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2012-10-21 11:02:10 AM  
Jesus. farking. Christ.
 
2012-10-21 11:07:52 AM  

logistic: Jesus. farking. Christ.


This!
 
2012-10-21 11:12:36 AM  
If by "asking", you mean "giving a thinly veiled threat", then yes.
 
2012-10-21 11:23:37 AM  
I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

/I'm glad I work for a nonprofit.
 
2012-10-21 11:51:09 AM  
Clearly the answer is to crack down on unions.
 
2012-10-21 11:59:56 AM  

raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.


Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:26 PM  
FTA: "We need to elect a fiscally conservative President and Vice-President and stop this ridiculous government spending"

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2012-10-21 12:06:09 PM  

SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.


The GOP would scream "Infringement of free speech"
 
2012-10-21 12:12:45 PM  
As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.
 
2012-10-21 12:16:29 PM  
The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.
 
2012-10-21 12:24:03 PM  

Mugato: As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.


It is pretty sad when the Fark Politics tab is the LEAST troll-infested place on the internet.

/if you really want to get in the kitty smacking mood, take a look at Barack Obama's Facebook page
 
2012-10-21 12:30:43 PM  
Surprised he just didn't deduct from their paychecks.
 
2012-10-21 12:30:50 PM  
All of this shiat is what happens in an atmosphere where an irrational hatred and caricaturisation of your opponent is strategically engineered. Any...and I mean ANY...means by which you defeat the straw man you've manufactured is justified. To these people, the imaginary all-powerful, Voldemort-like specter that is OBAMA!!!!1111111OMGSOSHILIZM!!!1111 must be defeated at all costs.

I don't want to overstate, but I'm actually concerned about what some of these pin-headed zealots might do when Obama wins.
 
2012-10-21 12:39:25 PM  
The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.
 
2012-10-21 12:39:50 PM  
The thing of this, too, is that unlike the vote, since campaign contributions are reported, you really can check to see if your employees did as you asked. This is some scary shiat, and the FEC should be all over anyone who pulls this shiat.
 
2012-10-21 12:44:20 PM  

SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.



I doubt its illegal.  Its a private company (by private I mean not part of the government or tied to any campaign).  They call on their employees to do whatever they want.
 
The illegal part would be punishing/firing them for not contributing.
 
Its skeevy by all means.  And I'm not a lawyer and all that, so maybe someone could show me where I'm wrong.  But it seems legal to me.
 
2012-10-21 12:45:21 PM  

jake_lex: The thing of this, too, is that unlike the vote, since campaign contributions are reported, you really can check to see if your employees did as you asked. This is some scary shiat, and the FEC should be all over anyone who pulls this shiat.


They can also check to see who donated to the opponent.
 
2012-10-21 12:46:38 PM  

Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.



I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.
 
2012-10-21 12:48:09 PM  

dustman81: jake_lex: The thing of this, too, is that unlike the vote, since campaign contributions are reported, you really can check to see if your employees did as you asked. This is some scary shiat, and the FEC should be all over anyone who pulls this shiat.

They can also check to see who donated to the opponent.



Is it not anonymous under a certain amount?  Serious question, thought it was.  Now... I'm sure you get a reciept, and therefore someone could force you to show you donated and all that.  But can I look up every $5 donation to Romney or Obama?
 
2012-10-21 12:53:04 PM  

downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.


Depends on state law. Here in Wisconsin it's illegal to show a completed ballot to anyone.
 
2012-10-21 12:56:01 PM  

downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.


Worked as an election judge for the '08 and '10 elections. Having recording devices in a place of voting is illegal in general. Voters could have their cell phones with them, but they had to be either off or completely put away. And judges were absolutely forbidden to have anything of a technological nature, short of a digital watch, on them while out on the floor.
 
2012-10-21 01:23:10 PM  

Codenamechaz: downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.

Worked as an election judge for the '08 and '10 elections. Having recording devices in a place of voting is illegal in general. Voters could have their cell phones with them, but they had to be either off or completely put away. And judges were absolutely forbidden to have anything of a technological nature, short of a digital watch, on them while out on the floor.



Voter intimidation in general is illegal, the legality of recording your ballot is irrelevant at that point. The point being that now more than ever it's easier to make sure the person votes the way you want them to vote.
 
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2012-10-21 01:24:43 PM  

raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

/I'm glad I work for a nonprofit.


It is illegal, although it's fairly common.

SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.


I have heard of people being prosecuted for this. Often it is "bundlers" trying to get around campaign contribution limits by making their employees donate, often by reimbursing them for the "contribution".
 
2012-10-21 01:26:21 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: FTA: "We need to elect a fiscally conservative President and Vice-President and stop this ridiculous government spending"


Except government spending in the form of military spending. Let's crank that up a notch.

And, of course, some stimulus money, like Ryan asked for is, okey dokey.
 
2012-10-21 01:26:24 PM  

Mugato: Codenamechaz: downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.

Worked as an election judge for the '08 and '10 elections. Having recording devices in a place of voting is illegal in general. Voters could have their cell phones with them, but they had to be either off or completely put away. And judges were absolutely forbidden to have anything of a technological nature, short of a digital watch, on them while out on the floor.


Voter intimidation in general is illegal, the legality of recording your ballot is irrelevant at that point. The point being that now more than ever it's easier to make sure the person votes the way you want them to vote.


There's plenty of other ways to intimidate a voter without recording their voting choice.

The Tea Party down in Texas has been "training" republican election judges to question the identity of "suspected illegals" and to utilize challenges to a person's legitimacy to vote to force them to vote provisional.
 
2012-10-21 01:28:02 PM  
Old and busted: this meme
New hotness: any meme since 2010
 
2012-10-21 01:37:35 PM  
it's all over for you libs, Romney has put up a detailed site that goes through every single point of his tax plan with 5 sources per and it is amazing and will save this country Romney's tax plan
 
2012-10-21 01:38:50 PM  
So where are the usual suspects whining about union dues being used to support the "Democrat party"?
 
2012-10-21 01:38:56 PM  
Do you want to be owned like this, America? Are you so obsessed with money that you'll give up your dignity for the 1%? Because that's how it looks to me.
 
2012-10-21 01:41:37 PM  
Waiting for the Shills to come defend this.
 
2012-10-21 01:43:19 PM  
It gets better. Arthur Allen also asked his employees to defer their compensation until December to help the company meet a $15 million interest payment. That was after urging them to donate $2500 to Romney. Link

This guy's a farking imbecile. You cannot expect emails like these to stay out of the news. Who's going to buy enterprise software from a firm that has to borrow from its employees?
 
2012-10-21 01:46:12 PM  

DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.


WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!
 
2012-10-21 01:46:15 PM  

Raharu: Waiting for the Shills to come defend this.


Crystal clear example of freederp of speech.
 
2012-10-21 01:46:45 PM  

DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.


Then those that are offended should have no problem finding another job. The free market solves all.

Also


How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?
 
2012-10-21 01:48:07 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: This guy's a farking imbecile. You cannot expect emails like these to stay out of the news. Who's going to buy enterprise software from a firm that has to borrow from its employees?


Have you seen the news recently? Pretty safe bet this won't be talked about on TV, where most Americans unfortunately still get their news.
 
2012-10-21 01:53:54 PM  

Howie Spankowitz: I don't want to overstate, but I'm actually concerned about what some of these pin-headed zealots might do when Obama wins.


Eh, we were worried about the same thing back in 2008. It turns out that all the spitting hatred from shaved-head "Real Americans" was a whole lot of bark and no bite.
 
2012-10-21 01:56:17 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!



I have the same problem with how engineering is apparently a great, exploding job field. I wonder if Delaware or something has started funding new civil projects or something.
 
2012-10-21 01:57:27 PM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?


I don't know how people can be so certain about that when the polls seem to prove the contrary.
 
2012-10-21 01:58:30 PM  

Free_Chilly_Willy:

How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?


Political donations from Unions do not come from their general "dues"
 
2012-10-21 02:01:32 PM  
Seriously, if Obama were as bad of a president as Republicans say he is, why would they have to lie to, blackmail, and disenfranchise people to get them to donate to and vote for Romney? Why couldn't they just tell the truth and let that be enough motivation? What are they really afraid of?
 
2012-10-21 02:02:39 PM  

Free_Chilly_Willy: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

Then those that are offended should have no problem finding another job. The free market solves all.

Also


How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?


The way it sounds like this company is being run (having the CEO ask employees not to be paid until December to make a $15 million interest payment), whoever is still working (which I don't know why they would still be there) won't be there much longer after they go bust.

It's not the President who is killing his business, it's his own dumbass.
 
2012-10-21 02:03:28 PM  

Serious Black: Seriously, if Obama were as bad of a president as Republicans say he is, why would they have to lie to, blackmail, and disenfranchise people to get them to donate to and vote for Romney? Why couldn't they just tell the truth and let that be enough motivation? What are they really afraid of?


Reality, as usual? Even if President Fartbutt is as bad as they say, they can't well be honest, and stand up and say that they want to double down on everything bad and break everything even remotely good.
 
2012-10-21 02:03:48 PM  

phansen: Free_Chilly_Willy:

How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?

Political donations from Unions do not come from their general "dues"


In fact, they now have to come from people explicitly consenting to their money being used for political purposes thanks to Knox v. SEIU. I'm waiting for the inevitable court case where somebody biatches about the money used to buy their shares in a company being used for political purposes against their will. The Supreme Court will tie themselves in a Gordian knot to let corporations do what unions can't.
 
2012-10-21 02:05:45 PM  
talkingpointsmemo.com
Give me your money. Now.

i1136.photobucket.com
I'm swelling, I'm swelling.
 
2012-10-21 02:10:47 PM  
What kind of an asshole must this guy be to work for. MY boss is a diehard republican. He spouts off about Obama birth certificate, shows crappy youtube videos about "how the n****r still failed", says how Obamacare is going to drive him out of business (he's got 12 employees, so it doesn't even apply to him), and every other day he's biatching about how "the kenyan asshole" personally changed our local building codes to fark him over when he tried to build a new shop without a permit. The only talking point he doesn't repeat is the 'no new hiring until Obama is out of office' line.

And even HE wouldn't be brave enough to send out an email asking people to pony up $2500 for Romney because he knows he'd get laughed out of his own shop.
 
2012-10-21 02:14:44 PM  
Thanks, Citizens United!

/and fark you, Supreme Court!
 
2012-10-21 02:19:58 PM  

UltimaCS: Howie Spankowitz: I don't want to overstate, but I'm actually concerned about what some of these pin-headed zealots might do when Obama wins.

Eh, we were worried about the same thing back in 2008. It turns out that all the spitting hatred from shaved-head "Real Americans" was a whole lot of bark and no bite.


I'm more or less setting my concern dial to moderate for whomever wins, as the past few days have more or less told me that because it's a close election, this simply means that one of the parties stole it.

Or if your party wins, then the other party tried, but couldn't manage to steal it.
 
2012-10-21 02:22:13 PM  
i2.kym-cdn.com
"Corporations are people, my friend!"
 
2012-10-21 02:22:53 PM  

SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.


Nope. Not illegal at all, thanks to Citizens United.
 
2012-10-21 02:25:24 PM  

falcon176: it's all over for you libs, Romney has put up a detailed site that goes through every single point of his tax plan with 5 sources per and it is amazing and will save this country Romney's tax plan


OK. That was funny.

Well done, website designer!
 
2012-10-21 02:37:49 PM  

Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


The bigger issue is that because campaign donations are a matter of public record, your employer can actually look you up and see if you made the donation to that candidate he suggested...or to the other guy.
 
2012-10-21 02:39:26 PM  
If only there was some way to "organize" employees..............then they could just withhold from their paychecks and force them to contribute.

Good idea? Who's with me?
 
2012-10-21 02:42:53 PM  
This has been going on for a long time. When I was a consultant at one of the ten largest companies in the US, there were constant emails sent out to employees telling them to contact lawmakers on all kinds of issues that that the company felt were important. They also pressured employees to donate to the company's PAC. I was in one meeting where the department manager made clear that upper management kept track of what percentage of employees in each department donated and used that as part of their decision making when deciding on eliminating departments. Being a consultant, none of it applied to me but the employees sure took it seriously.
 
2012-10-21 02:49:49 PM  
And my Republican friends roll their eyes when I use the term "company store" to describe their party's labor policy. If you think we're too enlightened nowadays to go back to the time of Pinkertons and dynamite-throwers, you've got another thing coming.
 
2012-10-21 02:50:17 PM  

Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


You've just blown my mind....
 
2012-10-21 02:59:26 PM  
Newer hotness: Citizens united, not paying employees living wages and then directly donating to super PACs
 
2012-10-21 03:00:15 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Honestly, in the database field, where I specialize, companies can't find competent DBAs. My consulting business is overwhelmed because my clients can't find qualified people. It's true in all areas of IT. If you have any personal motivation and skill (and aren't focused on spending 8 hrs/day on Fark) there are lots of companies all over the country looking for you. Half my clients are even in my local area. I log on via VPN from my spare bedroom, which is now my office. If you're willing to build your brand you're guaranteed a solid meal ticket. If you want to stare at DWTS every waking hour, your mileage may vary.
 
2012-10-21 03:04:45 PM  
With all of these thinly veiled threats of "Vote/donate to Romney or else" extortion has become the new black.

Again, I wonder how much these CEOs who are crying poor actually make. Where's Anonymous when you actually need them?
 
2012-10-21 03:08:14 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Integration. Everybody is outsourscing back office functions. If you can tie a company's internals to software-as-service and cloud services, you're a hot commodity. I haven't had a resume searchable out there for a year, and I get three to five emails a week from recruiters.
Fortunately, I really like my current employer, so somebody else can have those gigs.
 
2012-10-21 03:17:21 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: /if you really want to get in the kitty smacking mood, take a look at Barack Obama's Facebook page


i hate you.
 
2012-10-21 03:19:42 PM  

jake_lex: The thing of this, too, is that unlike the vote, since campaign contributions are reported, you really can check to see if your employees did as you asked. This is some scary shiat, and the FEC should be all over anyone who pulls this shiat.


On Moyers this week he reported that lawyers are currently arguing the Citizens United decision gave business owners the right to direct employees to campaign for the company sponsored candidate. The employee would be obligated to obey whether they support the candidate or not, and depending on the position it's not obvious to me they'd necessarily be paid. Managers, for example, regularly aren't paid for overtime.

/chopping at those roots of freedom to find a buck
 
2012-10-21 03:23:06 PM  
Oddly enough, back during the Bush administration I worked at a place that passed the hat (complete with recommendations for various levels) for a company PAC. Judging from the company (Defense contractor with strong ties to Pennsylvania manufacturing), my money would have gone to Santorum and Bush. Judging by the way later layoffs went (appeared strictly by job title/rank: the official pecking order matched the engineering side pretty well, but you could tell that some good technicians got screwed and a hapless one was kept) engineering at least wasn't looking at contributions.

Enron was legendary for this, and I am absolutely sure you would suddenly lose your "at will" job if you didn't cough up the expected amount every time they asked.
 
2012-10-21 03:32:04 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


If you're a network engineer with an expert-level (10 yrs) security/Internet presence background, knowledge of the media/entertainment business and strength in either wireless (BYOD), IP telephony or both - well, we're interviewing out here in Hollyweird.

It's been slim pickings.
 
2012-10-21 03:37:01 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Indiana for one. We have doubled in size in the last year and can't hire fast enough.
 
2012-10-21 03:54:36 PM  

Curious: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: /if you really want to get in the kitty smacking mood, take a look at Barack Obama's Facebook page

i hate you.


Sorry. At least many of the anti-Obama people in there are openly racist rather than trying to hide it.
 
2012-10-21 04:04:43 PM  
Happened to my husband. When he told me this I said No. Farking. Way. I don't care how many brownie points it would be worth.
 
2012-10-21 04:14:27 PM  

DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.


It's a mainframe management, monitoring, and mainframe-desktop integration company. Candle Corporation had that market sewed up years ago before IBM bought them. That IBM bought Candle Corporation and not ASG speaks volumes about ASG's software, software niche, and their approach to the business.

In short, a conservative software company running against IBM in IBM's back yard fairs poorly when capital expenditures (read, mainframe sales and services) are down. Film at 11.

/ blame someone else for your failings
// it's the executive, GOP way
 
2012-10-21 04:15:16 PM  

Serious Black: phansen: Free_Chilly_Willy:

How is this any different from unions giving "dues" to support the soon to be elected out of office president?

Political donations from Unions do not come from their general "dues"

In fact, they now have to come from people explicitly consenting to their money being used for political purposes thanks to Knox v. SEIU. I'm waiting for the inevitable court case where somebody biatches about the money used to buy their shares in a company being used for political purposes against their will. The Supreme Court will tie themselves in a Gordian knot to let corporations do what unions can't.


It seems odd that publicly listed companies can even contribute to politicians, as they are legally obliged to be run for the benefit of their shareholders, so any wasting of money could be criminal - you can argue that a company gets more goodwill and longterm profits by giving away to charity, for example, but when they give money to politicians it should be illegal either way - either they are bribing a politician expecting to get more value back than how much they are spending, or they are wasting shareholder money on their own private interests.
 
2012-10-21 04:20:43 PM  
Is it just me, or if you take out the location and names of news stories, these stories could be replaced with any third world or unstable country?

No one would blink an eye if this was North Korea knowing they support the great party or else. America's not there yet, and that's a good thing. But why on earth are you racing there?
 
2012-10-21 04:22:10 PM  
BTW here's a longer and better story. He not only told employees to donate, he's now asking if they would defer their pay until December so the company can make an interest payment. And he's flying around on the companies Guflstream jet...
 
2012-10-21 04:23:29 PM  
Thank you, all of you: DeadlockVictim, MisterRonbo, Erik_Emune, and GardenWeasel. It was wonderful to finally get an answer!
 
2012-10-21 04:31:39 PM  

WhyteRaven74: BTW here's a longer and better story. He not only told employees to donate, he's now asking if they would defer their pay until December so the company can make an interest payment. And he's flying around on the companies Guflstream jet...


He asks his employees not to be paid until December because his company can't scrounge $15 million for an interest payment and has them on 4 day workweeks, but flies around in a $50 million private jet, along with the expense of a pilot, co-pilot, storage fees, maintenance and fueling costs, shows me why the company has financial issues.
 
2012-10-21 04:58:27 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Mugato: As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.

It is pretty sad when the Fark Politics tab is the LEAST troll-infested place on the internet.

/if you really want to get in the kitty smacking mood, take a look at Barack Obama's Facebook page


I'll bet he loves that facebook page. There's no way he can paint his opposition in such a disgusting light as they willingly do for him.
 
2012-10-21 04:59:12 PM  
Incoming firing of people who violated some random rule at work who just happened to not donate to Romney.
 
2012-10-21 05:03:28 PM  

Don't Troll Me Bro!: Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: Mugato: As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.

It is pretty sad when the Fark Politics tab is the LEAST troll-infested place on the internet.

/if you really want to get in the kitty smacking mood, take a look at Barack Obama's Facebook page

I'll bet he loves that facebook page. There's no way he can paint his opposition in such a disgusting light as they willingly do for him.


Exactly. I was going to vote regardless, but now when Obama wins again I can smile and imagine everyone of those disgusting motherfarkers heads exploding in impotent tears of rage
 
2012-10-21 05:07:43 PM  

falcon176: it's all over for you libs, Romney has put up a detailed site that goes through every single point of his tax plan with 5 sources per and it is amazing and will save this country Romney's tax plan


Heh! That was awesome.

I'd love to buy the site designer a drink.
 
2012-10-21 05:27:16 PM  
Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."
 
2012-10-21 05:38:53 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


Globally, paying eastern euros a quarter of what a first worlder would expect? or paying asians a tenth? (shrug)
 
2012-10-21 06:14:34 PM  

randomjsa: Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."


Your confusion is spectacular.
 
2012-10-21 06:21:46 PM  

randomjsa: Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."


^THIS.
 
2012-10-21 06:24:52 PM  
randomjsa (farkied: "Holy fnck you're an idiot." - Nina_Hartley's_Ass): Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."

This sort of shenanigans is a prime example of why we *need* unions.
 
2012-10-21 06:38:14 PM  

Mugato: As usual, the comments in TFA make me want to punch a kitten. It doesn't matter what the source, the comments in TFA are always worse than almost anything seen here.


And that's why I hang out at Fark. We have some idiots - and I'm probably one of them - but on the whole the conversation stays on the plane of sanity.

Ever tried to have a discussion at your local newspapers' site? I don't care if you live in the most "enlightened" city in America, the comments section is going to full of retards. And I don't mean retarded because I disagree with them - I mean retarded.

/Yahoo News comments make baby Jesus cry
 
2012-10-21 07:21:36 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


It's exploding in the cloud.
 
2012-10-21 07:25:57 PM  

cchris_39: randomjsa: Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."

^THIS.


You misspelled "DERP".
 
2012-10-21 07:30:05 PM  
Yet again, if my boss told me that I had to donate to a political candidate to save my job, I'd go Johnny Paycheck on their ass.

Unfortunately, yet again, too many people don't get that they're not saving their jobs by kowtowing. If your boss won't be loyal to you, you are under no obligation to be loyal to them. Not even for a paycheck.
 
2012-10-21 07:33:45 PM  

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers: FTA: "We need to elect a fiscally conservative President and Vice-President and stop this ridiculous government spending"

Inigomontoya.jpg


Yeah. You give us candidates that are actually fiscally conservative, and we'll vote for them...as long as they're not connected to that Christian crap.

Hell, Barack Obama is more "fiscally conservative" than any Republican President since Nixon. So was Clinton. I guarantee you that had McCain won, the debt wouldn't have doubled under his watch. That's right; it would have tripled at the very least.
 
2012-10-21 07:43:33 PM  
Hell, I work for Republican Mormons and not even they would do something like this.
 
2012-10-21 08:02:14 PM  
isn't extortion a felony
 
2012-10-21 09:15:33 PM  

Erik_Emune: Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!

If you're a network engineer with an expert-level (10 yrs) security/Internet presence background, knowledge of the media/entertainment business and strength in either wireless (BYOD), IP telephony or both - well, we're interviewing out here in Hollyweird.

It's been slim pickings.


Yeah, I can't imagine that cross-section is very large.
 
2012-10-21 11:12:18 PM  
"ASG, like many companies, is still struggling, even after 4 years. You probably heard that we tripped a bank leverage covenant on June 30th, and now must go through yet another round of unfavorable treatment by our lenders. Many of our domestic employees are still on the 4 day work week. Many of our customers are waiting until they see the results of the election before beginning to invest again. We need to elect a fiscally conservative President and Vice-President and stop this ridiculous government spending. I believe that Romney and Ryan can put us back on the path to sanity, but even then it is not going to be painless for our country and ASG."

PARTY OF PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
 
2012-10-21 11:31:29 PM  

Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!


What do you do? Were are you and are you willing to relocate?
 
2012-10-22 12:04:19 AM  

Erik_Emune: Aidan: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

WHERE. WHERE is it exploding? I keep hearing this on Fark and no one says in what state or what specialty!

If you're a network engineer with an expert-level (10 yrs) security/Internet presence background, knowledge of the media/entertainment business and strength in either wireless (BYOD), IP telephony or both - well, we're interviewing out here in Hollyweird.

It's been slim pickings.


Can you say "purple unicorn"? Here's a hint: maybe, just maybe you're having such a difficult time finding these people is that from just the little you've listed here in your post the requirements and qualifications seem to be so esoteric that only a few people on the planet will already have them, and those that do already have jobs.

If you did find someone with all the stuff you listed, they will probably be hugely expensive to hire and keep, and would break as soon as someone else waved more money at them. I know I would, because for any company stupid enough to pay me what I want for what I've got there's another one even more stupid. I would have no loyalty whatsoever. Milk it and move on.

I know... find someone from within the company that already knows about 80 to 90 percent of what this job requires, and train them to do the rest? Maybe slack off on the experience requirement for those people who have the rest of the requirements? There are ways around all that which would make it so much easier to get what is needed...

That is what is wrong with too many employers these days. They will put a job up which requires you to drive a 2012 Chevrolet Camaro... but only if you have experience driving a red Camaro, with gray and black interior, and only with the 6.2l engine, not the 3.6l. And only the ones with the stripes on the hood. And no convertibles.

I know employers can be (and are) picky with all the people pounding the pavement, but if they really want to hire people they have to let that go and start training people and promoting from within again, like they did in the old days (10 years ago). Thinking long-term that way will benefit your company a lot more than trying to find that purple unicorn superstar who will, in the boss's wet dreams, "hit the ground running". That person does not exist without either being hugely expensive, or being created from what is available now.
Creating is cheaper.
 
2012-10-22 08:07:51 AM  
Imagine the clucking, flapping, pecking, feathers-flying madhouse at Faux News if it were a Democrat doing this.
 
2012-10-22 08:23:10 AM  

vpb: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

/I'm glad I work for a nonprofit.

It is illegal, although it's fairly common.SilentStrider: raerae1980: I'm guessing this isn't illegal? Seems like it should be.

Oh it probably is.
But good luck arresting anyone or bringing up any criminal charges for it.

I have heard of people being prosecuted for this. Often it is "bundlers" trying to get around campaign contribution limits by making their employees donate, often by reimbursing them for the "contribution".


A Conservative MP from Ontario is being investigated because one of his cousins did exactly this, reimbursing employees plus fifty dollars for making contributions to his re-election campaign.

Nothing will happen, most likely, but when photos of cheques from the cousin's business for the amounts alleged start popping up (which they have), it looks really skeevy.
 
2012-10-22 08:29:26 AM  

neenerist: jake_lex: The thing of this, too, is that unlike the vote, since campaign contributions are reported, you really can check to see if your employees did as you asked. This is some scary shiat, and the FEC should be all over anyone who pulls this shiat.

On Moyers this week he reported that lawyers are currently arguing the Citizens United decision gave business owners the right to direct employees to campaign for the company sponsored candidate. The employee would be obligated to obey whether they support the candidate or not, and depending on the position it's not obvious to me they'd necessarily be paid. Managers, for example, regularly aren't paid for overtime.

/chopping at those roots of freedom to find a buck


So, plutocracy.
 
2012-10-22 08:32:06 AM  

GitOffaMyLawn: DeadlockVictim: The IT industry is exploding right now. If his software company is struggling it's because he's incompetent and he should be losing money.

It's a mainframe management, monitoring, and mainframe-desktop integration company. Candle Corporation had that market sewed up years ago before IBM bought them. That IBM bought Candle Corporation and not ASG speaks volumes about ASG's software, software niche, and their approach to the business.

In short, a conservative software company running against IBM in IBM's back yard fairs poorly when capital expenditures (read, mainframe sales and services) are down. Film at 11.

/ blame someone else for your failings
// it's the executive, GOP way


Party of Personal Responsibility - blame the bank you defaulted to, blame the blah guy, blame the employees who don't clap harder and donate more to the rich guy, blame blame blame...
 
2012-10-22 08:33:58 AM  

logistic: Jesus. farking. Christ.


Christ would do as his Owner, i mean Employer, 'asked' of him. its called Freedom.
 
2012-10-22 08:38:15 AM  

Bontesla: logistic: Jesus. farking. Christ.

This!


This!
 
2012-10-22 08:39:12 AM  

doyner: Clearly the answer is to crack down on unions.



yea, Unions are the enemy. Crooked Companies doing as they damn well please is good for America.
 
2012-10-22 08:40:13 AM  

ArkAngel: downstairs: Mugato: The idea of voter intimidation used to seem kind of silly since someone can swear up and down that he'll vote one way and do whatever he wants to when he actually gets in the voting booth but now that everyone has their own portable video camera, it's suddenly a lot easier to make someone prove that they voted for who they say they did.


I'm pretty sure its illegal to take a photo inside a voting booth.  Lots of people were proud to vote for our first African American president 4 years ago, and took photos of their ballots.  While I'm sure the feds weren't knocking on anyone's doors... I distinctly remember it being mentioned as illegal.

Depends on state law. Here in Wisconsin it's illegal to show a completed ballot to anyone.



good law. every state should have that one.
 
2012-10-22 08:41:30 AM  

randomjsa: Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."


You are correct in that unions, composed of employees and funded by involuntary employee contributions, contribute heavily toward political campaigns. However, this singular factor does not, in fact, equate unions and businesses. I can't speak on the ability of Unions to punish those who disagree w/ its choice of political candidate but I imagine it's severely limited. A business, however, could withhold raises, refuse promotions, or outright fire the individual for disagreeing. For this reason, the actions of the business are substantially more dangerous.
 
2012-10-22 08:42:36 AM  
the Balance of Power has shifted in America from the Citizens and their Government to Companies and their Owners (stockholders and company brass)


now you know why things are going down the shiatter. Obama is trying to stop the slide but so many Americans insist on being slaves in the Free Democratic Republic they were born in.


tisk tisk.
 
2012-10-22 08:44:24 AM  

Tomahawk513: randomjsa: Liberals: "Unbelievable! We're the only ones who are suppose to set up a system in which employees funnel money to our campaigns! We call them Unions."

You are correct in that unions, composed of employees and funded by involuntary employee contributions, contribute heavily toward political campaigns. However, this singular factor does not, in fact, equate unions and businesses. I can't speak on the ability of Unions to punish those who disagree w/ its choice of political candidate but I imagine it's severely limited. A business, however, could withhold raises, refuse promotions, or outright fire the individual for disagreeing. For this reason, the actions of the business are substantially more dangerous.



Unions are suppose to represent their members.

Companies represent their Owners (stockholders) and their brass (CEO, CFO, etc)

guess who's winning???
 
2012-10-22 08:45:24 AM  

charrigo: Happened to my husband. When he told me this I said No. Farking. Way. I don't care how many brownie points it would be worth.



tell your husband that that pain he feels in his arse is his company and its Owners.
 
2012-10-22 09:55:28 AM  
I just donated $35 to Obama. It's my first actual political donation ever. I did it to spite assholes like Mr. Allen and all these other farkers using soft force to pressure their employees to vote for Romney and/or donate to Romney.

If Obama is scaring all these farking plutocrats, he must be doing something right.
 
2012-10-22 03:17:19 PM  
I've CSB'd this before but two friends of mine were faced with this before (one was even told his first check donation wasn't big enough and to write another). Yes it's illegal, and yes they were not even close to subtlety threatened with sudden job loss if they failed to comply and/or made a stink out of it.
 
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