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(Yahoo)   Headline: "Mitt Romney takes lead in projected electoral vote count." From TFA: "Based on its method of pulling together disparate polls, RCP projects a 294-244 win for Obama." Yeah, about that liberal media   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 165
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2012-10-21 09:00:14 AM
Sooo... Romney leads in the electoral vote count so long as you don't include a bunch of states that are going to go to Obama?
 
2012-10-21 09:21:46 AM
And apparently only if you read the headline and not TFA.
 
2012-10-21 10:12:07 AM
The Republican war on math continues.
 
2012-10-21 10:13:24 AM
Dafuq?
 
2012-10-21 10:17:40 AM
Well, I believe what they are saying is RCP is now predicting that among the states that are supposedly safe, Romney now has an EV advantage for the first time since the real race started. Which is actually newsworthy. As long as you are trying to push the narrative that this is a close race. Which it really isn't.
 
2012-10-21 10:23:28 AM
"Of the 13 polls of swing states released on Thursday, Mr. Obama held leads in 11 of them."

-Nate Silver
 
2012-10-21 10:31:37 AM

Tor_Eckman: push the narrative that this is a close race


Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!
Exactly. Wouldn't want us to turn off our TVs, would they?
 
2012-10-21 10:37:36 AM
RCP is really desperate, aren't they? Really, at this point, other outfits should stop trying to figure this out and just redirect to 538.
 
2012-10-21 10:43:19 AM
I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.
 
2012-10-21 10:53:36 AM
Subby fails reading comprehension?
 
2012-10-21 11:03:28 AM

EnviroDude: Subby fails reading comprehension?


Oh, please explain. This ought to be good.
 
2012-10-21 11:05:57 AM

EnviroDude: Subby fails reading comprehension?


Umm, no. The headline states Romney has a lead in the projected electoral vote, but the article then makes it clear he doesn't. He does, according to RCP's method, have a lead in states that could be considered "safe" for one candidate or the other. But every projection, including the one TFA is about, has Obama winning most of the "battleground" states.

So, at best, the headline is sloppily written, and, at worst, is a cynical attempt to keep the narrative going that this race is closer than it is.
 
2012-10-21 11:19:13 AM

Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.


I don't remember them doing it either.
 
2012-10-21 11:30:18 AM

Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.


They couldn't in 2008. The Republicans had screwed things up so much that the Democrats could have ran an actual donkey as their candidate and it would have won.
 
2012-10-21 11:42:14 AM

Mentat: Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.

They couldn't in 2008. The Republicans had screwed things up so much that the Democrats could have ran an actual donkey as their candidate and it would have won.


That, and Obama was so popular that covering his lead actually made ratings sense. Now, a horse race draws viewers.
 
2012-10-21 11:43:58 AM
I can remember "it's a horserace" bullshiat from every national election.
What else would the pundits say? You can ignore us now?
The political parties also need to keep their constituents motivated up to election day.
 
2012-10-21 11:45:38 AM
Still.

Too.

Close.

As mentioned in another thread, I fear that I'm going to spend these last two weeks just screaming "How the fark are you so POPULAR!?" at my computer. Unless I woke up in an alternate universe where Americans suddenly like sending their sons and daughters off to die in multiple Middle East wars while being blatantly owned by the 1% at home.
 
2012-10-21 11:45:52 AM

cpw49684: Tor_Eckman: push the narrative that this is a close race

Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!
Exactly. Wouldn't want us to turn off our TVs, would they?


One of the morning "news" show crapfests led with this story, like 207 ev wins. I think it was the ABC show with the short guy. Gotta keep people watching!!!
 
2012-10-21 11:46:10 AM

Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.


I think because the novelty of the potential for the first black president outweighed other narratives.
 
2012-10-21 11:47:41 AM

cameroncrazy1984: "Of the 13 polls of swing states released on Thursday, Mr. Obama held leads in 11 of them."

-Nate Silver


Too many words!

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-10-21 11:49:03 AM

Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.


In 2008, Obama had Wall St behind them, as he'd promised to bail out their asses

This time, they're backing Romney, as Obama has made it clear he wants to regulate and tax their asses.

Wall St, the investment banks now drive corporate America, rather than the other way around, so it's in the corporate media's best interest to make Romney look salable.
 
2012-10-21 11:51:49 AM

Mentat: Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.

They couldn't in 2008. The Republicans had screwed things up so much that the Democrats could have ran an actual donkey as their candidate and it would have won.


I remember 2008 being relatively close, and McCain actually taking the lead in Nate Silver's prediction shortly after the Republican convention. It wasn't until the debates and the fiscal crisis that Obama's lead started to widen permanently.
 
2012-10-21 11:52:43 AM
2 farking weeks. We just have to survive 2 more farking weeks
 
2012-10-21 11:52:54 AM
By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center

What the hell is that?
 
2012-10-21 11:53:06 AM

The Great EZE: Still.

Too.

Close.

As mentioned in another thread, I fear that I'm going to spend these last two weeks just screaming "How the fark are you so POPULAR!?" at my computer. Unless I woke up in an alternate universe where Americans suddenly like sending their sons and daughters off to die in multiple Middle East wars while being blatantly owned by the 1% at home.


That's the way I feel. I realize that there's a certain fixed percentage that would vote for a Chupacabra if it had an (R) next to its name but that's where it should have ended. I can't believe it's as close as it is. It's truly scary.
 
2012-10-21 11:53:48 AM

EnviroDude: Subby fails reading comprehension?


Show your work.
 
2012-10-21 11:54:27 AM

Mrtraveler01: By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center

What the hell is that?


It's whatever they want it to be. And by "they", I mean their billionaire bosses who use the name as a smoke screen and peddle their pseudo-intellectual propoganda
 
2012-10-21 11:55:03 AM

Mrtraveler01: By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center

What the hell is that?


It's a museum here in Philadelphia, devoted to... The Consitution.

No idea what it's supposed to do; it's last major exhibit was on Bruce Springsteen.

/I think it was the brainchild/boondoggle of one of our Congressmen
 
2012-10-21 11:55:58 AM
It sounds like someone needs to take the Do you have Romnesia test.
 
2012-10-21 11:56:48 AM

Dwight_Yeast: Mrtraveler01: By Scott Bomboy | National Constitution Center

What the hell is that?

It's a museum here in Philadelphia, devoted to... The Consitution.

No idea what it's supposed to do; it's last major exhibit was on Bruce Springsteen.

/I think it was the brainchild/boondoggle of one of our Congressmen


So now museum workers have their own page on Yahoo News?

Personally, I won't rest until I find out what the sandwich maker at Wawa thinks about this.
 
2012-10-21 11:57:19 AM

qorkfiend: Mentat: Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race. It was not a close race at all and they didn't pull any shenannegans to convince us that it was. That I can remember anyway, I was sort of drunk that decade.

They couldn't in 2008. The Republicans had screwed things up so much that the Democrats could have ran an actual donkey as their candidate and it would have won.

I remember 2008 being relatively close, and McCain actually taking the lead in Nate Silver's prediction shortly after the Republican convention. It wasn't until the debates and the fiscal crisis that Obama's lead started to widen permanently.


RCP had Obama at +7.3 popular and +126 EVs on this day in 2008.

Hard to spin that.
 
2012-10-21 12:01:10 PM
I don't know if anyone has noticed, but yahoo news has gone really hard right lately. Not as far right as fox news, but far enough that I've noticed the same thing in a number of articles. Namely, that they're pushing a clearly one-sided view on the issues.
 
2012-10-21 12:02:51 PM
And some troll in here yelled at me the other day when I didn't think Yahoo News was "liberal"... I haven't seen a single pro-Obama story on Yahoo in weeks. Fox, CNN, Yahoo, and many others have been in Republican pockets for at least two years now. Even BBC News' North America coverage is swinging pretty far to the right these days.

Dwight_Yeast: In 2008, Obama had Wall St behind them, as he'd promised to bail out their asses

This time, they're backing Romney, as Obama has made it clear he wants to regulate and tax their asses.

Wall St, the investment banks now drive corporate America, rather than the other way around, so it's in the corporate media's best interest to make Romney look salable.


Which still doesn't make sense, when you look at how much growth every financial market experienced during the Clinton years as opposed to the Bush administration.

How could the people running the financial sector not understand the merits of long-term sustainable growth vs. short-term plundering? Increasing the wealth of the lower classes just a little will lead to greater and longer-lasting increases in their own wealth. As I've said in similar threads... I can squeeze more juice from a watermelon than I can from a raisin.

Wall Street should be doing everything in its collective power to keep Romney away from the White House, not move him closer to it. The only industries that would truly benefit from another Republican administration are defense and oil.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: So now museum workers have their own page on Yahoo News?


It appears to be an op-ed piece. When they publish such pieces, they often cite where the writer works.

Ah, I found it: it was published on the Constitution Center's blog two days ago:

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/10/mitt-romney-takes-lead-in- p rojected-electoral-vote-count/

They were supposed to be non-partisan when this thing was set up, so I've no idea what this means.
 
2012-10-21 12:03:52 PM

Notabunny: cameroncrazy1984: "Of the 13 polls of swing states released on Thursday, Mr. Obama held leads in 11 of them."

-Nate Silver

Too many words!

[img.photobucket.com image 326x800]


Your poll sucks. Every single person in my town of Morehead Kentucky is voting for Romney. If everybody in my town is voting for Romney than everybody else in America must be too. We are just that smart here. Derp. Huuuuurrrrrrrr.
 
2012-10-21 12:04:10 PM

Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race.


Romney is actual right wing elite, conservative meda would throw themselves in front of a bus for him
McCain was too liberal for them in 2000 and had no Bush family genes, he only had the advantage of not being a Kenyen Usurper in 2008..
 
2012-10-21 12:04:22 PM

Howie Spankowitz: The Republican war on math andreality continues.



This and FTFY
 
2012-10-21 12:05:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: EnviroDude: Subby fails reading comprehension?

Oh, please explain. This ought to be good.


Silly Farker, thinking he'll get a response from the EniviroPhil Troll.
 
2012-10-21 12:06:34 PM
So, according to RCP, if you take ten swing states out of the equation Romney leads Obama 206 to 201 in likely and solid voters but if you include the swing states Obama's still looking inevitable.

Meh, just another horse race narrative.

That noted, take nothing for granted. Vote. Encourage others to do the same.
 
2012-10-21 12:07:05 PM
This is unexpected? Of course they support the only socialist in the race!

Romney is an admitted socialist!

- Went to a socialist meeting in Boston in 2000
- Created Romneycare
- Likes Obamacare
- Receives campaign funds from communist China
- Hides from his patriotic duty by keeping his money in a tax shelter in Hong Kong
- Outsources jobs to China
- Said he likes the word socialism
- Owns stock in several communist Chinese companies
- Has a VP whose own brother is CEO of a Chinese company
- Took down the American flag at a plant where good, wholsesome, hardworking Real Americans were forced to train their communist Chinese replacements and then closed the American plant
- Forced workers to attend his rally without pay while threatening to fire them if they refused

Even Rush Limbaugh called him a socialist!

Romney: Investing in China's Future in America Today!
 
2012-10-21 12:08:06 PM
Complacency doesn't serve us liberals well. No, Romney's not winning, but this race IS tight after that disastrous first debate. Hopefully a strong Obama win tomorrow night will give a little cushion.
 
2012-10-21 12:08:52 PM

clkeagle: Which still doesn't make sense, when you look at how much growth every financial market experienced during the Clinton years as opposed to the Bush administration.

How could the people running the financial sector not understand the merits of long-term sustainable growth vs. short-term plundering? Increasing the wealth of the lower classes just a little will lead to greater and longer-lasting increases in their own wealth. As I've said in similar threads... I can squeeze more juice from a watermelon than I can from a raisin.


It's pretty simple: banking, especially investment banking used to be a VERY conservative business, run by older, sensible men. Once investment banks could trade their own stock and commercial banks were allowed to own investment houses, the young turks took over everything. The turnover is high and most traders working are only in it for what they can get out moment-to-moment to drive their bottom line and most have not lived through a recession other than the current one.

It is an extremely volatile situation and I'm expecting to see another major meltdown in the next eight years unless we pass serious regulation now.

What is really depressing to me is that the bulk of the current wealth inequality in this country, the shift of money into the hands of a very few has happened in my lifetime, in the last 30 years.
 
2012-10-21 12:09:51 PM

Tor_Eckman: As long as you are trying to push the narrative that this is a close race. Which it really isn't.


Why would you think this race isn't close?
 
2012-10-21 12:10:32 PM

Edsel: Complacency doesn't serve us liberals well. No, Romney's not winning, but this race IS tight after that disastrous first debate. Hopefully a strong Obama win tomorrow night will give a little cushion.


Next debate is on foreign policy only. If Obama doesn't crush it on that, I'm writing in Vermin Supreme.
 
2012-10-21 12:11:42 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Edsel: Complacency doesn't serve us liberals well. No, Romney's not winning, but this race IS tight after that disastrous first debate. Hopefully a strong Obama win tomorrow night will give a little cushion.

Next debate is on foreign policy only. If Obama doesn't crush it on that, I'm writing in Vermin Supreme.


Agreed. There's potential for Obama to wipe the floor with Romney. Hoping for a big win.
 
2012-10-21 12:12:28 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Tor_Eckman: As long as you are trying to push the narrative that this is a close race. Which it really isn't.

Why would you think this race isn't close?


Because the numbers say it's not. Not the polling data, but the actual numbers.

Romney hasn't been close to 270 at any point in this race, and Obama has never dipped below it.

There are a number of "swing" states in play, but they more or less cancel each other out. Obama only has to win a couple, but Romney has to win all of them to win.
 
2012-10-21 12:12:36 PM

Edsel: Dwight_Yeast: Edsel: Complacency doesn't serve us liberals well. No, Romney's not winning, but this race IS tight after that disastrous first debate. Hopefully a strong Obama win tomorrow night will give a little cushion.

Next debate is on foreign policy only. If Obama doesn't crush it on that, I'm writing in Vermin Supreme.

Agreed. There's potential for Obama to wipe the floor with Romney. Hoping for a big win.


Won't matter if the media calls it a tie again.
 
2012-10-21 12:13:11 PM

Kurmudgeon: Mugato: I don't remember the media pulling this kind of shiat with the '08 race.

Romney is actual right wing elite, conservative meda would throw themselves in front of a bus for him
McCain was too liberal for them in 2000 and had no Bush family genes, he only had the advantage of not being a Kenyen Usurper in 2008..


Let's ask Rush Limbaugh about Romney: "Remember when I hoped that he was a failure, hoped he would fail, and he hasn't. You know, depending on your perspective, Mitt, he hasn't failed, that's a problem. (interruption) Yeah, I know, some people say Romney's in over his hair here. I just don't understand the reluctance. The guy's a socialist."
 
2012-10-21 12:13:15 PM
You know, I'd really kill/love to see someone leak one of these media conglomerates internal emails/orders to push this narrative of "it's neck and neck we swear" crap.
 
2012-10-21 12:15:11 PM

Yankees Team Gynecologist: Tor_Eckman: As long as you are trying to push the narrative that this is a close race. Which it really isn't.

Why would you think this race isn't close?


See Silver's numbers posted above. Obama with an almost 70% chance to win and rising.

It's closer than I would like, but barring something really unusual happening Romney would need not one but several miracles to happen to actually pull it off.
 
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