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(Huffington Post)   Old and Busted: Asking your employees to vote for Romney. New Hotness: Asking your employees for campaign contributions for Romney   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 47
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2012-10-21 02:01:32 PM  
5 votes:
Seriously, if Obama were as bad of a president as Republicans say he is, why would they have to lie to, blackmail, and disenfranchise people to get them to donate to and vote for Romney? Why couldn't they just tell the truth and let that be enough motivation? What are they really afraid of?
2012-10-21 12:39:50 PM  
5 votes:
The thing of this, too, is that unlike the vote, since campaign contributions are reported, you really can check to see if your employees did as you asked. This is some scary shiat, and the FEC should be all over anyone who pulls this shiat.
2012-10-21 12:30:50 PM  
3 votes:
All of this shiat is what happens in an atmosphere where an irrational hatred and caricaturisation of your opponent is strategically engineered. Any...and I mean ANY...means by which you defeat the straw man you've manufactured is justified. To these people, the imaginary all-powerful, Voldemort-like specter that is OBAMA!!!!1111111OMGSOSHILIZM!!!1111 must be defeated at all costs.

I don't want to overstate, but I'm actually concerned about what some of these pin-headed zealots might do when Obama wins.
2012-10-21 12:16:29 PM  
3 votes:
The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.
2012-10-21 12:12:45 PM  
3 votes:
As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.
2012-10-21 11:59:56 AM  
3 votes:

raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.


Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.
2012-10-21 11:02:10 AM  
3 votes:
Jesus. farking. Christ.
2012-10-21 06:24:52 PM  
2 votes:
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."

This sort of shenanigans is a prime example of why we *need* unions.
2012-10-21 04:59:12 PM  
2 votes:
Incoming firing of people who violated some random rule at work who just happened to not donate to Romney.
2012-10-21 04:20:43 PM  
2 votes:
Is it just me, or if you take out the location and names of news stories, these stories could be replaced with any third world or unstable country?

No one would blink an eye if this was North Korea knowing they support the great party or else. America's not there yet, and that's a good thing. But why on earth are you racing there?
2012-10-21 04:14:27 PM  
2 votes:

DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.


It's a mainframe management, monitoring, and mainframe-desktop integration company. Candle Corporation had that market sewed up years ago before IBM bought them. That IBM bought Candle Corporation and not ASG speaks volumes about ASG's software, software niche, and their approach to the business.

In short, a conservative software company running against IBM in IBM's back yard fairs poorly when capital expenditures (read, mainframe sales and services) are down. Film at 11.

/ blame someone else for your failings
// it's the executive, GOP way
2012-10-21 03:08:14 PM  
2 votes:

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Integration. Everybody is outsourscing back office functions. If you can tie a company's internals to software-as-service and cloud services, you're a hot commodity. I haven't had a resume searchable out there for a year, and I get three to five emails a week from recruiters.
Fortunately, I really like my current employer, so somebody else can have those gigs.
2012-10-21 02:49:49 PM  
2 votes:
And my Republican friends roll their eyes when I use the term "company store" to describe their party's labor policy. If you think we're too enlightened nowadays to go back to the time of Pinkertons and dynamite-throwers, you've got another thing coming.
2012-10-21 02:37:49 PM  
2 votes:

Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


The bigger issue is that because campaign donations are a matter of public record, your employer can actually look you up and see if you made the donation to that candidate he suggested...or to the other guy.
2012-10-21 02:14:44 PM  
2 votes:
Thanks, Citizens United!

/and fark you, Supreme Court!
2012-10-21 02:10:47 PM  
2 votes:
What kind of an asshole must this guy be to work for. MY boss is a diehard republican. He spouts off about Obama birth certificate, shows crappy youtube videos about "how the n****r still failed", says how Obamacare is going to drive him out of business (he's got 12 employees, so it doesn't even apply to him), and every other day he's biatching about how "the kenyan asshole" personally changed our local building codes to fark him over when he tried to build a new shop without a permit. The only talking point he doesn't repeat is the 'no new hiring until Obama is out of office' line.

And even HE wouldn't be brave enough to send out an email asking people to pony up $2500 for Romney because he knows he'd get laughed out of his own shop.
2012-10-21 01:48:07 PM  
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: This guy's a farking imbecile. You cannot expect emails like these to stay out of the news. Who's going to buy enterprise software from a firm that has to borrow from its employees?


Have you seen the news recently? Pretty safe bet this won't be talked about on TV, where most Americans unfortunately still get their news.
2012-10-21 01:43:19 PM  
2 votes:
It gets better. Arthur Allen also asked his employees to defer their compensation until December to help the company meet a $15 million interest payment. That was after urging them to donate $2500 to Romney. Link

This guy's a farking imbecile. You cannot expect emails like these to stay out of the news. Who's going to buy enterprise software from a firm that has to borrow from its employees?
2012-10-21 12:46:38 PM  
2 votes:

Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.



I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.
2012-10-21 12:39:25 PM  
2 votes:
The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.
2012-10-21 12:30:43 PM  
2 votes:
Surprised he just didn't deduct from their paychecks.
2012-10-22 08:42:36 AM  
1 votes:
the Balance of Power has shifted in America from the Citizens and their Government to Companies and their Owners (stockholders and company brass)


now you know why things are going down the shiatter. Obama is trying to stop the slide but so many Americans insist on being slaves in the Free Democratic Republic they were born in.


tisk tisk.
2012-10-21 07:43:33 PM  
1 votes:
Hell, I work for Republican Mormons and not even they would do something like this.
2012-10-21 07:33:45 PM  
1 votes:

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: FTA: "We need to elect a fiscally conservative President and Vice-President and stop this ridiculous government spending"

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Yeah. You give us candidates that are actually fiscally conservative, and we'll vote for them...as long as they're not connected to that Christian crap.

Hell, Barack Obama is more "fiscally conservative" than any Republican President since Nixon. So was Clinton. I guarantee you that had McCain won, the debt wouldn't have doubled under his watch. That's right; it would have tripled at the very least.
2012-10-21 07:25:57 PM  
1 votes:

cchris_39: randomjsa: Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."

^THIS.


You misspelled "DERP".
2012-10-21 04:31:39 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: BTW here's a longer and better story. He not only told employees to donate, he's now asking if they would defer their pay until December so the company can make an interest payment. And he's flying around on the companies Guflstream jet...


He asks his employees not to be paid until December because his company can't scrounge $15 million for an interest payment and has them on 4 day workweeks, but flies around in a $50 million private jet, along with the expense of a pilot, co-pilot, storage fees, maintenance and fueling costs, shows me why the company has financial issues.
2012-10-21 04:22:10 PM  
1 votes:
BTW here's a longer and better story. He not only told employees to donate, he's now asking if they would defer their pay until December so the company can make an interest payment. And he's flying around on the companies Guflstream jet...
2012-10-21 04:04:43 PM  
1 votes:
Happened to my husband. When he told me this I said No. Farking. Way. I don't care how many brownie points it would be worth.
2012-10-21 03:37:01 PM  
1 votes:

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Indiana for one. We have doubled in size in the last year and can't hire fast enough.
2012-10-21 03:32:04 PM  
1 votes:

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


If you're a network engineer with an expert-level (10 yrs) security/Internet presence background, knowledge of the media/entertainment business and strength in either wireless (BYOD), IP telephony or both - well, we're interviewing out here in Hollyweird.

It's been slim pickings.
2012-10-21 03:23:06 PM  
1 votes:
Oddly enough, back during the Bush administration I worked at a place that passed the hat (complete with recommendations for various levels) for a company PAC. Judging from the company (Defense contractor with strong ties to Pennsylvania manufacturing), my money would have gone to Santorum and Bush. Judging by the way later layoffs went (appeared strictly by job title/rank: the official pecking order matched the engineering side pretty well, but you could tell that some good technicians got screwed and a hapless one was kept) engineering at least wasn't looking at contributions.

Enron was legendary for this, and I am absolutely sure you would suddenly lose your "at will" job if you didn't cough up the expected amount every time they asked.
2012-10-21 03:00:15 PM  
1 votes:

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Honestly, in the database field, where I specialize, companies can't find competent DBAs. My consulting business is overwhelmed because my clients can't find qualified people. It's true in all areas of IT. If you have any personal motivation and skill (and aren't focused on spending 8 hrs/day on Fark) there are lots of companies all over the country looking for you. Half my clients are even in my local area. I log on via VPN from my spare bedroom, which is now my office. If you're willing to build your brand you're guaranteed a solid meal ticket. If you want to stare at DWTS every waking hour, your mileage may vary.
2012-10-21 02:42:53 PM  
1 votes:
This has been going on for a long time. When I was a consultant at one of the ten largest companies in the US, there were constant emails sent out to employees telling them to contact lawmakers on all kinds of issues that that the company felt were important. They also pressured employees to donate to the company's PAC. I was in one meeting where the department manager made clear that upper management kept track of what percentage of employees in each department donated and used that as part of their decision making when deciding on eliminating departments. Being a consultant, none of it applied to me but the employees sure took it seriously.
2012-10-21 02:22:13 PM  
1 votes:
i2.kym-cdn.com
"Corporations are people, my friend!"
2012-10-21 02:02:39 PM  
1 votes:

Free_Chilly_Willy: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

Then those that are offended should have no problem finding another job. The free market solves all.

Also


How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?


The way it sounds like this company is being run (having the CEO ask employees not to be paid until December to make a $15 million interest payment), whoever is still working (which I don't know why they would still be there) won't be there much longer after they go bust.

It's not the President who is killing his business, it's his own dumbass.
2012-10-21 01:56:17 PM  
1 votes:

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!



I have the same problem with how engineering is apparently a great, exploding job field. I wonder if Delaware or something has started funding new civil projects or something.
2012-10-21 01:53:54 PM  
1 votes:

Howie Spankowitz: I don't want to overstate, but I'm actually concerned about what some of these pin-headed zealots might do when Obama wins.


Eh, we were worried about the same thing back in 2008. It turns out that all the spitting hatred from shaved-head "Real Americans" was a whole lot of bark and no bite.
2012-10-21 01:46:12 PM  
1 votes:

DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.


WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!
2012-10-21 01:38:50 PM  
1 votes:
So where are the usual suspects whining about union dues being used to support the "Democrat party"?
2012-10-21 01:26:24 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Codenamechaz: downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.

Worked as an election judge for the '08 and '10 elections. Having recording devices in a place of voting is illegal in general. Voters could have their cell phones with them, but they had to be either off or completely put away. And judges were absolutely forbidden to have anything of a technological nature, short of a digital watch, on them while out on the floor.


Voter intimidation in general is illegal, the legality of recording your ballot is irrelevant at that point. The point being that now more than ever it's easier to make sure the person votes the way you want them to vote.


There's plenty of other ways to intimidate a voter without recording their voting choice.

The Tea Party down in Texas has been "training" republican election judges to question the identity of "suspected illegals" and to utilize challenges to a person's legitimacy to vote to force them to vote provisional.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-10-21 01:24:43 PM  
1 votes:

raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

/I'm glad I work for a nonprofit.


It is illegal, although it's fairly common.

SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.


I have heard of people being prosecuted for this. Often it is "bundlers" trying to get around campaign contribution limits by making their employees donate, often by reimbursing them for the "contribution".
2012-10-21 12:56:01 PM  
1 votes:

downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.


Worked as an election judge for the '08 and '10 elections. Having recording devices in a place of voting is illegal in general. Voters could have their cell phones with them, but they had to be either off or completely put away. And judges were absolutely forbidden to have anything of a technological nature, short of a digital watch, on them while out on the floor.
2012-10-21 12:24:03 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.


It is pretty sad when the Fark Politics tab is the LEAST troll-infested place on the internet.

/if you really want to get in the kitty smacking mood, take a look at Barack Obama's Facebook page
2012-10-21 12:06:09 PM  
1 votes:

SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.


The GOP would scream "Infringement of free speech"
2012-10-21 11:51:09 AM  
1 votes:
Clearly the answer is to crack down on unions.
2012-10-21 11:23:37 AM  
1 votes:
I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

/I'm glad I work for a nonprofit.
2012-10-21 11:12:36 AM  
1 votes:
If by "asking", you mean "giving a thinly veiled threat", then yes.
 
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