there are piles of evidence that the GOP doesn't give a shiat about helping the middle class. yet, they still keep right on voting Republican. sometimes you just have to let 'em burn.
 
2012-10-21 01:31:03 PM  

RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: RedPhoenix122: Weaver95: I don't think he understands the concept of 'conflict of interest'.

I think he understands, I just think he doesn't care.

that's also a valid possibility.

I think what bugs me the most is he talks about the problems with outsourcing jobs to China...WHILE outsourcing jobs to China.

...and then gets angry when someone calls him out on that sort of bullshiat...

The worst part is it's not in the past, Bain is about to close down one in Freeport, Illinois and I'm noticing a small amount, but not much, discussion about it, and a complete silence from the Romney camp.

Also, per my list earlier, voter coercion. Several companies are now threatening to lay off people if Obama is reelected. The total amount of BS in this election is staggering.


That word implies choice. Many people feel that the decision has already been made and we are just participating in a charade at this point.
 
2012-10-21 02:07:31 PM  

BarkingUnicorn:

Romney doesn't outsource jobs. He doesn't make any hands-on business decisions. All he does is place bets on what other people are going to do, just like a sports gambler.


did you ever watch this movie? I'd imagine this is how a Romney cabinet meeting would go...
 
2012-10-21 02:11:32 PM  
Point of order: early voting has begun in several states. The election has indeed begun.
 
2012-10-21 02:14:11 PM  

Weaver95: BarkingUnicorn:

Romney doesn't outsource jobs. He doesn't make any hands-on business decisions. All he does is place bets on what other people are going to do, just like a sports gambler.

did you ever watch this movie? I'd imagine this is how a Romney cabinet meeting would go...


Damn that's a good flick. It's certainly how Truthers see the government.
 
2012-10-21 02:14:41 PM  

qorkfiend: Point of order: early voting has begun in several states. The election has indeed begun.


I voted just today, got my ballot Friday though. I know, am lazy! Woo Washington State and everyone getting their ballot in the mail about now!
 
2012-10-21 02:15:04 PM  

ambassador_ahab: Interestingly, in the white suburbs, there were no lines at all. Guess who got to decide how to distribute the machines? One of George W's former campaign advisers. I'm sure there was nothing sketchy about that at all.


Dear lord, you'd get shot if you tried to pull that shiat here. Voting machines are evenly distributed throughout our wards, and there's about one machine for every 150 people. The only time there are lines is after work for major elections.

/votes in the middle of the day.
//my voting division is so small I'm the only "Y" listed in it, which makes it easy when they look me up.
 
2012-10-21 02:17:02 PM  

bbfreak: I voted just today, got my ballot Friday though. I know, am lazy! Woo Washington State and everyone getting their ballot in the mail about now!


We need some sort of Federal law to force all the states to conform to a Washington-type system.
 
2012-10-21 02:19:58 PM  
FTA : Former President Jimmy Carter says that American elections, unlike elections in banana republics, are so hopelessly corrupt that they are not even worth monitoring

Well, it's certainly true that Carter won by fraud, so the writer may have a point.
 
2012-10-21 02:20:41 PM  
So we greenlight Iranian propaganda now? KCNA wants a turn.
 
2012-10-21 02:28:08 PM  

AbbeySomeone: Hey listen trollmitter, TFA is factual.


I guess I'll take your word for it, since all I got was...

http://edition.presstv.ir/iphone/

/this is NOT an iphone, jackholes!

xkcd-server-attention-span.jgp
 
2012-10-21 02:28:38 PM  

Weaver95: while there have been some silly business with the polls....I've been out on the campaign trail in my local area and I can say I haven't seen any evidence of fraud on the part of the GOP. well, at least in my area anyways. In fact I haven't seen the GOP out there at all. plenty of signs but no door to door canvassing and no phone banks.

there was one questionable incident that I can verify I've seen with my own eyes - in the black neighborhoods there have been GOP flyers being posted with incorrect information about Pennsylvania's voter ID law. someone in the GOP (or who's leaning GOP) has been pushing flyers that say the voter ID law is still in effect. this is untrue, since the courts have suspended the law until after the current election is over. so either the GOP is ill informed...or they're playing stupid on purpose. either way it's scummy behavior.

but that's the only thing I can say i've seen done with my own eyes. if there's any other funny bidness going on, I haven't seen any evidence of it.


That's what is really strange for us, too. We live in a fairly rural area. I've been visited several times by Democrats (both local and federal elections). I have yet to see any Republicans walking the streets or talking to people. All there seems to be are signs, and not many of those.

/guess they are relying on the hardcore derpers
 
2012-10-21 02:28:53 PM  

Delay: Weaver95: it would strike me as questionable...but not conclusive.

Fair enough, but why would Romney do such a questionable thing if it were not necessary. Seems as if he knows not owning the voting machines, which have no paper audit, they're black box machines, would be worse for him than not owning them. Same reasoning with the release of his income taxes. Romney knew showing them would be worse than the implication that he had stuff to hide.


More importantly, why isnt our so called liberal media all over it like white on rice.

You know they would be if Obama or Democrats owned voting machines and was quoted as saying they'd like to take a swing at the president.

Fair and Balanced means Right Wing Only.
 
2012-10-21 02:29:53 PM  

AbbeySomeone: That word implies choice. Many people feel that the decision has already been made and we are just participating in a charade at this point.


Those people would either be idiots or Calvanists, and I'm not sure where one group ends and the other begins.
 
2012-10-21 02:31:38 PM  

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Weaver95: while there have been some silly business with the polls....I've been out on the campaign trail in my local area and I can say I haven't seen any evidence of fraud on the part of the GOP. well, at least in my area anyways. In fact I haven't seen the GOP out there at all. plenty of signs but no door to door canvassing and no phone banks.

there was one questionable incident that I can verify I've seen with my own eyes - in the black neighborhoods there have been GOP flyers being posted with incorrect information about Pennsylvania's voter ID law. someone in the GOP (or who's leaning GOP) has been pushing flyers that say the voter ID law is still in effect. this is untrue, since the courts have suspended the law until after the current election is over. so either the GOP is ill informed...or they're playing stupid on purpose. either way it's scummy behavior.

but that's the only thing I can say i've seen done with my own eyes. if there's any other funny bidness going on, I haven't seen any evidence of it.

That's what is really strange for us, too. We live in a fairly rural area. I've been visited several times by Democrats (both local and federal elections). I have yet to see any Republicans walking the streets or talking to people. All there seems to be are signs, and not many of those.

/guess they are relying on the hardcore derpers


I honestly don't know what the GOP plan to win the election is this year...but they haven't been out hitting the streets like the Democrats.
 
2012-10-21 02:32:52 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: bbfreak: I voted just today, got my ballot Friday though. I know, am lazy! Woo Washington State and everyone getting their ballot in the mail about now!

We need some sort of Federal law to force all the states to conform to a Washington-type system.


I certainly don't disagree, takes the hassle out of voting and your ballot even comes with a handy voters' pamphlet that explains what exactly you're voting for in most cases (more local county measures probably aren't in it but are probably online in a similar manner to the pamphlet for various counties). The pamphlet is also online in audio or plain text: Example: For & Against Arguments for Same Sex Marriage in WA State in Audio form. Pretty nifty.
 
2012-10-21 02:33:10 PM  

TomD9938: FTA : Former President Jimmy Carter says that American elections, unlike elections in banana republics, are so hopelessly corrupt that they are not even worth monitoring

Well, it's certainly true that Carter won by fraud, so the writer may have a point.


4.bp.blogspot.com 

Do tell.
 
2012-10-21 02:37:17 PM  
5 individuals in Washington DC are going to make sure Romney is elected. All the GOP has to do is make the theft look reasonable. Just keep the margin supposedly close.
 
2012-10-21 02:38:12 PM  

Weaver95: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Weaver95: while there have been some silly business with the polls....I've been out on the campaign trail in my local area and I can say I haven't seen any evidence of fraud on the part of the GOP. well, at least in my area anyways. In fact I haven't seen the GOP out there at all. plenty of signs but no door to door canvassing and no phone banks.

there was one questionable incident that I can verify I've seen with my own eyes - in the black neighborhoods there have been GOP flyers being posted with incorrect information about Pennsylvania's voter ID law. someone in the GOP (or who's leaning GOP) has been pushing flyers that say the voter ID law is still in effect. this is untrue, since the courts have suspended the law until after the current election is over. so either the GOP is ill informed...or they're playing stupid on purpose. either way it's scummy behavior.

but that's the only thing I can say i've seen done with my own eyes. if there's any other funny bidness going on, I haven't seen any evidence of it.

That's what is really strange for us, too. We live in a fairly rural area. I've been visited several times by Democrats (both local and federal elections). I have yet to see any Republicans walking the streets or talking to people. All there seems to be are signs, and not many of those.

/guess they are relying on the hardcore derpers

I honestly don't know what the GOP plan to win the election is this year...but they haven't been out hitting the streets like the Democrats.


No, and it will be interesting to see it if the street level organizing on the part of the Dems pays off so well that even the media is caught flatfooted. I know a good number of conservatives who are actually kind of pissed that the Republicans seem to be relying on flyers and nothing else.
 
2012-10-21 02:38:24 PM  

Weaver95: whizbangthedirtfarmer: Weaver95: while there have been some silly business with the polls....I've been out on the campaign trail in my local area and I can say I haven't seen any evidence of fraud on the part of the GOP. well, at least in my area anyways. In fact I haven't seen the GOP out there at all. plenty of signs but no door to door canvassing and no phone banks.

there was one questionable incident that I can verify I've seen with my own eyes - in the black neighborhoods there have been GOP flyers being posted with incorrect information about Pennsylvania's voter ID law. someone in the GOP (or who's leaning GOP) has been pushing flyers that say the voter ID law is still in effect. this is untrue, since the courts have suspended the law until after the current election is over. so either the GOP is ill informed...or they're playing stupid on purpose. either way it's scummy behavior.

but that's the only thing I can say i've seen done with my own eyes. if there's any other funny bidness going on, I haven't seen any evidence of it.

That's what is really strange for us, too. We live in a fairly rural area. I've been visited several times by Democrats (both local and federal elections). I have yet to see any Republicans walking the streets or talking to people. All there seems to be are signs, and not many of those.

/guess they are relying on the hardcore derpers

I honestly don't know what the GOP plan to win the election is this year...but they haven't been out hitting the streets like the Democrats.


Why hit the streets when you own the damned voting machines?
 
2012-10-21 02:40:36 PM  

El Pachuco: TomD9938: FTA : Former President Jimmy Carter says that American elections, unlike elections in banana republics, are so hopelessly corrupt that they are not even worth monitoring

Well, it's certainly true that Carter won by fraud, so the writer may have a point.

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 137x141] 

Do tell.


If American elections are corrupt and Carter won an American election, his election must have been brought about by corrupt means. 

/retarded kidjpeg
// ha ha!
 
2012-10-21 02:43:37 PM  
Yeah, these voting machines have been suspect since they hit the street, yet they're still being used. Go figure.

I just want to see where they go with the 'Romney Family Owns Electronic Voting Machine Company' angle. I hope someone scrapes the slime off this story next week and really breaks it... So far, it's kind of small potatoes, but seems to be picking up some steam.

Jesus, they run on the 'morals' platform, yet they're crooked as all fark.
 
2012-10-21 02:45:03 PM  

TomD9938: If American elections are corrupt and Carter won an American election, his election must have been brought about by corrupt means.

/retarded kidjpeg
// ha ha!


I think you've managed to count to "carrot."

Jiro Dreams Of McRibs: 5 individuals in Washington DC are going to make sure Romney is elected. All the GOP has to do is make the theft look reasonable. Just keep the margin supposedly close.


It's not going to be that close. And I believe, if they act on the same arguments in the same way if it did become a Supremes case, they'd have to either throw it to Obama (speedy transition of power) or back to the House. The interesting that about Bush v. Gore is that it only applied in that once instance and stated in the ruling that it didn't set president.
 
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