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(Christian Science Monitor)   Hipsters bring "youthful energy" to Detroit. When they finish moving in we can build a 50 foot containment wall around the city   (csmonitor.com) divider line 89
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2012-10-21 03:52:04 PM
www.pumpispumping.com
 
2012-10-21 03:52:12 PM

Barricaded Gunman: Aidan: Yeh sure Detroit's turning a corner again. I guess the path to success is a dodecahedron. I love Detroit, but I've read at least 2 of these kinds of stories per year for the last decade.

I agree with all of this except for the underlined part. Detroit is a festering suckhole of stupidity and a living monument to a lot of people who never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity. Anyone who thinks that this is going to change within our lifetimes is kidding themselves.


I suppose I could point out that Detroit is currently the home of two of the 3 north American car manufacturers, the largest software company in the world, the largest mortgage loan provider in the nation (I think largest), as well as a few other nice things. Its got a long way to go, but its not the mid 80s anymore.
 
2012-10-21 03:52:35 PM

bel4sucks: LOL almost nothing gets you grumpy old biatches blood all riled up like the word hipster.


they don't like "the blacks" either. this article delivers on both.
 
2012-10-21 03:59:31 PM

DrGunsforHands: Any chance that Grand Rapids will ever overtake Detroit? The amount of development in the city in the past decade has been absolutely staggering.


No.

Not because Detroit is the awesomes or anything, but because Detroit Metro is 40% of the state's population.
 
2012-10-21 04:02:22 PM

OscarTamerz: I for one applaud hipsters moving to Detroit. Short of marching them lockstep into a tree chipper I can't think of a more efficient way of ridding the earth of their douchebaggery. Better get some some fair trade carbon neutral locally produced 9 mms and kevlar ironic sweater vests brraaa. Oh yeah, let your next of kin know who has your last dental X-rays.


lohphat: bel4sucks: LOL almost nothing gets you grumpy old biatches blood all riled up like the word hipster marginally employable, ironic tatt and glasses and ugly sneaker wearing, beater bike riding, overgrown children.

FTFY


I can just imagine that one time, when you were a kid, when a horde of rampaging hipsters on bikes overran your neighborhood, stuffed you into a tight-fitting thrift store sweater-vest and forced your mom to drink a Pabst while you watched. Obviously the experience traumatized you for life and you haven't been able to mature past it and accept that other people like things you don't like.

/really doesn't get the deep-seated anti-hipster rage some other "overgrown children" have. Yeesh.
 
2012-10-21 04:15:14 PM

jonny99: Just stopped by to say it's great that somebody else with 2 brain cells to rub together in this thread.


Thanks. Mayhaps this is the kind of discussion where rubbing one's brain cells together is considered an indecent act, a kind of public masturbation. To any I have offended in this way, of course, I say fark off.
 
2012-10-21 04:15:53 PM

Silly Jesus: [www.pumpispumping.com image 500x618]


WTF? Who would go out in public like that? Wearing a calculator watch? Yikes.
 
2012-10-21 04:16:57 PM
Detroit should start using eminent domain to seize property that has been abandoned and then give that property away to people who are willing to sign a contract saying that they will completely renovate said property. For property that the City cannot seize they should instead offer huge tax breaks to anyone willing to purchase property and renovate it. And if done correctly Detroit can lure in most of the hipsters from around the country!
 
2012-10-21 04:28:07 PM

meyerkev: DrGunsforHands: Any chance that Grand Rapids will ever overtake Detroit? The amount of development in the city in the past decade has been absolutely staggering.

No.

Not because Detroit is the awesomes or anything, but because Detroit Metro is 40% of the state's population.


Yeah. I mean, if you way over-extrapolate some near-outlier data, then sure, GR might take over in a century or so. But realistically, Detroit and GR are both capped. GR's economy is hilariously not-diverse, and its growth has been almost 100% hospitals lately. Detroit, on the other hand, actually has decent businesses, so there are places for people to work. The problem is that the people qualified to work at those places all have the sense to not live IN Detroit, so the city itself suffers while the 'burbs do really well.

Sooner or later though, economics will win. As gas gets more expensive, and Detroit land gets cheaper and more empty, people will start moving back. I think we're starting to see the very first stirrings of this, and hopefully it will become a bit of a trend.

So my point is that GR is capped on how big it can get unless the city's economy suddenly diversifies overnight, and Detroit is capped on how low it can go before it gets so cheap that it starts to compete favorably with China as a center for manufacturing.
 
2012-10-21 04:29:26 PM

Mock26: Detroit should start using eminent domain to seize property that has been abandoned and then give that property away to people who are willing to sign a contract saying that they will completely renovate said property. For property that the City cannot seize they should instead offer huge tax breaks to anyone willing to purchase property and renovate it. And if done correctly Detroit can lure in most of the hipsters from around the country!


They've already been doing some similar things to stimulate new manufacturing and/or agriculture.
 
2012-10-21 05:02:28 PM
Make sure to invite the ones from SF who are into gourmet grilled cheese before you wall them in.
 
2012-10-21 05:15:49 PM
I must be the only person on fark who doesn't have a problem with hipsters. They operate food trucks all over town here and the stuff they make is really tasty. They are youthful and have enough energy and money to fix up run down houses and condos. I run into hipster girls at knitting circles and they really take to it with a lot of enthusiasm and become quite good at it.

So, sorry. I'm just not finding room to work up a head of hate.

Carry on, then.
 
2012-10-21 05:23:28 PM

ruta: /really doesn't get the deep-seated anti-hipster rage some other "overgrown children" have. Yeesh.


It's not Fark, it's Hate.com
 
2012-10-21 05:28:14 PM
And that's the beauty of it; in the wintertime, the hipsters will simply freeze to death.
 
2012-10-21 06:01:50 PM
Hipsters and cities may be annoying but they are part of the natural world, like jungles and termites. In fact, if there were no hipsters, all of our cities would eventually die and the resources locked up in them would pile up like dead plant matter in bogs or forests. Nature solved this problem by using the natural burial of surplus carbon to control the atmosphere and oceans and thus maintain the cycle of life. Until Nature figured out how to make an organism that could eat the lignin in woody plants, they piled up and had to be buried as coal. The same is true of the tiny marine organisms and debris that sank to the bottom and formed petroleum and natural gas.

Being a bit of a jerry-builder and do-it-yourselfer, Nature left the invention of lignin-eating organisms a bit too long and enough carbon piled up to create a nearly fatal fever when some organism evolved that could consume coal, but fortunately that was only a geological eye-blink ago and this organism, man, will be gone in the same eye-blink. In the meantime, Nature has devised wonderful mechanisms to recycle the principle work of man, agriculural land and cities.

In the meantime, Nature invented many more organisms, such as ants and termites, to ensure the health, survival, and reproduction of forests and other machines for living.

One of the newest machines for living, the city, only recently acquired the ability to fully recycle its garbage. This organism is the hipster. Hipsters are Nature's newest take on the termite. Unlike termites which can only destroy wood, concrete and similar raw materials, the hipster can recycle entire cities, cultures and eco-systems.

This is a complex and some would say, beautiful, process, called gentrification. The hipster is a key element in the process. Without the hipsters, cities would die and the resources which were used to build them would be buried and lost to life.

The first stage of gentrification is when a neighbourhood goes completely out of fashion. The rich build and occupy almost all new housing. As they abandon old and decaying housing for bigger and better shells, their shells are occupied by the hermit crabs of humanity, the middle classes. These upper-middle classes move into the shells of the rich and find them "classic", "charming", "elegant", "exclusive", etc.

But time goes on and lower and lower classes of hermit crabs move in until the luxurious homes of the urban rich are turned into tenaments for the working classes and then the un-working classes of unemployed poor and welfare cases.

It is at this stage, when the beautiful old houses of the rich are a couple of centuries out of date, that the miracle of gentrification occurs. First artists and then crazies of all kinds move into a neighbourhood, making it unlivable for he respectable poor and working classes. They create little dive bars, weird little shops, art collectives, etc.

In the second stage of renovation, the hipsters spot the growing art colony and move in to exploit it by renovating old buildings and bringing a wave of hipster joints and tony boutiques, shops and flight-by-night art galleries, bespoke used clothing stores, and restaurants, bars and theatres. Like the termite, the hipster digests and excretes the art and avant-garde living and thinking of labourious ant-like artists and actors and so forh, and use their waste products ("hipness") to build a community that bohemians and rich leftists can happily colonize. Once again the upper middle classes and lower upper classes can call the wonderful old high-ceilings and other quaint but luxerious appointments of the neighbourhood "home".

Finally, so much new and old money move into the community that even the well-to-do hipsters and artists are driven out to colonize a new dump, and the area because outrageously expensive and tony.

Naturally, nobody likes this process. It is a jungle, rich and beautiful but uncomfortable and terrying. The bulk of the middle classes and upper classes never take part in the renewal process, preferring to thunder across the suburban or exurban plains in great braying herds, but without the hipster, the cities which we all hate so much would die and stop subsidizing our cushy conservative or liberal lifestyles by paying three times the property taxes of a suburban homeowner per square foot, and by providing as externalities, all the wonderful goods, services, luxeries and entertainment that is only created in great cities.

So quit your kvetching and learn to love the hipster, annoying SOBs that they are.
 
2012-10-21 06:08:59 PM

brantgoose: Hipsters and cities may be annoying but they are part of the natural world, like jungles and termites...


I think we've found Pocket Ninja's ALT.
 
2012-10-21 06:42:49 PM

Misconduc: Buddy of mine is in 8mile Detroit, only white guy on his neighborhood, he cracks he lives in the safest place because nobody will bother him at all, then again he is the ONLY white person in his area, so naturally they only shoot any other white person that comes around that area.



So.. WPSM?
 
2012-10-21 06:42:53 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Hipsters bring "youthful energy" to Detroit. When they finish moving in we can build a 50 foot containment wall around the city

shiat, it's spreading? I thought we stopped them at Chicago.
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So the Universal Bortherhood is run by hipsters? I KNEW IT.
 
2012-10-21 07:29:41 PM

styckx: JasonOfOrillia: Jeez Subby, I am irritated by hipsters alot too.

Remove Reddit from your bookmarks. Problem solved.


I have blood relatives who are hipsters. :( On the plus side their neighbourhoods have good beer too.
 
2012-10-21 07:37:28 PM

JasonOfOrillia: I have blood relatives who are hipsters.


Surely there must be some sort of support group for you
 
2012-10-21 07:46:02 PM

Contents Under Pressure: I must be the only person on fark who doesn't have a problem with hipsters. They operate food trucks all over town here and the stuff they make is really tasty. They are youthful and have enough energy and money to fix up run down houses and condos. I run into hipster girls at knitting circles and they really take to it with a lot of enthusiasm and become quite good at it.

So, sorry. I'm just not finding room to work up a head of hate.

Carry on, then.


I call bullshiat.

Everybody knows that hipsters don't work. They don't operate anything more complex than a fixed-gear bike, they don't make anything at all (they buy it, and usually at tacky shops that charge too much for ugly things), and they contribute nothing of their own to society. All they are is sponges that absorb kitsch, trust funds, and PBR.
 
2012-10-21 07:59:52 PM

ZeroCorpse: Contents Under Pressure: I must be the only person on fark who doesn't have a problem with hipsters. They operate food trucks all over town here and the stuff they make is really tasty. They are youthful and have enough energy and money to fix up run down houses and condos. I run into hipster girls at knitting circles and they really take to it with a lot of enthusiasm and become quite good at it.

So, sorry. I'm just not finding room to work up a head of hate.

Carry on, then.

I call bullshiat.

Everybody knows that hipsters don't work. They don't operate anything more complex than a fixed-gear bike, they don't make anything at all (they buy it, and usually at tacky shops that charge too much for ugly things), and they contribute nothing of their own to society. All they are is sponges that absorb kitsch, trust funds, and PBR.


I live in Portland and I approve of this post.
 
2012-10-21 08:04:19 PM

antron: JasonOfOrillia: I have blood relatives who are hipsters.

Surely there must be some sort of support group for you


I drink a lot.
 
2012-10-21 08:54:39 PM
ekdikeo4: I suppose I could point out that Detroit is currently the home of two of the 3 north American car manufacturers, the largest software company in the world, the largest mortgage loan provider in the nation (I think largest), as well as a few other nice things. Its got a long way to go, but its not the mid 80s anymore.

And yet it still manages to suck more ass than a starving vampire on a donkey farm.

Impressive, that.
 
2012-10-21 09:05:52 PM

Mock26: Detroit should start using eminent domain to seize property that has been abandoned and then give that property away to people who are willing to sign a contract saying that they will completely renovate said property. For property that the City cannot seize they should instead offer huge tax breaks to anyone willing to purchase property and renovate it. And if done correctly Detroit can lure in most of the hipsters from around the country!


No, because "white people".
 
2012-10-21 09:35:09 PM

bel4sucks: LOL almost nothing gets you grumpy old biatches blood all riled up like the word hipster.


+1 for most observant truthful post in thread.
 
2012-10-21 11:27:46 PM
lohphat
almost nothing gets you grumpy old biatches blood all riled up like the word marginally employable, ironic tatt and glasses and ugly sneaker wearing, beater bike riding, overgrown children.

That's fifteen words.
 
2012-10-22 12:26:08 AM

Misconduc: Buddy of mine is in 8mile Detroit, only white guy on his neighborhood, he cracks he lives in the safest place because nobody will bother him at all, then again he is the ONLY white person in his area, so naturally they only shoot any other white person that comes around that area.


I used to live in a bad neighborhood in a city that had one of the highest crime rates in the state for a little shy of a decade. My roommate and I were the only white guys in an otherwise all black apartment complex.

Crime was so bad you could not order a pizza. A chop shop was busted in a garage in my complex. Muggings were endemic and family refused to visit.

I was never once bothered by anyone, nor was my roommate. People assume white guys living among blacks in a bad neighborhood are able to take care of themselves, that or their 'all right'.
 
2012-10-22 01:09:36 AM
OK, but then the President's plane will go down in there, and we'll have to send in Snake Plisskin.
 
2012-10-22 02:10:43 AM
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"Is everybody in? Are you having a good time?"
 
2012-10-22 02:56:59 AM

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: After the fifty-foot wall is built, fill it up with water. Michigan needs lakes.


www.bestplaces.net

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2012-10-22 03:07:47 AM
Odd, I've never seen a hipster armed to the gills with assault weapons.
 
2012-10-22 06:43:52 AM

7FARK7: Odd, I've never seen a hipster armed to the gills with assault weapons.


Assault weapons are too popular.
 
2012-10-22 10:45:05 AM

Novart: 7FARK7: Odd, I've never seen a hipster armed to the gills with assault weapons.

Assault weapons are too popular.


You will see them with muskets though.
 
2012-10-22 02:18:46 PM

bel4sucks: LOL almost nothing gets you grumpy old biatches blood all riled up like the word hipster.


Silly oldsters, for Youth is omniscient, invincible and infallible.
 
2012-10-22 02:31:16 PM

ruta: really doesn't get the deep-seated anti-hipster rage some other "overgrown children" have. Yeesh.


Spoiled effete children of the rich with no taste who don't work, but who look down on the non-rich who do. Is that so opaque?
 
2012-10-22 03:21:29 PM
It would be interesting to see the dynamics of scale as applied to this. I mean, how many hipsters are actually moving to Detroit? I've been reading articles about it for at least the last five or six years, at least a few before the financial meltdown, and I'm wondering how much of an urban factor they actually are.

Looking at wikipedia shows that the city population at its height in 1950 was about 1.85 million people out of 3.7 million in the region. Since that time, you had suburban migration that pumped up the regional number to about 5.2-5.3 million (relatively steady since 1970) while the city has steadily declined to the 700,000 or so remaining now.

So from that angle, it looks as if the people who are leaving Detroit are definitely leaving the city. They might just be moving to the 'burbs, or they might be heading out entirely, but the population decreases of the last 40 years are definitely having more of an impact on the urban population than on the suburban.

If all of these hipsters are moving to the city (as opposed to the suburbs) how much of an impact can they actually be having? Certainly not enough of an impact to offset the urban population decline - if you just look at the period from 2000-2010, the city lost (roughly) 150,000 people.

Now, the other part of this is the perception of Detroit as a community. Reporting over the years has highlighted Detroit's urban blight - the impression is that this is a community with acres of urban area filled with nothing but falling down houses and brownfield vacant lots, while scattered enclaves of hipsters and gangbangers set up little exclusion zones tailored to their particular lifestyles. But realistically, Detroit still has a higher urban population density than a hipster Mecca like Portland - an extra 100,000 people by population in roughly the same geographical area.

Let's take a quick look at a comparison to Portland, actually, because it's fairly instructive. In 1970, Portland just under 400,000 people, while Detroit had roughly 1.5 million. Since then, Portland has grown to not quite 600,000, while Detroit has shrunk to 700,000. Now, not everybody who has moved to Portland since 1970 is a hipster, but picking up an extra 200,000 people is quite enough to change the character of any city. In contrast, I don't think you'll find that Detroit has had anything approaching that level of migration during the same period, no matter how many people were fleeing Detroit. And considering that Portland is as big as its ever been, while Detroit is half the size it was at peak, there are naturally going to be underutilized areas of Detroit.

So the takeaway from all of this, I guess, is that Detroit is still too big and diverse for there to be any sort of impact made by a handful of hipsters over the last six or eight years. Even a cursory look at the facts shows that there's still too many people for a dramatic change to have occurred in Detroit because of any putative "hipster migration". Hell, you could drop the whole population of Williamsburg (about 125K) into Detroit and you still haven't changed the demographics enough to really affect the overall condition of Detroit. Whether hipsters are actually moving to Detroit in large numbers or not, there won't be any change in the situation until there are enough of them to stabilize the population decline - and until the city adjusts to a smaller tax base.
 
2012-10-22 06:47:05 PM

carnifex2005: Novart: 7FARK7: Odd, I've never seen a hipster armed to the gills with assault weapons.

Assault weapons are too popular.

You will see them with muskets though.


Hipsters leave.

/I hated the new Robocop before you phoneys were even on the scene.
 
2012-10-22 09:12:10 PM
YouPeopleAreCrazy: Actually, this type of assholishness crosses party lines.

I know. I was just bein' a dick.
 
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